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2008-09-04 08:12

Dear editor,

I am writing to raise my concern about the recent arrest of 452 "IFP veterans" near Mahlabathini for their alleged involvement in illegal military training.

This is not surprising considering the recent rise of political violence in KwaZulu Natal. This is bigger than it appears to be. The IFP leaders themselves are not angels in this saga. By commission or omission they have always supported the unlawful and barbaric behaviour of their supporters.

A number of ANC leaders like Bheki Cele, Mike Mabuyakhulu, and Mershak Hadebe were recently heckled and insulted by IFP members in the presence of IFP leaders during government functions and there was no intervention or condemnation of such behaviour from the IFP leadership.

By attacking Mike Mabuyakhulu in public, Chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi himself directly or indirectly incited his followers to be on a war path. This was not for the first time though that Buthelezi failed to control his temper as he once lost it against Prince Sifiso Zulu some few years ago.

Chief Buthelezi and recently Thembi Nzuza have mastered the art of talking peace and war with the same tongue at the same time. This is the leader who claimed to have fought for democracy in this country, but when democracy unfolds against him he always makes threats against the democratic institutions that he claimed to have fought for. For instance threats that people are angry and there would be blood shed.

They are using the name change issue to unleash and perpetrate violence and create fear and uncertainty in the minds of the people. It must be recalled that Chief Buthelezi refused to testify before the Truth and Reconciliation commission despite being implicated for inciting violence in KwaZulu Natal and in Gauteng.

Does he really respect our democratic institutions and the values that it stands for? It must be remembered that even President Thabo Mbeki was once disturbed and threatened by spear wielding IFP aligned indunas during a government Imbizo in KwaZulu Natal.

The IFP should be responsible for this illegal recruitment and training of the former war mongers. They raised the expectations of those people when they promise them that they will push for the re-opening of the integration processes.

This is not a pre-1994 era where self defence unit and self protection unit ran amok without any accountability. The law enforcement agencies must ensure that they don't leave any stone unturned in their investigation.

