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yes 07/07/2008 08:34
Why not use our current stadiums for the world cup? Instead of building new ones, just upgrade the current one. Well I guess you cant tell a palooka gov that, can you? - Marc |
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Agreed 07/07/2008 08:36
We have things we need more than the world cup. Instead of looking only after the economy and commerce, perhaps government should start helping the people like they always promise to do. - Me |
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Zilch delivery 07/07/2008 08:37
Harsh words Jon but hey, the truth hurts. - Cotton Ball |
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World Cup 07/07/2008 08:39
Once agin you have hit the nail on the head, Jon, but unfortunately so much money has been spent now that we are lumbered and will be lumbered with paying for this for years - Patrick |
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Plan B 07/07/2008 08:41
Good comment again Jon, worth reading! Crime will be the deciding factor. As the first fans arrive and are robbed, raped and murdered the damage to our country will cost more than mere stadia. Plan B will cost us less in the long run. The tourists will be like lambs to the slaughter. - Birdman |
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Well said Jon 07/07/2008 08:43
I almost never agree with your comments, but love reading them and seeing the rise you get out of people. I must congratulate you on your article - I have often wondered what will become of these stadiums after 2010, and it's nice to see a person with the same thoughts as me! As for the Gautrain (which will be too expensive for me to travel on) I don't think that it will be ready for 2012 never mind 2010!! - Zee |
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Well said. 07/07/2008 08:43
Well said Jon, I agree with you summary of facts ands proposals. We've bitten off far more than we will be able to chew, given the current circumstances. Just one thing you forgot to mention...ofcourse the risk is there that games will be stopped thanks to load-shedding and forced power-cuts - Danny |
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Are you OK, Jon? Are you running a fever perhaps? 07/07/2008 08:45
Wow Jon, I'm impressed, but also a bit worried! For two weeks in a row now you have written something else than your normal racist ranting. You column is actually worth reading now!! Where does this sudden change in modus operandi come from I wonder? Is it some mysterious sickness that makes you smarter or are you simply facing the sack? - Johann Eksteen |
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agreed 07/07/2008 08:47
I agree - the financial gain of the WC goes directly to FIFA and its group of sponsors. The SA people may gain from some of the transport/road/rail plans, but certainly not from the event itself (apart from accommodation businesses) and definitely not from the stadiums - they will become white elephants, a constant reminder of how FIFA raped us, welcomed by our leaders. - agreed |
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Alterior motives 07/07/2008 08:50
Tax payers are catching the tab for Irvin Khoza's personal agenda.I would disagree with you if I did not see the alterior motives behind the stadiums being renovated. Orlando stadium is being revamped completely to house O.Pirates yet it wont be used for matches so too Rand stadium why are the stadiums that are actually going to be used for matches all running behind, because they belong to rugby unions who are still utilising them. This is utter rubbish really. - Transformed |
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PROPAGANDA (nothing but air) 07/07/2008 08:51
Jon your article is clearly based on propaganda and does not have any factual backbone. Why would MR Blater in on news conference say that SA is on track and that we are assured to host the 2010 SWC and in a following phantom conference say the converse. Jon not Cape Town, PE or Mpumalanga has proper soccer stadiums to stage our local PSL games - these new stadiums will perfectly accommodate that shortfall. We also at times use rugby stadiums like Newlands, Loftus and Elis Park to stage our local soccer matches this will not be the case after 2010 - these stadiums can also be used to stage local and international music concerts and also open it for both local and international rugby matches. These are the FACTS you failed to mention - be truthful in your reporting that is the ethical thing to do. - colin |
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Plan C 07/07/2008 08:54
In absolute agreement with what you say but you forget the hype, the parties,the bonusses, the chummy-chummy contracts etc. etc. and then afterwards the blame game. Just one question, will you apoint Jordaan as Chief Executive of such an undertaking? - Chris |
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PROPAGANDA (nothing but air) 07/07/2008 08:55
