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Why
30/04/2008 08:12
If someone makes the wrong decisions or makes wrong choices - why must they be defended. Mbeki is an idiot.............to stand up and say there is no crisis in Zimbabwe proves he is clearly not in touch with reality in Zimbabwe or with what is going on in SA for that matter!! Maybe YOU should come here and see for yourself what is REALLY going on. Maybe just shake your head so you can wake up from LA..LA land!! - True Blue SA |
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It is what it is...
30/04/2008 08:15
It is not black SA's job to defend their president, and most definitely not the journalists' job either. It is their sole job to use their right of freedom of speech. And now I'll use mine, Mugabe is a dictator whose hands is red with the blood of his countrymen and has displaced an estimated 4M of Zim's populas (mostly to SA). He's been voted off the island and must go. - Green |
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Why defend the President?
30/04/2008 08:15
The fact that 3 million Zimbabweans (and that number is rising) have fled to South Africa, and is noted by ALL journalists; surely those journalists will battle with their consciences to defend a policy which basically says "There is no crisis". Why defend something as preposterous as that? Mugabe is a thug, a despot and a Hitler-like dictator - the sooner everyonw realises that, the sooner will get done. And well done to ALL our journalists for acknowledging that. - Dave Robbins |
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Defend stupidity
30/04/2008 08:16
Isn't it amazing that these black intellectuals who defend Mugabe's regime always live "overseas"? Lovely to have the opportunity to comment freely without having your head kicked in isn't it Mr Malamba? - Tom |
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Living overseas
30/04/2008 08:18
Judging from your ignorant comments it would appear that currently you are based in North Korea. I suggest you try living in Zimbabwe as an opposition member and then see what life is really all about. - ror |
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Defending africa
30/04/2008 08:18
I am a black south african, and i have to disagree with you here...defending africa does not mean allwoing dectators who continuously kill their own citizens just to remain in power. Who live lavish lives, while an entire country goes hungry, there is no economy in zimbabwe.did u know if u have a roll of twinsaver toilet paper you are richer than a zimbabwean with same size roll paper of money. I undserstand what mugabe tried to achieve, but he completly lost it, and screwed the whole country - BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN |
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John,
30/04/2008 08:20
I do not understand the logic behind your post. The British were more than willing to provide the money for the land issue to be resolved, but pulled out because of rampant corruption. And furthermore, are you implying that black Africans must allow a dictator like Mugabe, to continue with his evil ways, just because he is black? No my friend, those days are over. Black people in SA are much more intelegent than you think. They can the difference between right and wrong. - hjs |
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Defending africa..part2
30/04/2008 08:21
I don't know if MDC leader is a better option or not, after all he is also a politician...but change needs to happen in zimbabwe, for the sake of her people...for the reputation of us black africans, showing the world that we can lead, we can be independent, and we can share the wealth of this beautiful but dying continent of ours. Yes colonialism messed up a lot of sh!t on this continent...but that is long gone, now africans are the ones doing that to themselves... - black south african |
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Black Immigration from South-Africa
30/04/2008 08:22
We are schocked to see so many black South-Africans leaving SA and living abroad. In the USA alone we have a huge population of black South-Africans and we ask ourselves why would they leave the country they so long fought for? The answers they gave us was the norm. Crime out of control. Goverment incompatency. And last but not least a failing sytem cause of skilled proffesionals leaving South-Africa in droves/masses and that means not just whites but blacks and Indians ect. - Jim |
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You cannot want to defend Africa and not want to live in it!
30/04/2008 08:24
Honestly John Malamba, I won't listen to anyone's opinion about Africa who is not willing to live here and take on the issues we face daily. We, who live here, are facing and dealing with the issues, trying to make this beautiful country a heritage for our children. Those, like you, who have opted out and live abroad should keep your mouths shut and take on the issues of the country that you traded South Africa in for. - Gayle living in South Africa |
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Breaking stuff
30/04/2008 08:25
The British broke a promise (imagine that?), Mugabe broke an entire country. Funny how, when a black Zimbabwean decides that he is not happy with the way Bob is running things he becomes a pawn of the "gay, British cabal". But then we must remember to defend our Africa right or wrong.
You're not living in America by any chance John? You'd make a fine Republican. - Michael |
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Defending africa..part3
30/04/2008 08:26
SOUTH AFRICAN is the youngest democracy in African and most of the world...but with all the challanges we face, we still strive to make some kind of change. As much as a lot of our leaders have tainted reputations, I believe we have enough structures to make sure this country stays afloat...and keep out leaders at bay. I also believe that SA needs to clean herself up first before we get too involved with other country's problems..we have our own to deal with. - black south african |
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African Leaders
30/04/2008 08:26
Leaders will only get support if they show leadership and unfortunatly our existing President has shown none to date this is the primary reason why he was voted out as the ANC leader and why South Africa has become a joke to the international community. John, why are you not staying in Zimbabwe since you like Bob so much? - Pangea |
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Shant say more...
