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Weighing the benefits
07/05/2008 08:39  - (SA)  

Max du Preez

I've been a columnist for more than a decade, lately contributing to two newspaper groups and two magazines. But writing a column in cyberspace is completely different.

Columnists in the print media are happy if a particular column generates one letter to the editor in reaction. It is seen as proof that your column is being read.

Where my most controversial newspaper columns would sometimes elicit three or four letters, I can get more than a hundred responses from News24 readers within the first few hours of the column being published. (Those that aren't published on the website get sent straight to me.)

Yes, it's great to have such strong and immediate feedback. Some of the responses are really intelligent and considered, even if they're sometimes very critical of my opinions.

But here's my gripe of the week. Too many of the responses are entirely predictable and shows how prejudiced and stuck in our ways South Africans have become.

When I wrote about Thabo Mbeki's scandalous behaviour regarding Zimbabwe, almost all black readers defended him and questioned my bona fides - you're a white racist, that's why, some would state outright.

At the same time all the white reactionaries would crawl out of the woodwork and applaud my criticism - many adding that South Africa under the ANC was heading the same way as Zim.

This is true for almost every one of the columns I have written for News24 over the last year or so. The darkies applaud me when I criticise whites or condemn some form of racism, and the whiteys call me an ANC arse licker or a communist traitor. And when I criticise the ANC or some black personality or institution, the whiteys applaud me and the darkies call me a racist.

Thank goodness for those of you who don't fall into this stereotype. My hopes for normality in our society in my lifetime rest on people like you.

Letting rip

I was having lunch with a few white people on Sunday when I was reminded of this phenomenon. The cartoonist Zapiro had a cartoon in the Sunday Times with the words "Some of the whites who did not benefit from apartheid" on top of a completely blank space.

One white guy let rip: This is hate speech, why do people have the right to insult whites but not blacks, this is completely untrue, blah blah blah. And the other pale ones joined in explaining how they did not benefit from apartheid.

I looked at them and at their cars in the driveway. They were all a lot richer than I am - my car was the only one in the driveway that cost under R350 000 and I was the only one without a huisie by die see. Several of them had children at university or living abroad. The wealthiest one among them inherited the family business which his grandfather started.

Now let me talk for myself for a minute here. I benefited tremendously from apartheid, as did my parents and my children. My father was a fairly well-off businessman and I never knew one single day of hunger or shame because of a lack of appropriate clothes.

I went to good schools and to a good university (Stellenbosch) afterwards. By the time I was 25, I had been to Europe three times.

I walked into my first job (at the Cape newspaper Die Burger) straight after my last exam. I've had a good career. My children have never had a day without healthy meals and good clothes and my two adult children now have good jobs and successful, happy lives.

If my father had been born from a family of black peasant farmers in a Bantustan somewhere or of labourers in a squatter camp during the worst days of apartheid, what would have been the chances of me having a life like that? Zero. Zilch.

I probably would have been jailed for resisting apartheid as a youth or even shot. Or I would simply have become a farm worker or a labourer living in a squatter camp myself.

No big deal

I also have a laatlammetjie who was born long after 1994. She cannot take any blame for what my generation and my father's generation did through apartheid.

But there is also no way I can say she did not benefit from apartheid. Most of her friends and school mates live in squalor in the township and their parents are labourers or domestic workers. She is a privileged child because of my privilege and that of my parents. And that privilege came with our white skins during the apartheid era.

It's no big deal admitting all this to oneself. But it does change the way one looks at this society today. It tends to make one slightly more thankful and humble.

Having said all this, I must add that I'm equally irritated by the fact that those black people who most often and most aggressively remind white South Africans of their "wealth" are not the workers or the poor.

Like Thabo Mbeki who keeps harping on about the "two nations, one white and rich and the other black and poor", they are mostly black South Africans with lots of power and lots of money.

Perhaps it is also time for the new black elite to come clean on their privileged lives and stop bitching while there's a BMW or two parked in the garage.

Send your comments to Max.

Disclaimer: News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views. The views of columnists published on News24 are therefore their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24. News24 editors reserve the right to edit or delete any and all comments received.

