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'Pro-black is not anti-white'

2008-03-10 13:17

Jon Qwelane

Another week in the "new" South Africa and, boy! What tedium!

Some peanut brain tries to tell me that I misquoted Plato, and goes on to concoct a bit of nonsense which he falsely attributes to the famous philosopher!

Then there are those who have a literal and shallow meaning of the expression "I do not apologise for this stand"; they berate me, and want me to "apologise" for stating that I believe black people have the constitutional right to assemble by themselves.

And of course, there have been the predictable theatrics by the usual crowd, whose knee-jerk reaction includes rushing to post so-called "responses" to what they have obviously not read with any understanding. No wonder this country is in such a mess!

The "baas" and "miesies" mentality still holds sway among a greater part of the white section of this country's population: they want to claim for themselves the sole copyright of the ability to think but, having all their miserable lives never been confronted with blacks who can think for themselves and can brush off the lies, stand their ground and refuse to be cowed. When they are, Baas and Miesies resort to what they know best - bullying, threats and lying.

Talking about racism

Some pathetic individuals seem to think that one instantly becomes a racist by talking about racism! If such "logic" were correct, then most of South Africans would be criminals, because they talk about crime nearly all the time.

This week the South African Human Rights Commission held a major conference at its Parktown, Johannesburg, offices where the matter of the Forum of Black Journalists - with which I sympathise fully - was discussed, especially our firm stand against holding our imbizo with whites when we met ANC leader Jacob Zuma.

I still maintain, as I told the meeting, that there continue to be numerous pressures on us as a people that require us - the black people - to address fully. Most of those pressures are peculiar to the black community, and as such it would require black people with their first-hand knowledge and understanding of the situation, to formulate responses accordingly.

The majority of black people live in squatter camps; those are our uncles and aunts, cousins, brothers and sisters. We do not speak with an "ag-shame" attitude when we talk about the "squatters" and their depressed and depressing living conditions; we talk from bitter experience, not the intellectual theorising of some white people and their coconut friends.

Living them

We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency. Again we do not intellectualise about these horrifying conditions. We live them on a daily basis.

Neither will denying that the HIV/Aids epidemic affects, in the main, the black population nor will trying to deny the fact that the majority of criminals and lawbreakers in South Africa are black, solve anything.

As blacks, I doubt it very much if we would be as keen as whites and their coconuts to scream for the return of the death penalty, because we are keenly aware that the death penalty was always meant mainly for black people; I think we would be more inclined to seek honest solutions which would include the causes underlying the rising crime spiral.

So by supporting our decision to have blacks-only imbizos where we delve deep into these matters, one is not being racist: we are pro-black, but not necessarily anti-white.

Think very carefully about that last sentence. Or, as I will not be surprised by the reaction, go on convincing yourself uselessly that all this "confirms" that I am a racist!

