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Yawn
07/04/2008 09:11
Here we go again...pity the reporter who dares pick on one of JQ's cronies...remember Mama Jacky???? - hexen |
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Why the issue of race?
07/04/2008 09:11
Quote: "when he campaigned for the salary of a white secretary to be raised," What has her race got to do with the issue? - joquim |
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Answer me this please!
07/04/2008 09:11
Jon,
Please tell me how you implement transformation in athletics when it is clearly a individual and performance based sport. The fastest person is the best and should compete for his country. It would also not be apartheids fault of who is stronger, better or faster?
You speak of racism and transformation? How do you justify that there is no "transformation" in soccer?
You won't answer this, but just critisize me and call me racist. Don't because in doing so you become the liar. - Johan |
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Have we been tricked?
07/04/2008 09:20
I recall the time when SA sports were banned from international competition because of apartheid,the white players could not compete internationally,and they know it.Come democracy that was fought for by black people and they were allowed back into international sports,instead of thanking the present govt,they refused black people a chance to play "their sport" citing all kinds of funny reasons.The govt is not doing anything to help transform sport in SA,all they do is talk. - Godfrey |
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Transformation at what price?
07/04/2008 09:21
I believe that any position, from administrator to player, has to be awarded on merit basis and not on any basis of colour whatsoever. - Lee |
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Black leadership
07/04/2008 09:24
Black leaders in politics and in business are constantly under the microscope of the white media. Under hand tactics will be used to discredit black people in leadership roles. Hidden agendas, manipulation and marginalisation of their efforts becomes a norm. The sad truth is that those who leak information to the media, corrupt journalists and the so called "reliable sources" gets away with "murder". - Calvin Mkhize |
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Hope You Can Coach
07/04/2008 09:24
Why is ASA the only national body not to have a main sponsor. Because thugs like these ran the sport down the drains. Now that is transformation in your eyes Johnny... - Franky |
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Transform equals corruption
07/04/2008 09:25
Any sport which has to go through the tranformation that fools like you want. Why dont we rather develop at grass roots level then enforce transformation? - Roper |
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Sick and Tired
07/04/2008 09:25
Media's lack of responsibility in the battle of ideas is tantamount to betrayal when we talk about transformation in society. We have been duped into the belief that we as victims must be oh so apologetic. Look at the rugby! They've conned the "victim" to hold the oppressors's in pleading for a little representativity. I say, be firm, put our revolutionary stamp on transformation and do NOT APOLOGISE. There should be no excuses to transform and as for mainstream media,lets start a boycott campain - Cape Town Kid |
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Spot On-Jon
07/04/2008 09:25
The truth nothing else but the truth.. - Kolobe |
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Transform = Destroy?
07/04/2008 09:25
Jon, what is there to transform? Athletics SA is already well and truly destroyed like tennis and hockey and... Luckily we still have a few good (white) swimmers that perform despite (not because of) black racist admin. Soccor is nowhere and the efficiency in rugby is irritating the living doo out of blacks. What happended to the wonderfull black Springboks in the apartheid era, there were so many (Temane, Motsweratau, etc)? Boy, your objectivity has gone south in the last few weeks. - Mike |
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Comment
07/04/2008 09:27
I don?t know the full story about this ASA thing, so I won?t make a comment about that. But what really bothers me is your comment, that an informant must be named. Now every tom&jones knows, the first thing a journalist do, is protecting his sources. Clearly you are not for that, which is not really news, seeing that you are not really a journalist, just a poor little marmite sheep, doing what his Black Broeder Bond?s Base tells him to do. - padkos |
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Race
07/04/2008 09:31
It always comes back to race - While we are either black, white, coloured etc and all have different backgrounds and believes we need to remember that most importantly (Especially you Jon) that we are ALL South Africans - All this ranting doesnt help any of us - What it does is move us futher and futher away from "transformation"! Jon I appeal to you to please write something positive or maybe it is time for you and your destructive columns to leave this country - forgetthesilliness |
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Chuene's big toe
07/04/2008 09:32
I fail to see what Chuene's big toe has to do with transformation in Sport. i cant care less who he dances with. this is about sport being a major factor in the lives of South Africans and the administrators are mostly a bunch of wannabe politicians. Sport is about merit, not race!! - Charmaine |
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Transformation
07/04/2008 09:36
John, have you noticed what happened with Zimbabwe's national cricket team? The administrators got rid of all the talented players and now Zimbabwe is playing in SA's domestic competitions in which they are placed at the bottom of the log. You cannot exchange talent for transformation if you want to win. - Stormin |
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Duh
07/04/2008 09:37
I know that this is an opinion piece but just one fact would assist in being taken seriously. - JD |
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First seek ...
