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Ai, Rielle
07/05/2008 08:46
Do you really believe that a government can allow people to squat just wherever they like? Have you ever thought of the consequences of such an approach? Chaos an total lawlessness. There are still a few people left in the RSA who are strying to live by the laws of the country (even though some new laws are ridiculous)although the numbers seem to be dwindling rapidly. - DrDoLittle |
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Government
07/05/2008 08:48
It's governments fault, where is the homes they promised to build in 1994? - J0e |
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Compassion
07/05/2008 08:50
Rielle, yor compassion is touching and I don't think there is a short term humanitarian solution to squatters, worldwide. However, these people have to realise or be shown that simply plonking down their modest belongings and setting up "home" where it suits them is unacceptable. How long will a "first world" city remain such if people are allowed to squat where they see fit? If these people were setting up "home" on a vacant piece of land next door to your home, would you be so understanding? - Sean |
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I feel you
07/05/2008 08:50
Warning or not is it really necessary to burn their meagre belongings? It costs more but how about relocating these people to another area and helping them rebuild their shacks? That's the kind of service I expect for the poor when I pay my taxes - not to be humiliated like that. Of course in a perfect world I'd like nice little houses to be waiting for them. Clean water and sanitary services too... One day they will. - May |
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matter of responsebility
07/05/2008 08:52
this people are them same people who committe crimes like smash and grabs at traffic lights mugging joggers in the early morning,they should be takeng to a homeless centre if one exist and give them opportunities to work hard for a roof over they head... people need to know responsebility - thabo |
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Rielle...
07/05/2008 08:56
There are countless numbers of us who feel as concerned as you for these poor people, and yes, I do believe that each one of us can make a difference in some small way. Sadly though, these are the people who have put corrupt individuals into power believeing that they would make a difference and provide them with long awaited houses, etc. and yes, they have provided some relief for the masses...after taking the lions share for themselves. Ever noticed how black beggars don't beg from blacks. - Me2 |
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I dont agree
07/05/2008 08:57
With the cops burning their houses down , But I fully blame the govermunt. In 14 years everyone should have had a house already I mean th money is there they bragged about how many billions of tax was collected above their targets so whats the problem why not buil houses for the poor ?Sorry I Have no sympathy those squatters voted for them that same govermunt that employs the cops... - charlie |
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Squatters
07/05/2008 08:59
I wonder how much empathy you would have if it was your land that they were squatting on. They were depriving the lawful owner the use of his land and if they chose to ignore the eviction order they must accept the consequences of this. - frank |
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Move on
07/05/2008 09:00
If they dont own the property move them. Its the law. Nothing to debate. - Judge Drake |
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Squatters
07/05/2008 09:01
I had been asking myself the same question long time ago. If is true that the Kingdom of Heaven is for the poor, let it be. Everything nowadays needs certain qualifications, certain paper work and certain time to wait for whatever is going on. but for someone in the street, there is no hope, plan or future.
God Bless them.
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Agree and disgree with Joe
07/05/2008 09:03
I agree it is the governments fault, to a certain extent. The homes they promised to build in 1994 are occupied by illegal and legal immigrants from the rets of Africa, who the government welcome with open arms. Like South Africa is a welcome place to come squat. Where were all these Squatters staying before they squatted ? - Geoff |
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If they dont get removed...