Mtshepana Tembe

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morena 9/4/2008 8:18:51 AM
and i bet you that i know who is behind the training and funding
AJ 9/4/2008 8:18:51 AM
Anything in this country can run "amok without any accountability". It's practically the golden rule of government at present. The intolerance and sheep-mentality of many followers of ANC / IFP will lead to violence as sure as the sun rises tomorrow.
L 9/4/2008 8:22:31 AM
and have voted ANC in every election, but with the kind of rhetoric from the likes of Malema and Vavi (though he seems to have changed his tune once again) I am not sure why we are blaming the IFP for inciting violence, something the ANCYL and COSATU not only propose, but are often involved in. Perhaps Malema can find someone willing to fight him and he can be justified in his desires.
Len van Heerden 9/4/2008 8:25:31 AM
Also howled and booed President Mbeki. How is this behaviour different to that of the IFP? Buthelezi was nothing but an apartheid stooge, but he has atleast been the only African leader willing to call Zuma and his thugs to order. Perhaps the IFP is preparing for Malema and the ANCYL? Buthelezi while opposed to President Mbeki has always asked that he be given respect by the Zuma thugs, and to now they have not listened and they now threaten the Judiciary and the Scorpions.
Jones 9/4/2008 8:34:41 AM
I cant help but wonder if these IFP "veterans" arent just getting ready to defend themselves against the likes of Vavi et als "we will kill" comments. If your worried about the IFPs actions you should equally support inquirey into the ANC. Whats good for the goose ....
carel 9/4/2008 8:37:49 AM
If you checked out the whole issue, you would have noticed that these guys were not training under their old SPU status, but as the "Non-Integrated Forces", which have been in the news several times over the last few years - they also consist of ex-SADF and other forces' members. The situation does lend itself to miss-interpretation and manipulation though, as I cannot remember having seen a single person being utilised as their joint spokesman for all the incidents reported in the media.
spotter 9/4/2008 8:38:00 AM
Mtshepana, why do you take issue with this, but i don't remember seeing you writing a letter about Julies Malema, or Vavi or JZ when they blatantly call for armed action?? The IFP are more intelligent, they didn't publicise thir preparations for trumoil, they just went about their business. The ANC delinquent league... typical fat kid bully syndrome - making verbal threats and no action. Next you're going to tell me that the IFP are training by aerobics listening to a band called "noose knot".
salmon neethling 9/4/2008 8:39:28 AM
If people make statements like "i would kill for Zuma" then people not preparing to kill for Zuma, will prepare do defend themselves.
Les-Maada 9/4/2008 8:48:18 AM
once provoked (or was it a test of stregth) the security of the ANC at the shell House & the results were lots of dead warriors down the streets of JoBurg!!The IFP leadership then decided to shift the blame on the ANC , claiming that they were instead attacked while having a peacefull march that day.But does a machete,spear & gun wielding marcher mean peace..?Least thats how the IFP defines it.
White_African 9/4/2008 8:50:31 AM
Why is the first world so set on advancing? Could it be that their countries and people will have a better life if they focus on progress instead of constant fighting and civil wars ??? Africa and many Africans are so DOF sometimes. Actually more often than sometimes but who's counting... God please bless our continent with leadership that has a clue?
Big Bad Bob 9/4/2008 8:52:18 AM
30 and 40 years ago you used to hear reports about what were then called "faction fights" in what was then called "Natal" or "Zululand". There is a long history of internecine violence in that area. Now that doesn't make anything right or acceptable, but this problem is older than the IFP and the political affiliation of those arrested may be coincindental.
MajorityMuppets 9/4/2008 8:55:02 AM
Funny because it will unfortunately only be the poor that will be affected by violence caused by pensioners(not Veterans) Majority of people in SA are stupid, poor and desperate, so are their leaders! They will all end up fighting and killing each other, eventually the smart minority will come around and pick up the pieces. POOR ANC and their IFP and Cosatu muppets!! Maybe we should start training the Boer veterans and with a small group take it all again :D
MlB 9/4/2008 8:57:22 AM
It is clear that SA is approaching elections. The ruling party has already started by putting the expropriation bill on hold, as well as various other things. I can't believe that people are so naive that they fall for this and the empty promises made. Why didn't they do it in the previous years following the previous election, why always wait to do "good" just before an election?? Hence this article - trying to degrade the opposition, when they are doing much worse. Pathetic!!
Emotionless 9/4/2008 8:59:43 AM
I say let them train and kill each other....I would gladly watch all of their supporters killing each other for their brainless leaders!
Charlie 9/4/2008 9:00:55 AM
