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PRO WHITE? 10/03/2008 13:28
So then I suppose that you would also agree that Whites can hold Whites-Only-Imbizos to deal with Whites Only Issues and at the same time ban any other colour people from attending it? Somehow I doubt it! - Kobus Hattingh |
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Just ignore the RACIST Jon Qwelane 10/03/2008 13:30
Trying to justify his racism once again. As previously noted, the best we should all do is ignore this pathetic excuse of a South African. It's a pity I had to post this but hopefully it will remind everybody to stop replying to his columns. - J.O |
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More is the pity! 10/03/2008 13:30
Having grown up in a society where skin colour was never an issue, and bringing my children up in the same way, reading your column makes me very sad indeed! Blaming everything on the previous white regime is short sighted, and very narrow minded! Don't hide behind your journalist credentials, and use that as an escape route to hit out at what transpired! Use them as a tool to help the country move forward! - Neil |
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Proud to be a WHITE man 10/03/2008 13:31
Does pro black acceptance mean Pro white is also acceptable? Once again this pseudo journalist tries to justify his obvious biase.Interestingly enough, the fact that he is allowed to spout his deplorable rhetoric without censure is simply indicative of the society as a whole who choose to accept his mindless drivel - Sean |
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Grand stand 10/03/2008 13:31
Jon I don't need to convince myself that you are a bore with a penchant for self-pity. You love to generalise - "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency"- PLEASE!.
I am also quite looking forward to the amazing results and strategis the FBJ comes forward with regarding poverty, drug use, pregnancy etc etc!! Wow, and you have time to work as well!
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WHAT RUBBISH 10/03/2008 13:32
I am white,but I have probably spent more time in the squatter camps than you have. 5 days a week in fact, trying to improve the lives of the people so sorely neglected by government - so just because you are black does not give you any more insight than I have.What are you doing to improve their lot, other than shouting your mouth off hysterically and then going back to your castle in suburbia to "organise" a black forum cos you think you know more than anyone else. I to have lots of "aunts"! - jenny |
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Shame 10/03/2008 13:32
It's so sad to see a person like you abuse your position like this to air your stupid one-sided views. I used to get very annoyed with your columns but now I just feel sorry for you - shame, I think you need some help. - miesies |
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Congratulations JQ! 10/03/2008 13:33
I believe that black journalists need to reevaluate their role in formulating ideas as they pertain to identity. South africa's white media pretends to be the custodians of democracy in this country, when in fact the black man and indeed black journalists sacrificed heavily to bring democracy to this beautiful land. That opinion is not being aired at all. - Kabelo |
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pro black 10/03/2008 13:34
So I guess when we are pro white we are not anti black! - max |
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Pro-black vs racism 10/03/2008 13:34
14 years into democracy and we're still talking black and white. For some this is unthinkable, but it is a reality. Pretending or even wishing it wasn't so is like sticking one's head in the sand. A white's only gathering and a black's only gathering need not be a racist thing, if those gatherings are not about conjuring new ways to oppress one another. Keep the debate and maybe we will find each other and move forward! - Jairz |
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Stop commenting on Jon's articles 10/03/2008 13:35
The best way to show Jon what you think of him is to stop commenting on his articles and stop reading them as well. Let him have his "blacks-only imbizos" and black only column as well. - Me |
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Pro-black and pro-white? 10/03/2008 13:35
So, Mr. Qwelane, you won't label a meeting of 'whites only' under the rasicm label, as it is merely, according to your definition, 'PRO-white'??? - Karl |
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Come on News24.... 10/03/2008 13:36
... surely we have some better writing talent than old, bitter Jon? Can't you commission some talented young writers whose views are undoubtedly more important and progressive than these? - SJ |
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aish 10/03/2008 13:36
"We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted..."
Did you concoct that pearl of wisdom on the toilet this morning?
You are now saying that 7 of my white friends actually got addicted to baby powder and not drugs?