07/05/2008 09:03
Same happened on a property of mine few years back , A few sqautters moved in over weekend and next thing I knew there where thousends , I could not do anything , I eventually lost the property ,as I was getting bills for water and stuff. I gave up tghe property and lost a few million rand. Why I had to give up a property after the govermunt promised the people land I would not know , But lesson learned , I find sqauters ion my property I will remove them forcefully if needed !! - tiekies |
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You can do something
07/05/2008 09:06
Rielle,
I can feel the sadness in your email, but we can do something about these evictions. Consider that you have a home and probably do not use all the land and rooms available to you. Perhaps you can take in some of the squatters into your home and you can provide all the services they need and ensure that they do not go hungry or cold. - Lvh |
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short cuts
07/05/2008 09:07
short cuts they don't want to pay for anything
they must be remove and housing dept must provude people like this houses (RDP) - t |
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Problem
07/05/2008 09:09
If they are allowed to squat on the embarkment, someone will complain to the police that they are causing a nuisance. We also need to provide services like water and sewerage. While some of the people are genuine, many are probably illegal or simply people wanting to create their own community and rules. We need to understand the phenomenon before we criticise or agree with these policies. - Len van Heerden |
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South Africa
07/05/2008 09:11
I have a job and a place to live but sometimes I struggle to make ends meet. I am not saying people squatting like that is a good thing but what else can they do, I really feel bad for the people who don't have proper shelter when I am curled up at home in front of the fireplace. I really am lucky to have a home and a job and food, appreciate what you have! And for all the people calling the shots, try to do the humane thing when it comes to taking down somebody's shelter. - Concerned |
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Where are the houses the ANC promissed >?
07/05/2008 09:12
If these people occupy land that is not theirs or the govermunts , they must be removed as simple as that!! Vote again for the ANC , they keeping their promisses !! - bongani |
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Question for May
07/05/2008 09:12
If these people were to squat in a piece of land you own and refuse to move despite all attempts at communicating with them, what would you suggest? Yes, it is very hard to imagine that anyone would intentionally live in squalor posing a risk to themselves, but imagine that the more houses are built, the more individuals build shacks to catapult themselves into the list for a second home. - L |
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squatters
07/05/2008 09:12
We should really re-consider our priorities.Its a cliche but the problem with SA is the utilisation of resources:Manuel allocates millions but how r they utilised.No one cares...but like always someone pays the price."Poor maan a feel it".No man is a squatter in his own land - motswanagape |
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Joe
07/05/2008 09:15
Government has indeed built more than 1 million houses, which is more than they promised.
Can we deal with the issue without always attempting to find government incompetent even when they have done a lot?
We accept your opposition to the government. That is your democratic right, but no one has a right to the truth and facts.
Obviously, we need more houses but only if we tax more - LvH |
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Me2
07/05/2008 09:17
I really have to say that your concern does not seem to be that of the individuals, rather a political agenda. These people could be illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe who are chased out of townships (attredgeville, etc). When I last checked, they cannot vote in SA - L van Heerden |
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Tiekies
07/05/2008 09:18
You say the government promised people land. Please elaborate on this as I am not aware of it. - L |
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Agendas and egos
07/05/2008 09:18
If there were more caring ppl in the world there would be less fighting, crime etc. Trust a couple of males to not see the soft side of things. If women were in charge of everything the world would run a hell of a lot smoothly and kindly.For one, we wouldn't have psycho people locking up their daughters underground for 24 years and raping them. Wouldn't have a dictator in Zimbabwe watching ppl starve blinded by his own agenda. Oh the egos that screw everything up in this world. - Jay |
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Its only an election strategy J0e
07/05/2008 09:19
They promise them houses every five years when they need their votes,and every five years they fall for the same bullshit without fail.Most of the houses they do eventually build for them fall into pieces after the first few months.After getting over R577 Billion from the taxpayer in the last financial year its a disgrace that this is all they can provide the people with! - The Truth |
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Mixed feelings
07/05/2008 09:19
Geoff asks the right question. Where were they before they decided to squat on the land? If it was my property I would want them removed. At the same time I feel for these poor people. They are desperate and their only thought is shelter and their next meal. Was it necessary to burn their meagre possessions? Can they not be treated with humanity when they are moved? - DW |
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It all boils down to
07/05/2008 09:24
At the end of the day we will never be able to eradicate any of the "ugly" circumstances because we cannot accommodate the amount of people. If people stopped having so many children they couldn't afford we wouldn't have half the problems such as squatting, crime etc. - Kim |
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Judge Drake
07/05/2008 09:27
As much as i agree with your reasoning i think burning their belongings goes just a little too far, don't you? By all means move them but don't set fire to what little belongings they have and then stand around watching their lifes belongings go up in smoke. - John Camp |
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LET WE UNDERSTAND.