30/04/2008 08:29
Well said John and it is the other side of the coin that I have always tried to tell people but they get so emotional....
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disagree
30/04/2008 08:31
Im not going to speak for anyone else here, but from my point of view, black journalists have been looking at all the angles for some time now, many raising these issues of british colonialism being the root of the problem. yes Britain did break the promise of sending money (for aid) but the money was abused by Mugabe. Do you think that it is possible that the journalists themselves feel it is neccesarry to speak out on the problem now? perhaps its gone a little too far for them as well? - craig |
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Dear Editor
30/04/2008 08:31
Geez dude, what possessed you to publish this drivel? Are you seriously that desperate for writers? Look, I have no problem with people taking up a contrary viewpoint, but if it's going to get published, it should at least have substance. Come on, Mr Editor, you can do better. - PeterH |
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"Mugabe was maybe wrong by going this far"!?
30/04/2008 08:33
You have a helluva lot to say for yourself for someone who is not living in Africa anymore (never mind not living under violent oppression in Zimbabwe).This is not about defending Africa against the West (which is really becoming an ancient cliche' by now),it is about Africa defending and protecting the human rights of its citizens,and at the same time ridding itself of one of its worst dictators.SADC and the AU have up to this stage done nothing to stop the beatings and killings. - The Truth |
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Quite diplomacy flawed
30/04/2008 08:33
Perhaps you should think of coming back home and see closer how bad things are in Zim.We can blame Britain for as long as we want but If a country cannot produce a mere bread then surely there is a crisis. South African Govenment shud not even recognise the current Zim gov till the results are known.It takes a fool to think the quite diplomacy will work in Zim..
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Maybe you are wrong
30/04/2008 08:34
So John, must we support him just because his black. He does nothing for us. As you stated yourself "Maybe I am wrong.." - Mike3 |
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nope
30/04/2008 08:35
Ha ha, quite funny. you sit overseas and judge while we have to live with an insane neighbor.. - johann |
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Stop insulting blacks!
30/04/2008 08:35
Mugabe is a barbaric, murdering, evil thug in any language, creed or culture, who is forcing his will on the people and has plundered and raped Zimbabwes in a quest to become one of the wealthiest men in the world! Do u only have to be white to recognise this?? Stop insulting blacks in general and the people of Zim in particular, who by the way have one of the highest literacy rates in Africa! - PN |
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Defend democracy 2
30/04/2008 08:36
John, touching another point of yours. When black (why race?) journalists support democracy by western standards, why do you think they are wrong? That is like one soldier thinking he is the only one marching in step. If you compete internationally you are judged by those standards but sure, add your own flavour. - Filemon |
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Time for Cde Mbeki to move over for Cde Zuma
30/04/2008 08:36
Never thought I could say this but as Cde Mbeki continues to do nothing, while our party is the opposite, the time has come for him to go. When the racist Scorpions have gone and we have cleared his name, we will see that Cde Zuma will be much more decisive. The people can support a president like him! John, you are not even here, so concern yourself with your own stuff and leave us alone! - Harrison Magalefa |
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Mbeki's Support Group.
30/04/2008 08:37
Mr.Malamba is one of the few people that can make Mbeki smile at the moment. Unfortunately all of the Zimbabweans I know, want nothing to do with a president who stands by and watch democracy being trampled on by a voted out dictator that can't let go of power.Mbeki's policy calls to mind Lady Thatcher's Quiet Diplomacy towards Apartheid which Mbeki vehemently opposed.Does Mbeki suffer from selective memory loss? Maybe mr.Malamba should go visit Zimbabwe.It should open his eyes. - Doc Lize |
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You are so wrong...
30/04/2008 08:37
?How is it that of all hundreds of black journalists in South Africa, none (at least from reading the press there) seem to think Mbeki's approach is right? In any group of normal intelligent people there is a divergence of ideas. Why is it that all South African Black journalist and intellectuals in South Africans just happen to think just like the BBC, Guardian, etc? ?
Because of the results it has produced you dumb imbecile. After years of Mbeki?s ?quite diplomacy?, one sees that it has bared no fruit. Therefore, any sane person who at least can think a bit sees the results of ?quite diplomacy?, and knows that it has failed.
But you know what; this isn?t about why black journalists are questioning Mbeki?s approach. This is all about trying to ?sticking it to the man?, i.e. you just have some deep rooted hatred in you - that?s is the reason why you don?t like people, especially us in South Africa together with our exiled Zimbabwean cousins, to criticise Mugabe and Mbeki?s failed approach.