07/04/2008 09:38
to transform yourself into a great player and then only are you capable of truly transforming any game. Whether you be a white boy playing football, a black lady playing rugby, an indian youngster excelling in volleyball or a coloured girl being the swim champ. That is the right way to make it to the very top, not by handouts or re-organisation based on racial statistics. - Lee |
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Transformation in Sport
07/04/2008 09:40
Jon, Can't we leave sport alone to sort out its own issues. Let the different sports all do what they can to make SA once again the great sporting nation it was. Why do we need administrators and Managers based on colour? Give the job to the people that can perform. If they do great. If they don't - dump them and get someone else. We don't need transformation. We need winners. - Jim |
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Get Over It
07/04/2008 09:43
Why does transformation have to be an issue? Surely the best man for the job must be selected to best represent his nation? Is it better to show South Africa's demographics to the world repeatedly? Or is it better that we dominate competitive sports? People never remember the 2nd placers. Only the winners. We are all South Africans here. Being a non-black doesn't make you any less South African. - Sign |
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Transformation
07/04/2008 09:48
Transformation should be to give underprivileged people an advantage above others.For instance - pay for their sports gear like rugby or soccer boots,give them free training facilities,pay their membership fees at clubs,force top sportsmen to help with training once a week at underprivileged schools.Give these people a motive to come and try a specific sport,they already have the talent.If that was done 14 years ago, the whole springbok team will be black, and they WILL be the best players. - Hennie |
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Whay do I still read Qwelane's column?
07/04/2008 09:50
When I read the rubbish he writes I lose hope, just like Zimbabwean's lose hope when Mugabe carries on with his destruction! Jon, Jon, Jon, can you not add constructive (constructive = 'to build, to add value, to create..') value through the priveledged forum you are allowed? - TC |
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To those
07/04/2008 09:50
who are against transformation. Please tell me what is the best way of levelling the playing fields, since we know that for the past 50 years or so black were the under dogs. All what we are saying is let the stakeholders invest in the development of the disadvantaged groups by providing the necessary infrastructure. Again we are saying let the blacks who qualify on merit be given preference. Any alternative to that - Exodus |
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agreed
07/04/2008 09:55
I have to agree that journalists are often sensationalist, vindictive and slimy. However this is not a phenomenon unique to white South Africans. These kind of scandals sell papers so the "facts" are massaged to make up juicy stories. You should know full well about this kind of journalism Jon. As for transforming athletics- is there a need? Everybody knows that white people (particularly the English) are crap at athletics. If anything its us red necks who need assistance in that department - grant |
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sold out
07/04/2008 09:57
Jon has sold out. Just like the gutter press he writes for the sole purpose of sensationalism that invokes an outraged response. Why? Perhaps he has run out of anything really useful to say about anything
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hip, hip...
07/04/2008 10:00
WOW!! The way you carry on these 2 should get the Nkwe ya Gauta. Surely, you could have written something insightful about the recent elections in Zim. Transformation is making us lose our best players to overseas teams because they are fed up with this transformation crap. How many white players are in the SA soccer squad? A team should be representative of the best players in any sport regardless of colour. - Hein |
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Brutalise them with the truth Jon
07/04/2008 10:01
Nice one Jon. Your column has brought all the racists who are blatantly against transformation out of the woodwork, once again. This is one of the many reasons i respect you so much. Brutalise them with the truth Jon. We all know that most News24 users who contribute to these forums are white, but this has really proven how racist they are. I know you didn't mention any names when referring to the media, but the Sunday Times and Rapport are the two biggest villains in the media when it comes to being anti-transformation. I can understand Rapport's position, but the Sunday Times... Come on Mondli! - Bra Darkie |
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Politics have no place in sport
07/04/2008 10:04
Sport is competitive.Letting people compete who aren't the best because of "ag shame" motives is absolute nonsense.Any sport organisation has the responsibility to choose the best representatives irrespective of race.Transformation must start with children, which will ensure that there are high quality players of all races in future.Sticking someone in there now who doesn't deserve it is counterproductive & degrades the spirit of sport.There are good players from all races even now. - E |
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@ Exodus
07/04/2008 10:10
Believe it or not sir, that's exactly what us "whiteys" (who are not necessarily against transformation btw) say too. Yes invest in the "previously disadvantaged" development, yes do give the players who qualify on merit preferential treatment, more so if they are "black". But what we are against, is..wanna-be politicians in sport who are only there for their own enrichment...choosing somebody who's not as good as somebody else, purely because he's the right colour..develop, don't simply give. - J.O |
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Spot on
07/04/2008 10:12
nice article, however some class of the rainbow nation will NEVER agree with transformation, i dont know what help we can get for them. can anyone honestly say that the rugby team was representative of SA (being an african country), for us africans (blacks) it was an embarrasement, perhaps whites should try to see things from our perspective too and that is a fact, how can we sing rainbow nation when such nonsense bout merit, reverse racism is forever sung...sies! - LW |
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Tranform or leave...