07/05/2008 09:27
If govt.can allow everybody to occupy any space he/she past through,where are we going?This is not banana republic every one must follw procedure otherwise you face repercusions. - BETHUELB |
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squatters
07/05/2008 09:27
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT STEAL, RAPE AND COMMIT A LOT OF CRIME. THEY SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. WE HAVE ENOUGH CRIME ETC. HERE.
ON THE SIDE OF OUR HIGHWAYS AND OTHER AREAS LOOK AT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. A TRASH CAN, THEY CANT EVEN KEEP THE PLACES CLEAN, THEN YOU SAY WE MUST HAVE A HEART. YOU ARE CRAZY, THE QUICKER THEY ARE TOLD AND FORCED TO GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, THE BETTER FOR US. THEY COME HERE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, KNOWING OUR PEOPLE HAVE NO JOBS. - marlene |
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A question to the right honourable(S)
07/05/2008 09:30
Len van Heerden, L, LvH, Len Anderson. Are you not missing the point? WAS it necessary to burn their belonings? How would you feel if i was to set fire to your car if you "illegally" parked it? - John Camp |
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"more tax" LvH?
07/05/2008 09:30
So according to you over R577 Billion from taxes injected into the fiscus (in one financial year alone!) is not enough then? How many departments (including housing) have not even used their allocated budgets yet (and this has been going on for years)? Only they know why that money hasn't been utilised yet.Seems to me that if they can't steal it,then they just won't use it at all (its called spite). - The Truth |
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@Me2
07/05/2008 09:40
You must be blind to say that you've never seen a black begger begging from black people. i have people begging from me and other blacks everyday. pple like you like bring in race at every opportunity. anyway i fully agree with Jay, male ego's and power struggles are the main reasons for the chaos all over the world. pple just appreciate the compasionate tone of Rielle's letter, which doesnt condone lawlessness. - Boni |
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Your values vs Squatter values. 2 sides to story.
07/05/2008 09:47
Sorry, but I am of the opinion that the squatters brought it on themselves. These squatter camps are zest pools of criminals. This is fact! Yes, they need schelter and sustenance, but considder where they / most originate from. Urbanisation is one of the problems, another is mass movement of people by authorities as a strategy to downgrade previously privileged areas and forced integration. ANC Strategy to take over and govern everything. Dont believe me, then study past history since 1994. - Matrix |
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Human rights v/s Property Rights.
07/05/2008 09:49
Our bill of rights guarantees people certain human rights e.g. food, shelter etc, however we should balance these rights with those of right to own property and should be protected. The dept of social welfare should have been consulted first to ensure that these people are taken care of. The police are right to protect and enforce property ownership, however they should do so in a civilised way i.e. consult with relevant authority ensuring that alternative shelter is offered. - Libembe |
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Angry with this governments failures
07/05/2008 09:49
I am so angry at the way this government has squandered the fantastic opportunities it had on coming to power in 1994.
It has failed these poverty-stricken people and so many others with it's consistent failure to deliver anything close to what was promised.
Had the ANC tackled issues like poverty in a meaningful way, such scenes would be a thing of the past today. They however have been too busy feeding at the trough of self-enrichment to give a damn! - Stewart Wood |
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To Trevor Manuel & colleagues..
07/05/2008 09:51
R60 billion for guns & bullets & warships & fighter aircraft (arms deal), R30 billion for transporting wealthy tourists from OR Tambo to Sandton (Gautrain), R20 billion for FIFA approved 1st World soccer stadiums for tourists to enjoy for 1 month!