It is time John Malamba, to admit that one of Africa?s leaders have screwed up roily, and not to get angry with the fact that ?intelligent? people see and knows this.
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EVERY AFRICAN COUNTRY NEEDS MUGABE
30/04/2008 08:37
Why ruin country in 30-40 yrs,when you can do it in FIVE . That is as good as it gets. - Zoran |
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Defend democracy 2
30/04/2008 08:37
John, touching another point of yours. When black (why race?) journalists support democracy by western standards, why do you think they are wrong? That is like one soldier thinking he is the only one marching in step. If you compete internationally you are judged by those standards but sure, add your own flavour. - Filemon |
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John Malamba
30/04/2008 08:37
Firstly, I find it extremely disturbing reading an article titled "We must defend Africa" written by an African living "abroad". Who are you to comment? Where are you? Perhaps you would like to come back and assist in defending Africa? Mbeki's quiet diplomacy HAS NOT worked, 4 million Zimbo's living in SA will prove that. The country lies in ruins yet you believe we should support the pathetic man leading our country. - John Camp |
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We are no sycophants!!!!!!
30/04/2008 08:38
Nigeria has no moral ground to represent Africa, they are net exporters of criminals and gladly welcome proceeds of 419 scams into their GDP. We will criticise Mbeki for poor leadership and will do so to Mad Bob who terrorises his people who happen to be Black just like you. You're probably sitting there in exile and have lost touch with reality in Africa, come back and deal with these issues with us and stop pointing fingers from abroad. We are no sycophants of any struggle heroes. - Libembe |
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Defending Africa
30/04/2008 08:39
Intelligent people don't defend the indefensible! By the way, by 'living abroad', I hope you don't mean evil Britain! - SF |
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Instead of continually trashing the West and its journalists...
30/04/2008 08:39
you would be better advised to criticise SADC and the AU for their "silent diplomacy" tactics which have proved fruitless up to now.You would also do well to remember that for all the faults of the West it is they who are feeding many African countries today,including Zimbabwe thanks to Mugabe's Nazi style land grabs (land which is now lying fallow and ruined as a result of being given to government cronies and family members who know jacksh.. about farming). - The Truth |
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Come Back Home And THEN TALK
30/04/2008 08:40
"As a Black South African living abroard". How about you come back to South africa before shooting ur mouth off. I am sure you are very comfortable where ever u are. not having to deal with all the issues back in South Africa. why is it that you think that some one who has destroyed his country, left millions to starve while he live like a king a Freeking hero. BOB is just a freaking Black Hitler. catch a wake up. - Nick |
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Unfair and harsh
30/04/2008 08:41
I think your article is unfair and harsh. As much as the British and Mugabe are to blame we are at a stage now where a solution must be found for Zim. Defending TM will not solve the problem and his mediation has not yielded any solutions for Zim.The SA media has questioned why the Zim people are not solving their problems. - Pasta |
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Nice comment coming from...
30/04/2008 08:42
...a man who lives abroad.
What do you mean by "these people"?
How on earth do you see that the British are responsible for the problems in Zimbabwe? - Nick |
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Defending Africa
30/04/2008 08:42
Geez John, another black African defending an African crisis from the comforts of a western or European environment? How unique!Being abroad, you are obviously desensitised to the Zim crisis and the suffering of the people there. Maybe you couldn't handle the "heat in the kitchen" and have opted to stay out. A good choice perhaps, but then maybe you should refrain from commenting about how those directly affected by the situation handle it or disapprove of it - Sean |
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Zimbabwe
30/04/2008 08:43
John, you think just like an African. Two wrongs don't make a right. Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe because of irrational thinking and irrational implimentation of non sensical policies. Africa is in the state it is because every leader is historically a freedom fighter and the one does not dare to interfere or give advice to the other. The leaders fought for freedom to make themselves as rich as they can and the people who voted for them are brain washed pawns in this pursuit. Catch a wake up my man! - Stormin |
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ignorance
30/04/2008 08:43
What an ignorant fool, living abroad, totally dettached from the reality of Africa! Did you not consider that journalists all condemn Mbekis stance because it is pathetic. What you suggest is that because they are black, and he is black, they must support him. What about the issues? Please move back to Africa and go and settle in rural Matabeleland, or even in certain suburbs of Harare. Then please comment on whether Mbeki has his head buried up his own (or Mugabes) behind! - rory |
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Defend Africa
30/04/2008 08:44
Boet then why dont you come back to defend your africa and leave that first world country you are more than likely living in now. Stupid article you idiot. - Roger Taylor |
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WHAT???
