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Transforming SA
02/04/2008 08:42
Then transaformation goal is only successful when the majority of the lives of poor have been addressed. Making a few multi-millionaire blacks each year or losing a white employee and gaining a black employee does nothing, except for appearance. The success of SA is linked the masses of poor, but it seems they matter as much to this government as they did to the last. - AJ |
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Transformation?
02/04/2008 08:46
The liberation struggle merely succeeded in transforming the colour of the fascists. - JP Strauss |
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transformation
02/04/2008 08:48
would that the powers that be thought the same! well written max.
ps: jz might need to look the word up in the dictionary!! - olivier |
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Hope the transformation doesn't make you too depressed Max!
02/04/2008 08:48
Still wondering how someone who says that the rascist element in SA depresses more than the rapes, would want to think that anyone should take him seriously. Since the bloemfontein incident there have been numerous violent rapes in our country. The last one I read about just 2 minutes ago. But that does not depress Max in any way. Nooooo. Its the rascism that gets to him... - Flamby Baderbuis |
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disgrace to liberation
02/04/2008 08:50
Max, the people driving the 'transformation'process are the same beneficiaries of the window-dressing. I think it fair to say - on the basis of overwhelming evidence - that 'liberation' was merely a route to personal power and wealth for most of the ruling elite of Africa. They have had fourteen years here and decades elsewhere, and have almost infallibly persued the course of self-enrichment at the expense of the poplace. Why SHOULD they change? They do not suffer. Shaming them is the only way - Dave |
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How do we trust whites to effect "normalisation"?
02/04/2008 08:56
I agree on the mistakes done and surely would call for a sunset clause of AA and EE. My biggest problem is how do we trust whites people who still believe that Blacks are inherently incompetent, lazy and stupid that they will appoint them on merit. They have failed badly in the past and still do not see anything wrong, hence all this pieces of legislations. Look at cricket and rugby, they still sabotage the system and sideline black players. How do you address these stereotypes???? - Libembe |
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Transformation
02/04/2008 08:58
Well said Max. As usual a balanced article. Bottom line we need delivery and accountablity. It does not matter what colour the person is. If they can do the job efficeiently then let them get on with it. Yes we need training to get people able to do jobs - let the knowledgeable ones train new ones before leaving. Delivery, delivery, delivery will deliver the rainbow promises of the new South Africa. - Tony |
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True transformation
02/04/2008 09:01
So much sense in one article. Good one Max. - HJS |
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Whites will pay...
02/04/2008 09:02
Excellent Max, but I can see you take a lot of flack from black people who feel the injustice of the past has to be done to the whites of this country now. They would rather squalor in a Zimbabwe type environment than see the proper skills take the country forward? They should do a proper head count on the skills leaving the country; they are just hiding the stats the same way they hide the crime stats. Apartheid happened, and as you put it ?our evil past? is going to come around and haunt the ?White Man?? all you have to do is read the blogs and see the majority of the black mans opinion
No matter how much you harp on what?s right or perceived to be right, according to the majority of black people? The white man ?Will pay for apartheid!? ? in every way possible.
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SOLUTIONS NOW!!!!!!!
02/04/2008 09:05
I think issues to do with race are now the main focus of this forum, please dont get me wrong there are legitimate concerns regarding racial issues, BEE, failure of the government to assist blacks and whites alike, that is all real, but i think its high time we start drifting away from the problem and seek the solutions. Yes the gvt has made a real mess of things, yes the blacks were oppressed,yes the gvt institutions are incompetent.Now a SOLUTION????????? - Tafadzwa |
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Finally....!
02/04/2008 09:07
Max, Finally you write something that makes sense! - SID |
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Whose IS REALLY to blame?
