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you forgot to say
30/06/2008 08:49
In your state of the nation, your neglected to mention that the chief justice is accussed of trying to influence the constitutional court to protect corruption accussed leader of the ruling party.You also forgot to say the ruling party leader is accussed of taking bribes, and that he uses every tactic in the book to postpone his court appearance.Surely these two situations are very serious,more so than,say,the SABC mess.This piece is not objective journalism, but a P.R excercise for Jacob Zuma. - kwk |
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This is our oppurtunity
30/06/2008 08:53
Thanks Jon. I think this the opportunity for us to now finally all regardless of skin color start to stand together. The government has only managed to widen the gap, but I am willing, and hopefully you are too, to see past our differences, and find our common irks. We suffer now from the same incompetence that is forced down upon us, and this could actually unite people. Let?s not ever drift into the crimes of the past regime, but together stand up against those who now first want retribution for themselves. - Johann |
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Shocked
30/06/2008 08:53
Wow Jon, two sensible columns in a row!!! You may be ruining your bad reputation.
I agree wholeheartedly - apartheid was better than what we have now. Even though I could not go into all the "whites only" places back then, my hard earned money was worth something - now all it does is pay the high interest rates and food and petrol. I cannot afford to live as I did during the apartheid years. - Jillian |
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Ja boet...
30/06/2008 08:53
We need people with morals, acumen and the desire to produce the goods to govern... if those people are green with yellow spots and orange hair. - Brandon |
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So...
30/06/2008 08:54
Good article - but who will you be voting for then? The inference is not ANC. - Frank Benjamin |
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I never thought it would happen
30/06/2008 08:55
I must still be dreaming.... surely I am going to wake up soon. I never thought I would be in agreement with you Jon. - alan |
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It takes a real man to admit he's wrong...
30/06/2008 08:55
and decide to vote for a better life for all... - hexen |
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Spot on.
30/06/2008 08:56
I never thought this possible two months ago, but for the second time in a row, I am in full agreement with your column. - Juan H |
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Competition rules
30/06/2008 08:57
Hi Jon, I am convinced that the problem is a lack of credible competition. Without the prospect of losing your job, you have no real incentive to do yours competently or legally. You can talk you like about it being a problem of war-time leaders ruling in peace-time (a la Churchill), but I don't think that's the full truth. - Azi |
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Told you
30/06/2008 08:58
Jon, your articles are now a focal reading point for me. Glad your bitterness and hatred for anything white is being erased by the behaviour of the current reigeme.Sad and worrying times indeed. See you at the polls. - Camel Man |
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Product of apartheid legacy
30/06/2008 08:59
I do not remember hearing black people saying life was better during apartheid other than in your inner circle of friends which you hang around with. We lost our brothers & sisters during the struggle against apartheid in the hands of the white security forces and your comment is distateful and way off the mark. Apartheid legacy has made an irreparable damage to your mind and I rest my case with you. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Penny
30/06/2008 09:04
Hi Jon, has the penny finally dropped. Hallelujah! Great article. Jon, the only people benefitting from :a better life for all" are the fat cats that were put into power by the poor, previously disadvantaged in a hope that their lives would be improved, as promised. However the powers that be have no clue as to how to improve things, except for their own benefit. SA wake up, and be like Jon and excute your democratic right and vote with next year, vote responsibly! - punter |
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Well said Jon
30/06/2008 09:05
Outstanding article Jon. I couldn't agree with you more. Let's get rid of the misfits in charge. I seriously doubt that there are ANY politicians out there that could do a WORSE job than the existing bunch. - George |
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Africa Leadership is K@K
30/06/2008 09:10
I'm a black African Male. But even I can admit that things are in shambles and that this is largely to the fact that my leaders, my people are bad leaders! With everything going wrong you get Julius Malema talking about killing. You get JZ talking about 'bring me my machine gun'. Ironically ppl are dying daily in SA and our leaders a talking violence where sense in this? A new uprising is looming in the horizon. Mbeki's term is too long for me and JZ is not the solution either! - Hero Nakamura |
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bitterly disappointed
30/06/2008 09:12
We thank you liberators for unshackling us from the slavery of Apartheid. But my next vote is for freedom from the bondage of your greed, corruption and incompetence... - grim |
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Glad you're voting
30/06/2008 09:12
I am glad you've finally decided to take that step. Even though we know the current 'order' will not be beaten easily, every vote counts at least towards giving other parties stronger voices and the current 'order' less ability to dictate. - Jason |
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Crime??