And that a further 3 of my white female friends under the age of 20 actually do not have kids under 3 years old? They sure look real to me ..
If I wrote what you wrote, but reversed the colours, it would be labeled as "Racist". - Richard W |
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Agreed 10/03/2008 13:37
I agree with Kobus, people like you are quick to defend your opinion, but if the shoe was on the other foot you will be equally quick to shout racism. Common! - JM |
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Kobus, are you illiterate... 10/03/2008 13:38
Did you not read the last two sentences?
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Good for one side only! 10/03/2008 13:38
Jon, sometimes your articles are great and then sometimes, they are pathetic.
I`m begining to think that you really enjoy getting the "Knee jerk reaction" as you call it and hence the reason you`re fishing for it again.
You need better bait!
As Kobus says, I doubt you would have no problems if whites held a Whites Only Imbiso - we all know you would point fingers and play the racial card.
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Pro-black and pro-white? 10/03/2008 13:39
So, Mr. Qwelane, you won't label a meeting of 'whites only' under the rasicm label, as it is merely, according to your definition, 'PRO-white'??? - Karl |
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Johm I hear you, BUT.. 10/03/2008 13:39
You make some valid points, but, as I said before: Excluding someone on the base of RACE, sex, religion, etc is EXPLICITLY unconstitutional, and thus ILLEGAL!! - Simple as that! People have died for liberation and this constitution, yet you are quite nonchalant in obeying only SOME parts of it! - Juan |
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"die baas en die miesies" 10/03/2008 13:40
Ha ha Jon, I thought words like that disappeared with Apartheid. Maybe you should become pro-South African, and forget about being pro-black! Pro-black in my eyes, means anti-white. What are you trying to hide? Once a racist, always a racist. On the death penalty, if anyone commits a crime where the death penalty is justified, hang the bastard. Does it matter whether the murdering, raping pig is black or white? Wake up. You are still living in the dark ages. - hjs |
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Oh really? 10/03/2008 13:41
"We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency"
A statement like this really proves to me how narrow-minded you really are ... - Jeff |
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JQ - ever heard of urbernisation 10/03/2008 13:42
The majority of black people live in squatter camps; those are our uncles and aunts, cousins, brothers and sisters. This sir is you so called cousins, brothers and sisters moving away from there local spots to come to the cities to look for work, what did the white's put your cousins, brothers and sisters in tin shanties - no you embicile, its called urbinization and they put themselves there. YOU RACIST - BOB |
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Do not read/reply 10/03/2008 13:43
Hey everyone,
STOP READING AND REPLYING TO JONS COLUMNS, from now on! - Denzil |
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Rising crime cause? 10/03/2008 13:43
The crime rate so high because criminals no longer fear breaking the law. We need to start making examples of those(IE: Death penalty) who break the law. When the criminals know that the innocent are willing to go the distance in order to ensure our safety, they'll start to think twice before they rob, rape, stab, shoot etc... - Ross |
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Racism ? 10/03/2008 13:43
Interesting take on things, and some fair reasoning. Perhaps instead of a knee-jerk reaction, some understanding/ empathy is required.
Of course you would feel the same way and not predjudiced in anyway if some "whites-only" forums and schools / universities and whatever were established. - Intrigued |
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Don't kid yourself John... 10/03/2008 13:43
You go on trying to convince yourself and others, but at the end of the day you prove just how much of a racist you really are. I don't care what anyone else says, only a fool would think otherwise. Your bitterness against white people is really saddening, & I pity your mindset. I just pray that the majority of the black population don't have perceptions as poisoned as yours. And what really highlights your bitterness is that you are not only hateful towards whites, but to your fellow "coconuts" - Martin |
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Twist and turn.. 10/03/2008 13:44
Does this mean it's now ok to kick out people at the meeting that are not the same race? You seem to have something against coconuts - are they pro-white? or do they just not agree with your warped logic in trying to re-introduce race-based groups? I thought if anybody can help with upliftment would be welcome to help and not subject to your confusing racist waffle. - Confused |
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That's it! 10/03/2008 13:44
Thanks Jon. Now I know that I'm also not a racist. I'm just "pro white" you are good for something afterall! - Terry |
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Jenny 10/03/2008 13:45
Just because YOU have spent five days a week trying to understand the struggles in squatter camps, it does not mean everybody else has.