02/04/2008 09:08
The problem with this assumption is that everyone has vigorously participated in transformation and that the wholesale removal of whites has been an insiduous process spearheaded by da ANC.The reality is that there are those amongst us who have countered the intent of the process ie of redressing,by windowdressing corporate and civil services in most instances with Housenig,ers. Transformation should not be artificial but conscious manoeuvre by ALL. So be honest,call a spade a flippin shovel! - Cape Town Kid |
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Maxwell Silver
02/04/2008 09:10
Well said Sir and that's that... - Deano |
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Mentor
02/04/2008 09:12
And transfer of skills? Forget it. I had to train myself and will never just "transfer" it to get sacked anyhow. They must start working and learning for themselves. The culture of just getting getting and rceiving has not bring Africa anywhere! See. At least I've learned something. - Martin |
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Appearances
02/04/2008 09:12
Tokyo Sexwale, one of the richest people in the country (thanks to BEE) and ANC leader, believes his children who were born after 1994 should benefit from AA because they are not white. That says it all. - jb |
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Too True, To late
02/04/2008 09:14
Spot on Max, just a pity the damage has been done. How many people might have stayed and contributed to the New South Africa if the logic in your article were followed from day one of the ANC led goverment,s rule. The other pity is that it will take many many years to rectify a 14 year mistake. What a pity... - RvR |
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Chasing the rainbow
02/04/2008 09:15
Max,one can see you've pondered on this one for while.Much like a lot of us.Transformation is a double edged sword.As you say change into something useful but the opposite can apply.When you eat what is your food transformed into?I think its a case of sowing a pigs ear out of a silk purse in this country! - psycobabble |
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Transformation a price too high
02/04/2008 09:15
Another good thought provoking article about the truth of things as they are. Why are there not more straight talking journalists like you Max, everyone seems to have an agenda, and very little integrity. You stayed true to the cause. Thank you for that. - Mike |
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logic
02/04/2008 09:16
So basically what you are saying is transfer skills and knowledge, and then thet will get rid of you. So white people will be used. - dewald |
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Transformation or Terrorism
02/04/2008 09:18
Its all good to hear that we whites are supposed to train blacks and then leave quietly, steadying them in the background, paying for our past, whilst also paying the bulk of taxes. My question is if this is really sustainable in the long run? Africa is not for whites, never been, never will be. We are not going to disprove the past 200 years. In 50 years, there will only be a small remant of whites in SA. SA will assimilate into the bigger African picture of poverty and corruption. Deal with it - Riaan |
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True
02/04/2008 09:18
" I feel confident that few people will disagree with me when I say transformation wasn't supposed to only benefit a few."
I'm starting to think that the struggle was not to liberte the poor, but ANC leaders to get rich. Like Mugabe they dont care about the poor, mind saying that they do throw now and then scrapes of the table to keep the masses at bay. And it is working. Kuddos to the ANC leaders for doing the old 2 o'2 trick. - padkos |
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Transformation in the eye of the beholder
02/04/2008 09:20
Max, it seems that you confuse white skin with skills. Eskom's failure is largely due to the State not wanting to fund its infrastructural development capacity and it has nothing to do with the so called "white engineers". I have come across white people in leadership positions with donkey years of experience doing nothing in their cosy workplace. I have mentored, coached a lot of white guys and changed some of their mindset. Black teachers excelled in their work during the apartheid era. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Human Nature
02/04/2008 09:22
Isn?t AA a bit like Communism. Great in theory, but in practice human nature turns it into a vehicle for abuse. - Andre |
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Bravo
02/04/2008 09:22
Well said Max. Unfortunately the guys at the top, who have the power to enforce policies like this are only interested in serving their own interests and ensuring that we focus on the first part of transformation - i.e. looking good... - James |
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Transformation
02/04/2008 09:26
You've hit the nail on the head, Max. It seems to me that the powers that be rushed the transformation issue just to get the approvement of the public, before having a proper look at what they were doing to industry etc. Rather, they should have set up apprentice or learnership positions, where the beneficiaries of transformation could gain a degree, as well as the years-gained experience of the person who was mentoring them, to make the transformation as smooth as possible. if only... - Mylo |