30/06/2008 09:14
You didn't mention the WORST thing about this country: Crime, and the fact that we have some of the highest crime-rates in the World. Simple solution:Get rid of corrupt Gov officials, and corrupt Police officers. Bring back the death penalty. Harsher sentences for crime, build more prisons, and don't pamper criminals. Not so difficult, if the ANC just really wanted to...The whole country wants this, just not the criminals in charge...normal? Money, just use the trillions of stolen Lotto money - VM |
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Jon Q
30/06/2008 09:15
Well spoken, yes i think we could all do South Africa a favour by coming out and being "heard" We really need a strong opposition that can stand up to this mob that call themselves the ANC. And to Calvin Mkhize, do us all a BIG favour and vanish from this site. You show the intellect of a rock. - John Camp |
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thanks jon
30/06/2008 09:15
Jon, you are slowly but surely regaining the respect you lost in this column. Your thoughts seem to be more rational and sensible. Well done. - konstabel |
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Will you publish this in the daily papers?
30/06/2008 09:17
This is now for all to see on the net, sadly very few of the voters out there have access to News24.com...... Publish this in the all the News24 sister papers and let us see what reaction you get. - ach |
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Re-Conolization
30/06/2008 09:18
Africa should be reconolizied, clearly the Africans have demonstrated they cant rule themselves.
So let the continent be carved up and administred by foriegn powers.
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Now we all need support
30/06/2008 09:18
Man, am I glad to see a black brother writing an article like this. You will however need to help with next years elections, 'cause I hear the people around me say "there is no alternative to the ANC", what should we as one nation do, we have rid ourselves of skin colour, but the government has not, HELP!!!! - djs |
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Jon,
30/06/2008 09:19
So if you are going to vote - for whom? For the opposition is only logical conclusion, as you have rightly identified shortcomings of ANC. Welcome brother to the side of reason. - Dan |
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Calvin Mkhize
30/06/2008 09:20
Apartheid was bad, but today things are worse. The ANC also murdered and tortured both blacks and whites (remember Quattro Camp). Its about time you look at the bigger picture. The ANC have failed and cannot run a country. We need a better opposition party. - dhv |
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State of the nation.
30/06/2008 09:20
Come on Jon, how can I say hateful, racist things to you if you right such articles.
For awhile now I've made the comparison between the ANC and the NP, I wouldn't say things were better under the NP but they were not worse, what use is the vote if your children are starving to death, what use is BEE or AA when you haven't got a job, what use is free education when the standards are so poor and shooting and stabbing is a day to day experience.
Mbeki didn't win no war, big business did. - Craig |
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Well said....
30/06/2008 09:21
Jon, sometimes you seem to get it completely wrong, but then at other times you come with insightful pieces like this one.
You clearly think about things and then make up your own mind instead of just following some party line. That I can always respect, even if I often don't agree with you. - Johan |
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Glad to hear you will vote again
30/06/2008 09:22
I read another of your columns where you stated you did not vote. I don't know if you are aware, voting and ruining your ballot is better than not voting at all. i.e. 50% ANC; 35% other and 15% ruined ballots shows a truer reflection of the nation than 65% ANC vs 35% other. Not voting gives the winner better numbers, even if they are distorted. - Silverza |
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@Calvin
30/06/2008 09:22
What the hell has apartheid got to do with this. It's been 14 years already. A hear (on a daily basis), black friends and colleages of mine say that life was somewhat better under apartheid. I've never seen apartheid as right in any way, the same as I don't see the doings of the current regime as right. Personally, if I was a black man, I would really distrust these freedom fighters who saved me from apartheid, only te deliver me into this mess. Is the current order worth the struggle? - Danny |
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Better than Apartheid?