I'm not surprised there is no money left for houses and hospitals for the millions of poor that supported Trevor & co way back in 1994. Shame on you Trevor! - ANC member |
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@ LvH
07/05/2008 09:51
A million houses in 1994 and a million houses in 2008 is not the same. THe population increased by estimated 6-7million. So the government are behind. - jannie |
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despicable people
07/05/2008 09:52
They have been doing it for years. Someone has to stop them. I recall terrible incidents in Selby years ago. And they are self righteous and will not listen or show any mercy. The government must make alternative accomodation. The problem is that the government forget they are there to execute the business of the people of South Africa, they delude themselves into thinking that they are now the kings and the people are the serfs and we must kow tow to their limited mindsets and conciousness. - Eden |
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Not racist, only practical !!!
07/05/2008 09:54
If there was a fair, unbiased and non-racist government in place, promises of housing would be implemented and not just promised. If immigrant control was adequately enforced, then many illegals would not be part of squatter camps & they would also not be targeted & more job opportuniies for RSA citizens. Also agree with Kim. Breeding to up numbers is short sighted & all loose in the end. I still believe that RSA problems can be resolved with a change in ATTITUDE. - Matrix |
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Answer for L
07/05/2008 09:58
Yes I have dealt with squatters on my property. I am not saying the law does not apply but questioning whether its necessary to burn their belongings. And I'm suggesting a more humane approach by helping them to relocate to a suitable area for their shacks. They must go somewhere. Your cynicism on the housing issue is apalling by the way! Try coming up with solutions rather. - May |
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good for your emotions
07/05/2008 10:03
The whole point of the story is that there is "no humanity left in our souls".No justification or blame laid anywhere, just a feeling of there but for the grace of God am I.If there were enough Rielle's no problem would be unable to be resolved in a humanitarian fashion. Mother Theresa, Madiba, Rielle-all cut of the same cloth - Andy |
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Humanism
07/05/2008 10:04
Thank you for a well written article Rielle. It has highlighted the growing lack of humanistic thought amongst those who bear the title of human beings. Here I refer to those commentors who do so from the comforts of their warm offices and homes and feel righteous enough to be able to judge those who have less than they do. I can however offer you some Good News - the time is coming when those who place themselves first will be last - not by political liberation, but by that of the Creator. - J |
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LvH
07/05/2008 10:05
Why pay more taxes, the government we pay taxes to use it for their own benefit, not the benefit of the homeless. R43 Billion for an arms deal?? Is that where our taxes are going? But burning their stuff (or maybe ours really since they most probably stole it) is going to far. These people voted for the government and they haven't delivered as promised. Unfortunate to say, they the governments problem as we already paying dearly for their mess ups already eg: Eskom.... - Win |
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Quiet Diplomacy
07/05/2008 10:07
Another kickback from the quiet diplomacy of Mbeki as Zimbabweans flee to this country. Most crime you hear of now is by Zimbabweans in this country and they stay in these squatter camps. - Win |
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Burning belongings
07/05/2008 10:08
To all those who complain about the burned belongings: I think you will find, upon investigation, that the police burned the means to build the shacks,and not the belongings - it is against the law, as well as the constitution, to burn others' belongings. Burning the parts of the shack is the only way to stop the rebuilding of the same shack in the same location. In Lenasia South they have been trying to move the squatters there for about 4 years - every time they try, the squatters riot. - carel |
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@L
07/05/2008 10:09
Where the hell where you all this time?? , Will the RDP houses they where pormissed going to float in mid air ?What about somthing called land destrubution ask somone to excplain what that means .. Jeesh apply for a free education you realy need it ,,.,, - tiekies |
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proving the title...
