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Beam me up Scotty
17/04/2008 08:54
Sadly, there is no winning in this country. We have to deal with AA BE and quotas and told that if you don't like it, you should leave. Then, when you do leave and SA's ratings drop because all the country is left with is semi-skilled labour, you're considered unpatriotic. There is a growing breed of South Africans with nothing to offer but unfounded criticism. Good luck with your oversees venture, and to hell with all these pathetic excuses for intelligent life. - ian |
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Then don't blame AA and EE for skills shortage.
17/04/2008 08:58
I have to agree with the writer wholeheartedly. I have always contested that even if there was no AA/EE, we would still be having serious skills shortage. Engineers are highly sought-after world wide and with oil-dollars doing rounds in the Arab world, there would be more demand for scarce skills especially engineers. I hate it when people start complaining about EE and claim their skills are in demand yet they still remain unemployed, makes you wonder. - Libembe |
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life goes on
17/04/2008 09:01
we dont care about you and your wife,your skills didnt affect our economy,we still have people who have the same skills like you,life goes on,so leave us alone - vts |
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You took old Funnybones seriously?
17/04/2008 09:02
Do not be offended by the drivel that an intellectually challenged person wrote. He does not understand the dynamic of a world wide skills shortage. He also does not understand that a lot of people do make it and never return. Furthermore he does not get it, that a lot of people leave due the the fact that they are tired of the likes of him. In any case who gives him the right to be judgemental and derogatory towards those that do choose to leave? - Doorboot |
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Best Wishes
17/04/2008 09:04
Vellendra, I wish you all the best. You have the skills, and the opportunity to further your career. Whatever your reasons for working abroad, I know it takes a lot of courage to make such a move. People can criticise you, but at the end of the day, if you choose to come back one day, you will have international experience, and that my friend counts for a lot. Good Luck - Johann |
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Almost there...
17/04/2008 09:07
I agree whole heartedly. I'm currently working for a company who's head office is in Asia and have business interests in Europe, the US, as well as Australia. If I need to be shipped out to one of these destinations because of work, I won't look back thinking I'm unpatriotic. Of course I'll visit, but I won't mind leaving at all ! - Marcel |
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Sad!
17/04/2008 09:13
I love this beautiful country of ours, but I do not wish to remain here when the crime is so bad,the economy is failing, and there is no respect amongst the different races. I am a 58 year old white woman, and have been living here all my life. Threre is no way I will be able to find any position at any banking institution, or hospital, nor can I become a shop assistant at any of the large stores. I have no alternative but to leave this country, and go somewhere where I will be appreciated. - carol |
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Sure ..
17/04/2008 09:17
I undertand your opinion but I think the writer was talking more about people who leaves this country to do what ever jobs in other countries that their citizens does not feel like doing , IE , COPS,FIREFIGHTERS , JAIL Wardens ETC , Just not to face the music in SA.I think what he is going at is , When its all sunny in SA people reap the rewards , The moment problems arise ,they leave its the easy way out !!! - bongani |
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To my values not to my country
17/04/2008 09:18
And those that do not like it can go to hell. There is no thing like a country, this is a geographical description. My real country is a societal concept, where I feel at home and can share common values. - Patriot |
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what you say is true
17/04/2008 09:18
I'm not saying allways justifyable, but true nevertheless.Africa does not take note of this.Contrast that with ex-colonial Singapore.They are actually encouraging "foreign talents" to come there AND become citizens.In 2 yrs I can have the same privilidges as a native Singapori.Yet in SA I'm not treated as a citizen even though my great great great grand parents were all born here.Singapore is 100% 1st world (and growing) as result of this..say no more. - kwk |
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Good luck!
17/04/2008 09:19
Enjoy your stay overseas. It would be nice if we can focus all our negative energies onto a common cause, like crime, I think black/white/indian... all have 1 thing in common, we don't like crime. Sort that out and most people will stay. Take that deep down hate and focus it on crime, the other issues we'll get past later. - Whitie |
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it is true
17/04/2008 09:21
That situation need not bother a winning country. Even in a winning country some zesty talented people will seek challenges elsewhere, but that will be more than compensated for be professionals coming in, for the same reason. SA will not need to worry about people leaving if we make it an attractive place to stay. - kwk |
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I agree with this letter.