You know, when I emigrate, it won't be because of the "Swart Gevaar." It will be because of ignorant dumbass white people. Yes, I am white and I hate ignorant white people... does this make me a racist?
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Peanut Brain 10/03/2008 13:45
Seema as if any whites who do not agree with you are racist, and anybody else who is not white who does not agree with you is a coconut (whatever that means). You are a poor, pathetic, bitter and twisted creature. Go find a hole, crawl into it and dissappear!! - True Blue SA |
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Twist it as much as you like 10/03/2008 13:46
Your thinking is a semantic qualification to an obviously flawed argument. It not only reeks of backtracking, but it does so in the manner a child would. Jon, you are as wrong as your denial of white journalists to attend. I guarantee if you had allowed white journalists in in the first place, they would have become bored of trying to fish for a story and left. Your obvious, talk before thinking attitude, perpetuates exactly what they set out to achieve. An you look a damn fool while doing it! - Tim |
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JQ 10/03/2008 13:46
Well said Jon - Marius |
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PRO-BLACK v/s PRO-WHITE 10/03/2008 13:46
the problems faced by black people can only be resolved if BC philosophy by BIKO is brought back,, however as blacks we need not exclude whites from blacks gathering,, we need to invite them so we call school them about the socio-economic hardships faced by our people, we need to promote gatherings whereby the youth of today can be schooled on racial tolorence,,,lets be pro SA both black and white,,,atrocities of the past can only be rectified if we go into the future with racial tolorence, - CAREFUL |
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go JQ! 10/03/2008 13:47
JQ is simply tackling white entitlement in everything. - Real Thug |
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Ag shame 10/03/2008 13:48
"We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency. Again we do not intellectualise about these horrifying conditions. We live them on a daily basis." Sorry dude, no, you are not. Those are "conditions" that do NOT discriminate or pick a certain race. Those are the results of poor judgement, and poor judgement is a HUMAN condition. Some just suffer more than others. - Brenda |
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hahahahahaha 10/03/2008 13:48
the head of the SABC news (Makoe), probably the most powerful news body in Africa still feels oppressed by white people, what does this palooka think needs to be done in order for him to feel like he has some sort of power....p.s John you're an idiot - me |
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You hit the nail onthe head!! 10/03/2008 13:48
Being Pro-Black does NOT make anyone a racist just like being Pro-White or Pro-Afrikaner or Pro-Anything makes anyone Anti-Black. And if there WAS a White Afrikaner Male Student Association would it be tolerated? ....... By Blacks, by Women, by English speakers?? You know the answer Jon. - Kevin in Brisbane |
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Whatever !!!!! 10/03/2008 13:49
"So by supporting our decision to have blacks-only imbizos where we delve deep into these matters, one is not being racist: we are pro-black, but not necessarily anti-white."
That is were is starts,
the old regime never did say they were anti-black did they.
Hitler did not say kill the Jews when he started out,that came much later didn't it. I am just saying new goverment sam old, same old.
So saying - Heksie |
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moron 10/03/2008 13:49
Jq there you go calling your people coconuts againe, if they are coconuts what exactly are you then by the way?
you go on about the death penalty only serving white people??? what nonsense, crime affects us all in this country and the death penalty would serve as all and to some of us serve as a deterrent to commit murder, maybe if you wife or kids got murdered some time soon your views would change i'm sure... - terence |
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Why bother? 10/03/2008 13:49
Why do people place comments here about this guy? He loves it! Best is to ignore him - let him be - do you really think he reads all this. He is a sensasionalist. Journalist - Bahahaha! - Lostong |
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AWB coming back 10/03/2008 13:49
So I guess, in light of JQ's spirit, that will be fine and well. Pro-Black, doesn't mean, Anti-White. Sure, but what happened to Pro-Black, Pro-White? - Sinudeity |
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Agree 10/03/2008 13:51
I understand where you are coming from which is precisely why I understand and why some people will never hear/understand you, which is precisely why the conference was held in the first place. - black pepper |
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ok then? 10/03/2008 13:51
"We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency. Again we do not intellectualise about these horrifying conditions. We live them on a daily basis."