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Reality bites
02/04/2008 09:29
Max - I doubt you will find any rational argument against what you are saying. The devil is in the implementation. How do you find white people secure enough to properly train their eventual successors. I know how hard it is, been there, done that. Then find black successors secure enough to accept mentorship from the outgoing white person. And find a decent way of transferring those skills. Guess what my company does....?? - Excalibur |
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The whole world
02/04/2008 09:29
The whole world knows that, even our black colleagues do, but in the end, nobody cares. They just want to white people to get whats coming to them, and if that means they destroy something that worked, and even their own lives, then so be it. Their motives are racially motivated and in the end, racism is all that drives them - Dawid |
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Transformation
02/04/2008 09:30
Max, you make a few very good points. I agree that when you read the ANC posters declaring a "better life for all" you look at reality and realise that there are two words missing at the end. These being "My friends". Another point that should also be raised is why should a "white" skilled person be expected to "train" his replacement while he knows that when finished he, himself will be unemployed? There is no switch that you switch on and transformation has happened. - Jim |
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Transformation
02/04/2008 09:33
Well done Max, you could not have said it better. But the fact of the matter is, things won't change and the government and its followers want the white man out of the country! - Frits |
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Transformation
02/04/2008 09:33
Well said Max, I've always held your opinion in high esteem, you have identified the problems how about giving us a your opinion on the solution as far as the matters raised are concerned.Because to me the article represents another case of pointing fingers. - Thokozani |
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Calvin Mkhize
02/04/2008 09:44
Not quite true about Eskom. Most of it has to do with the BEE coal supply agreements, the lack of planning, lack of infrastructure maintenance and sheer lack of experience. Whether that is a black/white issue is completely by the way for me. The technology experts in Eskom have left the building, that is CERTAIN, so any corrective action comes at HUGE expense as Eskom hire French and German consultants. This is FACT, not conjecture. And lazy people don't have a colour, they have an attitude. - Excalibur |
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@ Calvin Mkhize
02/04/2008 09:47
Are you denying that skilled white people were replaced by less skilled black people in the interests of transformation? - Charles |
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This one is tired!
02/04/2008 09:47
For goodness sake,can't you find something better to whinge about? there's absolutely nothing you can do about this one, the winds of change are blowing,and as for pessimists like you not being happy...well that's to be expected!Make peace with it or you'll be miserable for a very long time to come. - TMan |
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nice article
02/04/2008 09:49
pity that the powers that be, the ones that SHOULD be paying attention, don't really care, they're where they want to be, nothing else matters now. - Anymouse |
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Calvin is Spot on!
02/04/2008 09:49
according to the current "white" mindset of generalisation , any Black individual who is successful and deserves to be is not deserving to BEE. - ngwazi |
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Naive Max
02/04/2008 09:49
Whenever I hear the word naive, I think of Max and his buddies. Still Max wants to use western thought patterns in an African county. Wake up Max, merit or any ?normal? system is not the object in the new South Africa. You are trying to help people who you think are failing, while they are smiling all the way, because their plan is working beautifully. - Werner Pereira |
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Transflammation?
02/04/2008 09:50
Once again spot-on Max. The problem with the "window dressing" transformation is that, while it manages to change appearances, it also causes more friction than the other type of transformation (in usefulness) does. Friction that causes heat and heat that inflames tempers and emotions. I would make so bold as to say most South Africans - Black and White - won't have a problem with transformaion if it also included the aspect of improvement in quality. - Martin Theron |
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I pray someone will read this
02/04/2008 09:50
Max a very good letter, with very good advice
which I hope someone with a good heart, in a high
position and a good brain will use to do good to all the good people in this country. This advice have the potential to solve 80% of all black / white issues. Thanks Max.
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You are right Max, but......