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    Kobus Hattingh 3/10/2008 1:28:08 PM
    So then I suppose that you would also agree that Whites can hold Whites-Only-Imbizos to deal with Whites Only Issues and at the same time ban any other colour people from attending it? Somehow I doubt it!
    J.O 3/10/2008 1:30:37 PM
    Trying to justify his racism once again. As previously noted, the best we should all do is ignore this pathetic excuse of a South African. It's a pity I had to post this but hopefully it will remind everybody to stop replying to his columns.
    Neil 3/10/2008 1:30:47 PM
    Having grown up in a society where skin colour was never an issue, and bringing my children up in the same way, reading your column makes me very sad indeed! Blaming everything on the previous white regime is short sighted, and very narrow minded! Don't hide behind your journalist credentials, and use that as an escape route to hit out at what transpired! Use them as a tool to help the country move forward!
    Sean 3/10/2008 1:31:14 PM
    Does pro black acceptance mean Pro white is also acceptable? Once again this pseudo journalist tries to justify his obvious biase.Interestingly enough, the fact that he is allowed to spout his deplorable rhetoric without censure is simply indicative of the society as a whole who choose to accept his mindless drivel
    RedL 3/10/2008 1:31:44 PM
    Jon I don't need to convince myself that you are a bore with a penchant for self-pity. You love to generalise - "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency"- PLEASE!. I am also quite looking forward to the amazing results and strategis the FBJ comes forward with regarding poverty, drug use, pregnancy etc etc!! Wow, and you have time to work as well!
    jenny 3/10/2008 1:32:16 PM
    I am white,but I have probably spent more time in the squatter camps than you have. 5 days a week in fact, trying to improve the lives of the people so sorely neglected by government - so just because you are black does not give you any more insight than I have.What are you doing to improve their lot, other than shouting your mouth off hysterically and then going back to your castle in suburbia to "organise" a black forum cos you think you know more than anyone else. I to have lots of "aunts"!
    miesies 3/10/2008 1:32:19 PM
    It's so sad to see a person like you abuse your position like this to air your stupid one-sided views. I used to get very annoyed with your columns but now I just feel sorry for you - shame, I think you need some help.
    Kabelo 3/10/2008 1:33:20 PM
    I believe that black journalists need to reevaluate their role in formulating ideas as they pertain to identity. South africa's white media pretends to be the custodians of democracy in this country, when in fact the black man and indeed black journalists sacrificed heavily to bring democracy to this beautiful land. That opinion is not being aired at all.
    max 3/10/2008 1:34:15 PM
    So I guess when we are pro white we are not anti black!
    Jairz 3/10/2008 1:34:28 PM
    14 years into democracy and we're still talking black and white. For some this is unthinkable, but it is a reality. Pretending or even wishing it wasn't so is like sticking one's head in the sand. A white's only gathering and a black's only gathering need not be a racist thing, if those gatherings are not about conjuring new ways to oppress one another. Keep the debate and maybe we will find each other and move forward!
    Me 3/10/2008 1:35:44 PM
    The best way to show Jon what you think of him is to stop commenting on his articles and stop reading them as well. Let him have his "blacks-only imbizos" and black only column as well.
    Karl 3/10/2008 1:35:50 PM
    So, Mr. Qwelane, you won't label a meeting of 'whites only' under the rasicm label, as it is merely, according to your definition, 'PRO-white'???
    SJ 3/10/2008 1:36:20 PM
    ... surely we have some better writing talent than old, bitter Jon? Can't you commission some talented young writers whose views are undoubtedly more important and progressive than these?
    Richard W 3/10/2008 1:36:28 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted..." Did you concoct that pearl of wisdom on the toilet this morning? You are now saying that 7 of my white friends actually got addicted to baby powder and not drugs? And that a further 3 of my white female friends under the age of 20 actually do not have kids under 3 years old? They sure look real to me .. If I wrote what you wrote, but reversed the colours, it would be labeled as "Racist".
    JM 3/10/2008 1:37:58 PM
    I agree with Kobus, people like you are quick to defend your opinion, but if the shoe was on the other foot you will be equally quick to shout racism. Common!
    niels 3/10/2008 1:38:25 PM
    Did you not read the last two sentences?
    Nick 3/10/2008 1:38:39 PM
    Jon, sometimes your articles are great and then sometimes, they are pathetic. I`m begining to think that you really enjoy getting the "Knee jerk reaction" as you call it and hence the reason you`re fishing for it again. You need better bait! As Kobus says, I doubt you would have no problems if whites held a Whites Only Imbiso - we all know you would point fingers and play the racial card.
    Karl 3/10/2008 1:39:51 PM
    So, Mr. Qwelane, you won't label a meeting of 'whites only' under the rasicm label, as it is merely, according to your definition, 'PRO-white'???
    Juan 3/10/2008 1:39:58 PM
    You make some valid points, but, as I said before: Excluding someone on the base of RACE, sex, religion, etc is EXPLICITLY unconstitutional, and thus ILLEGAL!! - Simple as that! People have died for liberation and this constitution, yet you are quite nonchalant in obeying only SOME parts of it!
    hjs 3/10/2008 1:40:36 PM
    Ha ha Jon, I thought words like that disappeared with Apartheid. Maybe you should become pro-South African, and forget about being pro-black! Pro-black in my eyes, means anti-white. What are you trying to hide? Once a racist, always a racist. On the death penalty, if anyone commits a crime where the death penalty is justified, hang the bastard. Does it matter whether the murdering, raping pig is black or white? Wake up. You are still living in the dark ages.
    Jeff 3/10/2008 1:41:13 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency" A statement like this really proves to me how narrow-minded you really are ...
    BOB 3/10/2008 1:42:34 PM
    The majority of black people live in squatter camps; those are our uncles and aunts, cousins, brothers and sisters. This sir is you so called cousins, brothers and sisters moving away from there local spots to come to the cities to look for work, what did the white's put your cousins, brothers and sisters in tin shanties - no you embicile, its called urbinization and they put themselves there. YOU RACIST
    Denzil 3/10/2008 1:43:13 PM
    Hey everyone, STOP READING AND REPLYING TO JONS COLUMNS, from now on!
    Ross 3/10/2008 1:43:19 PM
    The crime rate so high because criminals no longer fear breaking the law. We need to start making examples of those(IE: Death penalty) who break the law. When the criminals know that the innocent are willing to go the distance in order to ensure our safety, they'll start to think twice before they rob, rape, stab, shoot etc...
    Intrigued 3/10/2008 1:43:26 PM
    Interesting take on things, and some fair reasoning. Perhaps instead of a knee-jerk reaction, some understanding/ empathy is required. Of course you would feel the same way and not predjudiced in anyway if some "whites-only" forums and schools / universities and whatever were established.
    Martin 3/10/2008 1:43:37 PM
    You go on trying to convince yourself and others, but at the end of the day you prove just how much of a racist you really are. I don't care what anyone else says, only a fool would think otherwise. Your bitterness against white people is really saddening, & I pity your mindset. I just pray that the majority of the black population don't have perceptions as poisoned as yours. And what really highlights your bitterness is that you are not only hateful towards whites, but to your fellow "coconuts"
    Confused 3/10/2008 1:44:36 PM
    Does this mean it's now ok to kick out people at the meeting that are not the same race? You seem to have something against coconuts - are they pro-white? or do they just not agree with your warped logic in trying to re-introduce race-based groups? I thought if anybody can help with upliftment would be welcome to help and not subject to your confusing racist waffle.
    Terry 3/10/2008 1:44:46 PM
    Thanks Jon. Now I know that I'm also not a racist. I'm just "pro white" you are good for something afterall!
    niels 3/10/2008 1:45:43 PM
    Just because YOU have spent five days a week trying to understand the struggles in squatter camps, it does not mean everybody else has. You know, when I emigrate, it won't be because of the "Swart Gevaar." It will be because of ignorant dumbass white people. Yes, I am white and I hate ignorant white people... does this make me a racist?
    True Blue SA 3/10/2008 1:45:59 PM
    Seema as if any whites who do not agree with you are racist, and anybody else who is not white who does not agree with you is a coconut (whatever that means). You are a poor, pathetic, bitter and twisted creature. Go find a hole, crawl into it and dissappear!!
