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Good article 02/08/2007 09:57
Totally agree with you. We all need to catch a wake up! Very interesting article. - SB |
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Hmmm. Many implications 02/08/2007 09:58
Sooooo...then no one has a claim to having been here first. Fact is we all were here at the same time. How does impact on land claims. White racists and black africanists? Is an africanist a balck racist? What does that statement mean??? - Stryder |
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And the point is? 02/08/2007 10:03
Who actually cares from which continent they think we all come from? We all know who we are and our heritage. There is still no excuse for barbaric behaviour. One point though, why is a white a racist and a black an africanist? - shaun |
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White Racists vs Black Africanists 02/08/2007 10:17
I suppose I must be a white racist. I come from the northern hemisphere but have made my home in Africa for over 35 years. My children are white africans. Because of the racist policies of the ANC they have been forced to move to the Northern Hemisphere to find work. The time for racial classification is supposed to have passed us by. Unfortunately it is now more prevalent than ever before. We live in a time of black driven racism at the expense of everyone else. - Jim |
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Racism 02/08/2007 10:17
What you wrote is not news,:it's "always" (since Dart, anyway) been acknowledged that Africa is the cradle of humanity.
Interesting, this is the interpretation that many Old Testament schollars place on the story of Adam & Eve, stressing our common humanity.
BTW: "racism" _always_ seems to mean white on black (in the standard perpetrator - vicim roles). When will someone have the honesty to take up reverse racism or black anti-Indianism, anti-Colour or intra-black (tribalism) racism? - Colin |
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Hmm - let's hope the ANC read this article... 02/08/2007 10:25
... and that their followers stop telling us "whities" to move back to Europe, where we supposedly came from. I was born here, my husband was born here, and our children will be born here. In my eyes, that makes all of us Africans, no matter where our grandparents originally came from. - Chez |
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Racism 02/08/2007 10:32
I am so called coloured who is regarded neither as black or white. But I would rather have a black man lead this country then a white man. I mean all of a sudden some are feeling sorry for the disadvantaged people like they ever cared for them. The previous government aimed to keep them that way , in poverty, uneducated, etc. Now things have changed and it's not so cool to be white anymore and they become compassionate about their " brothers and sisters." Sorry chaps but u reap what u sow. - Regan |
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Not so fast Max 02/08/2007 10:32
They may have proven we all come from Africa but I have yet to see the scientific proof for evolution...aren't we still searching for the missing link to prove evolution?
Personally I am of the opinion that we were created by a God, which does not necessary mean I don't believe in evolution as the creator could have used similar DNA.
Reality is people are fast to believe that evolution has been proven...because it is just too frightning to believe that there is possibly a God - Jakes |
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Denial 02/08/2007 10:34
It's interesting that in the News24 poll of 18 July (Do you believe that modern man originally came from Africa?), 62% of News24 users said no. Actually, it's not that interesting. White South Africans (the majority of South African internet/News24 users) are in denial. That's how it was when I was growing up, and that's how it still is. - Mark |
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missing the point here... 02/08/2007 10:36
It's a pity that us whites struggle to come to terms with our racism, (as is evidenced by these comments - 'its not us, its them') when clearly racism is stupid. Jim, did you complain about racism 35 years ago? why only now? Instead of owning up to our own mistakes, we now just complain loudly about the ANC's... - kosie |
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Good analysis but.... 02/08/2007 10:42
Nice story of the family whose sons and daughters developed hate for one another. You haven't done justice to the technological aspect of your analysis though. Africa has numerous lost cities and technological inventions that are hardly ever announced in order to perpetuate the stereotype. Just invest more time in that aspect and let us know. Some Europeans have spent over 30 yrs trying to figure out Egypt Pyramids in vain. Now they want to remove them from 7 wonders. Wonder why? - TC |
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What? 02/08/2007 10:43
Max - ever heard of the BIBLE??? We do not come from Africa, nor did we descend from Apes. I pity all you people that believe rubbish like the article above. - AS |
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Guns, Germs and Steel 02/08/2007 10:44
South Africans of all colours need to learn the real reasons racial differences exist without being tainted by pseudo-scientific claims of racial superiority or determination. I would suggest that any person who covertly or overtly still believes that race 'matters' read a book called Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond which dispels the myths of racial differences and will show why the modern world is the way it is due to many factors over the course of humanity's history. - GD |
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Evolution?? 02/08/2007 10:46
Has one ever thought that there might be two different paths of evolution! What we have been told and what the researches have finally concluded that we all come from Africa, might only mean that the traditionally black (or African) has come from that path of evolution! One can not beleive that all races have evolved from Africa! - B |
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Racism is sheer stupidity...Stupidity is sheer racism! 02/08/2007 10:48
Cute; your article that is Mr Du Preez, especially from a self-declared non-racist white. Technology for adaptation is a poor racist and thinly veiled attempt at justifiying why the so-called West is developed and the so-called Third World is not!! What? Did folk from the West have superior techonology and their cousins in Africa Inferior techonology? Come on max for a seasoned and well respected South African journalist, you certainly can do better than this. - Bra Tokes |
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Racism 02/08/2007 10:54
I find it rather strange that out of this whole article(which is brilliant) 3 out of the 6 comments were about 5 words ''white racists and black Africanists''. This completetly misses the point of the article. Racism should not exist because we all come from the same place so focus on the positive side of it for once. Also, how proud am I to know that our cape coast is where all ''civilisation began'', they shouldnt have moved so far away, the world would have been a better more peaceful place. - Nadine |
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You forgot the other two categories of people 02/08/2007 10:54
White Africanists and black racists - Quo Vadis |
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Not racist, I love white people! 02/08/2007 10:56
You've been watching too much Tomb Raider...