07/05/2008 10:12
I cannot believe people are actually trying to justify the actions of the police. The author is right in asking whether there is any humanity left in our souls... - mallencolly |
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by 2014
07/05/2008 10:16
The govt`s plan to house the majority poor population by 2014 was a step in the right direction but somewhere along the line they got sidetracked by allowing millions of foreigners into the country at free will and by so doing made this and unachievable goal cos where to these "new south africans" stay, they too need housing,they`ve shot themselves in the foor where and failed us real south africans by selling us out to foreigners. - fatman |
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The Truth
07/05/2008 10:16
Many "homeless" people may in fact have RDP houses, but becasue they are located in provinces with fewer job opportunities or located far away from the CBD where many beg for a living, many prefer to abandon them to someone else.But I agree that all humans are deserving of respect and for the cops to burn their meagre belongings is sick. - VG |
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Just a comment
07/05/2008 10:18
I really feel for the squatters, but we cannot allow any further squatting. Have you been through the Garden Route lately? Go and see the dreadful sight! Homeless everywhere terrible. I blame it on the present government. Where are the homes they promised? I dont think we have the space to build houses, especially when they are coming in droves from neighbouring countries. We can only pray. - carol |
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Andy good for your emotions
07/05/2008 10:19
Yup I must agree , but unfortunatly humanity has to come from all sides . Does these poeple show humanity when they rape a 70 year old lady? or murder some guy in he's house with a hammer ?Or shoot a dad of 3 children for 300 bucks ? Sorry did not think so - bongani |
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Squatters
07/05/2008 10:22
Being a farmer I know all about squatters living on your land. I have had borehole pumps broken, fencing cut and damaged, the vineyards and pastures used as toilets, animals hurt by children who just don't care and you live with total drunken people who don't even work for you or on your farm. As un - pleasant as it it - we are busy with evictions of illegal people - but the law it appears is on their side. Come and live with this and see how you fair. - MickM |
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good one, Rielle
07/05/2008 10:26
Nice humane article Rielle, but to Marlene, Thabo etc, these probably AREN'T the people who rob and rape. Robbers usually have enough money not to squat in such circumstances! As Rielle pointed out, she saw squatters returning from a day's work, picking through the remains. And no, the government will never provide housing for all as long as it allows refugees/illegal immigrants to pour unrestricted across our borders. - jeremy |
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The irony...
07/05/2008 10:32
The irony of it all is these people have commited no serious crime. but rapist and murderers of this country sleep snuggly in there beds and get fed 3 times a day in prison. - MATT |
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Too emotional
07/05/2008 10:32
Even though i do not condone the actions of the cops(burning the belongings of the squatters), i think it is totally unacceptable for people to occupy any land they come across. Whilst these are the poorest of the poor there must be a system that allows for accomodating of squtters. It is just unfortunate that people erect shacks with the hope of getting free housing.Ther's a loophole in the whole system and people are using it so that when evicted they blame the gov.has nothing to do with humour - Mathibela |
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Don't just write, do something
07/05/2008 10:33
So how many blankets, shoes, clothes etc. have you collected and given to these people you feel so sorry for? I sincerely hope a lot. One thing to feel compassion another to help them. - Help |
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Humanity?
07/05/2008 10:39
Once again a case of two wrongs does not make a right. The sad thing is that the government of the day cannot or show no willingness to sort out the real problems. It is much easier to blame the very old horse called "Apartheid" or just put their heads in the sand hoping it will go away. All we can do is to pray for a Godly intervention and as South Africans assist them who suffer. I think many people are tired of giving to the ungreatfull which make it very difficult to do the right thing. - Hattie van Jaarsveld |
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Just too many people
07/05/2008 10:40
Sure the entire squatter/third world situation is shocking and depressing, but why must proactive people be compromised by a mentallity that spawnes children like flies? Every 3rd world country is prone to this. China introduced a policy of 1 family, 1 child many years ago.. look at the result. Why must 20% of the population support 80%? They are a product of their own doing i'm afraid - sad bt true. - Sean |
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Agree with Kim
07/05/2008 10:51
One of the major prblems faicng the world is overpopulataion. It is simple. If you can't afford to have children, don't have them. All you do is introduce more people into the cycle of poverty. I feel little pity for the man who begs on the strret saying he has seven or so children to feed. Why did you have seven children? Though I do feel pity or the children themselves. - BJ |
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Anti-governmentors -Starring -Ussual Racists!!