    Tim 3/10/2008 1:46:03 PM
    Your thinking is a semantic qualification to an obviously flawed argument. It not only reeks of backtracking, but it does so in the manner a child would. Jon, you are as wrong as your denial of white journalists to attend. I guarantee if you had allowed white journalists in in the first place, they would have become bored of trying to fish for a story and left. Your obvious, talk before thinking attitude, perpetuates exactly what they set out to achieve. An you look a damn fool while doing it!
    Marius 3/10/2008 1:46:33 PM
    Well said Jon
    CAREFUL 3/10/2008 1:46:49 PM
    the problems faced by black people can only be resolved if BC philosophy by BIKO is brought back,, however as blacks we need not exclude whites from blacks gathering,, we need to invite them so we call school them about the socio-economic hardships faced by our people, we need to promote gatherings whereby the youth of today can be schooled on racial tolorence,,,lets be pro SA both black and white,,,atrocities of the past can only be rectified if we go into the future with racial tolorence,
    Real Thug 3/10/2008 1:47:00 PM
    JQ is simply tackling white entitlement in everything.
    Brenda 3/10/2008 1:48:22 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency. Again we do not intellectualise about these horrifying conditions. We live them on a daily basis." Sorry dude, no, you are not. Those are "conditions" that do NOT discriminate or pick a certain race. Those are the results of poor judgement, and poor judgement is a HUMAN condition. Some just suffer more than others.
    me 3/10/2008 1:48:27 PM
    the head of the SABC news (Makoe), probably the most powerful news body in Africa still feels oppressed by white people, what does this palooka think needs to be done in order for him to feel like he has some sort of power....p.s John you're an idiot
    Kevin in Brisbane 3/10/2008 1:48:44 PM
    Being Pro-Black does NOT make anyone a racist just like being Pro-White or Pro-Afrikaner or Pro-Anything makes anyone Anti-Black. And if there WAS a White Afrikaner Male Student Association would it be tolerated? ....... By Blacks, by Women, by English speakers?? You know the answer Jon.
    Heksie 3/10/2008 1:49:04 PM
    "So by supporting our decision to have blacks-only imbizos where we delve deep into these matters, one is not being racist: we are pro-black, but not necessarily anti-white." That is were is starts, the old regime never did say they were anti-black did they. Hitler did not say kill the Jews when he started out,that came much later didn't it. I am just saying new goverment sam old, same old. So saying
    terence 3/10/2008 1:49:23 PM
    Jq there you go calling your people coconuts againe, if they are coconuts what exactly are you then by the way? you go on about the death penalty only serving white people??? what nonsense, crime affects us all in this country and the death penalty would serve as all and to some of us serve as a deterrent to commit murder, maybe if you wife or kids got murdered some time soon your views would change i'm sure...
    Lostong 3/10/2008 1:49:53 PM
    Why do people place comments here about this guy? He loves it! Best is to ignore him - let him be - do you really think he reads all this. He is a sensasionalist. Journalist - Bahahaha!
    Sinudeity 3/10/2008 1:49:57 PM
    So I guess, in light of JQ's spirit, that will be fine and well. Pro-Black, doesn't mean, Anti-White. Sure, but what happened to Pro-Black, Pro-White?
    black pepper 3/10/2008 1:51:12 PM
    I understand where you are coming from which is precisely why I understand and why some people will never hear/understand you, which is precisely why the conference was held in the first place.
    Jesse 3/10/2008 1:51:25 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency. Again we do not intellectualise about these horrifying conditions. We live them on a daily basis." So all white people live perfect lives, free of problems and worries? Grow up John, there are people struggling in all race groups. One race can't claim the majority on misery.
    Ray 3/10/2008 1:52:07 PM
    You may not be anti-white, however it seems that your convoluted logic indicates that you perceive the whites and coconuts (rather derogatory wouldn't you say), to be incidental. In a society, (as a whole), that has strived to make race secondary to being a South African, your stance can only be understood to be racist and incendiary in that you perceive the needs of one group to be paramount as opposed to the needs of the collective!
    CocoLove 3/10/2008 1:52:35 PM
    I believe sad places like Orania are also touted to be pro-Afrikaner and not necessarily anti-Black. One way to sell discrimination... If the meeting had a sangoma speaking people may not have been so upset. Having the likely future president talking makes it political. What is discussed that is so secretive? Is it not possible to talk about issues concerning a specific group if others are present? We have to move forward, Jon. Our nation now builds bridges, not barricades.
    Indeedio 3/10/2008 1:52:54 PM
    You contradict yourself right through your article.Your "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth..." is actually hilarious and just states your ignorance.You cant redeem yourself..
    MJ 3/10/2008 1:53:12 PM
    Sorry Jon, simply by suggesting I am a peanut brain because I said your understanding of Plato is incorrect does not automatically mean you are right! Quoting one line from Plato does not mean you have justified the context!
    Anon 3/10/2008 1:53:13 PM
    Seperate the black journalists from the white. Why not then seperate the black teenagers from the whites at school level since they are the only ones with "teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency". There is no eqaulity in pro black or pro white and seperation(apartheid) cannot be justified.
    Bob 3/10/2008 1:53:40 PM
    I guess apartheid was pro-white and not anti-black. So why all the fuss then if it was a simple as that? The political leaders should have asked you to clear it up for them 14 years ago!
    Peter Biro 3/10/2008 1:53:45 PM
    Jon you need psychotherapy. You have a chip on your shoulder and are constantly projecting. You are in denial about so much. Good luck
    Dangle 3/10/2008 1:54:06 PM
    This so sad, and its meant to stir up anger and hate, but its not worth it, unfortunately we are now living in a society where if anything involves colour, racism is automatically brought into it. Its very, very sad to see.
    Andre (1) 3/10/2008 1:54:26 PM
    Jon, what do you think is the reason for a number of black men killing an elderly man of 76 for nothing? What is the reason for a black man killing a 40 year old man, fleeing the scene only taking a cellphone? What is the reason for a black man killing a woman without reason, fleeing with nothing? What is the reason for a black man raping and killing an 18 year old? The reason for these crimes are racially motivated. It has got nothing to do with poverty? It is anger against the white people.
    Ilana 3/10/2008 1:57:02 PM
    And if a white said he is pro-white and not necessarily anti-black? What would the reaction be? "The "baas" and "miesies" mentality still holds sway among a greater part of the white section of this country's population" - how would you know? By saying you experience it daily would be nonsense. That mentality is certainly not accepted by majority of whites. We want transformation, development, equality, etc. same as everyone else.
    ha ha 3/10/2008 1:59:38 PM
    Thanks I love these articles, they give me something to do and read while I wait to take my skills and accumulated wealth overseas to help my new country develope. Go on hate everybody the world is doomed anyways.
    John (not Qwelane) 3/10/2008 2:00:26 PM
    People - if you want to read real insight from informed journalists then stop reading the "you" magazine of the internet - news24. Read the mail and guardian. www.mg.co.za
    sechaba 3/10/2008 2:01:06 PM
    You are very right Jon. We realy have many idiots in this forum. They talk about ignoring your column but are always the first to post their comments. People, go ahead in forming your own whites only journalist organisation without threatning us to do so.
    John 3/10/2008 2:01:31 PM
    Niels you never have a meritable comment to give so rather leave none at all.
    Elle 3/10/2008 2:01:38 PM
    Columnists like these should not be placed in a prime site for the world to see. It is embarrassing to showcase this low mentality and destruction of a country by 'race hate'. To built a nation, we need to focus on possitive attributes. May be continue this discussions on the back page of a dodgy newspaper...
    BF 3/10/2008 2:02:24 PM
    During the visit of Louis Farrakhan of the nation of Islam to South Africa he stated on SABC TV that he was not against whites and Jews but for blacks and Muslims.I agree with Farrakhan's premise.We have be HONEST about the 'things' we are for.Last week you were clear in that you despised blacks with white wives.That is racist.In the future, state what you are FOR.I somehow get the feeling you are FOR black racists.
    brenda 3/10/2008 2:04:07 PM
    Jon, all this blame shifting and demanding is turning you into a bitter and sad individual! You have a child mentality - throwing a tantrum and demanding something which is incredibly biased and unreasonable!! Your spoilt brat syndrome doesnt impress the grown ups!