30/04/2008 08:44
Are you serious? So it's Britain's fault that Mugabe stole all the prosperous farms and gave them to 30yo war "veterans"? It's Britain's fault that the Zim economy had 6000% inflation because no farm is producing anything anymore?
Are you related to Mugabe in any way, because that's the only way you could possibly see this as being Britain's fault. Or maybe you got handed a farm? - Confused |
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Mal-mamba
30/04/2008 08:44
You have peddled this idiocy of yours on other blogs and comment spaces. I have yet to see anyone ( sane) give it the slightest credibility. I'm all for freedom of speech but surely news 24 could excercise some quality control - Bokfan |
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of course ...
30/04/2008 08:45
...to claim that African intellectuals are doing the right thing by blindly going against europe is as ridiculous as the opposite. The issue here is not an african/european conflict or promises made or broken (if we are to blame should we not begin with looking at the reasoning behind Britain breaking their promise?). Mugabe is a dictator with no regard for the african people you say should defend Africa. Africa must decide for herself whether they support corruption, violence and murder.... - mallencolly |
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Zuma for President
30/04/2008 08:47
I am a White South African and Zuma scares the hell out of me. But I would rather have a President with a Back bone then the now Spineless Mbeki. Something has to be done to resolve the issue?s in Zim and get it back on track. Millions of people are starving and living with out a roof over their heads. Millions more are pouring in to SA and putting more pressure on our economy. They are taking jobs away from SA, causing more crime but I suppose you don?t know this because you are sitting abroad happy as a pig in sh?. - Nick |
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Can't see the wood for the trees
30/04/2008 08:48
Have you been living under ground for the last few years? While land redistribution may have been the issue five years ago, the abortion that Zimbabawe has become is about a hell of a lot more than just land! And, as a matter of interest, it is not just black journalists who agree with the western views on Zimbabwe, Cosatu and the SACP do too!!!!! You've missed the bus completely with this silly article. - Alex |
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Jon Qwelane
30/04/2008 08:48
Mr Malamba I believe you have a point with regard to south african journalist reporting methods, but the thing is these journalist work under the leadership and management of europeans (whites) who will at all cost promote and protect white man's thoughts. There are many South african journalist who are independant thinkers but will never be given an opportunity to express their views in print media. John Qwelane is an exception. You tend to make blanket statement about blacks - concerned south african |
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Zip-it
30/04/2008 08:49
I am glad you are living overseas. Keep it up. Ignorance is bliss! - Happy |
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you're a twit
30/04/2008 08:53
People are dying in Zimbabwe. Last time I looked the opposirion in Zimababwe is black not white. Mugabe is a despotic murderer. Only our spineless idiot of a president see's fit to do ef all,nada,niks, jack squat, his idea of helping the Zimbabwe situation is to grovel around Mugabe the very person who has caused all the trouble in Zim. Its easy for you to pontificate about mother africa while you sit in some western country which you seem to hate. If you hate Europeans so much WTF are you l - mikey |
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I'm no big fan of Cde Mugabe, but John does have
30/04/2008 08:54
a point about the UK breaking its promise to provide funding for land restitution in Zimbabwe. Why is it that the British government has no comment about this? People also have very short memories about all the good stuff that Cde Mugabe did before he married that cow (Grace). - Harrison Magalefa |
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Black South Africa?
30/04/2008 08:54
Firstly, why did you run away? Secondly, since when is Mbeki the black peoples president. Is he not president for all the people of SA. He let everyone down in SA with spiralling crime, health gone to the dogs and education that will make you cry. Does he get my support? NO never. - Hansie |
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To John ....
30/04/2008 08:55
Why don't you do some research into the brekadown of the Lancaster Agreement before you go publishing your garbage ?. The agreement was rescinded after Mugabe was shown to be using the money provided, almost 600 million dollars, to do nothing but enrich himself !!!. He is nothing more than a savage dictator and if you love him so much then go and live in Zimbabwe instead of enjoying the very democracy that has been built up by the Europeans you despise. You are a hippocrite of the highest order ! - Realist |
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Right or wrong?
30/04/2008 08:55
Is it a African Culture - not to tell a headman when he is wrong? - Me |
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I agree
30/04/2008 08:55
If a whole country colapse on one broken promise there was not mutch there to begin with. So you can not trust these guys, move it to Nigeria. - vc |
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Please define WE
30/04/2008 08:56
you are sitting abroad? maybe you should come back to Africa and then your comments will hold a few drops? Maybe the journalists can see the bigger picture and they comparing Europe and Africa and have identified that it is the leaders in Africa that are the root of all the problems in Africa and not the I am sure you would also back track on a promise if you were paying money to a person who was not using it as initially intended (lining their own pockets). So who actually broke the promise in the first place? - DGC |
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abroad
30/04/2008 08:57
I am sick of people living "abroad" telling black africans how to live their lives! Mugabe is a tyrant and a murderer and the quicker he is deposed, the better for the entire continent - Vusi |
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Unfairly breaking a promise???
