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Poor Management
07/10/2008 09:01
Sven, this is the result of poor decision making and lack of insight that will still haunt us for years to come. - Pangea |
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ANC at play
07/10/2008 09:01
The ANC has a lot to answer for. I am glad you have highlighted this FACT! I am certain that the regime will blame Apartheid for the lack of teachers etc. but I am afraid that excuse doesn't hold water any longer. The ANC must also answer to 'LIBERATION BEFORE EDUCATION'! - xp |
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Who wants to be a teacher these days?
07/10/2008 09:02
My mom has been a teacher for over 30 years and now wishes she could do anything else. Her class consists of 37 badly behaved pupils (not even a big class compared to others) and she gets paid what my salary started on. Even if they had the colleges, they'd have to do a lot more to encourage people to become teachers, government really needs to sort themselves out. - Chris |
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Lack Of Foresight In the ANC- Is The Answer
07/10/2008 09:09
Clearly there's a lack of foresight within the ANC so called collective, whatever that means. The unfortunate thing about this is that ordinary people like you and I have to pay for the stupid mistakes done by the COMRADES. They are gambling with our lives. I was at University, and was indeed offered an opportunity to study nursing but refused because I had other options and nursing was not my call. Let?s vote these guys out; they are a liability to society. - Sipho |
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Close the divide
07/10/2008 09:10
There is a great chasm between theory and reality. This article proves that. We are not a facing the 'products of our success', but merely the repercussions of poorly thought out solutions. No matter how well intended. - Tim |
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Er
07/10/2008 09:17
..didn't you just say that they were closed down? Not sure what your point is here. "to become a caring and proficient nurse does not require academic achievement". Um, I'd rather have my nurse well qualified, thank you. same with a maths/science teacher.We have a shortage because the salaries are terrible, not necessarily a result of lack of facilities. - VG |
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More teachers
07/10/2008 09:18
Another blunder of the know-it-all intellectual ANC regime under the recalled previous president.Teachers and nurses are also paid peanuts, even after the recent teacher salary adjustment. All the old black teacher colleges have been abandoned, and we are still toying around with OBE after Curriculum 2005 and such other simiar mindless experiments..No wonder our matric pupils can hardly write a decent essay! - IandI |
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Mbeki's goverment started this
07/10/2008 09:19
This could have been avoided if Mbeki and his cabinet were listening.He distroyed many history we had.The merging of universities and technicons was a biggest blunder. - kgauzen |
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Stop burning down EVERYTHING when you idiots are not happy!
07/10/2008 09:20
There was a great schooling system in place, with high standards, and firstly they dropped the standards so the "less fortunate" can pass. TOO LAZY TO LEARN.. TO LAZY TO WORK.. WANT EVERYTHING HANDED ON A SILVER PLATTER.... Got to love Africa and its gullibility! HECK, the new ANC president does not even have Gr.6. WONDERFUL example set!! Keep up the GREAT work ANC. - Neil |
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The answer to the nurses is...
07/10/2008 09:23
Privatised - There are private nursing "schools" who take on independent students, just like a college. The "school" is closely monitored by government bodies to ensure the correct standards & financial practice is followed. The "educators" seem to be mostly retired nurses. Occasionally, the govt bodies request bulk skills improvement in a specific area & send students. The "school" is subsidised, but mostly rely on their on income generated from normal students. - sarah |
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HDI!?
07/10/2008 09:25
Two people I know are studing to become a dr's and aparently one of the requirements to study for dr degree is that whites must have 80% average, coloureds & indians 70% and blacks 60%. I was shocked. Do they realise that these students will one day have human lifes in their hands! - Lee |
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Is it proof??
07/10/2008 09:27
Is this not just another example that forms part of what the west calls "people from Africa are not capable to sufficiently rule any country!!" I would love to become a teacher, unfortunately apart from the problem mentioned by the author, I'm also a white male!!! ...which means I'll go and do some construction work overseas to save money... - resistANC |
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Education and the liberation movements
07/10/2008 09:29
You all seem to miss the point, the more uneducated people the easier to manipulate the whole herd. This is just about power for the top blokes (the old commie principle), for this you must just look at all the peoples that were "liberated" world wide - what a cesspool they made of the greatest potential we have, our children, and they will justify it with political gibberish - shame on you ANC. - ChrisR |
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Incompetent Medling
07/10/2008 09:30
Again, the ANC doing something WITHOUT any foresight. WHY oh WHY, do we, the people, keep paying for government mistakes?! Education is the KEY! - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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@kgauzen
07/10/2008 09:32
Here we go - finally another excuse has replaced the usual "it's apartheids fault", "it was Mbeki and his cabinet's fault". I am sorry but all decisions HAVE to be approved by parliament who consists of more than 60% ANC members. So, it was the ANC and not Mbeki. The "ANC is a party not a person" saying only counts when it suits U!? - Lee |
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do not care
07/10/2008 09:32
I graduated in 2003 with a teaching diploma, the last year in which it was offered. It then switched to a degree. Of the 30 people with whom i started in my first year, 5 of us managed to graduate at the end of 4 years. So of my year, in my field of study, the country only got 5 teachers and today i know that 1 of those 5 are still teaching. As said in the letter, this is a vocation, not a job. People get paid based on performance and ability in a job. Teachers don't... who would choose that? - ex teacher |
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All part of the master plan!