    rdc 3/10/2008 2:04:43 PM
    In a previous article you said 'I want to state unequivocally here that black people have every right to assemble by themselves to discuss whatever affects them directly; we do not need anybody's approval, and it is time blacks asserted themselves and stopped apologising at every turn for attempting to correct the debilitating situation they find themselves in, through no fault of their own' You show me where you apologise when you just blame the 'baas' and the 'miesies' and aparthate
    Monde 3/10/2008 2:05:04 PM
    The black community and proffessional in particular must never seek approval for their actions. It is time that the black people's agenda be written by themselves for themselves.Whites in this country and anywhere in the world will never trust anything that blacks do without them, due to their belief in their superiority complex, of knowing what is right for blacks and so on.
    Tsepo 3/10/2008 2:05:13 PM
    JQ hits whites were at hurt most. Hence many of their comments do not have logical. All they do as vomit insults. Isn't time whites left the country. Some of them post comments priding themselves of being racists. We cannot build a country conducive to everyone if we still have such elements.
    colin 3/10/2008 2:05:31 PM
    Jon again the baas and the miesies have not read your article with understanding. It is funny how the same baas and miesies who label you as a racist try to justify the UFS video and also support the fact that segregation on our University hostels are not racist and should not be forced onto students. According to me these double standards on the part of these baas and miesies clearly is an indication of there racist ideological mindsets - as you said in you article they resort to what they know best - bullying, threats and lying.
    Thabo 3/10/2008 2:06:49 PM
    I don't think Jon is being racist in his column, he seems to have equal dislike for whites and civilized blacks, using derogatory words like "coconut". Which I find offensive. Jon, primeval mentalities and thought streams like yours is what is keeping this country in it's 3rd world state and it's time you open your eyes and realise that we are living in 2008.
    Dane 3/10/2008 2:07:14 PM
    These columns are self-propagating nonsense. One week a position is taken the next week it is defended. This is lowest common denominator stuff. Please note I am referring to news24 columnists in general, not Mr Qwelane above. It just seems to be a strategy to drive 'click throughs' rather than a genuine engagement of the issues. I for one am bored of news24's columns and will rather read from iol.co.za
    Mark R 3/10/2008 2:07:24 PM
    Many of us have already tried to get Jon off News24, without success. The least we can do, is not to be incited by his hate-speech, even better: not to comment his articles at all. He uses hatespeech, bigotry, insulting vocabulary, and he only incites more hatred. Leave him to his ranting - let US show him how it's done, and build a healthy society, IN SPITE of him. This is the last time I will comment one of Jon's columns - I refuse to be needled by him - I hope all of you will do the same.
    P Basson 3/10/2008 2:07:51 PM
    At last we are making progress, recognising we are different! As long as we respect each other thought. And they live happily ever after ! :)
    liz 3/10/2008 2:08:00 PM
    Then whites can hold white only meetings to deal with white issues, so nobody will have a problem
    Godfrey 3/10/2008 2:09:20 PM
    Why do you want to stop other people from expressing opinions that is different from yours?I myself don't agree with Jon but i want him to continue to express his opinions,because it is good democracy.You seem to come from the apartheid era where other people were not allowed to express their opinions.One philosopher once said'I may not agree with you but i will defend your right to say it with my life'.
    Vicky 3/10/2008 2:10:49 PM
    Joe Slovo is white so is Helen Suzman and Karl Niehaus and Jeremy Cronin and many others who sacrificed for our democracy, you and Jon sound like old broken records, please stop pretending to be speaking ON BEHALF OF BLACK PEOPLE, also please get your facts FIRST before making fools of yourselves!! Jon you are a racist who resort to calling people who have different views to yours names, how childish is that? "coconut"
    L 3/10/2008 2:14:09 PM
    You back tracked quite quickly there didn't you? But you still have this way of coming across as a complete racist. To quote you "one is not being racist: we are pro-black, but not necessarily anti-white". No, no - you ARE being racist when you refuse entry to journalists who are not black. By all means, be pro-black, but when it is to the exclusion of other races - that is RACIST. Don't try to sugar coat it Jon. You are a racist, and an arrogant one at that.
    Michael 3/10/2008 2:14:48 PM
    Does anyone actually believe there is any sincerity in the writings of JQ? You're a disgrace to the country, your heritage & the population: the media are supposed to be the voice of the population - where are your ethics?
    Peter 3/10/2008 2:15:25 PM
    I have np problem with the gist of what you are saying. However I do wonder why it is that you have to so insulting to your readers. Your columns are littered with comments like "peanut brains", "pathetic individuals" and "all their miserable lives". All these in reference to those who have opinions different to yours. Care to tell us why you think it neccessary?
    vicky 3/10/2008 2:16:11 PM
    the "squarters" should not be used as your diffence as we both know that, those guys come from rural areas to seek employment in the cities as their former "black governments" in rurual areas didnt' bother to develop those areas sufficiently, now we have this, plus refugees from outside SA. there are no refugee camps in SA, therefore people build shacks to live whilst trying to settle in SA,
    Adam 3/10/2008 2:16:59 PM
    As long as we still have two econimies we will be pro black, and we are not apologetic about it. Racism cannot be reversed, whites have benefitted from apartheid thats the reason why they are living in the first economy. Blacks still have a long way, and if one become pro black in order to see that other blacks are empowered, it does not make you racist. racism cannot be reversed.
    Zoo Keeper 3/10/2008 2:17:10 PM
    The majority of media houses are black-owned (e.g. the biggest, the SABC), black managed, black staffed and black editored and have been for many years. So "white" stories get better print (who says they're "white" anyway?). Is this because you do not chase or fight for your stories hard enough? Maybe ask yourself why you are whining like a loser despite all of this? Just get on with your life without excuses.
    Libembe 3/10/2008 2:17:12 PM
    You raise valid points about situations faced by Blacks in this country. If the forum is about these issues which are pertinent to us, then I support such move as we cannot rely on AA/EE for long, we need to drag ourselves out of poverty, crime and illiteracy. I have one plea though Jon, please tone down on name calling and insults, this was rather a good article, you spoilt it by insults. I say, bring back the spirit of Black Consciousness, it's our only weapon
    Extreme example 3/10/2008 2:17:43 PM
    You can test a rule by taking it to the extreme. A club, for whites only, to meet to discuss business concerns of whites, meets regularly so gets premises. Those premises happen to be a golf course. Instead of sitting and discussing, we will break into groups on the course. No blacks allowed as we will discuss white stuff. Have not violated any of your rules have I Jon?
    Mark 3/10/2008 2:17:56 PM
    Have your meeting Jon. It's fine. The rational people in South Africa are leaving anyway. The irrational ones are staying. One of the removal companies that I spoke to said that they moved 50 South African families overseas last month. What was quite telling was that they were not all white, in fact whites made up the minority there as well. Go figure. I bet it has nothing to do with people with attitudes like yours though.
    Tanya 3/10/2008 2:18:20 PM
    I stopped reading after "peanut brain". You need to learn to respect people. Thats the main reason people despise you. Its not so much your opinion as it is the way you voice them and belittle everyone else.
    Grootkrokkodil 3/10/2008 2:20:45 PM
    I bet everything I own that if a white journalist wrote something similar to this, it would have been his last column... Media24, how can you justify publishing racist writing like JQ's?
    Jono 3/10/2008 2:21:04 PM
    The stigmatising of difference along the lines of ?racial? characteristics in order to justify advantage or abuse of power, whether economic, political, cultural or psychological.
    Wessel 3/10/2008 2:22:54 PM
    is that he - like many other people ? possesses the ability to convince himself that he is in fact correct, no matter what. This is when your brain lies to your conscience! The issue that I have with this scenario, is that JQ is allowed to stand on his podium and infect us with the turmoil in HIS head. I would like to know when last did JQ accept that he was wrong?