 
 

 
     
  And the truth will set us free
07/05/2008 08:50
Hello my name is Gail and I benefitted from apartheid - Gail
 
  I too benefited....
07/05/2008 08:53
Since much like you, I received a good education, decent clothes and never went hungry - yes, I have worked very hard to be in the position I'm in now, but I'm only in the position to do so because my ancestors had white skins. Fantastic column Max, well written (as always) and thoughtful. Keep it up! - Rodders
 
  Rich or Wealthy?
07/05/2008 08:54
I've had this conversation with a black colleague a while ago over a beer. Most blacks seem to think whites are rich, I said. Yes, he said, but rich does not mean wealthy. According to him, the both of us were rich because we had jobs and enough extra money to buy 6 beers and a packet of wors on the weekend. Wealthy was something else. I agreed, but it seems confusion can arise according to perspective. - Deon Coetzee
 
  Draw a difference
07/05/2008 08:57
Millions of people were disadvantaged severely by apartheid, but why does that mean I benefitted. I simply got the treatment as a white person that all races should have received. I did not receive anything extra on top of it. I do not look at as special preference bur rather the norm that was denied other race groups. I suppose it's all in the wording/semantics? - AJ
 
  White Privelege
07/05/2008 08:58
Max, Do you believe that your life would have been different in another country where there are both rich and poor but where these divisions are not governed by race? The problem with us Saffers is that we reduce every discussion or debate to race. Every country has rich and poor, priveleged and non-priveleged! The debate should be about how to uplift the poor, not how to uplift the blacks! - Richard
 
  Re:Benefiting from apartheid
07/05/2008 09:01
Your daughter (I), canot take any blame, though we might have benefited... I am a believer in its not what you are given, but what you do with what you are given. No one else sat and completed my education for me - I alone did it. And i refuse to have to pay for the sins of my fathers. Also I believe anyone with hard work and good business skills can improve their living standard. - ofcorsa
 
  Colour Issue
07/05/2008 09:01
Amen to your comments Max. And I agree with you on both the have's and have nots. We should appreciate what we have and work to uplift everyone around us. From a Cape Coloured. - Rodney
 
  Spot on.
07/05/2008 09:05
The article is bound to raise hundereds of responses but all in all, everything that was said here, like it or not, is true. - Brian
 
  Some clarity, finally
07/05/2008 09:06
Thanks for making this point. Too many of us have a knee jerk reaction and get infuriated when someone who represents our race is, what we think, unfairly criticized. It reminds me of the Obama and Hillary race - when speaking to people here, its usually the darkies who want Obama to win and the female whiteys who want Hillary to win. Thankfully there are a few who are knowledgeable about the subject at hand and can separate the facts from racially inspired fiction. - Lin
 
  excuse me Max
07/05/2008 09:07
I would like to catergoricaly state, that I as a white 30 year old South African - African did not benefit from apartheid and would like to say that any who thinks otherwise can go to hell...I went to school I got an education, my parents where poor and lifted themselves up off the ground and tried to give me anything they could afford - I thank them for that - I dont thank apartheid or current goverment or old, my parents and myself strived - we got nothing on a platter...we fought for it - bob
 
  Benefit
07/05/2008 09:07
How true! Yes I am also a white who derived direct benefit from Apartheid, my children have an education and a good start in life, I live well and have never known hunger or the bite of winter cold intimately. Once I got the benefit I worked long and hard hours, often sacrificing quality family time to give my children the same or better opportunities.Once I got the benefit I WORKED and I will never give up what I have, That! is the threat not accepting others must also now be given opportunities - Shaun
 
  True but.....
07/05/2008 09:07
just because 'all whites' have benefited from apartheid does not mean that they should all be punished for it. How would you feel if your youngest daughter couldnt get a job, even though she is well qualified, because she is white. Would the same scenario not be playing itself out again in 20yrs time, but this time the whites complaining that 'all blacks' benefited from EE/AA and that whites (your daughters generation) were discriminated against? - Gus
 
  Now I understand
07/05/2008 09:07
Damn Max my boy - You really opened my eyes! Good article. ;) Later - The Dude
 
  Point Taken
07/05/2008 09:10
You make a very good point. The question remains when will we leave the past in the past and move forward together. Everyone makes mistakes and the time has come to move on. - Renier
 
  Do 2 wrongs make a right?
07/05/2008 09:10
It is plausable that all whites in SA benifited from apartheid, just like all blacks in SA are now benifitting from Affirmative action. But I hear you say, the blacks that are benifitting from AA still have to work and have an education. Funny, the whites had to do that to under Apartheid. - Tank
 
  Yeah
07/05/2008 09:10
Dead right Max. Lately im enjoing your colums more and more. All very true. - Herman
 
  Flip side...
07/05/2008 09:12
I grew up dirt poor, I had to wear second hand clothing to school, I had to walk while my friends got their parents to drive them, or ride on their bicycles. I was working at 13 delivering papers to bring some money into the house. My father and mother often battled to make ends meet, only my sister made it to Technikon because that is all they could afford, I went and did a trade so we still had money coming in. No car in the driveway. But yes I did benefit, I received perks as a white person. - Point Blank
 
  Agreed
07/05/2008 09:12
I'm a 35 year old white South African and I couldn't agree with you more. I'm really tired and bored of people constantly living in little mental boxes. It isn't that difficult to try and see life from other peoples points of view, and to be just a little more accommodating. We're all in this together, why can't people see that. It drives me moegoe, it really does. - Lawrence
 