So all white people live perfect lives, free of problems and worries? Grow up John, there are people struggling in all race groups. One race can't claim the majority on misery.
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logic?? 10/03/2008 13:52
You may not be anti-white, however it seems that your convoluted logic indicates that you perceive the whites and coconuts (rather derogatory wouldn't you say), to be incidental. In a society, (as a whole), that has strived to make race secondary to being a South African, your stance can only be understood to be racist and incendiary in that you perceive the needs of one group to be paramount as opposed to the needs of the collective! - Ray |
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Sounds like Orania's argument 10/03/2008 13:52
I believe sad places like Orania are also touted to be pro-Afrikaner and not necessarily anti-Black. One way to sell discrimination...
If the meeting had a sangoma speaking people may not have been so upset. Having the likely future president talking makes it political. What is discussed that is so secretive? Is it not possible to talk about issues concerning a specific group if others are present?
We have to move forward, Jon. Our nation now builds bridges, not barricades. - CocoLove |
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Uhm 10/03/2008 13:52
You contradict yourself right through your article.Your "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth..." is actually hilarious and just states your ignorance.You cant redeem yourself.. - Indeedio |
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Mistaken 10/03/2008 13:53
Sorry Jon, simply by suggesting I am a peanut brain because I said your understanding of Plato is incorrect does not automatically mean you are right! Quoting one line from Plato does not mean you have justified the context! - MJ |
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Seperation 10/03/2008 13:53
Seperate the black journalists from the white. Why not then seperate the black teenagers from the whites at school level since they are the only ones with "teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency". There is no eqaulity in pro black or pro white and seperation(apartheid) cannot be justified. - Anon |
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Pro White / Racism 10/03/2008 13:53
I guess apartheid was pro-white and not anti-black. So why all the fuss then if it was a simple as that? The political leaders should have asked you to clear it up for them 14 years ago! - Bob |
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Jon needs therapy 10/03/2008 13:53
Jon you need psychotherapy. You have a chip on your shoulder and are constantly projecting. You are in denial about so much. Good luck - Peter Biro |
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So, so sad 10/03/2008 13:54
This so sad, and its meant to stir up anger and hate, but its not worth it, unfortunately we are now living in a society where if anything involves colour, racism is automatically brought into it.
Its very, very sad to see. - Dangle |
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Reason for... 10/03/2008 13:54
Jon, what do you think is the reason for a number of black men killing an elderly man of 76 for nothing? What is the reason for a black man killing a 40 year old man, fleeing the scene only taking a cellphone? What is the reason for a black man killing a woman without reason, fleeing with nothing? What is the reason for a black man raping and killing an 18 year old? The reason for these crimes are racially motivated. It has got nothing to do with poverty? It is anger against the white people. - Andre (1) |
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Pro-black... 10/03/2008 13:57
And if a white said he is pro-white and not necessarily anti-black? What would the reaction be?
"The "baas" and "miesies" mentality still holds sway among a greater part of the white section of this country's population" - how would you know? By saying you experience it daily would be nonsense. That mentality is certainly not accepted by majority of whites. We want transformation, development, equality, etc. same as everyone else.