NOthing wrong with these people prepairing for war in a country where Cosatu and the ANCYL is threatening every one, Do you expect them to sit back and be caught with their pants down ? You go IFP , Prepair a War is on the way in this country people are getting tired of the ANC !!
Matrix 9/4/2008 9:02:10 AM
with a impresive heritage are standing up to be counted, because the Xhosa people ar not giving them the respect (& promises broken) they deserve? What respect has the ANC&YL shown for the constitution, Gov institutions, etc??? IFP learnt fro the ANC what does & what not is the best strategy, now you confront them??? Obvious you are scared of the powerfull Zulu nation. History will repeat itself under a traditional King & not a bunch of incompetent political regime. Other side of the coin!!!???
John Camp 9/4/2008 9:07:22 AM
Len i fully agree with both your comments. And to Mtshepana, surely you should have shown concern when Vavi, Malema and co publicly stated they would kill for Zuma? We didn't hear you then, why? You are obviously an ANC supporter yes? Anyway please share your thoughts as to why the alarm when IFP "arm" themselves yet silence over the ANC and their shananigans.
Matrix 9/4/2008 9:07:58 AM
More than half the SA population have heard of "democracy". The rest do not know what it really means. Everyone uses this term loosly & then you state that IFP dont respect this institution. Maybe if all SAfricans understood it better, they would support it & no need then for "illegal recruitment & training" to defend themselves. All were promised a better life for all, then came the ANC & distorted this vision, i.e. take away from privileged & give give to underprivileged. Poor still poor!!!
Les-Maada 9/4/2008 9:09:29 AM
Why don't you just give your brains the first priority before allowing your feelings to take over the use of your common senses..?If you knew what the ANC stood & stands for, i doubt you would've used the likes of Malema & Vavi to further your negative attitued spreading campaign against it!!Isn't it very strange that only a few individuals are running Jeepers creepers everytime Malema & Vavi uses figures of speech..?
Libembe 9/4/2008 9:11:11 AM
He is not different from Oupa Qgozo, Lucas Mangope and Bantu Holomisa. At least the others guys fell on their swords, but the diabet idiot seems not to give up. He has opposed sanctions against apartheid and stood side by side with Helen Suzman and Tony Leon who claimed to oppose apartheid yet getting paid by the same government. He has lways been a political imbecile.
dhv 9/4/2008 9:14:01 AM
a blinded ANC supporter. What about the threats made by ANCYL and COSATU regarding killing everyone that gets in the way of Zuma becoming president. These people DEMAND that the charges against Zuma be dropped. Is this respecting democracy in SA? Are the ANCYL and COSATU going to KILL the Scorpions and anyone else that gets in their greedy little way of taking over CONTROL AND POWER of South Africa?
Sinudeity 9/4/2008 9:17:49 AM
Oh, so the IFP are the ones inciting violence? Not Julius? Please go take a hike. If push comes to shove, I will have the back of any IFP person in South Africa. The ANC are the TRUE trouble makers in SA. You dont realise this, but the ANC is WAY out of line, with regards to South African matters. They govern from afar, and think they are in touch with the common folk.
Mart 9/4/2008 9:18:07 AM
constant threats of killing for JZ, killing the scorpions etc etc. Thats fine and right in your opinion i suppose. "Respect the democratic institutions" hahahaaaa, but does your ANC do the same??
bongani ( The real one) 9/4/2008 9:21:49 AM
Can treathen any one in this country on internationl TV. And nothing gets said about that. Let the IFP prepair themselfs against these threaths then its an Issue ??? Double standards or what ?
Matrix 9/4/2008 9:22:59 AM
Spent many holidays in KZN & never had a single issue with them. When the ANC came to power, the fanction violence got worse & they were targeted bcause the ANC was not satisfied with controling the majority of the country, rather wanted the WHOLE SA under their control. Please dont be so biased. We are all one rainbow nation, but you (& ANC) are alianating people & intimidating them, even to emmigrate. Cmon guys, lets build & unite & heal this devided nation.
Sinudeity 9/4/2008 9:26:44 AM
With the state that the national defense force is in, these 452 IFP veterans, probably would have been able to stage a coup :/ Why does it feel like South Africa is boiling down to a civil war?! Is that the only way, we can correct the ANC injustices and mismanagement? If so, where do I sign up?!
LvH 9/4/2008 9:27:22 AM
I have often respected your comments and what you stand for, but I think you are brain dead if you believe comments made by VAVI and Malema were mere figures of speech. Perhaps you are the one who needs to engage your brain first. I support the ANC more than any other party, but the likes of Vavi and Malema are causing me to review my 2009 vote. Mr Camp: I only posted once.
Matrix 9/4/2008 9:27:30 AM
Not anymore, since ANCYL & COSATU promote criminal injustices. Where is a true leader of the values that Madiba fought for?
L van Heerden 9/4/2008 9:30:09 AM