No doubt the whites need to start reclaiming their ancestral grounds now too? (Ha-ha ? right back at you Mugabe?)
I don't particularly care where I originated from, doesn't really make a difference. What makes a difference is the life you choose to lead. There is no point in knowing our history if we as a race are not prepared to learn from it.
All I can see is people whinging about the bad things that happened in the past and not really preventing it from happening in the future. If history supposedly repeats itself clearly this demonstrates humanities inability to learn from it.
Thus, in summation humans have not evolved mentally but have stood still in a stagnated pond. And idly accepted their fate/future as just the way it has been and is going to be.
Not very advanced for a so called advanced species don?t you think?
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Racial Divide 02/08/2007 10:58
So what are you actually saying? You are basically proving that there is a huge racial divide, and further that blacks are inferior. For whatever reasons, 'they didnt need technology', African generations did not develope intellectualy. We might all have started out the same, but that doesnt matter, its about where we are now. Actually, the fact that we started out the same, proves the point even more. Why would we all want to be the same anyway. - wendel |
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Closer to home 02/08/2007 10:58
We do not have to go back 100 000 years to establish our African ancestry. Most white Afrikaans families has Khoisan women as their first mother in Africa. Go and look at your family trees. "Anna van die Kaap" was not a Europian. The VOC did not send families over here. Where did the people come from. The most white people has a closer relation with this land through their Khoisan ancestry than most black people whos tribes came here from further North. - JRS |
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Colour doesn't matter 02/08/2007 11:00
Good one Max! I wish every one who still hold-on those racist attitude and stereotypes could read this insight. Being racist and perceiving yourself to be racially superior is not genetic and its an illness that can be changed. Lets try to be tolerant irrespective of our race. - Msindazwe |
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Max 02/08/2007 11:01
Thanks for stating the obvious; that all humans share a common ancestor and that ancestor probably came from Africa. In fact, all living organisms probably share common ancestry. What does that prove other than that we are related at some distant point in the past? Are you suggesting that you didn?t previously know this? The last few thousand years of human evolution were driven by different criteria in Europe, Africa and elsewhere, leading to the differences (most notably skin colour) that we know as ?race?. These races are each more suited to the historical environments of their ancestors. That?s how natural selection works. Denying these differences is as stupid as racism itself. - Jimmy |
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Human origins 02/08/2007 11:01
A nice, clear explanation of scientific research for the non-scientist. Keeping the above information in mind, I have always found it amusing when some angry black people tell white people to leave Africa and go back to Europe where they came from! We are all part of the same species, although people tend to focus on the differences and sadly judge others only according to that. - Michelle |
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Great Article! 02/08/2007 11:05
Great article Max! I have always seen myself as an African, I was born here and will die here! Oh, yes, I am white! Lets hope people start changing their thinking after reading this article! - Dylan Hunt |
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Racist Max 02/08/2007 11:12
Your statement "In Africa there was very little need for technology, especially not after the Iron Age"... smacks of subtle bigotry.
Where did you get the notion that Africans did not have need for technology? How paternalistic of you! This begs as to whether you have done your research well or even done any research at all! What do you know of Kh'mt, or even Timbuktu inter alia?