  Agree 100%
07/05/2008 09:12
The education I received as a white person in the 80's was amongst the best in the world. The education offered to blacks was amongst the worst. This has ensured that I make a good living and that my kids go to good schools. Its that simple. Cant wait to read juan's drivel. - greggo
 
  Oh really?
07/05/2008 09:12
...and no BLACK person can claim they are not benefitting from AA/EE/BEE right now. So does 2 wrongs make a right? - UrBaN
 
  In perpetuity
07/05/2008 09:12
Agreed on your sentiment Max.We all seem to have a ball and chain in S.A.Hopefully we can look to a future where this jaundiced subject is dead and buried.Maybe we are digging its grave by the ammount of attention it's given. - psycobabble
 
  Agreed
07/05/2008 09:12
I'm a 35 year old white South African and I couldn't agree with you more. I'm really tired and bored of people constantly living in little mental boxes. It isn't that difficult to try and see life from other peoples points of view, and to be just a little more accommodating. We're all in this together, why can't people see that. It drives me moegoe, it really does. - Lawrence
 
  Yes I can
07/05/2008 09:12
Also say that certain race groups need to pick themselves up and stop blaming everything else on there layziness, inaptitude, corrupt mentality......15 years into democracy and people are still sitting on the fence pick yourselves up....The romans would have conquererd Africa very easily with these attitudes that certain race groups have...The Ndungani where a corrupt bunch of tribes people - bob
 
  Benefited how?
07/05/2008 09:14
I'm glad to hear that all you guys had easy lives. But please, wake up! It wasn't the same for others, I didn't get the best education, I a white woman had to do casual work to pay my own studies (matric) and when this was done I had to go look for a job in the new SA. I didn't go to bed at night being well fed and warm. You guys prefer to see what you want, maybe people need to stop looking at others to measure their personal wealth. Please stop calling white people priviledged. - Mariaan
 
  I don't know why more people don't agree...
07/05/2008 09:14
... perhaps it's easier to understand put another way: White people were not disadvantaged by apartheid, black people were. Why is it so hard for white people to understand that means, by comparison, they benefitted? - levelheaded
 
  excellent article
07/05/2008 09:14
This is obviously a very touchy subject amongst us whities but it is certainly true. Even though my parents came to this country with nothing and worked their backsides off to provide a good life for me- they would not have been able to achieve what they did with a different colourerd skin. Having said that- as a white twentysomething male- I am also certainly paying for apartheid now. perhaps a bit of poetic justice?? - grant
 
  Yes, but...
07/05/2008 09:14
I'm very aware of being lucky enough to have parents and grandparents with white skins - I also benefited from apartheid. But I resent the stereotype that just because I'm white, I'm a racist. - Lin
 
  benefit
07/05/2008 09:15
So I am white and I benefited from apartheid. Am I embarrassed? - No Am I ashamed? - No Do I have the urge to squirm? Not at all Am I wealthy? - No Get over yourself Max. Save Self flagellation for the loons in the middle east - Dave
 
  Speak for yourself
07/05/2008 09:16
Max, Not every white owns a "huisie by die see", drive a fancy car, live in a mansion, earn an enormous salary, go on frequent hoidays, wear desinger clothes or have university education or kids in private schools. MANY of us, are average white folk, who's parents worked ordinary jobs, with ordinary salaries. Parents who couldn't afford luxury cars, houses, education and other material goods. They did provide security though, and a decent upbringing. Stop generalising. - Stephan
 
  Benefitted from Apartheid
07/05/2008 09:16
All whites benefitted from apartheid but we did not all have control over it. I was 18 years old in 1994 (first time allowed to vote). Many blacks today benefit from BEE/AA. Both equally evil. My daughter is 10 years old and she will be blamed for apartheid. - dhv
 
  Predictable?
07/05/2008 09:16
C'mon Max, you must be aware that your own writing is ever so predictable. Essencially, you take two stances; 1. 80% of the time you will write something to get the whites' goat up (this ensures your continued work for gov mouthpieces) and 2. 20% of the time you write something to piss the darkies off (not enough to loose your job, but enough to get a few whites to reconsider your value) Why don't you do something of real value? Write about Meritocracy vs DEMO-cracy, for SA? - Walt
 
  Wow, an honest white
07/05/2008 09:17
Thanks man. - Athi
 
  Apartheid did not help me
07/05/2008 09:18
I came to South Africa in 1988 from the UK. My experience was entering a school with teachers who spoke worse English than me (I was 13 at the time), and having to do YP. For those too young to know, YP was "Youth Preparedness", where once a week we would dress in a gay-looking army cadet uniform and march for an hour. It was so humiliating. South Africa has serious problems but it is better than the Apartheid days. - James
 