It is not the ANC that threaten everyone. Let us get our facts together. It is individuals aligned the ANC who belong to separate parties like COSATU and ANCYL. These are autonomous and can speak their mind on any issue. So, while I do not condone their stupid comments, blame the right people. Mothlante has spoken out against Malema and he is the office bearer of the ANC.
suzie 9/4/2008 9:30:12 AM
Morena who do you think is funding it? Please let us now start again with the cliche of "third force" again
KS 9/4/2008 9:30:49 AM
Can anyone here imagine Bush, Obama, or McCain standing up and allowing their parties to say they will "kill for them"?!?!?! All this reference to violence by those in the public eye is causing our country to roll backwards...where will we be in 10 years if this crap continues???
MJZ 9/4/2008 9:33:14 AM
Mtshepana, I fully agree with your take but the kind of racist and irrelevant reaction such good articles always elicits from the white hecklers never cease to amaze me.The reason why the IFP is doing its usual rubbish is because of Buthelezi's fear of the Honourable Zuma stealing and eating away at his support base, because IFP always project the ANC as for Xhosa' only and here is a Zulu from rural areas, IFP stronghold, presiding over ANC, ALAA for Buthelezi his supporters eyes are opened much
Sinudeity 9/4/2008 9:36:44 AM
Anyone who stands in the way of having justice running its course. If Zuma is innocent, why is he so scared of his court trail? And if ANYONE interferes with the course of justice, I will pick up arms myself. And I will spread hate and violence against criminals, rapists and corrupt politicians. Against ANYONE who harms my brothers and sisters. And if ANYONE stands in my way, they better be prepared for the fight of their lives. Its time to solve the violence in SA with violence.
Rian 9/4/2008 9:38:35 AM
I agree with you in this day and age this sort of behavior is unacceptable. Please also mention how Zuma's supporters are doing exactly the same thing and how he is not speaking out against it.
JZ 9/4/2008 9:42:52 AM
Please can we just take all the idiots who threaten to kill/die for their leaders, put them all on an island somewhere (Robben Island should do nicely) and let them have a go at each other while the rest of us carry on trying to make a living and attend to the important things in life! Fine, kill each other but keep the rest of us out of it. Damn fools - too much testosterone sloshing around.
Karen 9/4/2008 9:45:50 AM
The writing is on the wall and has been for a while. We have been expecting it for decades, but so far it has not happened on a big national scale. It has however been brewing and the war cries are getting louder, The boeramag are ready and even though the ANC have attempted to disarm them, they have their stash. IFP have been insulted and sidelined by what is supposed to be a democracy, the Zulus are ready to go to war. This country will be a blood bath and victory will go to the one who is strongest - and I don't mean in numbers either. However by the time the winners come to claim their prize thre will be nothing left. It is inevitable the arrogant just keep goading the strongest and soon the beast will bite back. Watch out your time is nearly over and you have ruined your chances.
KS 9/4/2008 9:47:47 AM
Has JZ spoken out against them? If someone said they would kill for me, I would reprimand them and not some spokesperson! It was kill for Zuma...not ANC...So those who look up to JZ don't care what Mothlante says! Now, if JZ said he doesn't condone their behaviour and words of choice...then I would maybe respect him and the ANC more. But for now...never voting ANC again!
Len van Heerden 9/4/2008 9:50:40 AM
I am not advocating that what Buthelezi is doing is right, just that the IFP is not the first to appeal to violence. Let us admonish both equally.
Len van Heerden 9/4/2008 9:52:07 AM
The IFP was not funded by a third force, rather by the De Klerk government who hqd hoped to remain in power longer by creating a deadly deviation. It is not imagined, rather proven fact.
Nkateko 9/4/2008 9:52:09 AM
I do not see any difference to what the ANC and the Julius Malema/Zweli Vavi alliance is advocating. Maybe we should go back to history and learn what happened during Soshangane, Dingane and Cetshwayo. Are will going that route? This time it may not be spears but AK47's.
bongani ( The real one) 9/4/2008 9:52:27 AM
Hi Len , I am sure evryone see's it the same as me. These guys back the ANC president and they spew these threats to back him and he says nothing about it to keep he's barking dogs quiet. So to me that comes from the ANC and if they dont do anything about it they support it simple as that.
morena 9/4/2008 9:55:59 AM
spot on, nothing more nothing less
outtahere 9/4/2008 9:56:45 AM
oops, silly me its just a figure of speech! As for the author of this article, what a hypocrite! The side you oppose arms itself and you get "concerned" enough to write an article. The side you support makes threats to kill, and you remain silent. I'm happy to sit back and watch both sides kill as many of each other as they can, then we send the army in to mop up the leftovers, and decent, intelligent SA'cans can then get on with their lives in peace.
Craig 9/4/2008 10:04:27 AM