30/06/2008 09:24
Yes, The ANC has bad leaders and as corrupt as they come. But u are insulting ppl when you say that things were better during apartheid. Id rather go hungry like Zimbabweans than be a slave and be marginalized in my own country; That I refuse. Just because someone is giving a slice of bread it does not mean they are your friend. Yes I had a slice of bread during apartheid, but those were leftovers of the wealth that my country oozes with! - Hero Nakamura |
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Jon is a mystery
30/06/2008 09:27
You, Sir, are a walking contradicition. On the one hand you openly support cries for the charges against Zuma to be dropped yet you decry the watered-down role of the judiciary. There are many more examples, suffice to say I take any of your ar5icles with a pinch of salt. - VLS |
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Ugh
30/06/2008 09:29
..you lost me when you said life ws better under Apartheid...shame on you! How can you claim to not lament the demise of the old order, but then still claim that things were better then? - VG |
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Agreed
30/06/2008 09:30
Something has to be done but I agree with Azi there isnt a credible alternative right now - the opposition parties need to form a coalition and they need to do it quickly!
Calvin - I personally know and have heard many many black people (even those who lost loved ones in the struggle) say that under the previous regime they were at least able to feed their familes and had far less to be scared of with regards to crime - not least because the borders were controlled! - stack |
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Voting for?
30/06/2008 09:30
Jon, I fully agree with your line of thinking but I am just wondering. We need a new order but who? Is the new order, in your opinion, JZ? OR, is it another political party? I have no idea who to vote for? Not one of the current parties and/or leaders could be trusted with the establishment of a better South Africa. - Andre |
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@ Calvin
30/06/2008 09:37
Calvin, you did loose your brothers and sisters during the struggle..but look at how many of them are dying now! DOn't live in the past..look into the future and what do you see??
Good article Jon. Your articles are much better when they are filled with a common thought, rather that a racial one. Keep it up! - Me |
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Who then Jon
30/06/2008 09:38
Nice honest piece. You could have made mention of the high murder and rape numbers too. Anyway, who to vote for Jon? Do you believe a man who is up for corruption charges is fit to run as President? No way! So that rules out voting for the ANC in my books. DA, ID, ACDP? Personally I think voting for the ACDP is the way to go because only the intervention of God will bring this country back on track. - Charl |
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Calvin Mkhize
30/06/2008 09:38
You lost brothers and sisters during the struggle. Well, how many people have died violently under the present government? I think a lot more! Wake up and smell the roses. You need to open your eyes to reality and stop justifying what's going wrong. I hope you see the light soon before it's too late... - Left SA |
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@kwk
30/06/2008 09:40
Please read the last two paragraphs again. The bit about "a new order altogether" blah. - mallencolly |
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Jon....
30/06/2008 09:41
Start your own party. I reckon you are the only one with the balls to take on the mighty ANC in their own back yard! If someone with a little common sense doesn't stand up soon we are all screwed. In SA all people have a symbiotic relarionship in that we cannot do without each other and the sooner people realise this the better. We may not all like each other but we need each other to survive and prosper. As it stands right now I feel like the ANC negotiated in bad faith all those years ago. - Mikey |
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Apartheid
30/06/2008 09:42
@Calvin et al, the thing about apartheid is, it was always about uplifting the white man (noble ideals), and oppressing the black man (or any other race in the general colonialism) was an unfortunate consequence. Still 100% wrong, but more misguided than evil. What the current regime is doing is based largely on pure hate and greed, for both black and white. And I HAVE heard black people say this, reminisce about the 'good old days'. Literally. - ramone |
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Honeymoon is Over
30/06/2008 09:44
I think the honeymoon from '94 is over, if we want a true democratic society that thrives, we all have to start learning to work for it and work together. To many of us sit in our fenced off homes and think that the troubles outside are someone elses problem untill we're affected in some way or another. We are all born of the same country, the one we so desperately need to join hands for. Nothing is for free and whinging and complaining will get us nowhere, excellent article again John - MSF |
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@Calvin
30/06/2008 09:46
What is JQ is saying that the socio-economic circumstances of the the avg SAcan is worse than it was pre-1994. Although the roots of the problem lies with apparthied the new government didn't stop the degeneration of the SA life but continued on its path. That although the ANC rescued SA from probably the worse time in its history they are no the ones to rebuild SA. I still feel education is key, fix that and half the war is won. - HVR |
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We can never go back ...