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Love It 10/03/2008 13:59
Thanks I love these articles, they give me something to do and read while I wait to take my skills and accumulated wealth overseas to help my new country develope. Go on hate everybody the world is doomed anyways. - ha ha |
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Mail and Guardian 10/03/2008 14:00
People - if you want to read real insight from informed journalists then stop reading the "you" magazine of the internet - news24. Read the mail and guardian. www.mg.co.za - John (not Qwelane) |
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Viva John 10/03/2008 14:01
You are very right Jon. We realy have many idiots in this forum. They talk about ignoring your column but are always the first to post their comments. People, go ahead in forming your own whites only journalist organisation without threatning us to do so. - sechaba |
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Niels 10/03/2008 14:01
Niels you never have a meritable comment to give so rather leave none at all. - John |
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Stop! 10/03/2008 14:01
Columnists like these should not be placed in a prime site for the world to see. It is embarrassing to showcase this low mentality and destruction of a country by 'race hate'. To built a nation, we need to focus on possitive attributes. May be continue this discussions on the back page of a dodgy newspaper... - Elle |
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the way we never were 10/03/2008 14:02
During the visit of Louis Farrakhan of the nation of Islam to South Africa he stated on SABC TV that he was not against whites and Jews but for blacks and Muslims.I agree with Farrakhan's premise.We have be HONEST about the 'things' we are for.Last week you were clear in that you despised blacks with white wives.That is racist.In the future, state what you are FOR.I somehow get the feeling you are FOR black racists. - BF |
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Grow up! 10/03/2008 14:04
Jon, all this blame shifting and demanding is turning you into a bitter and sad individual! You have a child mentality - throwing a tantrum and demanding something which is incredibly biased and unreasonable!! Your spoilt brat syndrome doesnt impress the grown ups! - brenda |
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Oh please 10/03/2008 14:04
In a previous article you said 'I want to state unequivocally here that black people have every right to assemble by themselves to discuss whatever affects them directly; we do not need anybody's approval, and it is time blacks asserted themselves and stopped apologising at every turn for attempting to correct the debilitating situation they find themselves in, through no fault of their own' You show me where you apologise when you just blame the 'baas' and the 'miesies' and aparthate - rdc |
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J.Q. Comment 10/03/2008 14:05
The black community and proffessional in particular must never seek approval for their actions. It is time that the black people's agenda be written by themselves for themselves.Whites in this country and anywhere in the world will never trust anything that blacks do without them, due to their belief in their superiority complex, of knowing what is right for blacks and so on. - Monde |
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Spot on 10/03/2008 14:05
JQ hits whites were at hurt most. Hence many of their comments do not have logical. All they do as vomit insults. Isn't time whites left the country. Some of them post comments priding themselves of being racists. We cannot build a country conducive to everyone if we still have such elements. - Tsepo |
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JQ - MY HERO 10/03/2008 14:05
Jon again the baas and the miesies have not read your article with understanding. It is funny how the same baas and miesies who label you as a racist try to justify the UFS video and also support the fact that segregation on our University hostels are not racist and should not be forced onto students. According to me these double standards on the part of these baas and miesies clearly is an indication of there racist ideological mindsets - as you said in you article they resort to what they know best - bullying, threats and lying. - colin |
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old school 10/03/2008 14:06
I don't think Jon is being racist in his column, he seems to have equal dislike for whites and civilized blacks, using derogatory words like "coconut". Which I find offensive.
