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Picked on Merit, not Colour
08/04/2008 13:15
I for one, am colour blind to the players in our team. Always have been (Partly due to the fact that I'm not a big sports enthusiast). Hopefully these guys can set a perfect example for the rest of the guys, government, players and supporters. Pick the BEST players. If they happen to be black/white, kickass. Rawk on dudes. - Sinudeity |
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Martin Gee
08/04/2008 13:16
My hat off to you!!!Now I toast with you to a truelly transformed rainbow nation...Is this not what we are fighting about..a truelly transformed rugby team.. - Kolobe |
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Well said
08/04/2008 13:16
Yes Jon Q, Mike Stopiel, what say you? - Marc |
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Immediate Change....
08/04/2008 13:19
Drop the Old Boks team with their emblem and appoint this young patriots immediately to the spingbok team...Now peter De villiers does not have an excuse.... - Kolobe |
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Kudos!
08/04/2008 13:20
Was great to watch these guys on Sunday! The best bit is that they are (and we are) in no doubt that their selection is merit based. Viva "Rainbow Boks" - kris |
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Well said!
08/04/2008 13:21
They were simply awesome this weekend! Well done Bokke! - John Camp |
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And each one of them is there on merit
08/04/2008 13:25
Well said Martin. I think that the key here is transformed & not quotas. I must admit though that it would be nice to see an Indian face in the squad. - saliem |
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Those players will hopefully not dissapear into
08/04/2008 13:27
thin air with no political pressure, what happened to the black players in Jake's white under 21 team?
At least now with Peter De Villiers as coach, they'll get the chance in the main squad. Im holding my breath because the country doesn't need any more negative publicity. - tshepo |
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The Game
08/04/2008 13:28
I watched the game on Sunday, and dammit was I proud of the boys. The all Black till up to that point won every match the past year, but our boys made them look like nothing. My hat off to the couching staff and the 7 Springboks. Transformation is not needed, only talent wins, as Sunday showed. - padkos |
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Kolobe - Now, now...
08/04/2008 13:31
don't go getting ahead of yourself again. There is a world of difference between 15- and 7-a-side. Merit selection must prevail and natural attrition will do the rest. - saliem |
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Kolobe
08/04/2008 13:36
We will keep the emblem.It belongs to all the people of South Africa and is proudly worn by all because it is a winning emblem (I don't expect for you to understand its true value).I pity you for your lack of knowledge oo most subjects,not least of all the game of rugby football.Why don't you go and see if you can score a triple hundred this time against your local pre-school team? - The Truth |
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@ Kolobe
08/04/2008 13:37
"Drop the Old Boks team with their emblem and appoint this young patriots immediately to the spingbok team...Now peter De villiers does not have an excuse.... - Kolobe" Ai man why must you now spoil the happyness SA have for their team. - padkos |
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Beg to differ
08/04/2008 13:37
Actually this isn't the best 7's team that could be picked. All the best players is playing in the S14 and for the record that includes white and black players. By the way who said this team was picked on merit. C'mon please do some research.
Yes Kolobe this is what your figting for make everything black regardless who's the best. I'll support any SA team regardless of its colour makup. You retard you. - HS |
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Hear Hear
08/04/2008 13:41
Well said Martin. I agree whole heartedly with all you said. With minimal interference from the government it just goes to show that a passionate coach and passionate players already have all they need to succeed, whatever colour they may be!! - Fred |
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apples with apples
08/04/2008 13:41
One thing often overlooked with all this quota rubbish has a lot to do with race and not talent. The bokke are recogognised worldwide for our forward play and this is due to the fact the the afrikaans farmers are built for the positions whereas the black population are generally smaller and more agile. hence even in the 15man game you'll find most black appointments in the backline. this fact cannot merely be changed with quotas. - hustler |
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Kolobe...