30/06/2008 09:49
But we MUST go forward. Jon, great analysis but we also need suggestions and a plan to go forward. I rate myself as a (rabid) Capitalist, with a conscience, something like a Capisocialist. Capitalism will pay the bills for the social welfare economy that we must build for South Africa to survive the next 25 years. The 25 years will help us break the cycle created by our past. We might not like it, but the wealthy must help pay the bills for the poor. How it will work is another column. - Excalibur |
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@John Camp
30/06/2008 09:49
What do you have against rocks? (haha) - The Truth |
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great article.
30/06/2008 09:50
I'm glad to see you writing articles with great insight, might just have changed my mind about you.. well done. - slammin jackson |
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@Calvin - you seem to forget - or just don't care...
30/06/2008 09:51
People are always saying how lives were lost during the "struggle". Do you ever consider that white people also lost lives during your "struggle". Our young men straight out of school were conscripted to the army not only to defend our borders (which you also benefited from), but also to keep the peace within our borders. Many lives were lost, not only of our army, but also innocent civilians who your terrorists, killed with their ak47's and bombs. So don't ever forget we had casualties too. - Karen |
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@ Calvin Mkhize
30/06/2008 09:51
Calvin, many black people I know said apartheid was better as at least they had jobs, a roof over there heads and lower crime rates. You talk about it like there was a mass genocide. I think you would have a different view if you were in lets say Rwanda or other Africa countries where blacks slaughtered blacks but I guess you fine with that. I guess it's not as easy to blame blacks as it is to blame whites. The people that benifited most after apartheid are criminals and that is a fact. - Jason |
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A leaf from World War 2
30/06/2008 09:52
World War 2 ended in 1945. Criminals of the Nazi regime have been sought without cease since then - and, when caught, tried. If found guilty, they have been incarcerated. Germany in 1960, was well on its way to taking its place as a leading industrial nation in the world. Forgiven but not forgotten, look what it has achieved. The Germans, of course, got on with the job of rebuilding their nation. We whinge, whine and blame every 'problem' on apartheid! - Terence |
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Calvin Mkhize - But during apartheid
30/06/2008 09:52
Xhosa and Zulu's were killing each other. Now we have black folks killing black folks in xenophobia. In our virgining democracy, criminal targets were white people, now everyone is getting massacred. One thing I can say about white people, they sure know how to run a country. - Sinudeity |
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Finally, 100% agreement
30/06/2008 09:53
Didn't think i would see the day.
Excellent, incisive, correct.
Who will you be voting for? I hope the major opposition parties will form an anti-ANC coalition, who can draw up plans that build a better SA for all, and finally says NO to both incompetence and corruption. - Phil |
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When and how?
