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Max you beauty!
04/04/2007 08:56
Go boy, go! I am an "el whito" who is treated pari pasu with every other person with a white skin despite the fact that I (and most other whites) had no part in what we will be blamed for the next 700 years. It is about time the world opens its eyes to the inherent problems faced in Africa and dismiss the colour or origin of the parties involved. The more I am blamed and punished for something I didn't do the further I drift from reconciliation. Hopefully the real racists will still be uncovered. - Tuffy |
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'Take a stand on Zimbabwe now'
04/04/2007 08:58
From where i stand i think that's what the goverment is doing at this point in time,people must remember that the anc itself is playing a crucial role with zanu pf officials to try and give advise on the way forward.The unfortunate part of the suffering of the zimbabwens citizens is that we have an opposition party that seem to be to much corncen about being in power themselves,i hope that all parties involved should put their effort in trying to stabilize the country problems e.g poverty - Mbongeni |
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Well said
04/04/2007 09:04
Max - that is well said - We do not know what is happening behind the scene, but Mr Mugabe is very willing to make public comments - are we as South Africans not also entitled to at least get a view of the actions being taken to solve the gross human rights violations happening in Zimbabwe? Or have we been told that silent diplomacy is South Africa's answer? And that there is no more to be done? Sooner or later blood will be spilled and it will be on the hands of our leaders. I am not proud... - Cornelis |
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Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 09:08
Is there an element of double standards by our government. - Trevora |
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The way forward for Zanu PF
04/04/2007 09:16
Mbongeni, have you lost it? How can anyone not see that Mugabe and his chronies in Zanu PF are in it for themselves? They symbolise what is the worst in human kind! There is no way forward for them, they are not interested in anything but self preservation.
Regarding the opposition wanting to be in power: I can't believe you actually made this point! This is how democracy works!! - Tsiko |
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Take a stand on Zimbabwe now
04/04/2007 09:17
I can only agree with you in expressing my concern for fellow Africans that are being suppressed by an evil tyrant, while the SA Government appears to condone the oppression by not expressing sufficient condemnation of the actions of the Zimbabwe Government, and in particular, the actions of Robert Mugabe. - John McGinn |
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Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 09:28
Mbongeni, get a life! What has our opposition party have to do wth this? They are just as appalled to what's happening in Zim as the rest of us. What's happening in Zim has very much to do with whether people her get work or not because at a rate of 49000 crossings a month it quite onvious as to why there is no work vailable in SA, hence poverty is high. Getting Zim sorted will in effect relieve poverty here as well as theft related crimes. - Eric |
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'Take a stand on Zimbabwe now'
04/04/2007 09:28
We were entertaining a diverse group of 7 different nationalities at our home in Dubai recently and happened to tune in to Al Jazeera news just as the live crossing to the SADCC meeting took place to give an update on the Zimbabwe issue. We hung our heads in shame as Mugabe made his triumphant exit out of the meeting - fist in the air - beaming ear to ear with the full support of ALL the African leaders present.
We had no response to the comments that flooded our living room thereafter.... - David |
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zimbabwe
04/04/2007 09:29
people think that the chinese like mugabe and the zanu pf but the truth of the matter is that mugabe is used as a prop to despise the west. especially the USA and UK. I Wonder when the old man will wake up to find that. another thing is that china is setting its destructive eyes on the poor country scarce resources. wasnt mugabe ashamed when his so called friend from the east visit african countries but exclude him. - TINYIKO CHAVALALA |
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The African way
04/04/2007 09:32
Do not be dissapointed with our goverment! This is the African way!!! I can tell you how things are going to turn out in Zimbabwe.Mugabe is going to flee in the end probably to South Africa or some other country where he stashed away most of his countrie's money and live hapily ever after.Zimbabwe is going to be left in ruins with warlords running the show.This is a pattern that has played out in Africa for years and years.It is the African way. - steven |
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The USA and UK: Why the dont shout about ZIM
04/04/2007 09:35
THAT IS VERY CLEAR FOR EVERYONE TO SEE THAT MUGABE IS OUT OF LINE BUT NO ONE WILL TAKE A STAND BECUASE THE COUNTRY IS SO POOR. THE USA WONT GET ITS OIL AND THE UK WONT GET IST MINERALS. MUGABE CAN STILL CARRY ON HIS DESTRUCTIVE LEGACY. THE TWO SUPER POWERS HAVE NO TIME TO FIGHT POVERTY STRICKEN COUNTRY LIKE THAT. SO GO ON OOM MUGABE NO ONE WILL TOUCH YOU - TINYIKO CHAVALALA |
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SO Well said Max
04/04/2007 09:39
Couldn't have said it better Max. I also demand my president to stand up and be counted. SA is the one country that can and must make a difference to the pitiful and sorry state that is now Zimambawe. It is a shameful fact that our president and the ruling regime sit back and say and do nothing. Perhaps continued egfforts by our Trade Unions and their show of dissatisfaction may perhaps wake up the sleeping SA rulers....or are they perceived to be a threat!!!! - Dave |
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S.A can play a bigger role.