17/04/2008 09:23
I am also on my overseas and I couldn't give a stuff if people think I am deserting the country. I am looking out for my family first & foremost and if I am appreciated more in another country, then I will certainly work there and contribute to a safer society over there. So, NZ here I come! - Stephen Gold |
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Giving the run around
17/04/2008 09:24
No, the crazy thing is, folks in the forum, will tell you to go to Australia, but in the same breath, will tell us, we don't want to integrate, because were all going to Australia. Sort of like telling a young boy to steal something, but then condemning him for stealing it.
With regards to your article though, SA needs skills. BEE/AA is not an excuse (Even though I dont agree with it). With a degree, or enough experience, you will have companies CLAWING at you to work for them. - Sinudeity |
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Please go wherever you please!
17/04/2008 09:26
Getting tired of this "I'm leaving" stories. All those who are leaving SA, please keep it to yourselves and pack your bags, the OR Tambo airport is open 24/7. Everyone here fights to be recognised as AFRICAN, yet when it comes to showing it, some people fail dismally. Those who are real Africans will stay and work for this land. Just like Americans and Asians, I am proud to be in my land and am going nowhere. - Sello |
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Nothing new
17/04/2008 09:26
People have always been moving from their country of birth to other countries. Borders, if anything are tougher these days, though. Try getting a work visa for the USA. One more thing - don't let people who criticize you for leaving SA get to you. They are either jealous or naive. - James |
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Global
17/04/2008 09:27
Your situation is not isolated or unique as you want us to believe. You have exploited Africa of its resources(apartheid government funded your education and the white privelege of job reservation) and you went back home(London)where you belong. For your information there are also highly skilled black South Africans who are also in the UK and those who are still in SA and contributing meaningfully to the emancipation of the entire black population. In a nutshell, your type can emigrate enmasse. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Vellendra Sannasy
17/04/2008 09:29
Most people who leave the country does so to escape crime and slowing economy...you are the exeption. But hey, I am staying. Sure, the country is a bit messed up but it does not help to run away if you are faced with a challange. To the leavers, adios!!! - jannie-verstaan-nie |
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Global village
17/04/2008 09:30
Yip, however to be part of this global village you need to be able to communicate easily - Thanks telkom for keeping us on the wrong side of the tracks in this village!! Moving to Oz is like moving to upperclass suburbs in this village, wonder why people still leave? - luckyluke |
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migration
17/04/2008 09:33
Most places on the planet are within a 12-24 hours journey. Globally marketable talents are the results of God's gift to an individual and hard work to develop them. If you don't look after yourself, nobody else will! People might call you a "plunderer", "opportunist" and other flattering names. Do what you do best at the best "price". Good luck! - Benzo |
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SA will not fall apart, what's happening now is
17/04/2008 09:35
a reflection of global markets. If people want to leave they have a right to do so. But most are bitter and talk bad about the country. My standard of living has improved since Apartheid ended so i can't be bitter. Good luck and i hope to see you in London when i come later this year. - tshepo |
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Ignore the critics!