30/06/2008 09:54
With the official opposition deemed to be a "white" party with a white leader who else is there for the massas to vote for? A split in the ANC is our only hope... - Franky |
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Bravo Bra Jon
30/06/2008 09:57
"Apartheid was better than democracy even if Human rights were violated & the Black Ppl were classified under The SPCA register.Bra Jon!You're trying to reconstruct your broken fanbase & must warn you that your potential targets are not fooled by your lack of spine either.I'm very dissapointed by your current piece while on the other hand never doubted your patriotism.I trust that You were just fooling around ...right..? - Les-Maada |
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Dreams
30/06/2008 09:58
It really is plain to see, that a new order is needed, as the current on is failing dismally. A new order with good values, and little tollerance for any crime or corruption. A new order which puts the future of our children first. A new order that forgets about skin-color, and works together toward making this the greatest country in the world. - Hoping |
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Respect & pride
30/06/2008 10:03
We all hate the evils you refer to John. Solutions are aplenty and eventually competent leaders and administrators will implement them. Building a young democracy is like the formation of a young child. The values and maturity of our ?child? will ONLY be measured to its sense of responsibility.We need common denominators to build a nation same as the child needs love,bread and self-respect.Hard decisions are needed to be taken.It wont be popular but future generations will be proud. - BF |
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Calvin
30/06/2008 10:06
We lost thousands of brothers and sisters during the boer war. But we picked up the pieces and carried on. When have you ever heard a white South African blame the english for anything? My family lost over 50 brothers and sisters in that war, yet we can carry on. Why can't you? - Viparo |
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@Calvin Mkhize
30/06/2008 10:07
Calvin. It is not just jon who thinks that.Carte Blanche did a story about the state of our nation a while back. The interviewer went into the townships, and questioned a man who must have been about 50. When asked what needs to be done for change the man replied that the national party needs to be back in power. When asked why, he said that while we were treated badly by the whites, at least we had jobs. Now if that isn't a bad indictment of our gov i dont know what is. - mo |
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Not about clour or prevoius regime
30/06/2008 10:13
It is well documented that things will go horribly wrong and disastrous for our country before we will see better days. The reason we based our election on colour, race etc, and only to achieve to vote the wrong people into parlement, that cannot produce the goods and very poor leaders, and dishonest on top of it. Hopefully we will go into the next elections betetr informed to elect people that got the know how to lead this country,for example Tokyo Sexwale, Matthews Phosa, Cyril Ramaphosa. - Graham |
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Gatvol
30/06/2008 10:17
I'm 27 and did not take part in the apartheid era.With this background I am still being seen as a racist in SA probably because of my accent and skin color so I am now living in Zambia amongst many black people that does not rape or murder. It is sad not to be able to live safely in your own country but at least I will be alive one day to show my children what mess SA was and laugh at the idiots that still voted anc 2009...hav a good year! - Don |
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Wow Jon
30/06/2008 10:18
I'm really surprised to hear you say things were better under the Nats. You really must have lost all faith. Glad to hear that you plan on voting again. Your well though out break down of the problems facing SA are refreshing. I really hope that the voting majority are able to make a possitive change in administration in the next election. There are capable black people out there , they need to take the lead and implement policy that will actually work. - Rian |
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Freedom fighters
30/06/2008 10:24
Nice article, good point about freedom fighters not necessarily being good governors, history proved this over again, you only end up with dictators, they don't fight for freedom, they fight for power! Power to the people!!! HA-HA, all of us fell for that one... - Luckyluke |
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Not convinced
30/06/2008 10:26
Well done Jon, you almost had me fooled. Had I not read any of your articles in the past I might have been impressed. Between you and I though I think we both know what you really mean and your selectively targeted criticism is ingenious if not border line propaganda and manipulating. Now had you included your mates at the ANCYL and Vavi's kitsch comments amongst the things in the country that are out of control, I may have been bought it instead of thinking you are once again pushing your own agenda. - Avukile |
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Alan and Juan.