    Tebzano 3/10/2008 2:24:34 PM
    Jon, you practising the same thing you accuse white people of by labelling black people who don't agree with you as coconuts. What the hell is a coconut anyway? You basicaaly saying, if you don't think like Jon and BJF then you are behaving like a white person, How dumb is that. It would have been intersting to hear your take on the great JZ utterances on the Death Penalty. I think he qualifies as a coconut according to your definition.
    ns 3/10/2008 2:26:15 PM
    I am pro Bulls which means I am anti Sharks, Lions and all the rest. I am pro Boks, which means I am anti England, France, Aus and NZ If we were all pro South African, and not pro ourselves we would have power, roads without holes, no crime, no corruption no BEE and probably people would emmigrate to South Africa and not immgrate from South Africa!!
    blacksunshine 3/10/2008 2:26:42 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency." - You, clearly, live in your own little world. Given the sheer naivity and short-sightedness of this article (not limited to the quote above), I wouldnt be surprised if you DID misquote Plato.
    Steven 3/10/2008 2:27:43 PM
    I wonder Jon... if it is acceptable in the new South Africa to have a "Blacks only sign" up, why then did we struggle so hard against apartheid to remove all the "Whites only" signs... surely this country and its people will never move forward and will never be able to prosper if we do not remove ALL racially discriminating signs...when will we stop seeing whites and blacks and start seeing all the beautiful people of this rainbow nation... when will we start to look past colour in SA???
    boni 3/10/2008 2:29:21 PM
    Whatever issues you raise Jon... you are a very divisive journalist. you come across as very bitter and angry at the world. Even where you make valid points, your antagonistic tone is not objective and never in the interest of nation building. change your attitude bro.
    John Doe 3/10/2008 2:30:30 PM
    The reason JQ steps on so many toes is because of his gross generalisation. He labels left-right-and-centre. Not just whites, but all other segments of the population as well. JQ, will it be possible to write one article without using the words "white", "black", "coconuts" or "racism"? You are creating more division with every article you write! :-(
    Niel Myburgh 3/10/2008 2:31:25 PM
    Not necessarily! What do you mean by that? Maybe you are but maybe your not, anti-white. I guess I'll make that decision myself, as you leave it open for me to interpret. News 24 should not be publishing this man's columns.
    Bart 3/10/2008 2:33:09 PM
    It must be a terrible burden to be so smart. I used to enjoy your column but for sure your weird rhetoric has exposed you for who and what you are. Just another stumbling block... amandla! Forward comrade... forward into the dark age of freedom... where some are more free than others and others are more equal than some! I genuinely give up! I trust you will achieve utopia as propoganda Minister for the next last, next to last, last King of Scotland? eish...
    Anon 3/10/2008 2:33:21 PM
    Jon, I agree that there are still too many racist whites out there, as I'm sure there are still too many racist blacks (like yourself?). Exclusionary groups like the FBJ however do nothing to assist transformation in South Africa. We are all affected by the consequences of HIV, crime, poverty, alcoholism and drug dependency, so take those blinkers off and stop spewing hate speech. To make a success of this country, we need to unite, try to understand one other and exercise some tolerance.
    Paul 3/10/2008 2:33:22 PM
    Blacks have lots of issues affecting them that they still need to deal with directly. These issues arise mainly as a result of colonization & apartheid, and need to be discussed by blacks amongst themselves. These include but are not limited to work related, cultural, land, social and economic issues. I therefore do not understand why there is all this hulla-balloo from the white journalists and their obviously more affluent black supporters.
    Nyx 3/10/2008 2:34:18 PM
    Jon, you are a coconut. You wear western clothes, drive their cars, live in their houses. How does this not make you a coconut?
    Damian 3/10/2008 2:36:05 PM
    Did anyone watch "Last Kind of Scotland" on Mnet last night? During the credits last night, it showed real snippets of Idi Amin... He reminded me greatly of Jacob Zuma in his behaviour and mannerisms. Scary Stuff.
    Lourens 3/10/2008 2:38:06 PM
    Just a thought - I'd like to see the right to vote being allocated proportional to the amount of money each person contributes to SARS. That would help with tax evasion. People can stop complaining that things they have worked for are now being redistributed unfairly. Others will be motivated to make a positive contribution to our country. I would like to see the government invest in non-racist training facilities with a view to filling the skills shortage, instead of BEE. Are we all not human?
    Helpus 3/10/2008 2:38:53 PM
    After reading your article I can't really comment anything but to say - you poor little black soul. I wonder if there's even one person that still sees you as a serious journalist. The chip is heavy I know - I will pray for you and that one day you might be able to "intellectualise" things.
    Gman 3/10/2008 2:39:03 PM
    After valuing your opinion for many years and always finding you an interesting read I know longer value your opinion. Calling people "coconuts" does nothing positive for SA and you should be seen as any other South African who harms what we are striving for - a society in which we can all live in unity regardless of colour. Your words hold no value for me.
    May Windsor 3/10/2008 2:39:51 PM
    The old Nats used the same excuses!
    Coconut Republic 3/10/2008 2:40:31 PM
    Well done Jon. What a piece of inspired writing. Every time I read your articles I get that warm feeling that you obviously are a man of action rather than words. What?s enlightening is to know that only non-coconut teenages fall pregnant, non-coconuts take too many drugs and imbibe in too much alcohol ? you must have first-hand knowledge and understanding of the situation as you defend your right not to cower against the facts. Keep up the great prose and I am sure that the 14 year old teenager called the ?new? South Africa will not get too pissed, fall pregnant or smoke dope.
    ML 3/10/2008 2:41:40 PM
    I fully agree with you JQ-Black pepole in this country are expected to ally fears of the whites and always do what the whites approve.Blacks have rights to assemble anywhere in this country to discuss any issues that may affect them on a daily basis.Fully agree with you.ML
    Jonix 3/10/2008 2:43:24 PM
    Dear readers. This guy is obviously just as disillusioned about how to make a productive and progressive contribution to our country as the rest of the ANC. They are just as the war veterans in Zimbabwe - all they know is how to fight. Now that there is no more war or apartheid, they will try and nurture the flame otherwise they have nothing to say. I agree with Denzil - IN FUTURE, LETS MERELY COMMENT "RUBBISH" and nothing else.
    LB 3/10/2008 2:44:18 PM
    My understanding of coconuts are well educated, "westernised" black people, who have moved beyond colour and are working towards a colourless south africa. So, what, we don't want blacks to be educated and being a part of a "colourless" south africa? When will a man be just a man?
    Acid0 3/10/2008 2:45:10 PM
    The death penalty worked because there was Consequences if you committed a crime. The death penalty know no colour or religion. These days the criminals are ruling for there is no law that will eliminate them from the society that you and I try so hard to build to live in as normal as possible. Botswana has 300 murders a YEAR.....
    Anger 3/10/2008 2:46:03 PM
    It is so funny that people don't see that the government want racial tention. Why don't we all just get it over and done with and have ourself a African Civil War. Seems to be the only way to solve the problems.
    Jan 3/10/2008 2:46:15 PM
    You will never bring back the death penalty, because when you do the ANC will not have enough voters alive to vote themselves back into government.
    flamby baderbuis 3/10/2008 2:46:38 PM
    The sooner people just stop replying to this column, the sooner News24 will stop giving him airtime...
    wanna b Ozzie 3/10/2008 2:46:53 PM
    JQ is so angry because he is ashamed and embarrassed that his culture puports the rape of the elderly and young and general disrecard for the so called ubuntu nonsense. if a community exists and respects social laws we will not see the general disregard for laws as shown by taxis and the rest of the criminals. So we resort to the ancient "black to be proud" bulls@##. move on - other cultures are confident in themselves not to posture as much. Poor JQ.
    TC 3/10/2008 2:47:00 PM
    I think you are losing the logic and the respect you enjoyed before. Maybe you have painted yourself into a corner with the options you exercise. I hope, for your sake, you can somehow escape your own prejudices.
    Frank Talk 3/10/2008 2:48:04 PM