30/04/2008 08:57
You need to check your facts before you start making comments. Britain cancelled it willing buyer/willing seller deal after it became clear that Zim was not applying the funds to redistribution of land to all Zimbabweans. The majority of land was passed on to Mugabe himself and his supporters in high political office. I am sure Britain will relook at the redistribution fund if political change for the better is brought around in Zimbabwe. - Phil |
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ignorance
30/04/2008 08:58
What an ignorant fool, living abroad, totally dettached from the reality of Africa! Did you not consider that journalists all condemn Mbekis stance because it is pathetic. What you suggest is that because they are black, and he is black, they must support him. What about the issues? Please move back to Africa and go and settle in rural Matabeleland, or even in certain suburbs of Harare. Then please comment on whether Mbeki has his head buried up his own (or Mugabes) behind! - rory |
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We don't owe Mbeki undue allegiance
30/04/2008 09:00
I hear where you are coming from John, but I, like millions of other black intellectuals who have always supported pres. Mbeki feel, that I can longer support him on his current stance.
Zimbabwe is in a crisis and that is obvious to all and sundry. Yes, Mugabe's intentions started of well, but how he has dealt with the situation subsequently has been nothing but tragic and I feel it the role of progressive African leaders like Mbeki to show him that in no uncertain terms.
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Refreshing article John
30/04/2008 09:01
I agree wholeheartedly with you John. I meet lots of our people on a daily basis in the township who will agree with your sentiments. President Mbeki is a brilliant leader who does not take sides in his mediation role and as an astute leader he recognizes that Zim is a sovereign state. The problem facing most black South Africans including journalist is colonization and the propaganda instilled in their minds by the white apartheid media. I would not be suprised if "coconuts" bash your thoughts.T - Calvin Mkhize |
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J Malamba, you got it all wrong!
30/04/2008 09:02
You completely failed to make any case for defending Mbeki's wrong approach. His protection of Mugabe to date has prolonged the demise of Mugabe's regime and the recovery of Zim. This is a leader who has also failed to deal with all the crises (crime, unemployment, HIV, etc.) facing SA. African dictators are not serving any of Africa's purpose. - Mpho |
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Aha
30/04/2008 09:03
I re - read your letter and realised that you obvously think that all black people must think exactly the same - sheep mentality, that of not disagreeing with someone because he is black. I think that a lot of black people here don't agree with Mbeki becos he is aloof and distant, besides his stance on aids, crime etc etc. But you reckon all black people must agree with Mbeki purely because he is black? Enjoy your stay abroad while Africa burns. - mikey |
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Something forgotten
30/04/2008 09:03
Most people defending Butcher-Bob tend to do so because he is black. Unfortunately the opposition is also black and they seem to care about the average Zimbo. Bob tend to murder, beat-up, rape, steal from these people. (But just because Brittain and most white people don't like him, he still get's support). Open your eyes, black people are the ones suffering, not the hand-full of whites in Zim. Thabo is a waste of skin and an idiot, he is probably married to Bob's sista or something. - Happy |
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To 'Harrison'
30/04/2008 09:03
Do some research before you show your ignorance, please. The Lancaster Agreement was broken by Mugabe through his corruption and self greed. The same characteristics that have left Zimbabwe in the state it is today. Funny how the West is always blamed for all of Africa's woes yet they are the first countries African's run to when they have completely screwed up their own countries. Africa will always be a useless begging bowl blaming someone else for all their wrongdoings. Sick of it !. - Realist |
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Well said, chief!
30/04/2008 09:07
I fully agree with you my brother. We have a long way to go in Afrika. Neo-colonial indoctrination happens here everyday. Afrikan journalists in this country have become western stooges. I now even resort to non-journalistic material for Afrikan-biased ideologies. Zemnk'iinkomo magwala ndini! - Luvuyo |
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SA Media a disappointment indeed ...