30/06/2008 10:27
Nice to notice that at least the last two Bra Jon's columns you two agree with what bra Jon had to say. And it's so nice to note that many of Bra Jon's haters agree with him for a change. I only hope that when Jon start his racist bashing again you won't call on News24 to fire him because Jon never take sides but he bash everyone. He bash the Government BEE Eishkom SABC President Mbeki and everyone else and we all agree with him on this. But soon he aim his gun to the racist the hell break loose. - Vicort |
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The number of people
30/06/2008 10:28
killed by agents of the apartheid govt amounted to about 79 according to the TRC. How can virtually EVERYBODY have lost brothers and sisters? Or do you just use the term very loosely? The Nats ran the country competently, even though they applied their ideology wrong. At least they didn't see themselves as gods who had to travel in cavalcades. The African way of running countries inevitably lead to ruin, as evident to the north. If you want to save SA, get whites to lead the country again!! - Kenko |
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Humans are stupid
30/06/2008 10:30
All I have to say "It's not getting any smarter out there. You have to come to terms with stupidity, and make it work for you." - Frank Zappa - Vince |
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You are a sellout
30/06/2008 10:35
how can you say apartheid was better.. regardless of blunders the current govt is make but never justify crimes which where done to my people jack you soft ,baised...have one story and stick to it you trying to who the same people who hate you...in short you are a hypocrite - kaiser |
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VOTE FOR ISSUES NOT RACE
30/06/2008 10:35
The problem with the SA electorate is we vote along racial lines and not issue lines. It wirked for arch racist Mugabe and look at Zim now. SA voters must grow up and stop being so imprisoned by skin colour. - Phillip |
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And to make things worse...
30/06/2008 10:35
FIFA has a plan B just in case... - Godfrey |
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Change
30/06/2008 10:35
To ALL South Africans, reality is starting to set in. Forget Apartheid, blah, blah. Time to make some drastic changes people. Refer to article 'heading' to give everyone a cold shower.
"There is a Plan B for 2010 World Cup, admits Blatter". A stronger message to government you cannot find. Go Jon.
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@ Hero
30/06/2008 10:37
I'm off to Canada shortly, and Hero, you said you would rather go hungry..., your time will come, and like the rest of Africe you will stand begging for help... - Wynand |
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Misunderstood?
30/06/2008 10:37
I think some readers have misunderstood what you mean when you say things were better under apartheid. And I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. - lemming |
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True colours
30/06/2008 10:38
Hahaha Jon, it seems you're a coconut after all! Well done mate, keep thinking like a white man and you might become a credible columnist one day! - Johann Eksteen |
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Who to vote for?
30/06/2008 10:38
Don't all get too excited here. Jon may have inferred that he will not vote for the ANC, but he is such a racist, and a moron to boot, that he will probably vote for the PAC or SACP, thinking that they will improve the situation!! - GS |
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It is truly heart breaking
30/06/2008 10:39
It's wrong to say "apartheid was 14 years ago get over it" (such hurts take years to heal) but it's also wrong for those in power to say "they did it so why can't we". many people suffered and died for freedom. Now we are all prisoners in our homes. we fear our neighbours and have all become bitter. Leaders must not use the past as an excuse, but rather a benchmark to improve upon. They must hold themselves up to a higher standard of conduct and morality and strive to do better for everyone - heartbroken |
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all these problems are fixable...
30/06/2008 10:40
And I'd love to stay and keep trying to make a difference but when an 8 month old pregnant woman gets beaten to death with a brick for no reason.. That's where I draw the line. Something is seriously wrong with the inner workings of the people in this country! These forms for immigrating to Canada have been lying on my desk for months now. Today I'm filling them in! - 8 months pregnant |
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Life under apartheid
30/06/2008 10:40
What Jon menat to say that although they were both bad(apartheid and this regime)the apartheid one is the lesser of 2 evils.Yes, aprtheid was horrible, but this is horrible for all, moreso for Blacks than any other race. Whites and Indian will always survive as they had built something for themselves, but Blacks do not like sharing amongst each other and that is where the problem lies. They are too easily influenced by those senior to them. - Hansie |
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Goodness....
30/06/2008 10:42
It is painfull when populists like Jon justifies the torture and murder of our people with a platefull of food...losts in words..how can anyone justify apartheid?? - kolobe |
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Things were not better during apartheid
30/06/2008 10:48
If we are to convince the masses not to vote for the ANC then we should be very careful about the words we use, we can't be making statements like "things were better during apartheid", knowing very well that things were rough then, let's choose our wording carefully. - Thabiso |
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Lets carry on ...