08/04/2008 13:41
...did you not notice that Martin clearly differentiates between 7's and normal rugby.You support him with the one comment then write kak with the next.Stop trying to imitate Jon Q. - Denzil |
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Well said Saliem
08/04/2008 13:43
and Kolobe, why drop the emblem? Every rugby player wants to be chosen as a Springbok now you want to take that opportunity away? - John Camp |
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Breath of fresh air
08/04/2008 13:43
Its great to watch a South African side win. Its even greater not to have the normal political banter that normally goes with anything to do with high profile sport. 7'S Rugby is fairly high profile & excellent to watch. Lets hope it grows into one of our top supported sports. Well done team. - Malcolm X |
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Transformation...
08/04/2008 13:44
People like Kolobe should bear in mind that "Transformation" does not mean that the team(s) in question should have a higher percentage of players of colour, but real "transformation" will be achieved when the rest of the country agree that the best team is taking the field irrespective of colour, and then be supportive of that team. Then only can we say we are truly transformed. - Nick |
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And there it is...
08/04/2008 13:45
Merit is key! I saw these guys play and they were brilliant!!! They really ran circles around those guys!!! Well done and well deserved!! - Big R |
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Great
08/04/2008 13:46
I have not even notcied that before you mentioned it , Well done to the players , to SA Rugby , Take note !!! Things can sort themselvs out without you monkeys interfering !! - charlie |
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Saliem
08/04/2008 13:47
Chief!! if Merit was anything to go by then the under 21 world champion (transformed)team would have made it in the current Springboks team...Merit means total transformation in my books...Gee is spot On.. - Kolobe |
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Truly Transformed - Ha
08/04/2008 13:49
Come on wake up from La LA land or do you have a serious crush on Alice. The sevens is completely transformed because SA Rugby do not care what they do and how much they win. That is why no one is saying nothing - But, it is players like the seven squad which we need in the bok team, because these guys are super fit and they know how to play the running game. If you want true players of class being chosen on merit, give six or maybe even seven of these players a shot at the back-line and forwards - Realist2 |
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Proud
08/04/2008 13:50
Yes I'm very proud, but as a whitey would still like to see more non white guys play the 15 man game!!! It can only be good for the game,I mean we would have a bigger pool of players to choose from!! But I don't want to see non white guys there just because of their skin color but by merit. - Mark |
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Transformation
08/04/2008 13:51
Transformation = 0 white players in a team - Mr bones |
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"natural attrition" Saliem?
08/04/2008 13:54
That sounds an awful lot like the process which the Chinese are using to destroy the final traces of all things Tibetan.It actually sounds more like a term the Nazi party would have come up with. - The Truth |
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Quota's got them there!
08/04/2008 13:54
Don't be foolish. The black players would never have got the chance to play for the SA Sevens tea, had there not been quota targets. This is not to say that they don't deserve to be there, they certainly do. The bottom line though is that without the need to transform they would never have been given the oppurtunity to show that they deserve to be there. Your argument is flawed. - VLS |
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Transformation
08/04/2008 13:55
It is through transformation that these young players will ever get an opportunity to play for the senior squad. If merit is the key and transformation irrelevant, then the previous World Cup-winning junior boks would have featured in Jake White's squad. So i don't understand the logic of decrying transformation as if those who get given opportunities are not deserving of them. It's as if there's a metaphysical deity somewhere that selects the seniour boks on merit and merit alone ... - TheOne |
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That's how the springboks should look like...
08/04/2008 13:56
I agree the Bok 7s is truly tranformed, hope to see the same in the main springboks. This proves that it doesnt take a white only team to win and that merit does not apply to whites only. - Tranformed |
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VLS
08/04/2008 13:59
Thank you...Well said and nothing more to add... - Kolobe |
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Saliem Joined LA LA LAND
08/04/2008 14:03
How can you proclaim merit selection takes place when idiots like Steyn is being shifted around in search for the best position for him to play. Where is the merit in this selection. He has been ill performing the entire Super 14 and people like Dollie is being shifted to Currie and is doing brilliantly and Earl O where art thou. - Realist2 |
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Merit my @....