07/04/2008 10:15
SA is an african country therefore the african identity must must be clear in all sporting codes. Soccer has transformed and it is clearly an african team with SA demographics well represented. The state must stop begging transformation and enforce it. Those newspapers and their apartheid minded journalists and players should just go to hell or leave our african country... - siza |
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You sir are the racist
07/04/2008 10:17
Jon you really are useless. Your arguments are emotive and without substance. I just have to remind you of our netball team to show you the joy of political change. Once we were a top three team in the world now we are happy when we beat Malawi. But then again results mean nothing does it? - Doorboot |
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Transformation
07/04/2008 10:20
There are still some white minded people who wants to hijack transformation or like in this case the white media trying to keep Chuene hostage.When the administrators are black,the white sponsors withdraw.What they don't know is that transformation WILL be finished by black administrators.Finish en klaar! - Mr Real |
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Transformation in sport
07/04/2008 10:24
Just a general comment on transformation in sport: if 'Previously Disadvantaged' sportsmen/women cannot be chosen on merit alone, then the system of empowering/training them needs to be seriously looked at. Choosing them on the basis of race alone does our country (and them!) the greatest disservice. - havoc |
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..loving JQ's columns....
07/04/2008 10:25
..always scan through the responses. Tells me more about the fabric of the SA society than about the issue on hand. JQ is usually out to stir emotions more than presenting well researched facts. Once again, well done Jon!! - Benzo |
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Transformation
07/04/2008 10:26
Definition - Continously benefiting black people in the cases where they are not good enough - Jon, you racist bastard!!! Rather write about Zim and the diabolical thievery of an election together with the blatant skulduggery the 400 whites left in Zim must now endure. You racist bastard!!! Also in SA we only have a democracy as long as the ANC wins. You are diabolical!!! - Lourie |
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JQ, you've got it.
07/04/2008 10:48
JQ. evn ordinary people can see how racially biased the media is. The problem with the white of this country, is that they don't believe that an African can lead them of do anything without them (whites) supervising or commanding. When they see it happening, they look for fault even where it is impossible to find them. They even go to extremes of sabortage. Transformation must be enforced period. Those who don't like it must leave this country. - Afriman |
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What happened to school sport
07/04/2008 10:53
Jon, while I agree with you that tranformations is not negotiable, I have a problem with the top down approach. I recently visited my hometown in Limpopo and was disguted to see that all the school ground gone. During my school days we particpated in interschools athletics,soccer, volleyball, netball, road running, karate, chess ,softball,debate well that about all we could do giving the facilities and we did this from primary days.This is where talent must be identified and nurtured. - Tebzano |
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Too funny
07/04/2008 10:59
Jon Qwelane lecturing the media about ethics. That is too funny! - Johno |
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Merit please, but....