    You MUST appreciate that white people HAVE to be part of the solutions to the issues confronting Blacks due to Apartheid? Surely the SOLUTIONS are the most important thing here? What sense does excluding whites from finding solutions make? How is this not plain stupid? Have you missed the point of the liberation (of all in SA) struggle completely? Can you take your blinkers off and be realistic? And what's up with the name calling? How is this not childish?
    Pro-White Pro-Coconut 3/10/2008 2:49:03 PM
    I guess the KKK is also pro-white then. I am no longer a racist, I am a pro-whitest. Phew, that's a relief. Jon, you however remain an idiot. At least the coconuts are working together for a better SA. I would take offense as a black not to be labeled a coconut!
    Bart 3/10/2008 2:50:09 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency." "majority of criminals and lawbreakers in South Africa are black" 40 million vs 5 million... hell Sherlock. Per capita? You just said blacks are more criminal and gesuip than whites? These issues affect us all proportionately and as closely. 100 black criminals for 5 white. 100 black alchoholics for 5 whites. 20 to 1 moron.
    scorpion 3/10/2008 2:50:17 PM
    What do you think the racisr video in UFS meant? What do you think dragging that farm worker by his hair with a speeding bakkie meant? What do you think of Skielik shootings meant? What do you think being forced off your land by Apartheid gov meant? hatred for blacks that is the answer
    Silver Surfer 3/10/2008 2:51:43 PM
    Jon, "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency". If this is the case, it is down to stupidity - not whether you are black or white !
    Aghast 3/10/2008 2:54:29 PM
    News24, where are your standards? How can you allow this racist, Qwelane, to post this drivel on your site? The man obviously can't stand whites and yearns for the apartheid days when he had a legitimate cause for his attitude. What does JQ contribute to the improvement of relationships between the different cultures in this society? Nothing constructive! His words are spiteful and laced with poison. If a white journalist were writing in the same tone he would surely be censored. GET RID OF JQ!!
    Ray 3/10/2008 2:55:04 PM
    As a young man in S.A I cannot wait for all these older black people/Freedom fighters with a chip on their shoulder to die off.
    David (coconut in the eyes of Jon) 3/10/2008 2:55:26 PM
    I am a black male in the new South Africa, and all I can say is I am ashamed of people like Jon who do nothing more than provoke racial tension in this country. I tend to agree with most that his columns are a complete waste of time and energy filled with prejudice and utter nonsense. Pro-black? Please... This is just a cowardly way of shouting racism... Black people (especially Jon) need to move forward and stop the attitude of ‘getting back what was taken from us’ without working for it.
    Craig 3/10/2008 2:57:06 PM
    Just to prepare you, this is a somewhat hypocitical post. Why does anyone who disagrees with him bother to comment on JQ's writing anymore? You know that he'll respond by insulting you and attempting to incite you to further attacks on him. You're wasting your energy and doing what I would hope you'd know is the wrong thing to do, you're giving him attention. By the way, I'm starting a whites-only group on dealing with entering the job market as a new graduate.
    Neotech 3/10/2008 2:57:56 PM
    "I think we would be more inclined to seek honest solutions which would include the causes underlying the rising crime spiral" Jon Qwelane - what underlying cause can justify the rape of a one year old baby girl, or the gang rape of a white man by black inmates, or the murder of elderlies with a cricket bat? Black or white - these kind of demons need to be executed. Wake up man! And stop trying to fuel racial tensions. You need Jesus in your life.
    philani 3/10/2008 3:00:20 PM
    Well you need to vist a website called (southafricasucks@blogspot.com ) to realize that white pleople still have deep seated hatred for black people. A lot of them call us broer in the office corridors, but they are faking it.
    Stormin 3/10/2008 3:03:39 PM
    The ANC has ruled the country for 14 years now. Judging by the bitterness expressed by Jon Qwelane in this article, he has clearly not benefitted from the new South Africa. I think that deep down Jon is as concerned as most of us about the rate at which the infrastructure of the country is falling apart and the lack of leadership and control in the government and the only thing he can blame for this are the white people who are still trying to make a go of it. Jon, admit that you hate whites.
    Msotho 3/10/2008 3:05:20 PM
    Jon, I feel you and I believe that many more black people arenot blinded by the "rainbow effect". They can see that the existing inequalities mean blacks must not look at the white media to properly articulate their positions.
    tony 3/10/2008 3:06:01 PM
    I read jon's article for a laugh! its just plain comedy! consider this sentence for example: "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency." No white child has turned into a drug addic,alcoholic, or even had a teenage pregnancy....ever! hahahahahaha!
    JV 3/10/2008 3:06:21 PM
    I think writing such an inflamitory article is a cheap shot at ensuring you become more known. Your mediocre grammar won't get you far otherwise. If you were serious about defending your point of view you wouldn't have used discriminatory words like "baas" and "miesies". Perhaps the "coconuts" would not have attended the event if it was clearly demarcated with signs stating: "Blacks only/Slegs Swartes". Oh, wait, we had those a few years ago... And you still wonder why the HRC got involved?
    Andrew 3/10/2008 3:06:26 PM
    this is the last comment I will ever make to your column. You are an angry and bitter individual trying to convince yourself racism is okay by calling it by another name.
    Nickadimus 3/10/2008 3:07:15 PM
    Jon. Your use of affluent, extravagant language really is fabulous. It is amazing how you believe that, because you can throw a few fancy words into a sentence, you can actually write something of value. Take some advice for a change: Quit pretending to be a Journalist, leave the country and the positive people actually make a difference here.
    Allan McLuckie 3/10/2008 3:08:05 PM
    Someone is clearly desperate to increase there readership and number of page hits! This seems to be more of a marketing scheme then a credible journalist who understands the responsibilities of being a journalist in a democratic society
    Chris 3/10/2008 3:10:25 PM
    So Jon, "Whites Only" painted on a park bench means we were pro white, using your argument.
    L 3/10/2008 3:10:37 PM
    I did not try to justify the UFS video (I was appalled by it) AND I am hugely against JQ's racist remarks in his columns. Why don't you and Jon just run along now? If you have nothing positive to say, why comment? We're supposed to be making this a more united country - stop disrupting the process with your bitter outlook.
    Nic 3/10/2008 3:11:23 PM
    Dear Jon. It's because of people like you that this country is unable to move forward. But then again, perhaps in your case, ignorance truly is bliss. What a shame that you use your stance as a journalist to promote anger, bitterness and racism. Does it help you sleep better at night?
    lenyora 3/10/2008 3:12:55 PM
    Thanks Bra Jon, we need courageous brothers like yourself who are prepared to tell the white man the truth to his face
    Martin 3/10/2008 3:13:57 PM
    I have a factual question. When you say, "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency...", what facts do you have to support your statement? Are you saying only one section of the country is affected by these problems? Please post that evidence for all to see.
    Jim 3/10/2008 3:14:22 PM
    Jon, You have the right to associate with whomsoever you wish. However, I must take you to task on the question of the death penalty and your statement that it is aimed at blacks rather than whites. The death penalty, in my opinion, should be mandatory for violent crime involving the kind of torture that is becoming prevalent, murder of on-duty policemen engaged in lawful policing actions and rape and murder of children. It should also be considered for career violent criminals.
    MJ 3/10/2008 3:15:31 PM
    Look further into SA's history - such as the Somerset / Bezuindehout family incident before you try report your warped feelings on the death penalty.
    Chantelle 3/10/2008 3:15:57 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency." Uh... I know many white pregnant teenagers, my white father was a drug addict (it affected my whole WHITE family) and my best friend in high school (white) her (white) mother was an alcoholic. That affected whites. You really are ignorant, JQ!
    Brandon 3/10/2008 3:16:02 PM
    Missing the point this time I think. Let's go for a drink and chat about it.
    Chris in London 3/10/2008 3:19:39 PM
    So, anything said against black people is racist but anything against whites is okay? Racism is racism boet, get with the program!! All I can say is, man its good to be out of that country. If you were out in the 1st world you would not be getting away with these comments, your fuelling hatred which quite frankly there is far to much of there. Stop making these comments, start fixing things bud, you have been given a voice on a publicly red internet news site, stop abusing your position. Please.