Jon your article is clearly based on propaganda and does not have any factual backbone. Why would MR Blater in on news conference say that SA is on track and that we are assured to host the 2010 SWC and in a following phantom conference say the converse. Jon not Cape Town, PE or Mpumalanga has proper soccer stadiums to stage our local PSL games - these new stadiums will perfectly accommodate that shortfall. We also at times use rugby stadiums like Newlands, Loftus and Elis Park to stage our local soccer matches this will not be the case after 2010 - these stadiums can also be used to stage local and international music concerts and also open it for both local and international rugby matches. These are the FACTS you failed to mention - be truthful in your reporting that is the ethical thing to do. - colin |
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Are you OK, Jon? Are you running a fever perhaps? 07/07/2008 08:56
Wow Jon, I'm impressed, but also a bit worried! For two weeks in a row now you have written something else than your normal racist ranting. You column is actually worth reading now!! Where does this sudden change in modus operandi come from I wonder? Is it some mysterious sickness that makes you smarter or are you simply facing the sack? - Johann Eksteen |
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World cup 07/07/2008 08:57
Whether you like it or not South Africa will be hosting the 2010 world cup tournament. The prophets of doom, the pessimistic and the racist bigots will eat humble pie the day we host it. We overcame the greatest obstacles such as apartheid therefore hosting the world cup will be just a walk in a park. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Jon 07/07/2008 08:58
Wow Jon! Very well written, and unfortunately very true article. - Eduan |
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Eish! Its true, sadly 07/07/2008 09:03
I have not been able to wrap my head around the purpose of the world cup and what benefits it has on the future of SA. I simply do not see any. I drive passed orlando stadium each day, it just does not inspire hope of a better life for my people.Interesting perspective. - BLACKsoWHAT! |
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Costs 2010 07/07/2008 09:05
How many cop cars could the 2010 Budget buy, how many nurses could it pay and how many teachers could it reimburse for delayed salaries. Or should the question be how many Mercedes ML500's could it buy, how many jet trips could it finance and how many Zulu palaces could it refurbish ?? - branden |
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For once.... 07/07/2008 09:05
I actually agree with you Jon. I think the ANC needs a wake-up call, and to realise that the whole world doesn't kiss South African butt because of our constitution etc. It's time they realise that other countries of the world will not send their citizens here to be mugged, raped, hi-jacked and murdered. SA citizens are a bit more street-smart, foreigners are not. It will be like taking candy from a baby for the thugs out there. Bring on Plan B indeed. - TruthBeTold |
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Bra Jon!Bra Jon !Bra Jon! 07/07/2008 09:05
You've been spewing forth a flurry of Bile for two weeks in a row now.I was expecting an article related to this,but one positive & encouraging phrases & with solutions to the obviouse challenges we're currently facing instead of heavy criticizm particularly from a journo of ya calibre!You don't think Africa deserves to host such an event..?Who are you trying to please Bra Jon..?You're not being yaself of late.Looks like the foreign currency is flocking inside ya pockets to carry on the mission! - Les-Maada |
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You amase me John! 07/07/2008 09:06
This very idea that you have just had is as old as the hills!! We those who chose to flee the country have been saying, why on earth does SA want the 2010 WC, don't you have more important needs ie, education and health to name but two. However the feedback given to our disagreement with SA getting has always been, JA julle klomp wit bliksems, jul gun ons niks. However if a black man said the same what would the comment have been???? PS make up you mind can a white man have the right to talk?? - Peter de Wet |
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Plan B 07/07/2008 09:06
It will be a sad day in SA when Plan B is rolled out, but then perhaps they'll wake-up listen eventually!!! - mb |
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Good Comment 07/07/2008 09:09
Hi, Jon this is indeeed an exellent article u have written.The present regime is here to make us suffer.It is unfortunate that people are not consulted when projects affecting them are undertaken.Keep up the good work. - I.M.Legong |
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Hitting it where it hurts 07/07/2008 09:12
Very well said. Someone has mentioned the simple truth. We are not ready. We do need better basic infrastructure. Improvements that will help the taxpayers of this beautiful country, not foreigners that comes over for a visit.