04/04/2007 09:40
It has become abundantly clear that whatever strategy African Leaders, especially S.A has been using, has NOT helped the people of Zimbabwe.Instead, the situation is getting worse. If the president and his comrades in SADEC, are serious about assisting ZIMBABWE sort out her domestic problems, they would have done so long ago. The outcome of the recent summit they had, has put a shame on Africa, very undecisive. - brian |
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Take a stand on zimbabwe now
04/04/2007 09:41
Mbongeni im very disapoint to here such a comment about the opposition in Zim being concerned about nothing but being in power,but i will challenge you to logon to this website and hear for yourself what the people of Zim are going through because of Mr Mugabe's forceful ways to remain in power at what ever cost.please logon to zimonline.co.za im sure you will be totally disgusetd at what our fellow brothers and sister are going through while we sitting and watching. - Lynn |
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Too late now, Maxi boy!
04/04/2007 09:45
Ha ha...Now that the whole world's attention is focused on Mugabe's madness, everybody jumps on the he's-so-bad bandwagon. Pr Mbeki feels their pain and Max is ashamed. But all for naught, the fat lady has toi toiyed! - knorrig |
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Take a Stand on Zimbabwe Now
04/04/2007 09:46
When the opponents of apartheid were beaten and imprisoned the ANC led the universal outrage. When Mugabe does this he does so with impunity. It is ridiculous to blame the opposition in South Africa for this, as ridiculous as it is to presume that when manic despots rule, stability and prosperity follow! How silly to blame the opposition in South Africa for the blatant abuse of poor Zimbabweans. - Peter |
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Mbongeni
04/04/2007 09:46
Eric and gang , you totally misunderstood what Mbongeni is saying.He has a point about the splitting of the MDC revealing an obsession with just wanting to be in power than anything else.However this seem to have changed lately, with a sign of solidarity between the two factions - wiser |
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The hidden agenda
04/04/2007 09:48
Could it be that our government have similar plans. Will Thabo Mbeki be in power for the next 20 years. And how will his government react to real opposition? The African way does not tolerate opposition. - Andre |
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Proud to be South African
04/04/2007 09:49
I am very proud to be a South African, at least my elected government is not out to fill their own pockets with gold, but instead have the interest of the nation at heart. NOT !!!
Look at Africa; it has always been take what you can for as long as you can and to hell with the other tribe. And if you don't like it, you can leave. Africa?s only answer is recolonization.
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The blame game
04/04/2007 09:50
Eric you don't surprise me at all.We South Africans... we love the blame game.It's so much easier to blame the Zimbabwean situation for our crime and unemployment , and yet before the start of Zim problems(year 2000) , we still had the worst crime in the world and unemployment was still high.Guess what... back then we used to blame it the Nigerians - Deon |
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We are not fooled!
04/04/2007 09:52
Are we to believe that white South Africans, the vicious racists, who have oppressed Black South Africans for over 300 years, now feel a genuine ?compassion? for ordinary Black Zimbabweans? Hell No! Their only concern is that of the position of the racist white ?Rhodesians? ? this is the real reason you scream ?Oh Zimbabwe? from the rooftops! You so desperately want President Mbeki to openly criticise Zimbabwe, for in your minds, it would be a tacit rejection of the land re-distribution policy. - Ric |
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What to do?