Jon, primeval mentalities and thought streams like yours is what is keeping this country in it's 3rd world state and it's time you open your eyes and realise that we are living in 2008. - Thabo |
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These 24 writers are a sensitive bunch, no? 10/03/2008 14:07
These columns are self-propagating nonsense. One week a position is taken the next week it is defended. This is lowest common denominator stuff. Please note I am referring to news24 columnists in general, not Mr Qwelane above. It just seems to be a strategy to drive 'click throughs' rather than a genuine engagement of the issues. I for one am bored of news24's columns and will rather read from iol.co.za - Dane |
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Please do not let yourselves be provoked by Jon's columns 10/03/2008 14:07
Many of us have already tried to get Jon off News24, without success. The least we can do, is not to be incited by his hate-speech, even better: not to comment his articles at all. He uses hatespeech, bigotry, insulting vocabulary, and he only incites more hatred. Leave him to his ranting - let US show him how it's done, and build a healthy society, IN SPITE of him. This is the last time I will comment one of Jon's columns - I refuse to be needled by him - I hope all of you will do the same. - Mark R |
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PROGRESS!! 10/03/2008 14:07
At last we are making progress, recognising we are different! As long as we respect each other thought. And they live happily ever after ! :) - P Basson |
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sorry for you 10/03/2008 14:08
Then whites can hold white only meetings to deal with white issues, so nobody will have a problem - liz |
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me 10/03/2008 14:09
Why do you want to stop other people from expressing opinions that is different from yours?I myself don't agree with Jon but i want him to continue to express his opinions,because it is good democracy.You seem to come from the apartheid era where other people were not allowed to express their opinions.One philosopher once said'I may not agree with you but i will defend your right to say it with my life'. - Godfrey |
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Infact Kabelo../ 10/03/2008 14:10
Joe Slovo is white so is Helen Suzman and Karl Niehaus and Jeremy Cronin and many others who sacrificed for our democracy, you and Jon sound like old broken records, please stop pretending to be speaking ON BEHALF OF BLACK PEOPLE, also please get your facts FIRST before making fools of yourselves!! Jon you are a racist who resort to calling people who have different views to yours names, how childish is that? "coconut" - Vicky |
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You make no sense! 10/03/2008 14:14
You back tracked quite quickly there didn't you? But you still have this way of coming across as a complete racist. To quote you "one is not being racist: we are pro-black, but not necessarily anti-white". No, no - you ARE being racist when you refuse entry to journalists who are not black. By all means, be pro-black, but when it is to the exclusion of other races - that is RACIST. Don't try to sugar coat it Jon. You are a racist, and an arrogant one at that. - L |
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wake up, JQ 10/03/2008 14:14
Does anyone actually believe there is any sincerity in the writings of JQ?
You're a disgrace to the country, your heritage & the population: the media are supposed to be the voice of the population - where are your ethics? - Michael |
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why so insulting Jon 10/03/2008 14:15
I have np problem with the gist of what you are saying. However I do wonder why it is that you have to so insulting to your readers. Your columns are littered with comments like "peanut brains", "pathetic individuals" and "all their miserable lives". All these in reference to those who have opinions different to yours. Care to tell us why you think it neccessary? - Peter |
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furthermore, 10/03/2008 14:16
the "squarters" should not be used as your diffence as we both know that, those guys come from rural areas to seek employment in the cities as their former "black governments" in rurual areas didnt' bother to develop those areas sufficiently, now we have this, plus refugees from outside SA. there are no refugee camps in SA, therefore people build shacks to live whilst trying to settle in SA, - vicky |
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Pro Black 10/03/2008 14:16
As long as we still have two econimies we will be pro black, and we are not apologetic about it. Racism cannot be reversed, whites have benefitted from apartheid thats the reason why they are living in the first economy. Blacks still have a long way, and if one become pro black in order to see that other blacks are empowered, it does not make you racist. racism cannot be reversed. - Adam |
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Assemble and debate as you please but spare us your self pity 10/03/2008 14:17
The majority of media houses are black-owned (e.g. the biggest, the SABC), black managed, black staffed and black editored and have been for many years. So "white" stories get better print (who says they're "white" anyway?). Is this because you do not chase or fight for your stories hard enough? Maybe ask yourself why you are whining like a loser despite all of this? Just get on with your life without excuses. - Zoo Keeper |
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I support some of your points Jon. 10/03/2008 14:17
You raise valid points about situations faced by Blacks in this country. If the forum is about these issues which are pertinent to us, then I support such move as we cannot rely on AA/EE for long, we need to drag ourselves out of poverty, crime and illiteracy. I have one plea though Jon, please tone down on name calling and insults, this was rather a good article, you spoilt it by insults. I say, bring back the spirit of Black Consciousness, it's our only weapon - Libembe |
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Whites only golf course 10/03/2008 14:17
You can test a rule by taking it to the extreme. A club, for whites only, to meet to discuss business concerns of whites, meets regularly so gets premises. Those premises happen to be a golf course. Instead of sitting and discussing, we will break into groups on the course. No blacks allowed as we will discuss white stuff. Have not violated any of your rules have I Jon? - Extreme example |
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Go away 10/03/2008 14:17
Have your meeting Jon. It's fine. The rational people in South Africa are leaving anyway. The irrational ones are staying. One of the removal companies that I spoke to said that they moved 50 South African families overseas last month. What was quite telling was that they were not all white, in fact whites made up the minority there as well. Go figure. I bet it has nothing to do with people with attitudes like yours though. - Mark |
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Pro-respect 10/03/2008 14:18
I stopped reading after "peanut brain". You need to learn to respect people. Thats the main reason people despise you. Its not so much your opinion as it is the way you voice them and belittle everyone else. - Tanya |
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Racist 10/03/2008 14:20
I bet everything I own that if a white journalist wrote something similar to this, it would have been his last column...
