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What an absurd argument!
05/07/2007 16:46
Proof that a lot of South Africans still don't understand how DEMOCRACY works (and no it doesn't only mean having a right to strike). The "moaning" opposition parties all have what they believe working solutions for fighting crime - they just cannot impliment them because the GOVERNMENT of the day decides what gets done by whom and how. You're supposed to VOTE for the party who you believe has the most workable solution to the country's problems (be it crime, poverty, unemployment, AIDS). Sheesh! - J.O |
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huh
05/07/2007 16:46
no doubt you support the ANC.. if no1 complained i think the crime rate would be through the roof as this government only really acts when there's a chance of serious consequences. it shows when someone connected to the ANC has had a crime committed against them. notice how quickly the culprits are caught therefore making your article redundant. - chucky |
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Rant & Rave
05/07/2007 16:49
I agree with most of what you've said. The opposition parties should give solutions and stop moaning. The ruling party will always be subjected to this type of behaviour though and they should do something to prove the opposition wrong. That, I doubt, will happen.
As for your last 2 words - don't lower yourself to name calling, it's not worth it. - Me |
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A party of Moaners
05/07/2007 16:55
By his own admission Mabapa does not belong to "any political party and don't see 'himself' doing that soon either" but it is clear he is failing to grasp the very conerstone of democratic politics: opposition parties.
Further, opposition parties wants to be elected into goverment so that other parties can oppose them. To offer them goverment as he suggests, is just feeding into their strategies. They have to earn their victories like we did. I suggest he joins a political party so very soon. - Mikosi |
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Party of Moarners
05/07/2007 16:59
If we had no opposition parties, all this statistics would not be made public in the first place or they would be cooked before publication. This is Africa broer. (TIA) - Mikosi |
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Thats what they are supposed to do!
05/07/2007 17:07
Molemo, thats why they are called the oposition. At this moment the ANC is the goverment with their candidate leading the country. Thats why they, and no one else is to be blamed for high rate of crime. They have appointed Jackey Selebi (and still supports him). He is useless and openly associates with thugs like Glenn Agliotti. We have an excelent rate of tax collection, so money is not the problem. Incompetent govt ministers are. - Andy |
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You may be right
05/07/2007 17:13
As far as I remember the Goverment of National unity went the way of the dodo in about 1996, since then the ANC has tried to divide parliament along the lines of ANC, Black, Good, liberation heroes..White,ungrateful, greedy and the other parties as basically traitors or laughing stock.Showing Nqakula and "my chinas are all" gangsters Selebi the door after 5 years of bad performance is a pretty good suggestion, I would be fired from work for doing a bad job in a week. - me |
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Should opposition just keep quiet?
05/07/2007 17:14
Molemo. Dude.
Should we (citizens) just keep quiet? Especially with people like McBride in a top job? With people like Selebi, who openly consorts with known criminals in charge of the police? Should we bury our heads in the sand, and not point out that the government has failed massively? Did it ever occur to you that 'moaning' is in fact a form of taking action?
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Molemo you're just bitter because the DA run CT!
05/07/2007 17:16
In any democratic government the purpose of the opposition is to draw attention to the government's failings so as to keep them on their toes. Secondly, the DA can't do anything about crime because they are not in power. But they have made efforts - see the plan to get the cell phone companies to help trace missing children. I seldom anything from government other than denial (there is no skills shortage), then stating the obvious (er we have a problem!)and then putting the blame elsewhere! - May |
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Molemo
05/07/2007 17:17
Please, man. The government has its job to do and that is to fight crime with all the rescources at its disposal. But with special resources such as Selebi and Nqakula, who are the "clueless chihuahuas" you so impudently refer to. The opposition's role is to highlight the governments shortcomings in this regard which are still going very longcomings if the record is anything to go by. Nqakula - "we have a problem....". So do you. - Dee |
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What an absurd argument?
05/07/2007 17:20
It just shows that people believe that government owes them and we'll stand at the side-lines and complain.True that,ANC is the majority party,but the core of the article,just need answers from the party critics of measures they implement in their respective communities.Are they working?and if they are working,then we won't be having such "high" crime rate.E.g,Cape Town is one of the most affected city,is ANC also to be blamed?Molemo (Cpt)- healthy debate! - Molemo |
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Moaning vs power
05/07/2007 17:33
Interesting that Selebi seems to ask what others are doing about crime. It isn't their responsibility. He has the power and the purse-strings. It is thus his responsibility.