07/05/2008 10:54
This UR's are still crying for that peach that use to dangle just beyond their reach.They'll stop at nothing to criticize the GOV for not doing enough which is well,not their actuall point.The RDP"S have been & are still being built but according to them they are of low quality.They claim to share the pain of the evicted but well,what bull,they're the one's who made that complaint call to authorities,stating manifestation of Disease,crime etc.Will they donate land to these settlers?.NOPE!SHSHH
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Couldn't agree more VG.One doesn't destroy a person's belongings
07/05/2008 10:56
Its like kicking someone when they are down already.The Western Cape alone has a housing backlog of 400000 (and growing all the time).Another problem is that the construction contracts are still being awarded to cronies,friends and family by the government,which in turn leads to shoddy workmanship (or no workmanship at all). - The Truth |
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Hole in my Soul
07/05/2008 10:56
While compassion for the individual is a human trait, I have no compassion for these people collectively. Most "privileged" people are tired of having their stuff stolen, being hi jacked and shot at and the poor perpetrate crime, good or bad, right or wrong - maybe they have no other option, but they do nothing to change their circumstances (legally)- guess my soul is doomed! - S |
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Land rights
07/05/2008 11:00
Unfortunately squatters can't just squat anywhere. But I must agree with you the way it was handled by the police sounds very wrong. - Rian |
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Jay
07/05/2008 11:04
Your post does not make sense. Having women in charge would not automatically cause the president of our neighbouring country to resign nor would it have caused that Austrian man to not have locked his daughter up. The point that most people are making here is that the law should not be flouted. - frank |
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@ Bongani
07/05/2008 11:05
But your prejudice amazes me.. and you're black? Where did you get to be so hard and uncaring about your own? Poverty does not automatically mean criminal. After all recently a university student was shot dead in an attempted hijacking. I'd love to see some stats on the backgrounds of violent criminals. - Yam |
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Homeless
07/05/2008 11:08
I understand you concern,but really is it fair that people should just erect shacks anywhere they like?Some of these people have homes where they used to live 6 month,12 months ago.I think local govt should really help people who are homeless,and verify the homelessness of others. - Godfrey |
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Vagrants- smoke em out
07/05/2008 11:19
Do gooders giving to these people only makes them think they can do what they want with no consequence. As for whether they are criminals or not - they defecate and urinate in public, they litter, they beg. All of those are against by-laws - so therefore they are criminals just by the fact that they exist.When you check them out many will also be illegal immigrants. - Krag |
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@Les Maada
07/05/2008 11:21
I live in a flat you prick,so how in your wisdom do you intend for someone like me to donate land? Is donating food,clothing and money not enough now? - The Truth |
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I understand you.
07/05/2008 11:28
I Feel sorry for these people but like most people here I really cannot condone squatting let alone squatting in someone?s property. What pains me is that these squatter are not even South Africa. They squat and expect the government to supply them with free housing while a whole lot of South Africans still have no access to services. Its inhuman to burn their belongings and leave them destitute but I really do not think what was burned was really their personal possession. Only corrugated material they use to build their shacks. - CB |
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YAM
07/05/2008 11:30
I dont judge people on their color but on their actions , In SA I have seen the actions , and what they say ? Actions speak louder than words .. Poverty = Crime in at least 70 % of cases .no not all poor are criminals but in SA its easier to do crime than to do a labour job it seems these days.Crime does pay by the looks of the crime rate !! - bongani |
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These people
07/05/2008 11:31
It is just interresting how many of my fellow South Africans are talking about these people in their comments. The poor are not these people but our people if we like it or not. How many of you making comments that it is the governments fault or suites them right has ever made the effort and get to know "these people". Rather than just critisizing and blame shifting go out and help. It is not just the governments responsibility to help the poor it is everyones. - Jumbo |
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Its not the governments faults, its ...