04/04/2007 09:56
And I agree with everything you said, but what can WE do? - J |
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COMMENT ON YOUR ARTICLE
04/04/2007 09:58
At least Max you deal with the truth! Thabo Mbeki can not hide the fact that he favours Robert! There is a saying: "You can hit a dog only so much, then he will bite you!" The unfortunate truth is that innocent blood will be spilled then! - Spike |
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The Zim embarrassment
04/04/2007 10:01
What gets me down as a "white" South African, who shares Max's shame for Apartheid, is that we are moving backwards, becoming known once again as a country that does not respect human rights, nullifying the wonderful work of Nelson Mandela and others. - Andre |
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'Take a stand on Zimbabwe now'
04/04/2007 10:12
Well said Max. Mugabe, in the eyes of SADEC, is seen as the ultimate hero. He had the guts to put the ?whites? in their place and take their property. This is something that the ANC wished they could have done in S.A. Mugabe and the ANC are blood brothers and birds of a feather that made a pact in the bush never to forsake one another. The ANC, the so called champions of human rights - remember the torture, rape and murder in the ANC camps in Tanzania, Zimbabwe and Botswana? Now, what do you expect? - Dan |
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Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 10:16
Max, I think you have got it all wrong. Mugabe has played and manipulated Mbeki thus making our president look like a fool. Mugabe has been the more sophisticated.
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WHAT??
04/04/2007 10:32
EXCUSE ME RIC. you are so wrong. I am white. But before that I am human. I care about ALL human suffering, what ever that persons colour. I'm SO sick og hearing all whites are racist. Exactly what do you base that on? When there are more whites in this country that help people (any people) than racist white people. When you cant except that we are not all racist you yourself are being racist. How did a discusion about the terrible things being done in Zim become an issue of race? - Natalie |
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Wisely diplomatic
04/04/2007 10:41
I never really understood why a leader like Mr.Mugabe can keep the favor of so many citizens while he acts the way in which his party (he) does. Then the other day I heard one of his ministers comment that it's mostly about the land reform issue, why sanctions were placed upon them... South Africa just wisely decided to deal with this same land issue in a more diplomatic way and avoided the same fate. Mr. Mugabe however decided he'll go straight forward with it no mater what the costs. - ElectroMan |
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Why doesn't Mandela help Zimbabweans?
04/04/2007 10:48
Where is Mandela now? Didn't he get a Noble Prize for Peace for confronting exactly what Zimbabweans are going through? Ag..what's the use! It is as Albert Brenner said, Africa has no conscience! - hans |
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Africanism
04/04/2007 10:51
The world sees Mugabe as a tyranny. His goverment oppresses the ordinary Zimbabweans and seems there's no hope at all. Mugabe will try to cling onto power as long as he lives for a mere simple reason - fears facing prison. Once Mugabe relinguishes power, then his replacement will try to punish Mugabe for the atrocities he has committed. I would not start pointing fingers at our government hastily because I have not seen other African states commenting about the Zimbabwean situation publicly. - Tiger |
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WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, MAX?
04/04/2007 10:51
To you and everybody else who help put this ANC government in power, what did you expect? Did you really believe that their actions would be so different to the rest of Africa? Why would South Africa be any different to the norm of corruption and human rights violations etc. Think about all the violence towards woman and children in our country. I am also ashamed to be South African. Zimbabwe being just one of the reasons. - LM |
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Diplomacy
04/04/2007 10:59
Pres Mbeki is in a very difficult position.I watched Pik Botha on an e-tv debate and he said people who criticize Mr Mbeki ,just do not understand how diplomacy and relationships with other countries work.He basically said even though it looks like nothing is being done,behind the scenes a lot is happening.He gave an example of how the US and UK were exerting huge amounts of pressure on the apartheid government, behind the scenes , even though non of the presidents OPENLY criticized PW Botha - jeff |
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Bob & Co...
04/04/2007 11:04
Most of us plan to retire or want to retire at age 60 or 65 from our employement to enjoy our senior years...but in Africa (Bob & Co), at this age want to wage war against their own people...why is that? The root of all evil...Power & (More) Money! - Naz - Naz |
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Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 11:06
After reading all the posts it becomes clear that most people only react to what they hear on the news without realy knowing what the situation is.