Those who moan are those without the power and the tax coffers, and want the one who is hired to do something to actually do something, rather than ask what they are doing. How childish. - MJ |
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moaners
05/07/2007 17:34
The reason people are moaning is that they have a right to show dissatisfaction. The Govt has a responsibility to protect the citizens. Police should be very well paid and should deliver good service or be released. If dockets go missing or prosecutors are not able to convict and sentence, there should be a huge question mark regarding the system. Why should members of the public be called upon to do police work. We are too involved in making our homes as safe as possible - sheila |
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erm again..
05/07/2007 17:35
Erm the government does 'owe us' bud. It owes everyone to be doing a good job. Its suppose to be working for the people remember? Well the only party I see doing anything in my neck of the woods is the DA - they the ones putting water and sewerage services in the du Noon settlement - not the government. Oh and everyone knows that most of the crime happens in Gauteng so it skews the figures somewhat.. - May |
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Did I read this correctly?!!
05/07/2007 17:42
Good God I?m getting sick of people who cannot handle criticism. Every time we voice an opinion about any subject, we are labelled as moaners, racists, white whiners etc. But the reality is, there is a massive problem in this country and it seems the only reaction defenders of our incompetent government have, is to call us moaners. Our crime rate is 10 times that of the US, which means that with a population of some 45 million, we have twice the number of rapes and murders compared to a country whose population is just over 300 million. But I guess I better not criticize poor old Molemo for fear of being branded a whinger. Unless Molemo thinks crime is under control?? - gestapo |
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God help us
05/07/2007 17:50
It beggers belief that in 2007 people are still ignorant of the workings of government and take exception to anybody (quite rightly) pointing out that the ruling party are not delivering on their OWN mandate! It just shows utter contempt for what we all fought to achieve in the 1994 elections - Molemo, I weep for you and those like you - open your eyes my brother...Antman - Antman |
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For Molemo
05/07/2007 17:54
Molemo says..."It just shows that people believe that government owes them...". You are a taxpayer right? What do you think you pay tax for? Go back to the drawing board and think about this some more. - WCS |
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Ridiculous
05/07/2007 17:59
It's the ANC's mandate. They are in power and so it is up to them to lead the way in reducing crime. Yes, the community must assist, but they take their lead from the people in power. People like Charles Nqakula and Jackie Selebi who between them are about as useful as ashtrays on motorbikes. To suggest the opposition should stop opposing is quite simply ridiculous. - Jas |
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Jeepers!
05/07/2007 18:12
Hey man! Are you crazy?! I pay a fortune in TAXES to the GOVERNMENT to take care of crime, provide service etc etc. These CIVIL SERVANTS must do what they are paid to do and STOP making EXCUSES and playing the BLAME GAME. Catch a wake up. - Andrew |
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Moaners
05/07/2007 18:15
You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone - not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be. - Chris |
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Economics
05/07/2007 18:19
you pay for a can of coke at the shop, you enjoy it.
I pay for safety and security and policing and armies and 1m rand fences for MP's etc.
I enjoy nothing.
Ever heard of taxes eh? - A non -e- mouse |
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No decent opposition for the people.
05/07/2007 19:31
The problem is that SA does not have a decent opposition. I would have loved nothing else than to see a situation where ANC gets a real run for its money but sadly they will do absolutely nothing about crime because they know that a majority of blacks will never vote for a white party.So they do as they please.Thats why you here statement like "they can whine till they are blue in the face...." - 49cent |
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Incapable of really managing
05/07/2007 19:41
A large part of the ruling ANC government always think in large metaphysical terms: things will magically get right (viz. crime, poverty, education) when everyone (black & white) believes in the common good and are truly patriotic and altruistic. However, this is sophistry and if things are going to get better, it's time to start managing these government departments properly and to realise fighting crime, poverty etc is like trench warfare: slow, incremental advances as well as many setbacks. - Longbow |
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