Media24, how can you justify publishing racist writing like JQ's? - Grootkrokkodil |
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Defintion of racism 10/03/2008 14:21
The stigmatising of difference along the lines of ?racial? characteristics in order to justify advantage or abuse of power, whether economic, political, cultural or psychological.
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The problem with JQ... 10/03/2008 14:22
is that he - like many other people ? possesses the ability to convince himself that he is in fact correct, no matter what. This is when your brain lies to your conscience! The issue that I have with this scenario, is that JQ is allowed to stand on his podium and infect us with the turmoil in HIS head. I would like to know when last did JQ accept that he was wrong? - Wessel |
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Zuma the coconut 10/03/2008 14:24
Jon, you practising the same thing you accuse white people of by labelling black people who don't agree with you as coconuts. What the hell is a coconut anyway? You basicaaly saying, if you don't think like Jon and BJF then you are behaving like a white person, How dumb is that. It would have been intersting to hear your take on the great JZ utterances on the Death Penalty. I think he qualifies as a coconut according to your definition. - Tebzano |
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Pro means supportive 10/03/2008 14:26
I am pro Bulls which means I am anti Sharks, Lions and all the rest.
I am pro Boks, which means I am anti England, France, Aus and NZ
If we were all pro South African, and not pro ourselves we would have power, roads without holes, no crime, no corruption no BEE and probably people would emmigrate to South Africa and not immgrate from South Africa!!
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Laughable 10/03/2008 14:26
"We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency." - You, clearly, live in your own little world. Given the sheer naivity and short-sightedness of this article (not limited to the quote above), I wouldnt be surprised if you DID misquote Plato. - blacksunshine |
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When will we become colour blind? 10/03/2008 14:27
I wonder Jon... if it is acceptable in the new South Africa to have a "Blacks only sign" up, why then did we struggle so hard against apartheid to remove all the "Whites only" signs... surely this country and its people will never move forward and will never be able to prosper if we do not remove ALL racially discriminating signs...when will we stop seeing whites and blacks and start seeing all the beautiful people of this rainbow nation... when will we start to look past colour in SA??? - Steven |
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You sound agry 10/03/2008 14:29
Whatever issues you raise Jon... you are a very divisive journalist. you come across as very bitter and angry at the world. Even where you make valid points, your antagonistic tone is not objective and never in the interest of nation building. change your attitude bro. - boni |
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Generalisation 10/03/2008 14:30
The reason JQ steps on so many toes is because of his gross generalisation. He labels left-right-and-centre. Not just whites, but all other segments of the population as well. JQ, will it be possible to write one article without using the words "white", "black", "coconuts" or "racism"? You are creating more division with every article you write! :-( - John Doe |
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necessarily 10/03/2008 14:31
Not necessarily! What do you mean by that? Maybe you are but maybe your not, anti-white. I guess I'll make that decision myself, as you leave it open for me to interpret. News 24 should not be publishing this man's columns. - Niel Myburgh |
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Jon Kwaggalani 10/03/2008 14:33
It must be a terrible burden to be so smart. I used to enjoy your column but for sure your weird rhetoric has exposed you for who and what you are. Just another stumbling block... amandla! Forward comrade... forward into the dark age of freedom... where some are more free than others and others are more equal than some! I genuinely give up! I trust you will achieve utopia as propoganda Minister for the next last, next to last, last King of Scotland? eish... - Bart |