  Max, Max, Max!
07/05/2008 09:18
Whether we were a two year old baby, a pubescent teenager or a mature adult, WHAT can we do about it now? Give it all back? Yes i benefited from Apartheid, i ALSO wasted two of the most important years of my life fighting for something i didn't believe in in the first place. MY QUESTION to everybody who continues to point fingers at our past, WHAT can we do to change things??? - John Camp
 
  Isn't this getting a little old?
07/05/2008 09:18
I reckon a large percentage of level-headed whites will be more than willing to concede the point that they benefited from apartheid; perhaps not the handful of white people you had lunch with, but that's by no means a representative spread of white South Africans. As for whether white benefited or not, the angle that "we" should be more humble and thankful has been beaten to death by columnists and conversationalists alike. How about some black complicity with Apartheid, just for a change? - andre
 
  Opportunity
07/05/2008 09:19
Great article Max. Even though the first time I voted, or was able to vote, was in that groundbreaking referendum, I did benefit. But I'd like to explore HOW we (most whites?)benefited. We had opportunities most black people did not have. We still had to work hard for everything we achieved. My only request is that when redressing the imbalances of th epast, everyone realises that nothing good can be handed to us on a plate - we can't transfer wealth, we have to create it. - WM
 
  Max..Max.,...Max...
07/05/2008 09:20
Chief You are spot-on...I appreciate your view point Max...Finally a whitey that has guts to say it like it is...Max you beaut...Thank you chief - Kolobe
 
  Benefit from Apartheid
07/05/2008 09:21
I am a first generation immigrant. What I have I worked for. Alomost as many doors were closed to me as an immigrant as were closed to Blacks. I also, until becoming naturalised, had no vote. My children have been forced to move to the UK because of the "New" Apartheid. A total inability to obtain work for a decent salary. To some I appear rich, the truth is I earn a reasonable salary which I manage wisely. Maybe being white helped. - Jim
 
  An observation
07/05/2008 09:22
Yes, every white person is a beneficiary of apartheid, just like every black person in a R700 000+ 4x4 is a beneficiary of black economic empowerment. A notable difference between the two is that apartheid benefited all whites while BEE does not all black people. - Wolf
 
  True, but....
07/05/2008 09:23
True, but I suppose so have most of the white people over the world on the back of colonialism then? And do you think that in 40 years time everybody will also say that because you were black during post-apartheid (after 1994 for argument?s sake), black people and their children and their grand children all benefited from the new regime ? I think not. A lot of people benefited form apartheid, and more suffered as a result of it. That?s life ? I have not heard of any benefit that comes without sacrifice lately. Look at any big business or tycoon, and you will see that somewhere along the road they stepped on someone. Apartheid was just the worst of it. All governments are basically corrupt, some less than others. I can?t imagine any country without any history of some sort of human rights violations So we all benefited yes. Will we also all suffer for it ? black and white being equal? - JH
 
  Befefitting from apartheid
07/05/2008 09:23
Hi, I don't deny that, because I was born white, I agree with Max. I have benefitted from apartheid - all whites have. My 2 kids, both still still at school, have also benefitted. We are all very wary of the injustices of the past. The issue I have (or perhaps it's more of a question), just what is expected of us? Apologising on behalf of other whites or for simply being born white doesn't seem to cut it. Are all whites expected to pay for the sins of some whites. - TedHaller
 
  Sounds like you
07/05/2008 09:23
indeed benefitted very nicely, university and never hungry, overseas before 25 and all. So glad for you, lots of others didn't, don't see you doing much to re-address the situation other than talking too much. Maybe I am wrong, but you are typical of the lost generation that got benefits and now feel guilty. Since you are such an intellectual with such a concience, surely you knew back when you were running around Europe that it was wrong? Talk is cheap, get active and stop just talking. - polokwanejohn
 
  Blacks also benifitted economically from Apartheid
07/05/2008 09:23
Apartheid was totally wrong and unacceptable from a moral and human rights perspective. It was disgraceful and shameful. It did however lead directly to an economy that exponentially surpassed that of any other African country. Both Whites and Blacks today benefit from that. Ex Malo Bonum - Out of Evil comes Good. - Hugo
 
  true very true
07/05/2008 09:24
its a pity some white dudes wasted that oppotunity and are now begging in the streets.but as you we cant be the same,this is a capitalist world.what was the black dudes doing when the master got rich.lets hope in the future things will be balanced. - faroza
 
  Nice One
07/05/2008 09:24
Great Article Max, when i saw the heading i thought it would be another one of Jon Q's pathetic racist hate speaches with no point. bet u he drives a BMW !! alwasy nice to start your day with an INTELLIGENT positive column. tx - paulie
 