Well said Jon! - Jaco |
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What no backhanders? 07/07/2008 09:16
Hi Jon, one aspect you neglect to mention is the ubiquitous opportunity for a few select individuals to ammass vast personal wealth during this process. 2010: cost overun at approx 4 billion and Gautrain approx 10. Exchange rates really do have a bite on everyone you know, nudge nudge wink wink...... - Frank |
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World Cup 07/07/2008 09:20
Exactly! - jay |
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Well said 07/07/2008 09:22
I couldn't have said it better myself, Jon! I'm apparently not the only one being a bit pessimistic about the world cup... - Griet |
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We need to remain positive 07/07/2008 09:23
We need to remain positive that we will host a great World cup tournament. We have been granted the opportunity and our collective contribution is vital in ensuring that South Africa does not fail. For me the plan B statement simply serves as an encouragement that we need to speed up our efforts and remain committed to the course. - Jongizizwe |
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disaster 07/07/2008 09:31
i totally agree with you we need to recruit a disaster managment team not for earthquakes,floods ect but for crime that the 2010 is going to create.i am sure that crime bosses are working just so hard planning for the world cup as the people planning the word cup. - sam |
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Indeed 07/07/2008 09:33
I can't usually agree with the racist pieces you write, but this piece speaks the truth. People are building castles in the sky about the boost the World Cup will provide to the economy. I wonder what all these stadium are going to be used for once the World Cup is over. It's going to be an utter disaster at the rate things are going. Luckily, I don't plan to be around and will be watching from a safe distance when the hordes descend on the crumbling Gauteng transport system. - Yawn |
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Fully agree!!! 07/07/2008 09:33
JQ, WC is a four week tournament and running water, proper sanitation, electricity etc. are a lifetime basic needs of SA masses. The hosting of WC is costly and we are busy with building of stadia "only" for one game that's it e.g. DBN for semi-final. Look @psl games and tell me who will fill such a huge stadia. PS: I am black and unemployed!!! - Tomas |
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I am shocked, another article not race based.. 07/07/2008 10:37
I am now enjoying your articles, it seems that whenever you make sense, you have less responses, which is why I think you write rubbish sometimes. Don't get me wrong I liked your article but I am expecting the next one to come up soon and for your true colours to shine again. Ah the pessimist in me! - Realist |
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2001 07/07/2008 10:37
Plan A or Plan B - either way the over-burdened South African taxpayers, also referred to as the men in the street or the people on the ground by the high-ups, are going to be the biggest losers. The connected few have lined their pockets already and will keep on doing so regardless. - S |
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Take it Away FIFA 07/07/2008 10:46
Why FIFA has not cancelled it already is beyond my comprehension, when the government of one of the most violent societies on earth - where babies are raped, pensioners murdered for a cell phone, and an elderly couple only last week hijacked and shot to death at a freeway toll-plaza - is not only unwilling or unable to tackle this carnage but also, by its silence, condones the brutality of the manic despot to the north of us. Cancellation of the cup might just begin to send the right message! - Peter |
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PLAN B 07/07/2008 10:48
Well spoken Jon - A pity that we have already spend so much money on the "super Stadiums" - but then again we are becoming experts on how to waste money on things other than improving the lives of the ordinary citizen in this country. SAFA might even invite mad Bob to open the games next year - in Africa anything is possible look at the elections in ZIM!!! - Chris Pieters |
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World Cup 07/07/2008 10:49
I also questioned why we wanted to host the world cup when there were so many more pressing issues to spend the money on. However, now that we are this far down the line, I really hope that Plan B is not necessary and that we can host it successfully. Incidentially, will the "organisers" have to give their bonuses back if we don't host it? - Jann |
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Well done! 07/07/2008 10:50
Nice to read - well done Jon. I agree with this article and i am glad to see the absense of anything racial. Our country should scrap the 2010 world cup and give attention to the more pressing matters. FIFA should let a country that has the stability and infrastructure host the cup. - Hein |
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Agree 07/07/2008 10:52
