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punishment
06/06/2007 10:07
i dont care what law these ignorant politicians make.if my kids are disobedient they will be punished and spanked accordingly. if they want to report me to child services then thats fine, let them grow up in a foster home than have the priveledge of a decent loving family. - sleepy joe |
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Grand spanking failure.
06/06/2007 10:07
Three cheers to Mark Haupt.I could not have put it better myself. A good hiding has never killed any one. Perhaps government should re-think what they are doing before it is too late. Bring back punishment in schools. - Sonja de Wet |
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Please explain...
06/06/2007 10:15
Mark, can you justify resolving violence with violence? That my dear man is idiotic, next time blame video games or violent movies, at least thats a bit more original than blaming the lack of physical punishment. You have no idea under what circumstances these children grow up, unfortuanatly, I get to see this on a regular basis, as I volunteer with a Big Brother project. Instead of blaming government and everything else, get off your behind and do something... - Vernon Wolf |
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punishment
06/06/2007 10:21
Do not go after the lawmakers go get those human rights minority group that feeds these stupids - newlaws |
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Unfortunatley...
06/06/2007 10:26
Well unfortunately Sonja children have died from a 'good hiding' I agree children should be smacked but everyone has a differnet idea on whats a reasonable smack. This goverments totaly useless way of trying to stop the abusers. Goverment should be supporting and educating parents instead of passing inefectual laws - Natalie |
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society !
06/06/2007 10:26
We live in a sick society and therefore our children are exposed to all these horrible doings !If we as a society would change our values & norms maybe the children will also adopt such an attitude.Resoving violence with violence is exactly what is happening today !! We need to change that ! - Gis |
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VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT
06/06/2007 10:30
Such a common saying: "A good hiding has never hurt anyone, or killed anyone for that matter" Truth is, it has hurt, psychological more than physical and it has killed in some cases. I was once beaten semi-unconscious by my dad. Those scares never go away and affects your behaviour throughout life. It may even be kids who were beaten like this whom became killers! Did you study them! If you can't get violence out of your own house, how can you blame society for it idiot! - Christiaan |
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But How?
06/06/2007 10:31
I was brought up in a loving home where I was spanked when I was naughty. I was not abused; I don't have any self-esteem issues and don't feel like I was cheated in life. What did happen was that I learn to respect my parents and other people; I have learned self control and discipline. Is it okay for a child to run wild as he/she pleases? How are we suppose to tell them the difference between right or wrong? You can try talking to them, but when will that turn into verbal abuse? - Still kicking |
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Guys, guys, guys...
06/06/2007 10:32
Vernon, Mark Haupt was not advocating to "resolve violence with violence". And to Mark Haupt: in the News24 article, I read: "Prosecution of a parent or person holding parental responsibilities and rights... may be instituted if the punishment constitutes abuse of the child." For my part, I would argue that there is a place for spanking, when disciplining a child. "Abuse" is something completely different. So please, everyone, let's keep the discussion rational. - Mark Rohwer |
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Ambiguity - Part 1
06/06/2007 10:33
Our law has many ambiguous areas. The concept behind the law is correct, but fundamentally flawed in morally hijacking 1 of our God given rights. Pardon the reference 2 the bible i'm sure it says somewhere that parents r practically expected 2 discipline their own children. Howeva a constitution that upholds Justice & rights & all those lovey dovey fantasies that rarely show their grace in SA. Neglect Discipline? - MP3 |
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Ambiguity - Part 2
06/06/2007 10:37
I understand that some parents do go overboard & this should not be condoned, but then the constituation should merely ammend itself to these incidents. Not the entire nation that is trying desperately to maintain control on already out of control drug abusive, destructive teenage behaviour. Apply logic where possible government. Logic & Government ? Water & Oil? Mix? - MP3 |
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Spare the Rod and Spoil the fool
06/06/2007 10:50
I'm not one to usually quote the bible but I do remember a phrase along those lines.Back when we where young ,when ever we got out of hand a spank here and there kept us in check. Look at what kids do these days because of lack of discipline, school stabbings, sex at 12 yrs 13, babies having babies..beating up of teachers, the list is sickeningly long.!!! A majority of these undisciplined BRATS are the ones who grow up to be criminals due to sparing that ROD! - Mjavas |
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Spare the rod, spoil the child
06/06/2007 10:51
Government can go to hell.When they start paying for my childs upbringing,clothing,food,medical aid,schooling etc, they can tell me how to raise my child. Until then, I will discipline MY child how I see fit. - Rikki |
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What is the real reason?