  Good Points - but what is the solution
07/05/2008 09:25
At what point do we draw the line and stop classing people by the colour of their skin. Just as your daughter should not be punished for your sins the black elite children should continue to reap the rewards. But it is far more difficult to design a system where the excludes certain black and includes certain whites because we don't wear out net worth like our skin colour. We need to also realise that a select few will always have the bulk of the wealth, colour will not matter - Shmee
 
  Unfair...
07/05/2008 09:26
How true Max.. I noticed yesterday in my street a group of black aunties (domestics) waiting for a taxi, yet most of the cars that passed were driven by young, white people. They surely benefitted from Apartheid. So did I. Those black woman are the real heroes of the struggle. They didnt hide in UK or US during the struggle. They fought the war against oppression in the streets. Now they are forgotten and the sissies who fled are revered as the 'struggle heroes'. - Heinrich
 
  Balanced article
07/05/2008 09:26
There are blacks who defied the odds and made it. Those people who had to sacrifice a lot (I am not talking about not going to a party type of sacrifice)to get where they are.Their children then went to the white schools and they are very few of them. There are also black people who were intelligent enough to be something but because of apartheid did not get a chance. This is not blaming apartheid but whites must acknowledge its negative effect on the blacks. Nice article by the way. - Pasta
 
  Benifits or opportunities
07/05/2008 09:27
I am also 'well-off' (and white) compared to most. To get to this position I started with nothing and worked my way up. In other words I used the opportunities I had, which were denied to blacks. Question is, if I started off in Australia, NZ or anywhere else, I would probably have followed a similar career/life path. So it is not Apartheid that benefited me as much as it denied blacks the same opportunities. Those accusing whites of being 'wealthy' are forgetting this. - iceberg
 
  "Old Money's" less flashy sibling...
07/05/2008 09:27
Good article. As a damn-hard-working 26 yr old white male I agree, the majority of whites still benefit from the safety net of our priors having been established in good homes and well paying jobs. Need study money, the folks will access the home loan or get other credit. Need a job, one of your friends will organise an interview through his Dad's business connections. It's almost the "old money" scenario, although we're not talking hard cash, we're talking options and contacts... - Wozza
 
  Listen here
07/05/2008 09:28
I'm black - and sorry to say, but most blacks expect that just because they are black, and it's 14 years after apartheid, means they are entitled to certain things without having to work for it. - Thabo
 
  Apartheid
07/05/2008 09:28
I have to agree 100% with AJ and Richard on this point. The point here is not black and white but the huge gap between rich and poor. It happens in every society but here we emphasise the race issue. If I benefitted from apartheid so be it but the blame game is not going to erase this or make it all go away. We need to look at rich vs poor and not black vs white. - Nicky
 
  Yep, just say it like it is
07/05/2008 09:28
I too benefitted from apartheid. And so will my unborn child - from his first breath in a private hospital paid for by expensive private medical aid. I don't feel ashamed or guilty for being white but I will acknowledge the truth and work hard towards change. Land reform, AA and BEE must continue until we have undone all the wrongs and ALL black South Africans are in the position they would have been if apartheid had never happened. Judge a man by what he does not by his skin colour. - Yam
 
  I never beniffited
07/05/2008 09:29
My parents were extremely poor during the apartheid years,but they made sure that I had food on the table and a school to go to,after matric,I had to go out and work for what I have,I never received any handouts,an I dont want any.I believe every person should work for what they want to have,I lost my father because of apartheid,so you tell me how the hell did I benefit from apartheid???? - creech
 
  Good column
07/05/2008 09:29
Great column max. I agree 100%. However, people in this country seem hellbent on apportioning blame for apartheid. Young people in this country are being held responsible for the mistakes of their parents governments. This is where the problem lies and why so many white youngsters are leaving. They are tired of being blamed for something they didnt do. We need those youngsters to stay, else we will never change SA. - NN
 
  Trying to keep a job
07/05/2008 09:31
I disagree. My kids are white, born after ANC came into power. They disadvantaged at most education instituitions like UCT. They have not benefited at all. Stop writing kak to keep your bosses happy. - Mike
 
  "appetite regime"
07/05/2008 09:31
Hi Max, I honestly believe that you move in the wrong circles to make such a statement that all whites have benefited from apartheid, whilst stating that your vehicle is the cheapest under R350,000. I come from a poor family, even during the apartheid times. I certainly did not benefit from apartheid or lets rather use the African word ?appetite regime?. I do not have a university degree or diploma, could not go to university because we had no money, even if I managed to get a bursary it would not assist because I had to go and work to assist in the financial support of our family. My father was a builder (bricklayer) and at the time in the sixty?s we had just moved from a troubled Rhodesia for a new life in white South Africa. My childhood life was one of extremely hard work and dedication with NO hands out from the government (because we were WHITE). It was the battle of the fittest. Today I earn a moderate salary (own a vehicle below R200,000) and proud of it, based on where I came from. For me and my family, nothing has changed for us between the ?appetite regime? and black enforced apartheid called affirmative action. The difference is that we are determined people with a goal in our lives and we will not rely on benefits because of our colour or race but what we have achieved through pure endurance, respect, honesty and hard work. - hans
 