07/04/2008 11:02
A fact is that if it weren't for transformation policies, Makhaya Ntini would've never played for SA, despite being a good bowler. At the time,he was the quickest bowler in the country yet the whites didn't want him in there and called him a quota player. When encountered with a political problem, then a political solution is needed! Viva transformation! - Athi |
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LW
07/04/2008 11:08
The attitude that you display is fairly short sighted. The world cup winning team is an embarrasment? Because the players were white? Its this kind of mentality that ensures Africa remains backward. You dont hear white americans complaining about the makeup of their basketball team- or african americans complaining about the lack of black faces in their swiiming team. Because they are a nation of winners- we are a nation of whingers - grant |
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Siza you ignoramus
07/04/2008 11:13
Siza - you are a beauty! You have proven the argument that transormation does not work. All your rubbish about the soccer team's african identity etc. WHere are they on the world soccer rankings? SA Soccer team is no. 71 in the world! And the Springboks who fielded the best (at the time)players? I'll tell you, just in case the Sun's blinded you - No. 1! And Jon, you are truly enjoy stiring the pot don't you? Why don't you try to reform your hatred of whites to something constructive? - Justin |
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Its about ownership
07/04/2008 11:13
Jon is such a bitter fool. If only he knew that the whole objective of sport was about competing & trying to win. The sad thing is blacks care more about ownership than success. Bafana Bafana is a brilliant example of a truly representative rainbow team. Its just a pity they don't care enough about winning. - Malcolm X |
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Bra Darkie - Brutalise the 'racists'
07/04/2008 11:17
Please take out the log of your own eye, before commenting on the splinters in the whitey's eyes. IF you are so for tranformation in sport, how come the amount of white folks in the soccer team is NOT representative of stats in our country? Why is it, that transformation is ONLY convenient if its to your advantage? - Sinudeity |
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Transformation is key
07/04/2008 11:20
Jon, you are spot on the issue of transformation. The elite group cannot be left to enjoy self made and protected privileges in the sporting fraternity. The argument of merit is far much shallow than a baby pool. We need transformation, or it must be enforced via legislation! - Thulani |
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The broken record again
07/04/2008 11:22
Jon, transformation is being implemented and often unfairly so. White players have been sacrificed in its name and some have left the country. Some non-whites like Gibbs are more privileged than their white counterparts yet still given a leg up. It should begin at the grassroots. As for rugby being an embarrassment because of the lack of Africans, some of the American teams are all black defying the demographics of the country. Nobody complains because it's based on merit. - Kahlene |
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JQ : Master of Ver-bore-sity
07/04/2008 11:23
So you get to use this pathetic little "column " to protect your rotten friends and attack your betters. What can we expect next? The Forum for Fikile Mbalula Apologists. The Saint Robert Mugabe Shrine to Real Transformation. You are a bore and a failed reporter masquerading as a journalist. Please Pack It In. Like bad yoghurt you give me the squirts. - Bokfan |
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Jon Qwelane
07/04/2008 11:29
another poor article. Generalisation after generalisation. If there is to be change, we as individuals must change. WE don't want ex-pats to bring our country down, why should we further allow JQ to constantly install negativity upon us. Are we not supposed to be helping each other during these times? is transformation not a long-term goal? and why do blacks who want change, start learning, training and writing intellectually instead of using the "big" words & passing the buck. JQ = pathetic - Grant |
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Topical issues
07/04/2008 11:30
Jon, although you often get my blood boiling, I always read your column with interest to see what is going to come from it. I would however like to see you write about the skyrocketing crime, hideous rapes, violent robberies, hijackings, Eskom problems and poor service delivery from government and municipal fatcats that we ordinary citizens are more worried about. Would just like to know... - Francois |
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non-racism = should not count
07/04/2008 11:31
Andre Nel is just a patriotic, loyal player, who want to give (and are giving) his all for his country.So called "transformation" which is masked as a "fight against racism" is openly denying him the chance because of (openly) no other reason than the colour of his skin.If the world is properly informed, the wheel will turn, because it goes against anything that made the international community support the ANC in the old days. - kwk |
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Tebzano
07/04/2008 11:36
Tebzano I agree 100%. If we can focus on development first, the talent will come through and both sides will be happy. All the white people want is for the standard of South African sport to stay as it is. They don't care whether you are black or white. Honnestly, that is the truth. - Hennie |
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True athletes
07/04/2008 11:39
From the comments and JQ's remarks I can clearly see there are very few athletes among you. I, as a previously black professional athlete, want nothing less than to be branded as a tranformation athelete. My sport is domminated by blacks, we don't need transformation. I hope the people responsible for transformation will one day see the injustice their doing to some black atheletes - SNkomo |
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utter rubbish
07/04/2008 11:46
I reckon if the media just stop publishing such rubbish and trying to get a response out of us it would be helping the cause already.
I all this tempers flaring is doing us no good. Lets focus on the issue at hand.
Lets try and kill the vermin that is killing us as South Africans. Crime and poverty are amongst the greatest. I am white born after apartheid ect ect. I dont want special treatment or anything lets just build a future where there is place for our children to grow safely. - WF |
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Jon the Don
07/04/2008 11:49
Jon, what a sad little racist you are. People like you dont want to transform SA into an all embracing rainbow nation. you want to get rid of all the white africans. you dont own this land or the choices of the people so find some other pathetic job - remember we are related as we come from the same gene pool - my brother. if you dont like the new SA, leave. i am sure all the other countries around the world want your skills, you could work for the inspiring people magazine! - Dianne |
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