06/06/2007 11:03
Punishment, of cause within limits, of unruly youngsters is part of growing up. It teaches them how to behave correctly in a social environment. Even animals dish out punishment to get youngsters back in line. What is the real motivation for this new law? - ZS6LOG |
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Spanking
06/06/2007 11:23
All i can say to the government is that they must go to the nearest HELL! Kids need to be disciplined at home and at school. The government needs to concentrate on more serious issues like rape of kids and women,child labour and the worst of all the CRIME in this country!
Concerned tax payer - Phindile |
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Ignorant Fools
06/06/2007 11:29
Lovers of corporal punishment will no doubt remember the abuses thereof that happened at SA schools. In addition these "love the rod" goons should look up the "Bobo Doll" experiment to isolate the effects of an environment of aggression on people/children. Then you will have a bit of education into the extreme negativity of beating people. Linking the lack of corporal punishment to increased aggression is perverse - aggression breeds aggression, not prevents it. - Observer |
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Naughy Corner
06/06/2007 11:34
I guess I will have to try the 'naughty corner' as a means of displine. Will this work on a 3 year old that tests me ALL day?? I understand that this law is to protect children against abuse but unfortunately parents who abuse their children will continue to do so regardless of the law or consequence. Seems to me that the 'ordinary' parent will battle against these laws. I was smacked and had major boundaries and I am all the better for it. - Mom of boys |
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Religion ADVOCATES Violence
06/06/2007 11:35
To use religion as a substantiation for corporal punishment is arcane. Religion has only survived by indulging in the grossest forms of terror and any of the "rod supporter" commentators here should remember that. Anyone who reads the bible or Koran or looks at ecclesiastical history would know this. Fuck religion and all you advoates of corporal punishment. - Paul |
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voilence???
06/06/2007 11:40
why do people associate displining your child with "violence". no one ever said beat your child unconscious till they need medical attention. you cant have a rational discussion based on mutual respect and understanding with a 2 year old kid and expect them to listen. they aren't mentally mature enough to grasp the concept. its the only way to teach them there are consequences for their actions. - sleepy joe |
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Spare the rod
06/06/2007 11:42
Government will reap what it sows - The O' Jays |
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Punishment VS Inappropriate Physical Mistreatment
06/06/2007 11:47
Punishing a child for misbehaving is part of the needed factors which will form an upstanding citizen, but unfortunately some people see punishment in a different light. Go to any child welfare organization and your eyes will open to what extent punishment is misunderstood/misused. People should learn to use other methods of curbing their children. Aggression is not the answer to peaceful minds. - ElectroMan |
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Still going to happen
06/06/2007 11:50
This is absurd. Those parents that beat their children senseless probably have no respect for the law in the first place, so will continue to do it, and those good parents who do respect and obey the law now cannot choose to punish their children. In other the government has just wasted our time, tax payers money (their salaries), as well as some much needed electricity and last but not least air... Get a life... - Jacques |
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Give them a spank
06/06/2007 11:50
I grew up in the 80's watching violent on TV from the A team to 21 jump street, even Chaka Zulu. We never took a spear or a knife to stab some one with it, so stop blaming TV. We even watch (The bold and the beautiful) and you didn?t see anyone acting like Broke. Its time we discipline our kids like our parents did. Give them a spank - A |
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