07/05/2008 11:33
the every people being evicted thats to blame 'cos they continue to support/defend the very people that made these promises. During the elections, they were promised houses but nothing was delivered. Instead of getting houses, money is being spent on a holiday for our Dep. President in Dubai, arms deals, Eskom, lawyers to defend a scum metro police chief, the list is endless. - Alvin |
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John Camp
07/05/2008 11:35
Illegally parking my car and illegally squatting are two different things. No, I do not agree with burning their possessions, if that is really what happened. From the letter, I am not really sure whether it was the police that burned something or someone wanted sympathy by starting a fire. We do not know, don't we? - L van Heerden |
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Les Maada
07/05/2008 11:36
Where are these so called houses that are being build please show me, Secondly I know somone from and instatude in the Netherlands ,who gave hundred of millions for RDP houses, When thet came a year later to see what their millions baught ,geuss what the saw nothing and surprisingly all the money was gone !! They went back to netherlands and said that was the last ... So we will bash the govermunt as long as they steal and not deliver .. - charlie |
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Squatters
07/05/2008 11:37
I agree that people should not build where they feel they want to but to smoke them out with fires is just not right guys....imagine if it was you...shame on the government... - Frankk |
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Tiekies
07/05/2008 11:38
Type slowly and take a couple of breaths. Your writing lacks in logic and intelligence.
The government did not promise land. It promised redistribution of land to those that had valid claims and promised houses. There is a difference between a house and land, even though the house might be on land. There are flats and other forms of accomodation that put less premium on land. Chill and stop smoking. - L |
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Mallencolly
07/05/2008 11:40
My problem with all of this is that the author makes no claims about really knowing what happened. I think we need more facts before we jump to conclusions. I do not advocate burning of people's belongings as I do not advocate illegal squatting whether by South Africans or Zimbabweans. - LvH |
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The Truth
07/05/2008 11:42
Keyword is ALLOCATED. If something has been allocated, it means it is not available for housing. Now, perhaps you can give me an idea of whether you understand how our budget is spent? The USA does not build houses and yet collect more money, while borrowing more. Odd that when teachers want salary increase, they also demand a piece of this pie as do those who want water, electricity and other items of convenience. - LvH |
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to ANC Member
07/05/2008 11:42
Does that mean you are renouncing your membership now, or will you reward them again next election, despite your disgust. If you are sticking by them, thenyou are a part of the problem. Government does not care because it does not have to care. Mindless support ensures this. - AJ |
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Jannie
07/05/2008 11:44
The claim is that the government did not build any houses as they promised. Whether houses in 1994 and 2008 are different is immetarial. The issue was the promise and whether such a promise has been carried. I argue that this has been done and do not remember a promise afterwards that they will build a million more. - LvH |
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Steward Wood
07/05/2008 11:46
I think you are misinformed about government can deliver and whether governments can actually end poverty. In the USA, which has far more resources, there is still poverty. Same with Britain. At the same time, countries with no poverty tend to be shunned by the rich because of the high taxes. Cannot have it both ways. - LvH |
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May
07/05/2008 11:48
I think you derive too many conclusions from a short paragraph. Try reading what is read without putting your own conclusions. Address the facts and not cynism or implications. The sooner we deal with facts, the sooner we will agree on solutions.
Not all illegal squatters are genuine. - L |
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Second homes
07/05/2008 11:51
I know poor people with more than 1 home. some have homes in the former homelands and come to the city to get a hoise. Obviously, not all of the, but no doubt some in the group have ulterior motives. No one has addressed the possibility that these people are undocumented illegals.
We expect the cops to address crime, but only if we feel good about their tactics - Len van Heerden |
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this country is full of poor people
07/05/2008 11:59
joe, i agree with you, where are the houses, security and comfort the goverment promised us? goverment people always when they address us they seem alsways to concerned about the poor, but alas, they realy do nothing for the poor. where are the school going chidren? this could have long term negative consequence for them. shame on us South Africans.This country is full of poor people. - donald mogotsi |
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I bow to your supposedly superior financial knowledge LvH
07/05/2008 12:00
If you know so much perhaps you should be working in the department of finance (if you aren't already).You have still not answered my question regarding why much of the allotted funding has not been spent by the departments concerned (some of it dating back years)? If its not through pure spite then it just downright incompetence,mal-administration and mismanagement.All hallmarks of our current "democracy". - The Truth |
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