02/04/2008 09:51
...the reality is a bit different from your analogy. Your article pretty much reproduces what is on transformation paper - nice stuff about skills transfer, accommodation of PDI's, smooth transformation of institutions etc. You wouldn't know much about active and passive resistance experienced by PDI's, blatant exclusion and discrimination in workplace, schools and other institutions. I NEVER hear of any condemnation of non-cooperation. Check land reform and sports. - Chris-T |
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Transformation not for appearance but usefulness
02/04/2008 09:53
Max - Great article! You are saying exactly what many others have said numerous times - but you have put it into perspective and balance. Window Dressing is a short sighted solution and not sustainable - Eskom has already milked the cow until its dry ...who is next... - SA'in |
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Libembe
02/04/2008 09:54
For every action there is a reaction.The belief of many black folk is that whites would just roll over and submit.Its called resistance.We trusted the black majority by voting in the referendum to unban parties and have dialog & power sharing.We had the TRC and talk of genuine reconciliation.Where are we now?.Yes sure there whites who cannot be trusted by any one just like blacks.I think though its a case a blacks trusting each other.Paranoia strikes deep. - psycobabble |
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SID
02/04/2008 09:56
Max ALWAYS write articles that make sense,it's just that members of his tribe and other uninformed black people don't want to read his articles with understanding. - Godfrey |
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Martin
02/04/2008 10:08
We started learning and working for as long as we've been living.Just at look at all the major projects,constructions,there is no building in this country that was not build using black labour including the house you stay in, the road you drive on, hard physical labour.Every day the silent skilled majority work hard to make this country work.You'll be amazed at the number of skilled black SAfricans being mentored by other blacks,so even if u don't help them it doesn't matter,it's your choice. - Godfrey |
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Transformation Relevant
02/04/2008 10:11
The problem with transformation in the country is not transformation itself - but its implementation. Sometimes wrong people get the critical jobs, and then mess up. You don't stop the damn whole thing to ractify that ... The truth is, if you suspend/stop transformation now, there'll be dire consequences in future. If you continue with it in its flawed way, you'll have dire consequences as well. Just cure the damn thing rather than pulling the plug on it. - Mkhokheli |
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why not make it easier
02/04/2008 10:16
Why does the Gov not just man up and let all us White people know that we are not welcome here once and for all. Then make it easier for us all to pick up and leave, I'm sure 99% would happily go if we could. That way SA can be truly transformed. We all know we don't belong here. - Nick2 |
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Transformation Bull***t
02/04/2008 10:22
This transformation isn't working. Thanks for pointing that out Max. But what could work. This affirmative action is an american idea. Let's look at how america dealt with their previously disadvantaged. A very small american population is poor. That is a great nation we should look up to them.
Africans seem to be very greedy and selfish with a lot of deception. I mean they make these big promises but deliver nothing. Absolutely nothing!!! What they do best is enrich their friends and families. - Taetjo |
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Blacks brought democray in this country not whites
02/04/2008 10:24
Tired of this white nonsese. Not all experts in this country are whites. Is nonsense that only whites can solve the problems of this country? You reject anything that is designed to uplift the lives of the people you oppressed and made poor. Usefulness does not apply to whites only. I'm working for eskom and dont remember eskom taking a decision to fire white people. They claim to know democracy whilst they fount against democracy in this country. We will support our government until they get it right as you did with your past government. Transformation is a must by appearance and usefulness. - siza |
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Good one
02/04/2008 10:24
Max Good one, I fairly enjoyed your article on this subject. It seems that you have put alot of thought into the article and its not just a rave about something. Libembe: eyes are always on the cricket and rugby but nothing is said about the soccer where there is no other colour than balck?
How long will it still be the b;lame on what happened on the past and not looking forward to see what the people of today(not the old gen) can do to make all lives better. - Acid0 |
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ever heard of"change management"
02/04/2008 10:25
If one does not define "transformation" in a clear "from what.." into "what..." the result will always be an extended debate about the result. Politicians generally don't like defined targets. The results are there for all to see. - Benzo |
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Transformation goes both ways
02/04/2008 10:26
Black transform this >>> way and white transform <<< that way... It really does go both ways. Black people need the chances denied before, and white to scale down on what was benefited from. This goes way back to the days when mr. Lion and me. Zebra contemplated the way humans interact. These days they just accept it as a standard - flawed. Black should learn from what white knowledge and experience, but white should also allow it to develop. [Apologies for other groups feeling excluded.] - ElectroMan |
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Transformation.......waste of time
02/04/2008 10:30
The SA government will wake up one day and find that their so called transformation has messed out a lot,and window dressing time is over. We need to start putting skills and capabilities first before the colour of the skin.... - khokho |
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Hear, Hear
02/04/2008 10:31
This article aptly demonstrates an often overlooked irony that Window dressing for appearance will continue to erode overall performance (Business,Civil services etc), and thus negatively impact the lives of all South Africans, especially a black majority, will bear the consequences. - Ray |
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C'est la vie
02/04/2008 10:31
Problem is white people have a settler approach and black people a more nomadic thinking.