  A good News24 article at last
07/05/2008 09:31
We moved to Aus. Not because we hate anyone, or think the world (SA) is coming to an end, but just because we felt like a bit of adventure. We had the same argument with friends who denied that the colour of their skin had anything to do with their degrees at the 'Bosch, their parents' wealth. They almost seemed to regret being white and was ridden with guilt because of what they had. Would blacks/yellows/pinks feel guilty if the same happened to them? And should they? Maybe not. - WonderWoef
 
  I agree with you
07/05/2008 09:32
I have often come to your defence that people can call you anything except a racist or an ANC bootlicker.People who think like that are either very ignorant or racist themselves.You are one of the few columnist left who doesn't take sides but try to stand for the truth.Some of us won't forget your role in exposing the atrocities of apartheid,even now you are still vigilant and criticise the present govt when necessary,not only because certain people expect you to do it because of your skin colour - Godfrey
 
  Speak only for yourself ...
07/05/2008 09:33
My mom went to bed hungry. I got my 1st and only car, not new & an Uno, 10 years ago at the age of 25, my mom got her 1st car at +- 45 years old - no Beemer in any of my family's garage!! I pay my own swattings at Unisa I don't look anyone in the eye - I work for a living. I have worked since I was able to hit a till at the OK!! Stop blaming everyone else for the "injustices" you have the power to change your life - just try!!! - Myth
 
  Overly privileged
07/05/2008 09:33
Your column has perfectly summed up what I have been thinking about alot lately. At the age of 25, I have had the privilege of a private school education, the opportunity to obtain two degrees at an excellent university (Stellenbosch again), and lived and travelled extensively overseas. I have only just entered my first job, and I do not have the burden of a student loan or even car payments. All thanks to my parents. I have been ridiculously blessed and will be forever grateful. - Sarah
 
  Not all whites have been privilaged
07/05/2008 09:34
You idiot. Screw you and you privilaged lifestyle , you are the whites that instill the hatred we have in this country. Until you or someone you know have gone hungry dont have a write to comment or speak on behalf of all whites. Reading the above column i so understand and sympathise with the blacks hating the whites, the above is enough to instill a lifetime of hate in anyone not falling into your very privilages upbringing and that of your children - Not all whites benefitted you moron
 
  Yes whites benefited a lot
07/05/2008 09:34
I am glad that you acknowledge that you have benefited from apartheid through the colour of your skin, however what are you doing about it? Why don't you and your fellow whites forgo part of your ill gotten wealth to the disenfranchised blacks who are living in squalor conditions and are daily staring poverty in their eyes. As for the new black elite, really they are not that wealthy and you know it. This should not be viewed as asking for donation or handouts but as a moral obligation on whites. - Calvin Mkhize
 
  I agree, but...
07/05/2008 09:34
this is the part where everyone has to take up the responsibility rectify things. Unfortunately, it also ends when privileged white whingers run to Canada and Australia to apply the skills they acquired under these privileged circumstances. - witseun
 
  benefited ?
07/05/2008 09:36
Just because other people suffered, does not mean that I benefited. All people should be afforded the clothes food and an education regardless of skin colour! I feel really sorry and humble for all people who were/are oppressed. Saying that one benefited is very different to saying one was not oppressed. There is no guilt on my side. Humility and gratitude, yes. Guilt? NO! - Tim
 
  Not all priviledged
07/05/2008 09:36
Max you certainly had a wealthier upbringing than I did - mine was more like PointBlank's. I qualified at 40 as a CA(SA) as my parents couldnt afford to pay for my further education. However, without the excellent apartheid government schooling that I had, I would never have been able to manage my studies. Why have all the GOOD things under the old government been scrapped.Instead of giving EVERYONE the benefits we had, they have destroyed the whole system-education,health system,crime prevention - DW
 
  Paying it forward
07/05/2008 09:36
After a privileged childhood, I was brought down to earth when my father died. My Black friends are surprised to hear that I worked my way through university as a messenger at night.I've work hard to get where I'm now, but not nearly as hard as my black peers whose parents were labourers and who lived in shanty towns.I believe in the principle of Paying it Forward, eg. those priviledged, should do 1 good thing for someone else a day.One day,I hope to help selected students of all races to study. - Doc Lize
 