30/06/2008 10:48
Foreigners from European countries, apartheid, democracy, etc. All these just interrupted the Zulu empire under Chaka. This was the best way of governance for us Africans. We admire Chaka and we are just carrying on from where he left off. Chase Mzilikazi, the Shangaan, the Twasna and anybody else who wants to be in SA as far as they can run. Let the best man win. No new order is required. Our ancestors died for Chaka. We will die for those carry on his legacy. - Monde |
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Where are the next generation of true leaders?
30/06/2008 10:49
The majority of South Africans will NEVER vote for a party perceived to be white(ish) or seeing to the needs of one particular group. Either the ANC needs to split up or we need our own Obama to come to the fore and take over from the likes of Zille. - Yam |
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Jon
30/06/2008 10:52
Hi Jon, I'm so inspired by your great read, I wrote you a thank you.
http://blogs.24.com/ViewBlog.aspx?__redir=1&blogid=95e77449-2135-46aa-bf23-71c565465fa1 - johann |
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Ugh
30/06/2008 10:52
Jon never say life was better under apartheid but he said "Believe me many people out there are saying life was much better compared to what we are going through right now" which is not his view or his word but what some other people feel. Have you thought that maybe those people who claim that they were better off under apartheid can be the people who were beneficiaries of apartheid? Of course I dont think people who suffered under aparheid can justify apartheid in anyway. - victor |
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One thing I know...
30/06/2008 10:53
I wont be voting for the ANC again. Not until they are made to eat their humble pie. This whole tripartite bears no significance in the democratic South Africa "Socialists+Capitalists+Communists". Makes no sense. The ANC is doing us more harm than we could have ever suffered under apartheid.Thanks ntate Qwelane, sensible column. - Thato |
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Good points
30/06/2008 10:53
Once again, have to agree with your article Jon. While I wasn't around during Apartheid, I can say without a doubt that the current goverance of this country needs to be reviewed and changed. We need leaders that have a general interest in the well-being of our Nation, rather than of their own pockets. See you at the voting polls.... - Brandon |
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AND WHO TO VOTE FOR?
30/06/2008 10:59
That is the question,since many black columnists and readers alike ,vowed they`d never vote for a white man.It makes sense why Africa is in such a state,despots and incompitent fools will always have their faces ticked on the ballot.Africans need a mind change which will see their deliverance from Mugabe and Mbeki styled leadership. - fatman |
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Jon...
30/06/2008 11:00
I appreciate with what a heavy heart you make this surprising admission...
Revenge and rape of our revered land - before the desparately poor, beloved children can cry, no more? How did we dare let freedom fault, and so slip their treasure and clasp?
What dear God, have we offended? - jenk |
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Church "Not sure"
30/06/2008 11:01
I think all sectors in the our SA society is corrupt, I personally think these churches are preaching the work of God to empower and enrich themselves by taking poor peoples monies, "You buy a new car, they praise god, you loose the job they talk about the devil".. Which means that our gorvement is the Devil which is killing people and the country, even ACDP. we need leaders who are dynamic and open minded.. my opinion they are all the same.. - my self |
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What are we doing?
30/06/2008 11:04
Mechanisms and processes we have to change the country: Vote. Give input into proposed acts when you have the chance (national health act is open for comment at the moment). Do not offer or take bribes. Do not buy contraband anything (including copying DVDs and CDs for your mates). Pollute less, don't litter, recycle, re-use. Report crime. Report police if they do not act on your crime reporting. Keeping my own house in order adds legitimacy to my moral stance and objections. - Thabo |
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No - Democracy is a mistake!