I can understand the fear that ANC members have for any militay force controlled by others, their navy is sinking, their airforce can't fly and the only time the army gets mentioned is when they rape little 12yr old Rwandan girls, the ANC knows damn well that the "freedom fighters" never fought a war and that SA was freed due to business and foreign pressure not , blowing teenage girls to bits. They are terrified of anybody or anything that may threaten their grip on power.
Shane 9/4/2008 10:05:17 AM
Mtshepana Tembe is clearly an ANC supporter and a blind one at that. It's this kind of diatribe that will ensure SA will always remain divisive, we preach tolerance yet know not how to practise it. The ANC believes that the "struggle" is over because they ousted the previous regime but little do they realise that was the easy part now comes the real work...governance, eliminating poverty, unemployment, nepotism, corruption and racism. Political tolerance is key to those outcomes ... try it!!!
Shane 9/4/2008 10:05:21 AM
Mtshepana Tembe is clearly an ANC supporter and a blind one at that. It's this kind of diatribe that will ensure SA will always remain divisive, we preach tolerance yet know not how to practise it. The ANC believes that the "struggle" is over because they ousted the previous regime but little do they realise that was the easy part now comes the real work...governance, eliminating poverty, unemployment, nepotism, corruption and racism. Political tolerance is key to those outcomes ... try it!!!
VG 9/4/2008 10:06:18 AM
While I whileheartedly condemn Malema/Vavi's statements, to compare their verbal threats with an instance where people were actually engaged in military training is v. disingenuous.Why misrepresent the situation to justify your position? In addition, as Len points out, no office bearer of the ANC has made statements about killing anyone.
Thabo Z 9/4/2008 10:09:07 AM
Chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi is a great leader who only has the best interests of the people of South Africa. He is working hard to change things for all of us. If he succeeds we will all enjoy the fruits of his labour.
Point Blank 9/4/2008 10:09:11 AM
Oh please, Libembe and MJZ there is simply no hope for you it's too late. You are so brainwashed into thinking that the ANC of yesteryear is the same ANC today, the values that they built the ANC on are GONE! You stand up and threaten to kill people and then wonder why people are preparing for that day and you don't see it? Damn you guys are so blind!
dmd 9/4/2008 10:10:00 AM
Was there actual evidence of this illegal military training? Perhaps this is just a nice way for the ANC to reduce the number of opposition votes? Take out a few IFP votes, and scare the rest into not voting, ala Zim! Karen I agree with you, this country, just like the rest of Africa, will have civil war, but ours will be the worst seen. You think there was genocide before? I doubt there will be a single white person left standing.
Point Blank 9/4/2008 10:11:28 AM
Well said, the problem with ANC loyalists is they just do not see it that way, they have long ignored the fact that the ANC have gone from looking after the country to looking after themselves and everyone in this country are sick of it, it's time.
Chantelle 9/4/2008 10:11:41 AM
I like Mangosotho Buthelezi! I admire him for what he is doing for his people,his consistency! I voted IFP last election and I will vote so again. ANC doesn't like him and they proved it when they wanted to change the Buthelezi streetname in KZN! I thought they only change so-called apartheid names??? And yes, I know they are not going to do it for now, but still...
D 9/4/2008 10:12:09 AM
Let them all kill each other. It's happened in other countries; bound to happen here. Then maybe people will also see that apartheid can't be blamed anymore.
Point Blank 9/4/2008 10:15:55 AM
No they may not have uttered it but they haven't exactely condemned it in the strongest possible way, and by the way Malema represents the ANC.. the youth of the ANC.
Libembe 9/4/2008 10:17:29 AM
One can never compare those attempting a coup de' etat with remnants and delinquents like Vavi and Malema. Those two are just spewing idle threats whilst the other grp should face high treason charges immediately just like the Boeremag. Malema will never go to war and leave his loot as for Vavi, the least said about bhim the better.
thomas 9/4/2008 10:19:08 AM
It is bitter to mention or point out what is wrong with who, when or where. As far as I know being a wide reader as well. Out of all independent African countries there is always a civil war after indepenence. Countries like Somalia etc look like as they are ruled by stupid people, unfortuntaley it is not true. We are following suit as well. Not matter who is doing what, the end will be a civil war like it or not. TM
viva justice 9/4/2008 10:20:46 AM
I will also kill for justice and order in this lawless land! If jou fat Mamela thin we will sit look on as you take our freedom and democracy away think again! You kill because of Zuma and I will "KILL" buddy, let the law takeits coarse. I apartheid you said the courts were against you now you say the same even though most of the judges fought against apartheid! get lost
xyz 9/4/2008 10:20:58 AM
your comments can be compared to malema. You are the white knight of the ANC.