17/04/2008 09:36
Agree with you 101%!I also left SA for the UK because of factors other than crime, the economy etc and I'm glad I did it. I couldn't care a damn who criticizes me for doing so or who thinks I'm unpatriotic. I'll make as much as I can wherever I can. - Also an Expat |
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Now and forever
17/04/2008 09:38
I agree, there are opportunities out there. Although materialism in its most fanatic sense is deplorable, taking an opportunity to better your life and the lives of your children should be something you can do without critisism from people who are unwilling or unable to do so. Skilled persons from SA are pulling in salaries overseas far in excess of what they would have earned staying at home. Besides, it isn't forever, they can always come home and invest some of that lovely money in SA. - E |
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Dream on Honey
17/04/2008 09:39
Your concept although idyllic works in a safe world.The world is not safe place and we must have national security.SA borders are so porous we are infiltrated daily by refugees illegal immigrants and organised criminals who have military or geurilla training.We are robbed and slaughtered daily.Maybe your worlds borders are literally falling apart but we really need ours to be strengthened in SA.Everyone has a zest for life. - psycobabble |
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Very True
17/04/2008 09:39
what you say, most people don't have the foresight to know how the world will be in a short time away. Just as the Euro has combined many countries there will be a globalisation whereby one day there will be a single curency and a head of World governess, it is the only way things can go. So what if people are leaving! - wb |
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@ Calvin
17/04/2008 09:40
Boo F#%ing hoo, grow up boy. No one feels sorry for you anymore. With people like you there are no hope. This please feel sorry for me attitude is lame. - Whitie |
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Sello,
17/04/2008 09:40
I agree with you. And Calvin, the man is an "Indian" African. It is not just whites that are leaving. - hjs |
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We are all travellers
17/04/2008 09:41
People who have been throwing the insults forget that we are ALL people, or descendants of people, who migrated to the southern part of Africa, excluding perhaps only the San. Should our forefathers now also be considered as unpatriotic deserters of their former countries, or were they simply travellers coming to Southern Africa in search of an alternative? - Alan |
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Grass not always greener on the other side
17/04/2008 09:42
For starters Vellendra, YOU decided to ply your trade elsewhere. So why should we who are staying give a damn about you? Just a word of caution, things are not always as rosy on the other side as they might seem. My son works for a large international company in the UK and on a recent visit here, commented that we should not be so critical about things here. In his words "we have much to be thankful for". - mikehunt |
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Just a reply
17/04/2008 09:43
You just donot get it, Calvin and others it is not that we want to leave we are forced to, and why should we make excuses all the time for wanting to leave? I contributed to the building of this country only to see it slowly crumbling. And if you are going to answer by saying *good ridance* Then go ahead! I have my reasons!! - Carol |
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Calvin I think he is Indian (from his name)
17/04/2008 09:45
Once again you show to everyone that you are not very bright. Once again you spew forth a moronic opinion that is meant to inflame rather than contribute. Why O why do you persist in degrading yourself in this way? - Doorboot |
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Calvin = Jon Q
17/04/2008 09:48
Buddy you make me laugh. You babble is actually quite funny. Open the shutters buddy, then maybe with a bit of sunlight, you'll be a ble to smile too, and not live in such a morbid palce! - JO |
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Brain drain & gain...
17/04/2008 09:49
I agree,and just as much as people are living SA others are also coming in,although we are only told about those living.People leave for different reasons,some because of crime,which is unacceptibly high,some for better jobs,some simply because they don't like the ANC govt. - Godfrey |
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No wonder..
17/04/2008 09:49
We are still a 3rd world country. Skin colour prevails while competence fails! - Martin |
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Off to Oz or whereever
17/04/2008 09:51
I read that article referred to by Vallendra Sannassy - the writer article has his head in the sand. And actually surveys indicate that the reason people are more likely to leave SA is because of crime. If crime hasn't happened to them directly, then they are less likely to make a move (I'm not saying that crime is the only reason). We are moving because we, several family members & friends have been affected by varying levels of violent crime. We don't feel safe. So why should we stay? - Oz |
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@Calvin Mkhize
17/04/2008 09:51
Might be more a question of you being where you belong!! No aspirations... Substandard life... - Lucas |
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vts...
17/04/2008 09:52
...and attitudes like yours are what is preventing this country moving forward. Your comments scream ignrorance. It seems that you have extracted your head from the sand only to bury it comfortably yet firmly in your a***. - Nick |
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It makes me sick
17/04/2008 09:52
to hear some of the ugly remarks by the black racists on this page, although it also makes it much easier for the people who are leaving knowing they will never have to deal with pathetic jeolous self centered idiots anymore. Good luck and may you accumulate wealth & happiness beyond your dreams - which I am sure you will! - wb |
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Career - Opportunities
17/04/2008 09:53
People live their own countries for different reasons. I see no need to be bothered by what other people think. Even Funnybones if an opportunity comes his way, he will not think twice about leaving SA. - Online |
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Not forced to leave
17/04/2008 09:54
South Africa's problems give people many reasons to leave, but life here is not that desperate. I am currently re-skilling and I would like to work in the US one day. Until I am ready I will enjoy life here in SA despite its problems. Why do I want to emigrate you ask? Because it's a big world out there with lots to see and experience. I don't need to make excuses. I owe South Africa nothing. - James |
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Why move overseas?