    Jannie 3/10/2008 3:21:28 PM
    "The majority of black people live in squatter camps". Strange that,in the rest of Africa and in countries under black rule, the majority of black people also live in squatter camps. Go read the book "Capitaliste Nigger" written by a Negro academic. It will al make sense to you. Yes, I can't wait for the solutions that will be forthcoming from the black journalists. One thing is for sure, a task group (team)will be set up and many workshops will follow where nothing will happen after lunch!
    curious 3/10/2008 3:21:49 PM
    The pathetic thing about racial pride is that it's proponents are deluded into being proud of something they had absolutely no control over. Why not take pride in actual achievements? Only a moron takes pride in his race!
    hjs 3/10/2008 3:21:54 PM
    I do think that Black Consciousness=White Supremacy. Both lines of thought are despicable.
    Gee 3/10/2008 3:22:33 PM
    from JQ. No-one doubts that "there continue to be numerous pressures on us as a people that require us - the black people - to address fully" but why do this at the exclusion of white and the "not black enough (coconuts)" journalists? I am not anti-black at all, but I am anti racism and your drivel in the name of black journalism is just that - racism
    bryan 3/10/2008 3:23:31 PM
    Even John Vorster said pro white was not anti black so you are entrenched in the same mind set. Vorsters ideology was as valueless and invalid as yours. Move on.
    Sipho 3/10/2008 3:24:04 PM
    Okay JQ. So then Apartheid was also not racist but only a pro-white thing... Get your head checked my brother!! You are more racist than the KKK, Nazis and AWB combined!! Yes JQ, go ahead, call me a coconut if you want to, but the "baas" and "miesies" have done a lot more good for me than bad, more than any black man have ever done.
    Christel 3/10/2008 3:27:36 PM
    "As blacks, I doubt it very much if we would be as keen as whites and their coconuts to scream for the return of the death penalty" Jon, all you have to do to prove this statement wrong, is watch the news at 20:00. You'll see thousands of black people outside courtrooms, crying and shouting for the heads of the baby-raping, child-murdering monsters in our society...Stop generalizing...People from all backgrounds and all skin colors want a safe environment for their children!
    mvick 3/10/2008 3:28:13 PM
    Jon, your words are a clear indication that YOU, in fact, still live in the past regime. Believing that the blacks are the only people afflicted by teenage pregnancies, drugs and alcoholism? Are only black people affected by HIV and AIDS? Catch a wake up you idiot! But I guess is because of idiots like you that our country is in the state its in!
    shalin 3/10/2008 3:28:17 PM
    I am classified as a black south african. i think your(and the others pro the mentioned gathering) mode, direction and penchant for this sort of thinking is destrucitve of any progress in South Africa. u are a Bigot to say the least. get with it old man.
    Ben S 3/10/2008 3:28:34 PM
    It's senseless trying to argue with Jon, because he obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word racism or racist. He thinks a racist is by default anyone white, and racism is when said whites do not agree with him or any other black. The sad thing is that it is VERY clear that he is a racist, but he doesn't realize it himself!
    Anon 3/10/2008 3:28:38 PM
    Tsepo, you are just as sad and full of contradictions as Jon, accusing certain white people of being racist but then making racist comments like whites should leave the country. Perhaps you ought to exchange telephone numbers? It is precisely your advice that has led to our desperate skills shortage. Well done.
    Lardus 3/10/2008 3:29:29 PM
    The way to be pro-any color and not anti-another color, is to invite only the one color, but still allow the other color access to the meeting.That way, the ones who also want to help or give their oppinions, are there and nobody gets angry over being excluded.Or is that my 'baas' mentality?
    GJ 3/10/2008 3:29:32 PM
    What saddens me the most is that this piece of "journalism" actually promotes a horrific double standard that reeks of Reverse Apartheid. No man, Jon, I seriously think you need to considered taking back your old job at KFC and leave journalism to persons with a bit more tact (and a word processor with Thesaurus...)
    Gee (again) 3/10/2008 3:29:58 PM
    Oh and another thought, why do you just live with the waywood alcoholisms and teenage pregnancies and squatters instead of asking the government YOUR people elected in the hope of a better Soth Africa. So what do the elders do to stop the rampant sexual activites amongst your youth and the spread of HIV? Nothing excpet offer Garlic & Beetroot and blame the apartheid era for all of it. YES the whites DID oppress but since 1994, YOUR people have been in charge and it has got worse!
    jenny 3/10/2008 3:30:11 PM
    I am a medical doctor serving the community and can emigrate anywhere in the world, but choose to serve my country. Why don't I want to emigrate? Because its FOOLS like you, pseudo intellectuals with no real brains, who arrive with their new countries and give us a bad name. Yes, I have lived in both Oz and NZ and found them lacking, but I bet you will find your niche in the AWB communities there.
    Disappointed 3/10/2008 3:30:19 PM
    "We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency" Do you actually think before you write? I can not believe you are so narrow minded and ignorant!
    noolkop 3/10/2008 3:31:00 PM
    I dispute your statement that ?The "baas" and "miesies" mentality still holds sway among a greater part of the white section of this country's population?. You?ve no way of proving that, it is merely your opinion. Now, to your opinion you are entitled, as I am to mine. And my opinion is that you are incapable of giving a balanced view on this issue, which is really NOT best practice if you are a journalist. Then again you are a black journalist, much maligned in the past, and as such must be absolved from such petty things as objectivity, right?
    KD 3/10/2008 3:31:40 PM
    I have not read this article, nor will I at a later stage. I refuse to read or comment on any article written by this idiot. I will however repeat this posting every week.
    anon 3/10/2008 3:33:12 PM
    Jon, you are either completely delusional or a fool of astronomical proportion. If you were truly ?pro-black and not anti-white?, you would be willing to accept any and all constructive input on the issues that affect ?your? people, irrespective of race. It is short-sighted to believe that only black people can solve black problems. I am amazed that you still have a podium from which you are able to spew bitter, arrogant and quite frankly racially biased (READ RACIST) commentary. What this country needs from people with a platform such as yours is insightful, constructive commentary aimed at uniting people of all races in SA.
    Bruce Johnson 3/10/2008 3:35:07 PM
    You have serious issues that need to be dealt with and I am not entirely sure that you having a position here as a journalist is entirely a good one. Using your column as a personal soapbox to self-justify your obvious racist slant is worrying and this rant is nothing more than the projection of your issues, just like Peter Biro said above. Your message is provocative and insulting to thinking humans - both black and white.
    So sick & Tired 3/10/2008 3:35:30 PM
    Why the hell they let some illiterate black fool post columns on this website really shocks me... I am just so bloody tired of all you people... The taxis, the so called "crime" in which farmers are brutally assaulted ... I just really want to say "F-Off" get your own racist blog...
    vlooi 3/10/2008 3:37:50 PM
    Reverse apartheid is clear in SA these days. The funny thing is that nobody in the world seems to care as much as when it was done to the blacks. Has anybody else seen that countries that are under black or people of colour's control is the ones with all the trouble? All the Super Power countries in the world are run by white people with a mostly white parlament.
    mj 3/10/2008 3:38:21 PM
    Come on Jon. Get off your boereperd. Having a forum like this is perfectly logical thing to do. But, having "blacks-only imbizos" smacks of segregation. EVERYONE should be able to take part in these imbizos or at least get a chance to listen in. Learning about each other's culture is a social experience not an exclusive experience . How can we move foward if there is no knowledge sharing between cultures?
    Point Blank 3/10/2008 3:38:33 PM
    Personally I am tired of all this racist talk. Everyone is to blame, no one wants to admit to it and so nothing will come of it. As for me, I just carry on boet I have no problems with anyone. If you want a black only thing then go for it, if white people want to get all childish then let them... god knows they will soon either leave or slowly realise that they just wasting their time and hopefully we will start to see a mutli racial society.
    Jack Buda 3/10/2008 3:38:54 PM
    The sooner all would be emigrants pack their bags and go to whence they came from the better.I used to think that not all whites are racist; now i'm a changed man ; i see them for what they are. The arm struggle should have continued ; we would be rebuilding now and not living with people who dispise us.