08/04/2008 14:05
Kolobe if you don't know anything about rugby don't comment on it. Who said the team was chosen on merit? All the best players is playing in the S14 that includes black and white. SA can prob pick 10 better teams than this. The same goes for NZ and Aus. - HS |
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Just for the record Kolobe
08/04/2008 14:20
We are not currently the u21 World Champions.The All Blacks have the title as far as I know after klapping Mr. de Villiers and his Baby Boks in the last tournament. - The Truth |
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awesome - but re: Bok emblem
08/04/2008 14:24
Bok emblem is going nowhere. Why? Because all players, black and white want to play for the Springboks.
Sorry for u Kolobe and co.
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Pieter De Villiers needs to follow
08/04/2008 14:24
I hope Pieter De Villiers follows Treu Examples and select a lot of black players and yes on Merit and actually play them. Not the usual ten players with seven playing in the same position, which means they cancel each other. We need more coachess fo Treu @ provincial and super 14 level. - Tebzano |
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VLS
08/04/2008 14:25
Well said! The argument is so flawed. As a matter of fact, when this seven's team lose, transformation is the problem to the eyes of these whingers, and when it wins, there is no need for transfromation. People just want to whinge all the time. - Z |
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Football vs Aussie rules
08/04/2008 14:32
Please guys, let's compare apples with apples here. Sevens to Rugby union is what football is to Aussie rules. Paul Treu has done a sterling job with the 7's BUT for certain elements to suggest that replacing the current team with "this young patriots" shows your complete lack of knowledge. - John Camp |
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7's
08/04/2008 14:33
Guys we will have a lot more black players that?s able to perform if SA Rugby stop pointing the transformation finger, and start to grow the game in the townships. Invest money in facilities, coaching, gear and scholarships. To me aplayer like Brayn Habana should not even count as a ?quota? or player of colour because he was never disadvantaged, he went to the best schools and received the best education. Kolobe what do you think? - Christo |
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sevens vs Rugby union
08/04/2008 14:36
I don't wanna damp you enthusiasm, but sevens is not as big in New Zealand (or the world for that matter) as Rugby Union, making it a good place for a country such as South Africa to allocate energy in order to "proof" racist ideological experiments.Any selection criteria that selects or prevents players on the basis of colour is racist.If more activism makes the status quo in South Africa known, the world sports bodies will be compelled by their own constitutions to expell South Africa. - kwk |
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The Truth
08/04/2008 14:37
I am surprised by the lack of information especially in rugby, I was watching that game you moron. allow me to enlighten your ass,South Africa that won the inaugural , under 21 world cup against new Zealand, the walloped the all blacks 15-12 you idiot... - Kolobe |
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Z - Whinge
08/04/2008 14:37
Aren't you busy whinging yourself? The thing is, there is a wrong way, and a right way to do anything. Personally, I think the government is trying to force transformation. You know, quickfixit. Maybe you are right. If they lost, quota would have been blamed. I do see this, as the way forward. - Sinudeity |
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Kolobe
08/04/2008 14:39
Why the hypocrisy - one one hand you cheer the transformation and the next you want to scrap the springbok emlbem ... The same emblem that has done more for unity than any other institution... i.e. the 1995 World Cup Rugby and the 2007 Rugby world cup. The only time I can recall there being any more sense of unity apart from those two events was Madiba doing his Dance after being released?