17/04/2008 09:55
Just move to CT. Best of both worlds. - Sinudeity |
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Appreciation
17/04/2008 09:59
Sure I can leave. It's easy these days. If you have a professional qualification or well qualified in general, you can go to most places. What irks me is the fact that my contribution is not recognised or appreciated in this country. If I leave, 50 people in my company will lose their jobs and that affects a further 200+ dependents. Do I get recognised for contrubuting by this GOVMNT - No! Calvin Mkhize & Co will critise me for plundering the country - I was too young to vote in '94. Pathetic - Manny |
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Doorbot, why do you find the need to insult?
17/04/2008 10:01
can't you say yr mind without spewing INSULTS? - tshepo |
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Vellendra
17/04/2008 10:01
..bru you missed the point I think. Most Saffers take issue with people who choose to leave and then whine about how they were "forced" out due to BEE/AA/Eskom/Zuma etc etc etc and constantly bad-mouth the country, its citizens and government. Leaving SA is a choice and if you're happy with yours,good for you. - VG |
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It works both ways
17/04/2008 10:02
Just as South Africans see other countries as offering them greater opportunities, so other nationalities are seeing South Africa as their land of opportunity.
Borders are dissolving and people with the necessary skills are becoming talent nomads. So as South Africans leave our shores to pursue other opportunities, we must ensure that we are welcoming of other nationalities who see this as a land of opportunity and want to share their talents and help build our country. - Angela |
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Dreaming!
17/04/2008 10:08
High 5 Sinudeity! Good Luck! My home town! AWESOME - carol |
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working where you earn the best
17/04/2008 10:10
Been working overseas for some 6 years now. It has nothing to do with politics. We are just earning as much as possible, so that we can retire with some dignity one day man...who in SA earning R30,000 to R80,000 per annum can afford to retire? I mean, have you made the calculations yet? You will be shocked, my friend, because within 5 years you will join the okie at the robot with the cardboard box sign. - That me. |
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Re: wb
17/04/2008 10:17
"It makes me sick to hear some of the ugly remarks by the black racists on this page, although it also makes it much easier for the people who are leaving knowing they will never have to deal with pathetic jeolous self centered idiots anymore." I couldn't have put it better myself! - Also an Expat |
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Unfortunate Age
17/04/2008 10:17
Some white skilled people did and still feel the AA affects. I see those who accepted change, constantly adjusting their views (old ways), slowly entering the market again. Try it! - ElectroMan |
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@Calvin
17/04/2008 10:18
By your uneducated, racist dribble, one can clearly establish that you are a BEE/AA case. You got your job because of the color of your skin, clearly not by your intelligence. - padkos |
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Calvin Mkhize
17/04/2008 10:19
Please dude. Stop being an island to yourself. You openly reject to even consider cultural standpoints of anyone not like you. Everyone is not a Calvin clone. There is joy in diversity. Please stop stereotyping everyone. Change, starts with you! Yes Calvin. With you. - Sinudeity |
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GO FOR IT!!
17/04/2008 10:20
Good luck and all the very best. If your country won't let you be all you can be because of BEE etc, it's then up to you to invest in yourself and make the most of your talents and life. The reality is that the global economy couldn't give a stuff about BEE / AA etc. It's about who you are and what you can contribute not your color. Ignore those who don't understand the new world and who are stuck in a nationalist mind set - they are living in the past. Spread your wings and be all you can be. - CL |
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To Vellendra
17/04/2008 10:20
Please ignore comments like Calvins, i'm surprised this guy is able to string a sentence together he that dense. Good luck with your endeavours. I'm a Brit living in SA, i never thought i'd leave my home in South Africa. Unfortunately my attitude is changing and i'm starting to think SA may not be the "paradise" i once thought. Good luck mate. - John Camp |
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The world has no borders
17/04/2008 10:23
....but what does it profit a man when he conquers the whole world but looses his soul.... - Rabbit |
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Calvin, you are the result of your ignorance
17/04/2008 10:25
A lot of us worked hard to educate ourselves in post apartheid South Africa where only the black man are looked after. That?s why I have no sympathy for black people. They have all the opportunities but they still can't manage to help themselves. Anyway, I?d rather be part of the brain drain than the scum stay. Cheers under achiever - CH |
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Calvin what are you on?