  Max, Two faces of RSA?, you seem 2 B confused.
07/05/2008 09:36
Did all whites benefit from the past regime, somewhat. Benefit from current regime, definate NO, except for privileged (Black) few. What is needed is for all RSA citizens to pull together? Will this happen, NOT for a few generations. Lets all CHANGE our ATTITUDEs. You refer to stereotyping, from your comments you are LEFTist not realist. Rather promote working together. Lets fight crime together rather than find excuses based on the past. We all deserve what we worked hard for & earned. - Matrix
 
  What a load of rubbish!
07/05/2008 09:37
Being rich/wealthy/poor or under-privileged has nothing to do with the color of your skin, nor has it anything to do with who is governing your country. It is determined by your own particular mindset, values, choices in life and determination. Evidence both rich and poor of every color skin in the world. Show me how the poor whites of this country benefited from apartheid or have been privileged in any way. Thinking its all to do with the color of your skin is a blinkered view of life. - Colleen
 
  apartheid benefits
07/05/2008 09:37
If you had been born in any other developed country you would have had the same benefits. It is wrong to say you benefited from apartheid. It would be more accurate to say that Black people did not benefit from Apartheid. - taurus
 
  @ Renier, Dave etc.
07/05/2008 09:37
Yes its real easy to 'move on' when you've got a roof over your head and a tummy full of porridge my friend. Have some respect. There are many, many South Africans who are still languishing in the hell that we created with apartheid. This whitey tendency to tell everyone to 'get over it' infuriates me - and I'm white! - Yam
 
  Yawn
07/05/2008 09:38
Max, your intro says it all. You're looking for responses - a very mature take on journalism. Crawl back under your rock. - ian
 
  whats in the past keep in the past
07/05/2008 09:39
hey sure apartheid was horrendous!! no white person could begin to imagine what the people went through then but hey its over!!!! Hugo was right in the way that if it was not for the pre-1994 government the economy wouldnt have been where it was in 1994, but honestly can ANYONE tell me that the we could be soo much further if the government didnt push bee so far so quickly? - robert
 
  Well said Max
07/05/2008 09:39
I am humbly touched by your article. Many of the responses from the whiteys are also touching. I am a darkie that was disadvantaged by apartheid, but managed to go to Wits in the 80's. I worked very hard and now have the same std of living with a whitey that went to Univarsity. I am currently benefiting from AA/EE. I would like to urge other priviledged darkies to look after the poorest of the poor. There's plent of them particularly in the rural areaS. PLEASE LET US NOT WAIT FOR THE GOVENMENT. - Mzekezeke
 
  Also
07/05/2008 09:39
Oh, and i forgot to add: "And a good sprinkling of good luck" to my comment - Colleen
 
  Apartheid and "White benefits"
07/05/2008 09:41
Certainly (all?) whites benefited from Apartheid; but so did at least some Blacks and almost blacks. Do you really believe that, for example, our current president would have achieved a similar position in a first world democracy? - morny
 
  Max... you talk rubbish!
07/05/2008 09:41
Max, and all who agree with you: what a load of rubbish! The only people who benefited from Apartheid was the Nat clique that sustained it. I worked on a farm while at school. I went to night classes for 6 yrs to get a university education, which I paid for by working during the day. And since, I have had to scramble for an income in the face of highly discriminatory legislation, in order to support my family. Nothing has ever been given to me - and most people I know have similar lives. - jack
 
  Poor
07/05/2008 09:43
I am in my early twenties, white, male, and poor. I did not benefit. I only hear. - Ben
 
  Max... you talk rubbish!
07/05/2008 09:44
Max, and all who agree with you: what a load of rubbish! The only people who benefited from Apartheid was the Nat clique that sustained it. I worked on a farm while at school. I went to night classes for 6 yrs to get a university education, which I paid for by working during the day. And since, I have had to scramble for an income in the face of highly discriminatory legislation, in order to support my family. Nothing has ever been given to me - and most people I know have similar lives. - jack
 
  Goodness Gracious Me
07/05/2008 09:44
How about the truth and reconciliation...all of you that owns businesses should give me a BEE deal...You benefited wrongly...Thanks Max...Max oh Max...Finally a man that can speak the truth... - Kolobe
 
  Athi and Kolobe ;)
07/05/2008 09:45
Do you agree with the last couple of paragraphs in the article? Are you one of those "new black elites" that complain but have a BMW or two parked in the garage? - dhv
 
  @ Renier, Dave etc.
07/05/2008 09:45
Yes its real easy to 'move on' when you've got a roof over your head and a tummy full of porridge my friend. Have some respect. There are many, many South Africans who are still languishing in the hell that we created with apartheid. This whitey tendency to tell everyone to 'get over it' infuriates me - and I'm white! - Yam
 
  Ubuntu?
07/05/2008 09:46
I urge dialogue to continue with openness and flexibility and a willingness to experience the discomfort instead of run away from it by being defensive. Benifiting from apartheid does not mean that you didn't work hard for what you have. Let's embrace the spirit of ubuntu to rebuild the nation TOGETHER no matter our past or current social positions. I moved back to SA from the USA for this and I will not give up even in the face of AA/BEE and the griping and the violence and the weak ZAR. - AG - a beneficiary
 