This 7's team is the future and I agree that while transformation on merit is slow, it's the best policy. - MikeT |
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Kolobe Kolobe Kolobe
08/04/2008 14:42
There must always be one. What he is trying to say is these players deserve to be in the side. And have worked hard to get in the side and have not been pushed in by your mates in SA Rugby. Stofile and Friends. And no we are not fighting for a truley transformed side Kolobe. We are fighting for the best players to play in the team. You sound like Hoskins side kick are you trying to get a job. - Gary |
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No Place for quotas
08/04/2008 14:43
Those guys will never know if they were the best or not. They will take it to the grave because of policies being advocated by guys like kolobe. Are you so scared that the whites will not pick you all of the sudden if quotas are dropped? Is that your fear? I say dont worry, white people want to win, so if the blck guy is good enough chose him! The aparthied days (which many whites incidentally did not approve of) is over. blacks will be chosen on merit. Why force it and make everyone miserable? - Charl |
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One-eyed celebration
08/04/2008 14:47
I hate being negative, especialy after such a super achievement but sadly I have to agree with some comments here, Habana, Ndungane etc would never have been given the chance at 15's rugby if it were not for quota's, you're living in dreamland if you think our coaches are forward thinking enough to overlook the colour of the skin. Luckily Treu as a former 7's player himself knows this and is giving as many deserving players of colour a chance as possible. - Lesego |
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Transformation in sport is missing the point of sport!
08/04/2008 14:51
glad the 7s side won. Well done! However, sport is a competition i.e.merit should be the only criteria.Selectors should rather be unbiased. If people like kolobe feel that SA rugby veterans are racists, then get international selectors to pick the team. Just STICK TO MERIT! Many white boys in the 7s side also don't get to play with the big boys, as mentioned it is a very different game! - E |
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who said white players are always selected on merits
08/04/2008 14:55
Bravo to a win.It is annoying to hear people insinuating white players are always selected on merits. They have always been selected because of their colour even when some of them did not serve to player in the national team and Black players have always been over looked because of their colour. - Kgomotso |
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Lesego Lesego Lesego
08/04/2008 14:56
Why do blacks think that we are so racist in our team selection. I dont believe that SA coaches choose teams on race, they choose on talent and that pisses the blacks off because they are not at that level YET. We are not racist we just believe that if you are not GOOD enough stay on the bench until you are. And Habana would have been called up Lesogo stop riding on his name. One truley great black rugby player and now you make out like the whole black nation are naturally talented rugby players - Gary |
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merit vs quote
08/04/2008 14:57
South Africa ended New Zealand's unbeaten 47-match streak by winning the final of the IRB Adelaide World Series Sevens 15-7. For both, players and spectators, this is a truly fantastic experience, well done!! Martin, just remember that ?merit? won the day, and not Governments quotas!! - RPB |
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Kolobe, Z and Lesego
08/04/2008 14:57
Hear, hear! I am glad to see that there are people who recognise the issue at play here. Had we never had quota's, black players would never have been picked at any level and until racism is abolished in the game I see no reason for them to end. And to kwk, do you realise that the majority of the world does not give a rat's ass about rugby? The tag 'world champions' is only truly applicable to soccer which is played seriously throughout the world. - VLS |
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VLS
08/04/2008 15:07
World Champions which SA have never even come close to been VLS. Afcon we won once and are still batteling to get through the first round. And the reason for this is because soccer players play because they feel it is owed to them and have no national pride when on the field. MONEY MONEY is all you hear. At least rugby players do it for their country, maybe soccer should take note of what is happening in rugby and instill a bit of pride to be African - Gary |
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Kolobe hahaha!
08/04/2008 15:08
That's the senior rugby World Cup you twit! I was referring to your comment about the "under 21 transformed team". - The Truth |
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Gary
08/04/2008 15:22
LOL. One of only 5 nations were ever going to win the Rugby World Cup, SA, New Zealand, Australia, England and France. How you can compare this to soccer is astounding. If the rest of the world took rugby as seriously as we do in SA then the SA rugby team would be doing about as well as our soccer team is. The nonsense that soccer players are only in it for money and rugby players are not is unfounded buffoonery. How many rugby players from our WC winning squad left to go play overseas, FOR MONEY - VLS |
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