The two cultures will in all probability never be able to co-exist. Maybe white people ought to cut their losses and head out.
Trying to have a meaningful conversation when it comes to this issue won't ever happen between black and white. Racism can only be a white man's evil tool and black people are the defenseless victims that always needs a handout, please send more UN Aid. rofl
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Well done Max
02/04/2008 10:31
I couldn't have worded it better - Joe Soap |
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very good article, but....
02/04/2008 10:33
Max, a very good and relevant article. You have stated many valid points. But there is something that gets to me which has been shown in these forums over and over again. The mentality here is that ALL WHITES are educated and skilled and ALL BLACKS are uneducated and dont know what they are doing. Granted, the oppertunities of the past dictates that this is so, but in fact there are very highly skilled blacks in the workforce today and also many white 'dead weight'. And vica verca... - jupitor |
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Re: Charles, answer this question.
02/04/2008 10:35
I'm 33yrs old, with 14yrs experience in my job with a Bcom degree and honours. I'm still referred to as a AA candidate, yet my colleagues who are white have no qualification and are just as competent as me. How do you label or tag me as an AA candidate when I'm super competent and very much qualified for my job, same thing for Makhaya Ntini after 10yrs and highest ranking, he is still an equity player. It's not blacks labelling him, it's whites and that's the ignorance and stereotype!! - Libembe |
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TRANSFORMATION NOT ALL BAD
02/04/2008 10:40
Transformation in its entirety have not been a flop - I do agree that many mistakes have been made in the aim to fast track the process and in doing this incompetent people were placed in critical position which had a negative effect on our society. Mr. Max we also need to look at the success stories of the implementation of the Transformation policy - I will just list a few - our public broadcaster have taken a 360 degree turn and today it is 10 times better than when a white CEO were in charged 20 years ago, in sport transformation have ensure that black sport stars like Habbana, Gibbs, JP Pietersen, JP Dumminy and many other like them could reach the highest level of there sports and claim to be the best in the world. Today talented black matriculates from the townships have the opportunity to attend any University of there choice if they work hard enough. In the past many white people were groomed into positions with no qualification or experience and today I see many of these old white people having to compete with competent black professionals who do not get the same support but still rise way above expectations and at times need to guide the white oldies. - colin |
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Tafadzwa Spot on
02/04/2008 10:42
Tafadzwa has hit the nail on the head. We have the likes of racist Calvin Mkize and Juan and other paranoid idiots who have nothing better to do than to slant the race issue. Instead of bitching and moaning like us typical SA idiots do, lets get a solution and work at it. Nothing is more f%$&ing annoying than going around in circles talking about the same crap all the time. - Win |
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max article
02/04/2008 10:42
The issues are not as simple as you state Max. The assumption you make is that the said "skilled"and"experienced" white people are willing to train and advance suposedly "unskilled" and "inexperienced" black people. That is far from the truth. The empowerment of black people should not depend on white people transfering skills. And ask me in this regard, I know better. A more positive line of question should be, how best compentant black and white people should train inexperienced PDIs? - rera |
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Rubbish
02/04/2008 10:42
I hear all this saying that "politics must be kept away from sport"but what i don't understand is where did this whole saga started? Is it not the white government who introduced politics in sport in the beginning? Also to show that white people will never change, they oppressed black people by providing inferior services and now they are talking about " Black people must lift themselves" Ofcourse they will. - lugo |
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Propoganda
02/04/2008 10:46
Your argument holds some truth in it.to say the least I classify this article as propaganda meaning half truths. However the attitude and beliefs of white has led to these drastic changes in the mindset of blacks in general...whites have resisted change at all. Whites are resistant to skills transfer and are not generous with information for the empowerment of blacks?the pressure has now mounted against the ANC,currently the middle class is dominated by blacks and this is a positive sign. The eskom saga has nothing to do with AA/EE but failure by the government to heed expert advises. Enlighten me Max.. and to use Land Bank as an example in this regard is rather pathetic..what about the white led Fidentia,Saambou ,tigerbrands and many other white led institutions - Kolobe |
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To Calvin
02/04/2008 10:49
Calvin, you have a one tracked mind. Cannot you try and see both sides to an issue. Do you really think black people are so perfectly innocent? You're fooling yourself as always ;) - dhv |
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Libembe & Calvin - How would you know?