Zimbabwe is poor at the moment. Their economy is down at the moment and will continue its downward spiral untill Mugabe is relieved of power. But to say that Zimbabwe is a poor country is way off the mark.
Zimbabwe has a welth of minerals that if managed and used wisely can make them one of the richest countries in Southern Africa. - Adrie |
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Manipulative Mugabe
04/04/2007 11:15
Ralph, I agree that Mugabe may, behind closed doors, be manipulating Mbeki and making him think that he has got a plan to re-construct the ZIm economy and maybe that the plan is still underway. Maybe he has lied and twisted Mbeki's arm. We don't know what happens behind closed parliamentary doors. A part of me is convinced that Mbeki has tried & like the manipulative partner in a relationship, Mugabe has led Mbeki to believe that things will change. That's very naive of Mbeki if that is the case! - Toni Brack |
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USA and UK
04/04/2007 11:17
Why do people feel the need to blame the USA and UK for not sorting this mess out? Blame Russia! Remember Mugabe is a Marxist idiot whose only way of doing things is through propaganda and deceit. One only needs to look at Rhodesia. Remember that the same Marxist illegitimate children are sitting in the ANC! - Chris |
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Africa
04/04/2007 11:19
Mugabe is the only president that speaks out against the west and the way they want to crook everyone. The west has a mentality of 'if you don't jump to my demands i'll make you suffer'. the west always wants to flex their financial muscle. Africans will always be at the mercy of the west cause hell break lose if you say something their disagree with. South africa with its democracy has a majority of black people suffering anyway. 96% of the countries wealth is owned by the west. Need i say more? - Concerned |
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Take a stand on Zim now.
04/04/2007 11:24
I don't know what all of you are going on about - this is Africa, run by Africans who haven't a clue what they are doing. They are all in it together and not one of them gives a continental about their people, not even our lovely Thabo... - Amanda Stonehouse |
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The epitomy of Africa
04/04/2007 11:32
Zim is just the epitomy of Africa.. A country is colonized, The country gets free , The hero Leader performs wonders the first decade or so,whilst milking the economy to death. All of a sudden he becomes villain when the economy is plundered.Personally I don't have faith in MDC as well coz they have NEVER come up with a concrete way forward except to topple Mugabe, then what?More Plundering..Africa's' woes. - Mjavas |
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Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 11:40
What are human rights? Even George Bush violated them but he is still in power? Its funny how everyone sees things from their own point of view. CNN & BBC report on the war on Iraq. How ironic? USA & UK are the countries that invaded Iraq. Majority of people in this world are too stupid to know that things are not what they seem to be. South Africa will report news the way the white editor sees it. There are always powerful people pulling the strings. - Concerned |
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A few years ago - remember the pictures...
04/04/2007 11:47
Remember Thabo Mbeki in Harare, being led by the hand like a naughty little boy. Mugabe was parading him on a red carpet for the camaras of the world to see. And, of course, our Thabo obliged.
Another one, remember Jacob Zuma on official visit to Zimbabwe, with Robert Mugabe sitting on a fancy 'throne' and our Jacob swooning and clapping hands as he approched his great 'master'. Again, it was all there for the camaras of the world to see!
We are all fools, being led down a path of ANC lies. - TC |
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we beg you mbeki
04/04/2007 11:48
Mr Mbeki i beg you in the name of God to intervene mugabe is as bad as he is tyranical .he employs all sorts of evil ways to stay in power even to the extend of going to the traditional leaders who are capable oif hypnotising all the african leaders who are within reachin of his foul smelling breath - cash strapped zimbabwean |
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Amanda Stone-daft
04/04/2007 11:51
Yeah right , I guess the IMF ,World Bank and all these major global finance companies are wrong in saying South Africa is amongst the fast growing economies and a place to invest...and you Amanda and your clique-of-disillusioned-disoriented-demoralized-lovers-of-the-old-world are correct.Right? - jeff |
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..and one for Max himself
04/04/2007 11:51
Max, I am glad to see you on News24. I hope this will keep you busy enough to keep you off RSG. I hope you will now stop giving yourself the right to think that you can speak for Afrikaners, because yout do not have that right. It is only the ANC and their channels that conveniently look for 'impimis' to do their dirty work. Please do not oblige. - TC |
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Success?