17/04/2008 10:25
Calvin - sorry but you're an idiot! Get over your opression syndrome, get into the real world and start contributing instead of whining about ancient history. If the whites all belong back in the UK do all the blacks living abroad (US, UK , Germany etc) belong back in Africa? Go tell Colin Powel he's not actually an American... - Openeyes |
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Also leaving
17/04/2008 10:27
My family recieved our PR 2 weeks ago for AUS, but are going to stay a while to make sure our current work has time to replace us with competent people, we dont want to leave the country worse of than it is. Unfortunately my children come first by a large margin. all things being equal we would have stayed, but africa's growing pains are making it hard for us to stay. - B |
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Main reason for emmigrating
17/04/2008 10:28
These people have no respect for black african leadership. The can't stand be ruled by blacks. Crime affects everyone in the country, black & white. Yet majority of people leaving the country are white. Highly skilled black professionals remain in the country. So don't tell me blacks don't leave the country because they have no skills. - Azania |
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@ Sinudeity
17/04/2008 10:29
Looking for a lodger? LOL - John Camp |
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Stupid
17/04/2008 10:32
vts, jealousy makes you very nasty AND stupid ,it seems. Good luck to you and you wife Vellendra - I hope your skills will be appreciated. (Talking about skills, maybe Sello can fill us in on the lucrative offers he has had from abroad!) - SF |
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why do u anounce
17/04/2008 10:33
when leaving RSA just leave why do you have tell us all ur reasonning we don'nt care infect you providing a lot of oporturnities for for young coming professionals who have been jnr engineers for more 10 yrs working for a company because of the coulor of they skin they cant move forward - thabo |
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@Manny
17/04/2008 10:41
Why is it that u guys always think, or like to threaten that if u leave, 50ppl in u'r company will loose their jobs? oh please ppl. I do agree with the fact that ppl don't owe the country any loyalty, but owe it to their famalies and themselves.but pls don't try to hold us randsom by mentioning a whole lot of crap. we all pay taxes(black/white), same rates and all affecte by crime. so, if u think leaving is the solution, pls do so by all means. No hard feelings. ppl will still prevail. pls. - zakes |
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Sello & Calvin Mkhize
17/04/2008 10:44
Do the two of you actually have a functioning brain? If so, do you have the ability to be objective to issues like these? I think everyone who regularly participates in this forum knows the answer to the questions above. - SimpleSense |
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... Bye ...
17/04/2008 10:48
Can I help you pack?!? - ob1 |
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Azania
17/04/2008 10:49
So, you choose to stereotype ALL of us, into the group "no respect for black african leadership"? That is REALLY a PATHETIC viewpoint to have. Why dont you use quiet diplomacy rather? - Sinudeity |
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Azania
17/04/2008 10:53
Man, your comment smacked of ignorance. "How do I get through to these kids?"
You know, as a white person, I have no issues with black leadership. Even though I spit on Mbeki for his denialism of the chaos in Zimbabwe. That has nothing to do about colour. What I do have issues with, is ignorant South Africans, like yourself. Be they black or white. - Sinudeity |
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Bongani
17/04/2008 10:55
Your phrase "not to face the music in SA" says a lot. It indicates that you feel that whites should be punished for what they did to this country. That may be true, but is it a constructive attitude? Don't we have enough problems to deal with, ones that could best be solved if we work together, rather than hurling blame and vengeance at each other?