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Let's try to move forward instead of backwards! 10/03/2008 14:33
Jon, I agree that there are still too many racist whites out there, as I'm sure there are still too many racist blacks (like yourself?). Exclusionary groups like the FBJ however do nothing to assist transformation in South Africa. We are all affected by the consequences of HIV, crime, poverty, alcoholism and drug dependency, so take those blinkers off and stop spewing hate speech. To make a success of this country, we need to unite, try to understand one other and exercise some tolerance. - Anon |
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Pro-black or white is not racism!!! 10/03/2008 14:33
Blacks have lots of issues affecting them that they still need to deal with directly. These issues arise mainly as a result of colonization & apartheid, and need to be discussed by blacks amongst themselves. These include but are not limited to work related, cultural, land, social and economic issues. I therefore do not understand why there is all this hulla-balloo from the white journalists and their obviously more affluent black supporters. - Paul |
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Coconut 10/03/2008 14:34
Jon, you are a coconut. You wear western clothes, drive their cars, live in their houses. How does this not make you a coconut? - Nyx |
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Talking about Jacob Zuma 10/03/2008 14:36
Did anyone watch "Last Kind of Scotland" on Mnet last night?
During the credits last night, it showed real snippets of Idi Amin... He reminded me greatly of Jacob Zuma in his behaviour and mannerisms.
Scary Stuff. - Damian |
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Who does a country really belong to? 10/03/2008 14:38
Just a thought - I'd like to see the right to vote being allocated proportional to the amount of money each person contributes to SARS. That would help with tax evasion. People can stop complaining that things they have worked for are now being redistributed unfairly. Others will be motivated to make a positive contribution to our country. I would like to see the government invest in non-racist training facilities with a view to filling the skills shortage, instead of BEE. Are we all not human? - Lourens |
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Shame Jon, 10/03/2008 14:38
After reading your article I can't really comment anything but to say - you poor little black soul. I wonder if there's even one person that still sees you as a serious journalist. The chip is heavy I know - I will pray for you and that one day you might be able to "intellectualise" things. - Helpus |
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I do not value your opinion any more! 10/03/2008 14:39
After valuing your opinion for many years and always finding you an interesting read I know longer value your opinion. Calling people "coconuts" does nothing positive for SA and you should be seen as any other South African who harms what we are striving for - a society in which we can all live in unity regardless of colour. Your words hold no value for me. - Gman |
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yeah, yeah! 10/03/2008 14:39
The old Nats used the same excuses! - May Windsor |
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Brilliant 10/03/2008 14:40
Well done Jon. What a piece of inspired writing. Every time I read your articles I get that warm feeling that you obviously are a man of action rather than words. What?s enlightening is to know that only non-coconut teenages fall pregnant, non-coconuts take too many drugs and imbibe in too much alcohol ? you must have first-hand knowledge and understanding of the situation as you defend your right not to cower against the facts. Keep up the great prose and I am sure that the 14 year old teenager called the ?new? South Africa will not get too pissed, fall pregnant or smoke dope. - Coconut Republic |
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Fully Agree with u JQ 10/03/2008 14:41
I fully agree with you JQ-Black pepole in this country are expected to ally fears of the whites and always do what the whites approve.Blacks have rights to assemble anywhere in this country to discuss any issues that may affect them on a daily basis.Fully agree with you.ML - ML |
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Keep racism alive 10/03/2008 14:43
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