  Question answered by Calvin Mkhize
07/05/2008 09:46
Thanks Max, Calvin answered my question with his little pearl of wisdom. Did you hear it folks, Calvin wants us to give everything back because the black elite "are really not that wealthy and we know it" - John Camp
 
  Ubuntu?
07/05/2008 09:46
I urge dialogue to continue with openness and flexibility and a willingness to experience the discomfort instead of run away from it by being defensive. Benifiting from apartheid does not mean that you didn't work hard for what you have. Let's embrace the spirit of ubuntu to rebuild the nation TOGETHER no matter our past or current social positions. I moved back to SA from the USA for this and I will not give up even in the face of AA/BEE and the griping and the violence and the weak ZAR. - AG - a beneficiary
 
  Get over it..... the future is too short
07/05/2008 09:47
Guys I would like to share two quotes Waste not fresh tears over old griefs. -- Euripides The past will never be solved as long as it is constantly dredged up, with 20/20 hindsight we can all read things into the past, and this will not help solve or guide the path forward to the future. As a country SA has been blown apart by silly racism for far too long. What is required is an understanding that as a nation SA faces extreme external pressure and to survive and become a great nation (creating jobs and wealth) a focus on competing on the international stage is required. The people of SA need to look from the outside in (outside of the boarders) and look to find a way forward, not from the inside of one?s mind and into the darkness of despair; this will only drive the system deeper down. Holding on to anger, resentment and hurt only gives you tense muscles, a headache and a sore jaw from clenching your teeth. Forgiveness gives you back the laughter and the lightness in your life. -- Joan Lunden SA used to be the happiest country, have the friendliest people and a bright future, focus on rekindling this magic. - John
 
  Well Done!!!!!!
07/05/2008 09:47
Tell me which party you belong to and I'll vote for you. Max for President!!!Well done ntozakuthi, you're a true South African. - Kay
 
  Apartheid was not a mistake!!
07/05/2008 09:47
Why are we made to feel so ashamed of the strength and intelligence of our ancestors. What they did was nothing more or less than what was done all over the world. Its the law of the jungle. By always helping the weak the entire human race is weakened. Will all you bleeding hearts snap out of it. We worked, we used our brains and our backbone and made something of nothing. Why should we just handover what our ancestors worked to give us to somebody who did nothing to deserve it. - Karen
 
  CONTINUED...
07/05/2008 09:47
What passes for wealth & privelege in this country is modest by any decent standard. What we have as the average white person here, is the barely acceptable minimum. If the state can't provide conditions in which I can have this minimum standard, then they can go fcku themselves. I'll leave. Simple. - jack
 
  Excellent column, Max
07/05/2008 09:48
..and yet so many people think that they didn't benefit, making statements like " I had to work hard for everything I have". Apartheid gave people of certain colour opportunities that were denied to everyone else. The fact that the benefit did not always translate into wads of cash magically falling into white laps doesn't mean that whites didn't benefit.BEE is about creating opportunities for blacks to also achieve. - VG
 
  some whites were more equal than others
07/05/2008 09:49
In the 60s I lived in a 2-bedroomed flat in Pretoria Central with my parents and sister. At primary school I was hit with a metal ruler for not being able to see on the blackboard (I am short-sighted). My high school provided education that was decent, not wonderful. I paid for my university tuition with a student loan. I have never owned a car worth more than R70,000 or any property. What benefits exactly? - angie
 
  Look outside SA
07/05/2008 09:50
Csn you say that a white South African under Apartheid was better off than a white person raised in Europe or North America? Under Apartheid we had inferior services compared to other countries. More importantly, white men had to sign up for a pointless war on the Angolan border. Who remembers Afrikaner gangs looking for "Uitlanders" to beat up? Coming from the UK, Apartheid South Africa was a shock to me. - James
 
  Benefited... and paid the price
07/05/2008 09:51
I'm not rich. I have a property worth R500000 and ride the bus to work because my car doesn't work any more. I'll be lucky if I still have work in 2 months time. I benefited in the work place for a few years, but for the last decade have paid the price in the form of affirmative action. Time to move on. Do I have to pay the price forever? - ashk
 
  benefitted from Europians coming to Africa
07/05/2008 09:52
I benefitted not from apartheid but from clever Europians who was able to come to Africa, endure all sorts of hardships become the dominating nation and developed the country into what it was up untill 1994. Anything after after 1994 has just collapsed and will continue to do so. Thank God for Jan van Riebeek or else I also along with everybody whould have lived in a squatter camp. Look at the rest of Africa they chased all the Europenas away and what happenned. They