30/04/2008 09:08
The problem is lack of honesty in the media. Mbeki's efforts have led to a situation now that the MDC has won Parliament, Senate and municipalities. For the first time MDC campaign freely before elections and were allowed to access ZANU-PF?s rural strong-holds. And this was all the results of Mbeki?s work behind the scenes. Do you folks believe that screaming 'goody-goody' statements about human rights and good governance, sprinkling those with insults, would have achieved more than ?quiet diplomacy?, ensuring that MDC beat ZANU-PF? While the rest of the 'great? countries like UK and US hurl insults from afar, someone's got to knuckle down to do the work - and Mbeki did it. I don't understand why you think Mbeki criticizing Mugabe is a best foreign policy? Come on South Africans, give credit where is due ? - TheOne |
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Something that irks me
30/04/2008 09:09
SA would be so much better if all the people who ran away trying to justify their moves would stop whining on these forums. When you leave you have no right to comment. Decide what you are Black African or African American. BTW, what is a black African? This goes to all who left, black and white! - Wouldn't it be nice |
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Mugabe was maybe wrong....ha ha ha ha
30/04/2008 09:10
"Mugabe was maybe wrong by going this far"....MAYBE wrong? I cannot believe I'm reading this. Well thank you anyway for sharing with this forum a piece of your obviously prodigious intellect. You say you are living abraod hey? At a guess I reckon it must be over the border in Maputo and at another guess I'd say you are probably cleaning the toilets in a hotel there. - Cynical |
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Defending Africa
30/04/2008 09:13
Defending Africa means exactly that:Defending Africa against dictators,corruption,civil wars famine, bad governance etc.The enemy of Africa is within,not outside. - Godfrey |
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You have no say in what we do!
30/04/2008 09:13
As a black South African abroad you are not South African anymore and have no say in what goes on in SA. So shut up!! And when a wrong is done to millions by Mugabe even blacks start seeing that Mbeki's stance is wrong! Fool! - Big R |
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There is NO debate!
30/04/2008 09:15
John needs a reality check. For people to defend Mubabe after all the evil he has committed so opnely reinforces the fact that no rational thought can be applied to the situation. The zim crisis has NOTHING to do with Britain and EVERYTHING to do with the dictator that fuels it. THE black South African intellectuals u refer to are exactly that, intellectuals, u sir obviously are not. Open your eyes, stop shifting blame, and focus on a solution or our continet dies blaming others.... - Jacob ngube |
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Pardon my effrontery
30/04/2008 09:17
Um, I am sorry for discussing the elephant in the room but if you want to defend Africa, wtf are you doing overseas dude.Are you practicing to be a mugabe or something akin to him? - sean |
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I agree
30/04/2008 09:18
If a whole country colapse on one broken promise there was not mutch there to begin with. So you can not trust these guys, move it to Nigeria. - vc |
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We must defend Africa
30/04/2008 09:19
If you love Africa so much why are you living abroad? Situatuation here a little rough for you?
Please come back and show us how to stop SA from becomming like Zimbabwe, if that`s actually what you want. - Rob Crick |
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Still colonised
30/04/2008 09:19
Mugabe is being punished for being an independant thinker and for his refusal to be directed by other nations. Why britain wanted to direct mugabe on what to do on the funds given. The point is white still in someway colonised Africa.We need firm and dicisive leaders like Mbeki and mugabe. If we can get a mixture of mbeki and mugabe in one person, what a great president we would have. - concerned south african |
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Has...
30/04/2008 09:20
... the thought occurred to you that, just maybe, Mbeki is wrong in his approach to teh Zim affair? That's what democracy is about: if you don't agree with your leader's (lack of) stance, you say so. - chris |
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Catch a wake up
30/04/2008 09:21
Your piece is quite shallow broe - you make statements without any solid back up. I think what you should have done is write a piece praising Mugabe, I would still have given you a verbal whipping, black brother!!! - Jusjazz |
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African Hypocricy...
30/04/2008 09:22
"Harrison Magalefa" and "concerned south african" are true reflections of african ignorance.it proves how racist blacks are by defending every action purely because they are black.you will always blame whites for your shortcommings and never take responsibility.saying journalists work for whites who will protect white thoughts at all costs proves you have no concept of business as there can only be supply if there is demand & there is no demand for propaganda.youre probably a beneficiary of BEE' - mp3's mentor |
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Mediation
30/04/2008 09:27
If President Mbeki is not performing his duties then SADC would have simply fired him and replaced him with President E dos Santos from Angola, who has stated clearly that he would not allow the 'West' to influence the political outcome of Zim. Had Britain not reneged on the Lancaster agreement, Zim will be prosperous today. African States should stop seeking solutions from the West. The time of begging the white masters is over and done with it. - Calvin Mkhize |
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You have no say in what we do!