Len van Heerden 9/4/2008 10:21:01 AM
Jacob Zuma is the leader of the ANC, and not the ANC. His failure to react to Malema and Vavi should surely be a reflection of the character of the man. Members of the ANC include Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki and I doubt if you could accuse them of wanting to kill for Zuma.
Thembalabantubonke 9/4/2008 10:23:25 AM
Predictable comments which add very little to the debate. You and your ilk always have something negative to say about Africa despite world wars and wars being perpetuated by the west killing more people. Why not move to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Philipines, Iraq, etc is you feel the way you do about Africa? Leave already, otherwise contribute to the debate as a South African rather than some hypocritical foreigner
Martin 9/4/2008 10:25:32 AM
They never condemned it either.
KAC 9/4/2008 10:27:59 AM
when we have not so young anc youths shouting to kill and eliminate. Your masters did nothing so why condemn IFP. Horses for course mate, if you want to dish it out you need to be prepare for the consequences.
L van Heerden 9/4/2008 10:30:20 AM
I have to admit that after I read Craig's contribution, I might be tempted to support the likes of Malema and Vavi. Wish such vile hatred, I can understand why they believe killing, rather than dialogue is the best solution. Do not agree, but Craig might just be the person to make me understand their point.
SeanO 9/4/2008 10:32:30 AM
When ex Prez Clinton says "i support Obama" he doesn't say, "i'll kill for Obama"- maybe just a different level of intellect? Maybe SA is preparing to reveal it's true colours to the first world, by showing that it is just another savage African country whose leaders have no REAL understading of democracy. If you wish to achieve something, just "kill" anyone in your way - Hello Africa! IFP just preparing to defend itself against young thugs???
L van Heerden 9/4/2008 10:32:36 AM
Thank you
Karen 9/4/2008 10:35:13 AM
You say that Zuma is the leader of the ANC and is not the ANC. I'm afraid you are wrong. The leader of group is elected by the group to represent the group - in this case a political party (or joke to most of us). He is what the rest of party would like to have represent them. He is the one they have declared epitomises the ANC. You cannot align yourself to a party but reject the leader, the leader is the party. If you are ANC you are a Zuma supporter like it or not that is what you are choosing.
L 9/4/2008 10:35:39 AM
... for his people, Chantelle? I am curious. I am not questioning your vote, but am interested in what he is doing for his people and who are his people?
tshepo 9/4/2008 10:36:48 AM
your comments just made my day. I love this site.
VG 9/4/2008 10:38:46 AM
What rock are you hiding under? Motlanthe (ANC Deputy President) has stated several times that this behaviour is unacceptable.In fact, the past few ANC meetings have discussed this exact issue. Malema has even attacked Motlanthe ! You may dislike the ANC, but do not distort the facts to suit your agenda. Good grief!
dmd 9/4/2008 10:40:10 AM
I'm trying idiot, trust me. People like you use big words and think you have the whole political argument down. Always telling us to contribute and be positive, but as a white, if I contribute, I'm told I'm not wanted here anyway. Open your eyes, just like any african country where independance was won, we will have war. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly, every one wants a piece, and that's usually by force.
VG 9/4/2008 10:43:16 AM
Bush, Obama and McCain may not allow anyone to declare that they would kill for them, but the American public seems to have no problem with killing people in foreign lands in pursuit of "WMD"
vivajustice 9/4/2008 10:46:22 AM
I must say sorry for my little outburst. All i am saying is that i love our country and i will fight till deat to defend it against all threats, foreighn AND DOMESTIC!!!!! I want the Mamela to realize that half of his buddys are full of it and when we protect our land half of those big talking windbags will run for the hills because we (pink black and yellow)will be fighting with zeal!
scorpion 9/4/2008 10:46:29 AM
They bombed innocent people but never even killed one SADF soldier yet they have mkhonto we sizwe, for what?the ANC of today will never match any political party in the country.No other political party in the country has a leader who is fighting a court case except the ANC.They are their own enemies.
Gary 9/4/2008 10:46:50 AM
The ANC has always been the common denominator in all political violence in SA. It was always the ANC formenting violence against other parties in Black areas whether it was the IFP, UDM,PAC, AZAPO etc and Black DA suporters have also been murdered. Why was the ANC always invlved in all violence. Leave the IFP alone Mtshepana Tembe, and realize your organization, the ANC is responsible for everything that is wrong with this country!
scorpion 9/4/2008 10:52:15 AM
What is the so called umkhonto we sizwe doing everytime zuma appears in court wearing their para military uniform who finance them who allows them to wear that uniform.is this not intimidation that the ance has its own orivate army and no one is saying anything about them
BSG 9/4/2008 10:54:56 AM