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Just a gander
17/04/2008 10:56
I am a goose that lays golden eggs and I am tired of having my feathers ruffled by people who want to chase me out of my coup. If I leave, you may get the eggs I leave behind, but I will lay alot more elsewhere! - Goosey |
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Skills
17/04/2008 10:58
I'm not saying whites should leave or stay. It's u'r choice. Why is it that white ppl think that they're the only educated n skilled in this country? sorry to burst u'r bubble, but u'r wrong. I'm a qualified Elec. Eng, n have worked with a lot of semi-skilled whites with only an N6, but given engineer title n status. So, stop telling us that this country is gonna fall apart if u leave, n saying blacks r racist when they say it's ok u can leave. Or do u maybe want us to begg u to stay?? Never. - zakes |
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@ sello nr 1
17/04/2008 11:02
Sello, whites are fighting to be recognized as African because they hope it will lead to them being treated equally - Something blacks campaigned very hard for just a few years ago. Your attitude is not surprising, why would you want to leave? Everything is stacked in your favour.
Redressing imbalances are important, but different measures are required ? Tokyo Sexwale?s kids are definitely not PDI?s, yet they will benefit from AA policies. AA based on parent?s income and not their race perhaps? - prometheus |
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Sinudeity,you lucky bugger (enjoy the winter though)
17/04/2008 11:03
To all the black racists having a go at this lady who is emigrating,perhaps one of you bright sparks can explain to me why thousands of black Zimbabweans are leaving their country daily.Are they also racist,traitorous non -patriots (and exempt from from your insults because they are black),or are they also perhaps just concerned for their welfare and future? - The Truth |
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nick
17/04/2008 11:05
hey nick i cant stop this country to going forward with people whom they skills doesnt even contribute 50% of our economic,to lose some like them is the same there are many people with super skills in this country who will die for this country one of them is me,so nick get ur as* back of my comment. - vts |
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Marketable skills
17/04/2008 11:09
I must agree, after working for the goverment for 10 years I was 2 up from the bottom, even though I had a degree which was paid for by the goverment. They paid for me to get these skills but because of AA/BEE chose never to use them in anyway. Well eventually I just gave up and am now employed in the DRC, by an Aussie company making making the same amount of money in one month that I used to make in a year .... & all TAX FREE .... life is good & my standard of living is more than I ever dreamed - Mike |
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To All the Expats
17/04/2008 11:18
I love the way all of you hate South Africa so much but still make the effort to come onto a South African website and comment.....shame, the dreary weather in the UK getting you guys down a bit? - AB |
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Leaving? Good.
17/04/2008 11:18
We won't miss you. Now can you just SHUT UP AND LEAVE. WE REALYY DON'T GIVE A DAMN. - Z |
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Thabo
17/04/2008 11:23
I take it you are one of the 'young coming professionals'you talk about. You may make even faster progress if you learnt to spell! - SF |
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World is global village, no borders
17/04/2008 11:25
So let them go. Why should people make a noise about working in overseas, are they bragging or what? If I want to go there will do so without letting the whole country know because it will be my personal choice. As I am typing now there is a gentleman sitting next to me who went there few years back, guess what? he is back to here. Currently there are IT professionals & engineers from India who are working here in our country which is good. I also have a friend working in UK. - Revolver |
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Imagine a 50 (Black) % 50 (non-Black) split,
17/04/2008 11:47
Azania, etc. Wasted time to respond to Calvin, Kolobe, JQ, etc... The current situation is of your own doing. You and cronies have voted and shon your allegiances. The rest of us support values, independant of specific parties. We are not apposed to black leadership, rather want competent leaders with moral integrity. Something a number of emmigrants from RSA get from Global Village. You most likely hammer this idea because none of the other countries want you? Due to your BOB like attitude? - Matrix |
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Sello and Calvin...
17/04/2008 12:08
Yet more needless comments from you... You know, if all the people with brains and competence left this country, it'd fall flat on it's ass. Im sorry, but without the 'educated and priviledged', this country is going nowhere. So, you can carry on with kicking out the whities/Indians/in fact any person with brains and ambition, but good luck when your country ends up like Zim... - Tomato |
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