30/04/2008 09:27
As a black South African abroad you are not South African anymore and have no say in what goes on in SA. So shut up!! And when a wrong is done to millions by Mugabe even blacks start seeing that Mbeki's stance is wrong! Fool! - Big R |
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How I Feel
30/04/2008 09:31
The time of the freedom fighters have come and gone, we'll build you monuments, hail you for freeing us and always remember you. But for the sake of progress and for Africa to move forward we don't need you. - Andre |
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POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK
30/04/2008 09:32
EISHHHHH and there you sit with the whities overseas and blame your brothers for being brainwashed,typical,,listen buddy thank god there are blacks that are willing to stand up and see that it has nada to do with protecting Africa,Zimbabwe is imploding in on itself and it aint got nothing to do with the whites , it is the blacks that are suffering by a Black Hitler.That is why i see a future for SA is because we have black intellectuals that can see the wood for the trees and dont wanta Zim her
- Brett Petzer |
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BLACK CULTURE?? NOT MINE!!!
30/04/2008 09:33
I am absolutely disgusted, by the comment that it is in Black Culture not to tell a CHIEF/HEADMAN when they are wrong. What crap is that. If he is killing a nation, destroying an economy and driving loads of people to flee his country, surely he must be removed. Or is it black culture to be known and remembered as a babaric and viscious dictator. It is comments like these, that makes me worry about what will happen in SA. If Mbeki does wrong, must blacks keep quiet,because he is our leader!!
- FRANKMAN |
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You may be right, I may be crazy...
30/04/2008 09:36
Wow! If, out of hundreds of intellegent (black) journalists, not one believes Mbeki's approach is right, then, well, maybe he is crazy. To the writer of this letter - stay where you are. You will definitely not make things better here.
- Johan |
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He..he, there is no cris in Zim?
30/04/2008 09:36
I'm a black S.African who is very disturbed by John's comments. You have to come and taste the socio-economic lifestyle of Zim.The Zimbabweans are suffering because of Mugabe's stupid strategy of ruling the country.People on the ground have suffered a lot and yet you are telling us that Mugabe is Right.How many Zimbabweans I've met abroad and don't even considered to come back home while Mugabe is still in power. MDC leader is not my favourate anyway but we difinately looking for a change in Zimo - Vilakazi Basil |
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WHY COLOR???
30/04/2008 09:36
You don't need to be black or white to distinguish between right and wrong. Stop being irreverent and look at the facts, how long shall the people of Zimbabwe suffer while Mbeki is standing aside and looking, even my 10 year old brother knows that there is a crisis in Zim. I wonder why are you living abroad? - BLACK AND WHITE |
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Media
30/04/2008 09:39
Mugabe is wrong but colonisation continues
and the media is a tool.
Media ownership ?Who own South Africa?s biggest newspapers.Newsagencies like Reuters.Sapa r culprits.Decent African channels r barred in the UK?Why can?t we see SABC Africa in the UK,US but we can see CNBC,CNN,BBC every hour.a U.K or US person cant locate South Africa on the map but we know the names of their University?s,Cities etc ; even actors names - motswanagape |
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To 'Calvin'
30/04/2008 09:42
You were exposed as being a fraud a long time ago on these forums.
You being a white, Afrikaans, South African and feeling the need to post comments, as an ignorant black man, simply to stir up controversy is very sad. Do you have nothing better to do ?. - Realist |
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Defend the indefensible
30/04/2008 09:43
I have little sympathy for Zimbabweans, after all they voted that lunatic into office in the first place, well they got what they wanted. If only it were that simple. I was told by a huge cattle farmer from Zimbabwe years ago that on one occasion his trucks and drivers were commandered and forced to load hundreds of dead blacks onto them, to be chucked into machine dug mass graves.
This is the Bob they wanted, well they got him. - Rob |
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I refuse to bow to narrow minded stereo-typing
30/04/2008 09:43
People like "mp3's mentor" blindly believe everything dished up by the media as the only truth. Fact is, that if you are willing to open your mind you could find other valid (& more factual) viewpoints out there. Just because my viewpoint differs from yours does not make me racist! And if you bother to see my 1st posting you would see that I think Cde Mbeki must go! - Harrison Magalefa |
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What has Mbeki done
30/04/2008 09:44
Could I ask what Mr Mbeki has actually done to help the situation in Zimbabwe? As far as I'm concerned he has achieved absolutely nothing. So if you want to praise someone who has accomplished nothing well the country is in a crisis, be my guest. - Sean |
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The real reason
30/04/2008 09:45
let's look at things from MDC's POV:they managed to garner enough support to oust Mugabe's dictatorial regime against all odds with no weapons, fighting or demonstrations but through legal, democratic channels!now they ask for help from the int community as so many countrymen are dying for wanting a better life,and they get told to get stuffed! Doesn't say much for global democratic powers now does it? Pathetic! - Ryan |
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Well done !!
30/04/2008 09:46
After reading all the comments it really warmed my hart see to see South Africans defending their own so passionately. And to the OUTSIDER you are so wrong. - Very Proud South African |
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What does unite us...