02/04/2008 10:55
Firstly, Max an excellent article & spot on. Secondly, Libembe & Calvin - plenty of genaralisation, with no substance. I have 1st hand experience of having to make way for a person of colour (with no experience, qualifications or desire to do the work) - he merely wanted the promotion. The official stance of my organisation was/is "transformation 1st; standards later!" My offer to mentor the person was declined. As for you mentoring whites Calvin, on what? The doctrine of the ANC? - mikehunt |
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To Calvin
02/04/2008 10:56
If black teachers excelled in their work during apartheid, then why was the education so poor and the educated black people during that time so poorly educated. Think about it!!! - you're an idiot ;) |
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Transformation the right way
02/04/2008 11:01
Max, gud article and i concur with some of your view. However, lots refrain from the blame game. In order for trans to b a success we need to work 2gether.As for Martin i think you're sitting with ur brain. Hav u eva heard of a handover process. Idiots like u will hinder change, i suggest u move to perth like most of ur idiotic pals.Q?How long did it take 4 a person to be an expert in a role? it like saying a graduate strait from university cud become a CEO without experince. Martin seriously! - mjero |
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Truth in it
02/04/2008 11:02
I would like to ask all those people that say whites did not support transformation this. If your company comes to you and tells you to train this new reqruit, so that he comes into your position, and you will be fired. What would you do? Like any normal person you would say: " Well if that is my companies atttude, F you, I will not train this oke, and I quite" It only human to do something like this. Transformation was implemented wrongly. - padkos |
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Whites are suffering from Apartheid too
02/04/2008 11:08
White people are also suffering from Apartheid. It's effects are felt by White people in South Africa. That's not what Transformation was supposed to do (or was it?). I agree with you! Great article. - Sarel |
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Shame ;(
02/04/2008 11:09
Shame, it must be so difficult to be born black. Through out history black people have been slaves, been oppressed, victims, weaker race etc. This goes way back, but how did we get to this place where whites are perceived as better than blacks? How did white people control black people for over 300 hundred years? Why did it take black people (majority) more than 300 years to control this country? - dhv |
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Sense
02/04/2008 11:12
Thanks for a sensible article, it is true that positions need to be offered on merit and not just on the colour of someone's skin!!! - Lee |
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Nor black Nor white
02/04/2008 11:25
Most of the comments are wrong it is not about who is black or white, no one is incompetent, it is about all about will power (the blacks had schools in the apartheid but they burned it down ? so do they really want to be educated and the whites called themselves christens that time but they hated blacks). It is know 14 years, the blacks were previously disadvantage and the whites are currently disadvantage ?so who is really on the disadvantage side? I will vote for the best party that run there policy on ?the best man for the job?. I know evil people - white and black so please do not generalise.
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Transformation yes, but there should be equal opportunity.
02/04/2008 11:25
Do we all now accept that we are no longer welcome and leave the country to its own fate. What about creating more jobs so that all can prosper. I agree with transformation but not in its entirety. What about the guy who was ushered out of his corporate job to because of AA, he starts a SME to make a living. Now he is being forced out of that sector through BEE. How does he earn a living to feed his family. Equality is a farce. Solution: create more jobs, be more globally competetive.INDIA IS!! - Realist |
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Max Du Preez's myopic article
02/04/2008 11:30
Tell them Kolobe, even Enron in US went bankrupt not because of black people's incompetency. I also consult in Eskom and can tell you that the company is still lilly white and it's failure has got nothing to do AA or EE. There are a lot of useless white guys in Eskom and they do one another favours, even when you go to the regions almost 80% of the department are managed by them, so people must get facts first and get life.