04/04/2007 11:56
The constant refrain that quiet diplomacy is yielding fruit must be referring to only one thing...waiting for Mugabe to die, and yet he keeps going on and on. Lets hope these 'old men' of SADC one day wake up, see and feel the beating, poverty and hunger they've been inflicting or condoning on our grandmothers, children, wives and husbands - zimbo |
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Take a stand
04/04/2007 11:57
Max,
Let's be honest, one hand helps the other here, isn't Mbeki building a R9 million house somewhere, maybe Mugabe is funding it, that's why he won't condone Mugabe's actions. It is shameful! Honestly! - pixy |
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Ashamed
04/04/2007 12:00
Shame, now you have to be ashamed of YOUR own ANC government, the ones you have always supported? It was easy to lash out at the apartheids government, calling them racists, what are you going to do now? Beat Mugabe? We actually don't care what he does, its no longer the WHITES only that suffer in Zimbabwe, it is his own people. Maybe Africa is not for you, from top to bottom they are rotten, Kenia, Tanzania, Kongo, Ruanda, Uganda .. you don't have anywhere else to go do you? - Ben |
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Missing the point
04/04/2007 12:09
Concerned have you not understood the column at all? The issue is that humans are suffering, and our government is doing the bare minimum to help them. Mugabe has no regard for basic human rights, and as a democratic country we should unite against that. - Andrew |
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Zimbabwen Conflict
04/04/2007 12:14
I must align myself with Du Preeze in condemning the violation of Human Rights at Zim. As sensitive as it may be, the issue of Zim needs to be looked at an eagle eye.The root cause for the human rights violations needs to be ascertained. Not even Pres. Mbeki will solve the issue of Zim if Zimbabweans themselves are not preapred to solve their political differences.
The Gov, opposition and ruling parties should take upon them to ensure that they put people's interest before their political gains - Sizwe Nyenyiso |
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Human rights
04/04/2007 12:17
Well, human rights are pretty clearly defined in the constitution, but even common sense should tell you that being beaten after speaking out is just wrong. Concerned, why are you so concerned about the what the BBC and CNN reports? For the record, I resent your reference to "the white editor", don't turn this into a racist issue. The people of zimbabwe are crying out for help, it's our duty to help them. - Andrew |
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Kudos!
04/04/2007 12:22
What a brilliant commentary, Max. I am deeply ashamed by our president who is is being seen to condone the actions of Mugabe through his non-involvement. What is it going to take to turn this around? - enigma |
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Max - Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 12:34
We can all bang on about human rights etc and it will mean didly squat. The point is Mad Bob's mates in the banana republic of Africa including our erstwhile president won't say anything as they see him as screwing the whites and they love it. Which is why Africa is seen as the 'hopeless' continent and why it will never move away from being no hopers mired in disease, poverty, incompetance, corruption and political correctness. It will alsways be the same - peter |
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Sympathy & Respect
04/04/2007 12:58
I have always had respect for our president. I have sympathy for him with regards to running our wonderful, but yet complicated country. People should remember (as someone commented earlier) things aren't as they seem and there are many issues the public never even hear of. Corruption in the ANC does not mean our leader is corrupt. Why do you all think such debates regarding the next president is taken so serious by Mr. Mbeki (and I know he does). - ElectroMan |
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Peter -Zimbabwe
04/04/2007 12:59
Please Peter spare us your stale and overly used racist remarks.Stick to the topic.By labeling South Africa a banana republic you've clearly demonstrated your lack of understanding of what the term means. - max |
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Attack Mugabe?
04/04/2007 13:20
quiet diplomacy does not work we have all seen that, but we forget to mention that Mugabe was democratically elected, so they say. Still we blame poor Thabo Mbeki what must he do? should he go and attack Zimbabwe like Bush & Blair did to Iraq. We are tired of the blame game, we need answers my friends. I won't blame anyone as all the stories that I read come from the press which is mostly controlled by whites racist South Africans who will never change their racist attitudes, bless them lord. - Mxolisi |
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