30/04/2008 09:47
i kind of agree with the article, africa needs to find her own feet, and not emulate what was forced upon her by europe (politics, judicial system, religion etc etc), but mugabe is a dictator and needs to go, pity the only taker is a western puppet.
BUT, way to pull together to give the guy overseas grief! if you're not here, if you ran away to greener pastures, you should rather keep quiet imo. it is interesting how we agree on some things, but fight like cat and dog over others. - Lumukanda |
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To all moaning about John commenting and not living in SA anymore
30/04/2008 09:47
Can I take it that you will be as aggressive towards all people who have left the country who comment on this forum. I have noticed many ex-pats making comments, but you seem to agree with them if they are critical statements similar to yours. Are you telling John he has no right to a comment because he lives abroad, or because you disagree with him? - WAM |
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Mad Bob Mugabe
30/04/2008 09:49
An overseas military opperative once told me of a little known "meeting" once held years ago by several black leaders to the North of us and from elswhere, when it was resolved to disenfranchise whites in Africa. We`re seeing this in South Africa now and worse is yet to come. Rob - Rob |
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Defend Africa
30/04/2008 09:51
These people don't know the history of the crisis in Zimbabwe.
November 1997: Mugabe gives in to a group from "war veterans" who had become restless and demanding compensation for their participation in the war of independence. Their argument was that they all participated in the war but the "chefs" were now enjoying themselves in government and ignoring those who were foot soldiers. They demonstrated when Mugabe was giving a Heroes' day speech. Mugabe panicked. They numbered 50 000 though in reality more than two thirds of these were fake. Mugabe gave each of them Z$50 000 tax free together with other packages eg free medical aid, free school fees for their children , monthly allowances of Z$5000 tax free etc. The Z$50 000 of 1997 was stronger than the current R50 000. This money was not budgeted for. It had to be printed by the Reserve Bank against economic advice. The beginning of inflation!
The result....The "Black Friday", November 27 1997 where the Zim$ lost its value to the US$ from 1:7 to 1:15 in one day. The following day it traded at 1: 22 to the US dollar. Then social problems followed.Prices started to rise.
Pressure groups (especially the workers' union) became more vocal. There was a demand for a new constitution whose aim was to primarily limit the powers of the president from making unilateral decisions without consulting parliament as Mugabe did to these war veterans gratuities. A new people driven constitution was compiled by December 1999 with help from UN. Mugabe deliberately edited some parts and when it went for referendum, people rejected it outright. Mugabe pretended to be annoyed by this rejection but he deliberately edited the constitution so that people would reject it and he could use the current one which favours him. The opposition MDC was formed during this period, its catchment area being the angry workers and business people. The MDC was at the forefront of inciting people to reject the doctored constitution.
Meanwhile Mugabe observed that among those supporting the MDC were commercial farmers the majority of whom were white. He targeted them. The rest is history.
Then the war in the DRC followed. The country was already in trouble but Mugabe, after consulting himself, sends almost his entire army to help Laurent Kabila's government. Mugabe's army generals had told him that this was a golden opportunity to loot the diamonds in the DRC when that country pays back the favour of being aided in a war it had almost lost. Mugabe's argument to the nation was that he was helping a neighbour from rebel attack. The cost of this war was devastating. The economy's free fall accelerated. The army generals looted the diamonds and pocketed the money. Mugabe got also his share.
Today official inflation is 165 000% annually which means around 450% daily. This means that on a daily basis prices multiply themselves by 5. No government survives this.
So what this talk of sanctions? These sanctions are targeted at senior ZANU(PF) members. Any Zimbabwean who is not part of this group can do business with aEurope and America. Barclays bank and Standard Chartered Bank are two British Banks still operating in the country. British Airways only withdrew from operating in Zimbabwe end of last year due to fuel problems. So sanctions, what sanctions?
- Jackie |
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What ?????
30/04/2008 09:54
John, whatever you are smoking broer you need to share it with others , your defination of intellectuals!!! maybe i need a mind check up too, but hey we cannot defend wrong irrespective of who is commiting it, in your right mind why would have SADC gathered in Zambai if the Zim situation was "normal" as your Pres has put it, maybe he should also joined you and leave the country!!
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Fully Agree with John
30/04/2008 09:55
I am fully supporting my President. Everybody, in the whole world knows that Bush lied about the Weapons of Mass Destruction, but not even one is prepared to shout that loud. WHY? Somebody tell me please. Mbeki must go on with the quiet diplomacy, he has my support. - Z |
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NEED YOUR HEAD READ
30/04/2008 09:55
Not so strange that an expat can come up with the |