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Trust is the name of the game
02/04/2008 11:32
The tricameral electorate (whites/indians/colored) voted "YES" in 1992 for blacks to be included as voters. Libembe (How do we trust whites to effect "normalisation"?)asks if blacks can trust whites. The answer is yes as per the referendum of 1992. The question is if the blacks trust the whites? So far, I don't see any evidence of such trust. majority are voting based on ethnicity. Well done Max! - kakabooi |
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Siza - rubbish boet
02/04/2008 11:35
Eskom DID make the decision to get rid of white people. If you want a copy of the letter then just drop your email in here and I will send it to you. They did not fire them, they just refused to advance them, demoted them, or offered retrenchment packages. As for PADKOS and the others who refuse to mentor. Tsk, tsk. I mentored in my company before retrenchment and they now employ my business as professional mentorship facilitators. I make money out of my previous maturity. Try it sometime. - Excalibur |
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Please keep it civil guys
02/04/2008 11:37
C'mon people,there's no need to always go down the racial insults path.None of us are completely right or wrong,and that is the problem when approaching these various discussions from our many differing backgrounds and perpectives on the issues.Interesting discussion nonetheless. - The Truth |
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A worrying mindset
02/04/2008 11:39
Ngwazi said above that "...according to the current "white" mindset of generalisation , any Black individual who is successful and deserves to be is not deserving to BEE..."
OK, Ngwazi, let's take your argument to its logical conclusion. Does this mean that any white individual (who went through the same education system than you) who is NOT successful and deserves to be IS deserving to BEE? Transformation, therefore, is about punishing whites for the sins of their fathers. The cycle continues - DT |
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What about the white face for the crime stories on News24?
02/04/2008 11:42
Maybe its time we change that little picture for every crime story from a white face in a balaclava to a black one? Lets make this website more representative and accurate please - Dean |
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Why
02/04/2008 11:45
Why would anybody regardless of colour of skin be placed in a position that he or she cant fulfill just because of colour and not of merrit. Could you look yourself in the mirror and think for a second that you desrve this position. I for one will not want to be in a position and be flagged as the colour quota and not on merrit base. Secondly this is about transf that went wrong not race so keep it clean. - Acid0 |
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Why so much energy to highlight the problem?
02/04/2008 11:52
Any right-minded person with half a brain knows what the problems are. Time has arrived to stop talking and start doing. For starters, those with all the supposed knowledge out there, how about offering to contribute instead of holding the country to ransom. And mikehunt, I do not buy your story that they declined your offer to mentor this person - what's the real story? - saliem |
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What a shame
02/04/2008 11:56
What a shame Max, that you assume only whites are good enough to "repair" the crisis in this country. There are plenty of Black (including Indian and Colored) to do much better than their white counterparts. Whites had their chance prior 1994 and NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT MERIT back then. I might add that it a WHITE manager at Eskom that caused this electricity fiasco and not a black person. Get your facts straight boy! Black people will certainly prove you wrong! - NONSENSE |
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Sense -- nonsense -- some sense..
02/04/2008 11:57
Max, I think you should seek the expert opinion from an dye-in-the wool and avowed racist and proponent of revert-to-sangoma-black-is-beautiful-culture as the aspirant archbishop, Barney (aka Blarney) Pityana (aka Blarney's Pyjamas). Unfortunately, "skill" is here equated and measured in terms of melanine. That's why there's no hope for this shit hole. - Lemuel |
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Are white people really struggling?
02/04/2008 11:59
I took a BEE bullet with an international company in heir efforts to attain the equity numbers. Started my own business and doing just fine. I know of only 2 people who struggle(d) because they are white. An architect and an engineering business that can't get govt work because of BEE. The Arch still take 2 overseas holidays a year. Is the new struggle real or just a result of fear, uncertainty and doubt? .. Genuine question. To me, the innovative survive! - By the way |
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Not the whole truth...
02/04/2008 12:12
Eskom does not chase away white skilled employees as you say Max. That is a blatant lie. In whatever institution, you find a combination of more unskilled and less skilled white workers. When you come in as a young professional, you virtually have to train yourself except for Piet and Koos who help out whenever they feel. FINE. Time goes, and in some while you are more competent than them. You get promoted then they have a problem and some move to Australia. Generalisation can be wrong. - Outlaw |
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