I totally agree. We need the money to build infra-structure to assist the population. Not to impress the world. Thanks, good article!! - Skeptic |
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Pessimism vs. Optimism 07/07/2008 11:01
A fact that always interests me about these forums: Comments from black South Africans are always generally optimistic and very pessimistic from the white South Africans. Why is that? Is it because white people really would like us to fail in hosting this world cup? I'm not saying we do not have problems in this country but hell please try and be part of the solution. Something to ponder. - Hoven |
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Fact based assessment 07/07/2008 11:02
Thank you Jon for a fact based assessment of the situation. - GKT |
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Quite right Jon 07/07/2008 11:12
Holding the WC2010 in South Africa is detremental to the wellbeing of millions of people - all that money wasted on self-glorifying stadia and expensive tourism-infrastructure which could have gone to build good homes and lay on reticulation systems for the poor. It will also be highly irresponsible to let the WC2010 take place in South Africa: it would be like leading tens of thousands of lambs to slaughter once those well-funded foreign footbal fans and -players arrive in the country. - Adriana Stuijt |
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White elephant stadiums 07/07/2008 11:16
...and H. Zille of the DA was the only one with guts and savvy to question the building and long term viablity of the white elephant stadiums. Even the Premier of the W.Cape nearly had a fit about the 'unjustified delays' in having it approved by the Cape Town Local Authority. John,reading just now that 10 000 are homeless due to the floods in the W.Cape, this is something to ponder in 2009 when it is election time again and you cannot decide where to draw your cross. - MARIO |
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No plan B or C ... only plan A 07/07/2008 11:17
Mandela never had plan B when the old regime did what they did to black ppl;hence no revenge was put into effect "Plan B", only plan A was the solution to re-unite and create a new rainbow nation;now you hear this dim-witted individuals like FIFA about plan B,even if we we don't make-up the grade as previuos host(germany)...we need to learn from this twenty10 WC seeing that we did with apartheid; - mde |
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haters 07/07/2008 11:18
The world cup will benefit this country no matter what, any how Jon if your name was david Bullard you would be strung up for treason. Your negativity is incredidible , how do you close your eyes at night?? - laurence |
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Typical 07/07/2008 11:31
The state is made for man, not man for the state. ANC understands only the latter. If ANC could actually understand that being in govt means the state provides for its citizens, and is not supposed 2 be ridiculously lucrative 4 mp's, then we wouldn't have these problems. But politics seems 2 be the new business 2 get into if you cannot do anything on ur own. The content of Jon's article is paramount to this point. Where is their foresight? R they able 2 plan more than a day in advance? a shame. - Greg |
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Too late for that 07/07/2008 11:31
The money has already been spent, do you want ust to end up with no revenue from soccer lovers and mounting costs? How is that going to help the poor, i say its too late to wish for 2010 to be taken away from us, the money has already been spent. I wish people who always preach pro-poor would think for once! - Mamamia |
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...Even more Interesting! 07/07/2008 11:57
Wasn't Francois Piennaar bidding for SA to host the Rugby world cup again in 2011? Did we hear the same doubting Thomases? To all of you who commented above ask yourself this: Does my wish for the Soccer World cup to be taken away based purely on genuine concerns or prejudice? I am waitning for your response? - jojo |
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Jon Qwelane for president 07/07/2008 12:01
Well Done Jon, someone willing to tell the truth as it is! For all of you who felt shocked by these Jon's wake up and see the reality of the situation, while you sit at your computer sobing over Jon's bad words, millions are sitting without a roof over their heads! wake up! It is unfortunate that had Jon Qwelane been John smith, he'd be strung out as an unprogressive racist, but at least he's got balls to throw the real world into those PC and dreamers faces!
With love from China... - Rory |
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First time I agree with you 07/07/2008 12:12
Usually when I read your columns I get angry and totally disagree with your point of view, however today I totally agree with you!Perhaps if 'Plan B' came into effect our government would wake up address issues such as crime and infrastructure and see that they are problems that need to be dealt with!If international countries see these things as major issues then the government should to! - Anon |
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