You are just another racist in Sheep's clothing....
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thanx 4 article 02/08/2007 11:12
I'll never forget my first job straight out of school and meeting this guy who insisted it had been scientifically proven that black people had smaller brains than white people. I stopped laughing when he threatened to beat me up. - Wayne |
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I agree 02/08/2007 11:15
"We now know that this lack of technology was not a race thing, but it had to do with the environment, culture, lifestyle and history." And these make us? Yes, different! Let's all say it: Different. Max said it, now I say it. Different culture, lifestyle and history. But forced to integrate. Result? Conflict. While segregation is a taboo, forced integration is the norm. There will be conflict until the public opinion changes. - Werner Pereira |
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To Regan... 02/08/2007 11:19
Regan, your whole arguement is based on hate for white poeple. And sorry, but it is still very cool to be a white person, I couldnt be prouder of who I am. Finally, yes, we are ALL going to reap what we sow, lets hear from you when the ANC has ruined our country. - wendel |
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Nice Try 02/08/2007 11:21
Your article enforces the behavior of what is in Africa is for everybody and what is Europe is for Europeans. Don't try to patronise Africans (Black); we have suffered enough lest we need now is to regroup and face ills brought by whites with their so called civilisation. - Gwinya |
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Ja right Regan 02/08/2007 11:21
I'm sorry my friend but my family was involved in
the apartheid era black education, and (at least at the school they worked for) they got a much better education than children currently receive. If you choose to rather strike an toi-toi than go to school, don't blame someone else for being uneducated. - AJ |
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Me Stupid - Me Racist 02/08/2007 11:22
Racism is not necessarelly white on black or vise versa. Take the Irish and English for instance. I have a huge problem with the so-called superior race of "overdeveloped, super intellegent" white people in Gold coloured jerseys and green shorts, who think they are God's gift to rugby fans. I hate Australians!!! - Devil's Advocate |
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listen to yourself 02/08/2007 11:23
Black people have been victims of racism since only GOD knows when,labeled as inferior and not deserving to be regarded as HUMAN beings for as far back as the history books can take us,South African history is the best example of all these crimes,Prevoiusly ruled on racist policies,white people never complained about how unfair it was to have all the luxuries and benefits of being the "superior" race,Whites are not yet used to beign equal to Black people! hance thier frastration... - non racist black |
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Read the Bell Curve 02/08/2007 11:29
You'll see race is about more than just skin color. - Juan |
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Closer to home 02/08/2007 11:40
JRS,
It seems you don't know jack about black people, We never came from the north. We were here all along. Your History started in 1652 and not ours.
Wendel,
Go back and read what Max is saying over and over again until it sinks in your little brain. - Themba |
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Africans unite 02/08/2007 11:46
Although it is interesting to know where we come from it is more important to decide where we are heading. We all suffer under rampant crime. Crime is driving a wedge between racial groups. This country will not attain its' developemental goals if there is a culture of disregard for human life,property and the environment. There will be alot more harmony in this beautiful land is crime is addressed in the harshest manner known to man. - Neman |
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Truth sometimes not what people want 02/08/2007 11:53
Max, I can see your article wants to get people to move beyond race and start appreciating each other. The reality is that people prefer finding reasons to disapprove (hate) each other and feel better about themselves. Racists and Africanists are bent on finding new reasons to dislike and dislodge each other ALL the time. Hitler did it, Mugabe did it, Barend Strydom did it and so on. Unless people starting looooooooving each other, racism will be the ghost haunting our children as well. - Christiaan van der Wath |
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Interesting 02/08/2007 11:54
Your writing style makes the story sound like a fairy-tail, yet if it is indeed true, it is of high significancy and should be put on higher platform - Nic |
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There's nothing like a Black Racist, only whites are capable of racism 02/08/2007 11:56
Max,i've never had of any organisation formed by black people solely to promote hatred against whites but I know many white formed groups target against blacks.Blacks always find themselves having to defend themselves from white oppression,colonialism,apartheid,etc.Blacks are loving and forgiving people sometimes to their detriment coz whites always take our kindness for stupidity.Till this day, blacks are forever trying to gain acceptance from white in S.A. - Mphiwe |
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Non rasict black... 02/08/2007 11:57
So you mean lets not elevate ourselves but just revert back to a level that was surpassed years ago? Doesn't this seem like a backwards way of thinking?
So much for progress. - MP3 |
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