    Joe Average 3/10/2008 3:40:51 PM
    Even in Zim, with all the Whites fled out of the country, the Black man still feels oppressed. What is it with you lot ? Stand up, be proud, work hard and earn your living - stop being arrogant because you feel inferior ! The majority of black students in SA can hardly read, master maths or science but wants to lead corporates in SA. I have not came across a black man that does not have a underlying political motivation for doing anything !
    Richard 3/10/2008 3:41:08 PM
    Yes that is what I say the fact that I dont like kaffers does not make me a racist I just like white people better
    Japie 3/10/2008 3:42:08 PM
    I am starting a whites only rugby club, any interested parties? While we at it,lets start a whites only movie theatre, bus service, bottle store etc or a better , a whole town!...Sorry, but blacks will be kicked out, sounds familiar , say like 20 years ago ...! hehehe
    Black Problem. 3/10/2008 3:42:36 PM
    Typical African mentality, will not look for support or help from anyone outside there own community, and look where that is getting them.. absolutely nowhere. Just like they deny the fact that most of the technological advances came from Indian influence before the white man arrived in cape town, so do the black people deny that anyone but them can help themselves. John, you stand for everything black. I love you for it. bye bye now.
    Karen 3/10/2008 3:44:04 PM
    Why not channel your column into things that really matter? Racism will always be around as long as we are all painted different colours. It happens everywhere in the world. White people have to live with the sins of their forefathers -Black people have to live with the cruelness of the past. No one can change the past, we CAN change the future !! Pat yourself on the back - you are doing EXACTLY the same as the people you hate so much !! Sick of It !!!
    Cow-boy 3/10/2008 3:44:14 PM
    Now beleive this or NOT Jon those white journalists from both local and abroad ALSO fought for the freedom you and your comrades today enjoy. Why should they not be part of the solution now if they were good enough in the good old "struggle" days ? How can you even argue "Freedom of speech" and then say "We exclusive". Why do you WANT to exclude a part of the community ? Just because you and me don't live in a squatter camp doesn't mean we don't BOTH have friends there ?
    never was a racist before starting to read you 3/10/2008 3:44:34 PM
    You spurt comments attacking white people and calling them coconuts. You don't take hands with us like Nelson Mandela intended, but try to form black-only groups. You use comments like "No wonder this country is in such a mess!" but don't do something about it instead of posting provoking columns. Sure you're anti-white. Is this really what Nelson Mandela wanted? If so, #$%^ him! And #$%^ you then :)
    Mark - ex SA 3/10/2008 3:45:15 PM
    This is exactly why I am MANY others have left our beautiful country... This is so sad.
    Tabs 3/10/2008 3:45:33 PM
    ...most of respondents here are whites and therefore do not understand where we coming from, all they do is to support each other to make you look like a stupid Jon, unfortunately people who share same ideas don't even have access to this site to air them.
    John 3/10/2008 3:45:48 PM
    It all boils down to you being... well a complete idiot if you really believe yourself!
    Not surprised 3/10/2008 3:45:49 PM
    "we are keenly aware that the death penalty was always meant mainly for black people".. Jon you are a moron. Do you think that the death penalty being enforced worldwide is also meant exclusively for the blacks? I wish that you would open your mind, maybe do a bit of travelling so that you can maybe, by some miracle, rid yourself of your naive "victim" mentality.
    Tsietsi 3/10/2008 3:49:49 PM
    All coconuts who berated Jon for his article made me realise that SA blacks are not about to be 'free', not in the next 50 years.I can guess that most of them are those that live in 'whites' neighbourhood and with that they think everything is rosey. RUBBISH!! Whites keep on kicking u on ur teeth & u stil continue kissing their a*ses jus bcoz u attended the same school or varsity with them. I will agree with John that such people are brainless,hardly 13 years and everyone has forgoten. Shame on .
    Methuli 3/10/2008 3:50:42 PM
    Mr Qwelane, by any standards, you are not helping our country to achieve the dream that many of our people fought for. We need co-existence in our country and not fuel racialism, not by any means- not even covering by anti- and pro- prefixes. The truth is our constitution does not allow exclusion based on race. If the objective of the BJF is to advance the people of this country, any race would be happy to be part of that movement. What will we tell our children? Please use the platfotm to unite.
    Paul 3/10/2008 3:53:41 PM
    Brenda said it the best. How much longer can you blame such things as drug/alcohol abuse, teenage pregnancies and pollution on poverty? All of the above are results of poor decision making or laziness. Why are squatter camps riddled with pollution? Because none of the residents have the inclination to properly dispose of the waste.
    Ou topie 3/10/2008 3:54:19 PM
    Why do the readers react to this gentlemans racist ramblings ? The best reply is none at all. You will gain nothing by replying to this column and nif you all stop replying JQ would not generate any interest
    Tsi 3/10/2008 3:59:53 PM
    There is nothing racist about John 's articles. He is stating facts as they are. For all those black coconuts who find him racist together with their white friends who cannot handle the truth, i say we'l continue adresing these issues as long as they happen. We have just started and we have a long way to go.Time to kiss white's a*sses is over. For blacks who cannot handle it u r more than welcome to do what Michael Jackson did with himself.A budget can be arranged for the madness(plastic surgery
    SRP 3/10/2008 4:00:35 PM
    You know what Jon...we really don't need to indulge you...Other countries are falling over themselves for our(White South African)skills...We don't need to be here, but choose to be here for the love of the country and will carry on being here until the economic opportunities run themselves dry, which they surely will do, based on a 100% probability, going on other African countries...So carry on deluding yourself, you are so entertaining...
    stack 3/10/2008 4:01:04 PM
    This is the thrid week in a row I am posting this question hopefully it gets through this time... I am curious what are we to do to win here... Are we to leave (and be called racists and deserters joining the "chicken run") or are we to stay and build a great place for us all to live (and be labelled coconuts and meisies and racists)? Just curious
    aussie_here_we_come 3/10/2008 4:02:11 PM
    I want to thank you for your columns as if I ever regret emigrating, I'll look up your columns with fondness to remind my about why I left
    Fence 3/10/2008 4:02:18 PM
    We are. But then you can't expect change after only 14 years? That's what Black people keep saying to white people. So how about we get together and try? But I doubt it as Black people are too racist themselves to accept help from a white man.. and a white man is to racist to extend a helping hand to black people. So how about we go about our day like we use to, Black on one side and White on another. That way we out of each others way, see no more problems....
    Think Again 3/10/2008 4:03:03 PM
    The UN (International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, adopted in 1966):...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural etc (Wikipedia) Read exclusion and freedom! Not racist? o
    Will 3/10/2008 4:03:27 PM
    Just a quick fact.... 2000BC Moses left Egypt with a horse and carriage. 2000AC the Boere fled the English and moved up North with ox and wagon. That?s a 4000year history of the wheel. So in a period of 4000years, the "Africans" could not even invent the wheel, lol. I'm sorry, but in pro-white, and proud of it, lol.
    Johann 3/10/2008 4:04:30 PM
    Everyone needs to take a chill pill! JQ last time I checked - it's a free country - you may say what you want (even if I do not agree, I do not have to read your comments or arguments) - this goes for everyone! However, as we are building a nation together would it not be a good idea to include more people to tackle more issues? That's my question to FBJ. If there are problems affecting blacks why not discuss it openly and hear from all corners what could be done.
    White male 3/10/2008 4:11:58 PM
    Methuli is wrong. Our constitution protects the right of any two or more people to assemble to the exclusion of whoever they choose, based on criteria chosen by themselves. In doing so, however, they may not unjustly infringe the rights of others. If black journalists tell us they have reasons to assemble on their own, surely it is patronising on the extreme to insist otherwise? And that is what the torrent of politically correct maddness in this response column is - madness.

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