30/06/2008 11:06
Rather don't vote Jon. Closely contested democratic elections are a huge problem in Africa. The vast majority of the electorate cannot count past ten. Hence their lack of respect for the outcome of such elections. At the same time, culturally, rioting and killing is OK once in a while (if you don't get your way) and the elections are generally perceived as the ideal opportunity. - Horace |
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Change government while we still can.
30/06/2008 11:08
Jon I challenge you to have this article published in the City Press, or in the Sowetan. Even better: become a vocal campaigner for an alternative party among the illiterate masses (almost any other party will do, but a negotiated settlement will not). Until then I remain sceptical of your convictions, and will only believe that you've finally caught on to who your target audience is. - Still a believer |
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Colonialism and Apartheid
30/06/2008 11:09
It is time for every South African to start taking responsibility for their own actions, and more importantly, their own futures. Apartheid and colonialism (a new word learned from Robert Mugabe)is no longer acceptable excuses for our people and our leader's failures. At least thank colonialism for building South Africa from nothing into the most powerful country in Africa? For developing infrastructure, building churches, schools, clinics, power stations, grids, pipelines, roads and houses! - Vusi |
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Change
30/06/2008 11:15
Jon, I agree and disagree. Apartheid could not have been better for blacks...period. We need change, and it's not a matter of discomfort any more, it is one of survival. Minorities' hands are cut off, and unfortunately it is in the hands of blacks to elect good leaders. Where will they come from? Why will the majority vote for them? The question we must ask, is why are blacks still voting for the tainted we have as leaders now? - Francois |
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Let's look forward
30/06/2008 11:16
Calvin, Kolobe etc - can we please stop beating the dead horse of apartheid and look forward towards making this country fit for us all? Korea was under terrible domination from Japan from 1920 to 1945. They couldn't even name their children Korean names. 200 000 Korean women were sent to the Japanese army as 'comfort women'. I have been to Korea 7 times and never heard anyone complain about their past. They just got busy and built one of the world's most prosperous nations.A lesson for us? - doug |
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Paradigm shift
30/06/2008 11:22
I am impressed...for a change.
You have finally realised...
Colonialism regardless of British, Portuguese, French or Belgian robbed and still robs Africa of her dignity and her vast resources for their own countries progress.
Our own people-Government- are robbing us of our dignity and resources to satisfy their own greed.
Their is more shame and Disgrace in that.
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Good Reading Indeed
30/06/2008 11:44
I would like to know what you think of the Malema and Vavi comments made recently. What do you make of the statement itself and then Vavi's echoing the same thing the very next week especially after Malema came under such criticism. I suggest you dedicate next week's column to that issue.....please Jon. - Alf |
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Well Done Jon
30/06/2008 11:44
You have said as a black man, that which I have bee trying to say as a white man fo the past 5 years. You have my vote should there ever be a legitimate vote in southern africa ever again. Well done mate, - noctus |
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This thread is deaf
30/06/2008 12:03
We sitting here behind our computes are the lucky ones - 90% of South Africans and Africans for that matter still dont have access to clean drinking water - food - education etc. And yet they blindly support the masters of their distruction because of a hate built up for the colonialists - who without - africa would have been even further in the dark ages and exploited even more by the modern worlds of China, America and even Oz. Wake up people, we need each other, we need to learn from eachothr - David |
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@Calvin commentators
30/06/2008 12:05
Why is everyone always responding to Calvin? I have followed his comments for a while, he never says anything positive, and think it is still the 1980's. He also seem to believe that no black man has ever done any wrong. Lets keep the debate between people with valid points and solutions, not the whiners. And to you Calvin, its no longer Shaka who is ruling, you are allowed to differ in opinion from the leaders, its called, DEMOCRACY! - Afro |
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Can not compare....
30/06/2008 12:05
I think Calvin Mkhize has a bit of a point, I don't think you can compare pre-democray and post apartied. Cetain things were terrbile then, certain things are terrbile now. But I finaly agree with most of what you say Jon, its time to elect new leaders, who are not still part of the struggle, but part of the new South Africa - Natalie |
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