Looking at your surname, I can almost tell that you are from KZN and you might have just like me also experienced the violence between the two political parties. Tembe, I hope our leaders in KZN will sit down and talk in order to prevent the bloodshedding in our beautiful province. I think the time for KZN people to carry 2 political membership cards inorder to avoid being killed is over. I live in an IFP dominated area where no other political party is allowed to put up a poster.
Hein 9/4/2008 10:55:04 AM
Where is he? I suppose he is on a break, not at the office? LOL
John Camp 9/4/2008 10:56:01 AM
Your emotions are running away with you. I presume you were referring to being diabetic with your rant about diabet idiot? Your statement falls flat bro, instead of hurling insult you should really learn to back up insults with truth.
xyz 9/4/2008 11:02:27 AM
why dont you take a break from commenting. It seems that you are on this column day and night. do you do any work for a living? Your comments are ludicrous.
fern 9/4/2008 11:02:37 AM
ppl have been saying for over a decade now that civil war will ravage this country - u sound like an expat - stay where u are - u are usless to sa now. p.s. we are in the midst a massive investment boom despite world economies and banks in the 1st world collapsing. chew on that.
critical thinker 9/4/2008 11:07:43 AM
The "military" factor has been silent for a while in SA , but it has been part of the soul of the country even before the Dutch settled at the Cape. The last 14 non military years is a blip compared to the years of military rule, the pendulum will swing back, military rule runs the rest of Africa, a reflection of an earlier developmental stage in Africa when compared to first world order.
Hendrik 9/4/2008 11:08:36 AM
Maybe the democracy negotiated at CODESA is not what nation wanted. The whites gave the YES vote for a new dispensation. Was the Zulu people consulted or were they steamrolled by tha ANC? Maybe the Zulus wanted there own Volkstaat, free from the Xhosa's. Remember all blacks was in one camp against the apartheid regime. They did not look for the best solution for themselfs. Maybe they want to use Art 235 to covern themselfs.
MJZ 9/4/2008 11:15:18 AM
Thembalabantubonke, Thank you and cadi questio!
GWW 9/4/2008 11:21:26 AM
452 people training are not enough to invade a province - more like defend a homestead. I believe that 95% of SA's population are decent and will not become involved in a civil war or kill for Zuma. The ANC are pointing burnt fingures at the IFP here and I hope sane heads prevail
Charlie 9/4/2008 11:25:11 AM
If Zuma is the leader of the ANC why doesnt he act like one and keep he's lapdogs on a leash?? Or does he maybe support them ?
Matrix 9/4/2008 11:34:48 AM
In KZN by rplacing the historical valued names with criminal (mass murderer & rapist) names in name of the ANC against the wishes of the local people? Sorry, but you also sound a bit hypocritical. We dont live abroad. We want to defend our own & cannot do much for other countries. Just like Zim, they must handle their own problems. We may help, but it is not in our hands. SA IS!!!!
Matrix 9/4/2008 11:37:50 AM
Just give me time to get my family away to a safe place. I am sure there are many that feel the same way, although very few have the guts. Wonder how many commentators on this forum is prepared to do the same?
Darkiebla 9/4/2008 11:38:11 AM
why every time when one raise an issue that has nothing to do with ANC or Malema or Government or JZ. Then comes this "we know it all" people and tell us about their fear. If u have issues with black people then we are sorry there is nothing we can help u with.
IJM 9/4/2008 12:01:14 PM
Instead of telling "unpatriotic" people to leave the country, and creating a "brain drain". Maybe the gov should be listening to these peoples concerns and worries and do something about it. they should be asking "what can we do to make these people more patriotic?". People wont moan for nothing, there must be something wrong.
proud to be white 9/4/2008 12:18:38 PM
Agree with both of you I too will take up arms if my family is threatened or my country,its time us as south africans both black and white stand up for ourselfes against criminal orginizations like the ANCYL and CUSATO,they are holding this country to ransom by threatening too kill anyone who doesnt agree with them,I wonder what they will do when those people who they threaten,starts too fight back,probably run like the cowards that they are
Gino 9/4/2008 12:20:35 PM
Its not about black or white, it is about what these people can/could have done to give the poor a better life. They might have made things better, but not as good as it should be. We should put our racial differences aside and start thinking about the future of our children. Do you want your kids to suffer? How many generations will it cost for us to see?
VG 9/4/2008 12:38:35 PM
Well according to your logic, : "the leader of the (country)is elected by the (country) to represent the (country).He is what the rest of (country)would like to have represent them". Therefore, the fact that the leader of the country is (an) ANC member, must mean that all of South Africa supports the ANC! Love it!

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