07/10/2008 09:32
If the government can keep the bulk of its voters uneducated, they can stay in power, and steal money for eternity. If most people could actually READ in the papers (or even afford a newspaper) they would see how OUR tax money is being wasted. Anyhow, our so-called government does not think education is important. Our current (and next) president does not even HAVE an educatiob! So WHY should govt. worry about this. Spending money on teachers is not as lucritive as spending money on submarines and jets - Juan |
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Conversation bewteen ANC leaders
07/10/2008 09:34
Welcome to the brilliant forward thinkers of the ANC!....."Eish! Now that we are rich and fat....we can finally,maybe,start thinking of those poor idiots that voted us in...hahahaha...I can't believe they really thought we would build up this nation and play by the rules....anyway....what the hell is education...nurses, ha, only out of my cake....hahaha....good 1....." - Anti Zuma : wash away corruption |
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Also, look at these "professions" & support from Gov.
07/10/2008 09:34
Poor working conditions, long hours, little remuneration, poor commitment & support from Gov officials, low moral, poor security & they feel threatend by criminal elements (even from patients), and much more. Put yourself in their shoes, then decide whether you would accept such conditions. Watch the exam results this year with new curriculum. Visit any public hospital & see for yourself. The facts speak for themselves. Gov (ANC) not committed & in denial. Their supporters got what they voted for - Matrix |
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@VG
07/10/2008 09:34
My point VG, is that the infrastructure is still there, the buildings, lecture halls and the sports facilities. What are they being used for now? clearly not for the purpose they were built. - Sven Gohre |
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Blame it on the moon
07/10/2008 09:35
Strange how Mbeki is to blame for everything and not the ANC as a whole, the last time i checked the NEC was the decision making body for the ANC on greater issues, and I am very sure they are directly responsible for 1) the electricity crisis in SA 2) the stance that was taken on HIV, 3) the closing of faculties as mentioned in this article.... heck the list is endless... mindless buch of bloody idiots!!!! - e=mc2 |
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kgauzen - NOT mbeki
07/10/2008 09:35
The ANC, please note that MANTU is still there, and she's been one of the BIG embarrassments for them. INCOMPETENT government officials, should be dragged into the streets, and thrown with vegetables. But then again, Zuma isnt a big supporter of education. The man has primary school, barely. - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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Salary
07/10/2008 09:37
I agree with VG - my mother is a nurse (and just assuage some of the paranoia,she is incredibly academically capable). The problem is the disturbingly low salaries for these professionals, which discourages anybody from training to be a nurse, regardless of what facilities are available. PS I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of what vocation means, or perhaps its just that you are excited by a new discovery? - Gabi |
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I fully agree
07/10/2008 09:38
Nurses are of terrible standard these days, even in private hospitals which can be attributed to greed by the private health care sectors. But in the public sector its about the same.We would get better nurses&teachers if we didn't allow for poor candidates to pass their courses.But in the new South Africa nobody is allowed to tell a candidate he has failed because that's racism or something.The govt dug its own hole here.Pass only the educated people!They are teaching the leaders of tomorrow! - M |
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@Lee
07/10/2008 09:39
Any policy based on race is racist in my book. The ANC approves these kinds of policies and fool the uneducated masses into believing this is a way to 'right' the wrongs of the past. All they end up doing is creating more division in our society based upon the race-related policies that they employ (i.e. BEE, Affirmative Action, different graduation requirements for different races, share schemes for only certain ethnic groups of the population). - ShRoOm |
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Education is counterrevolutionary
07/10/2008 09:42
Education is counterrevolutionary! Who would vote for the ANC if people all became educated and realized that 15 years after they promised them houses and jobs where they can loaf all day and big cars etc didn't happen. Only the uneducated still don't realize this. They are following the American model, keep the people stupid and subdued. - M |
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Spot on ChrisR
07/10/2008 09:43
The ANC's communist philosophy as seen in the endorsement of the Mbeki policies toards Health and Education were in my opinion aimed at "eliminating" the weak and poor masses and getting rid of anyone with an ability to think so they and their pals could have all the spoils. Today's education is focused on ensuring kids do not learn to think for themselves. Parents it is up to you in the home to teach your children to think for themselves and not swallow ANY propaganda, white or black. - GailC |
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Before 2000....
07/10/2008 09:43
We had Nurses and Educators that were regarded as the best in the world, we had the cream of the crop to choose from, and this was still for a low salary, but as Sven said, it was a "vocation". A University offers a good way of developing your thinking capabilities, but to become a caring, unselfish, respectful person the best place was inhouse training which these Training Colleges offered. FU VG, you were never in a hospital lately. What about parents, how should they feel about bad Educators.p - Bradley |
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@sarah, True, but only previously advantaged-->
07/10/2008 09:46
Schools & institutions are closely scrutinised & financialy exploited to pay for the previously disadvantaged. The balance is wrong! Non-whities dont pay their fair share, which means there is less for the other groups. In NZ after accepting citizenship, free (quality) medical & free schooling (no exorbitant school fees). Where would you choose, given the choice? Then they say we have a democracy, by the people for the people. No, only for self enrichment of incompetent party officials. - Matrix |
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incorporated into university
07/10/2008 09:50
the johannesburg college of education was incorporated into Wits university. it was not closed. it remains on the smae campus etc. it just became aone of the university's faculties. - ex teacher |
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You forgot
07/10/2008 09:51
Being a member of the ANC and being black makes you educated for anything. I vote bring back IQ testing - We all know why it has been scrapped. EXPOSURE!! SA is operating at the level of the lowest common denominator. And so is our future president. Standard 8. Oh sorry grade 10 sounds just that little bit higher. - Tsotsi |
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BRING BACK THE TRAINING COLLEGES
07/10/2008 09:51
Bringing back the training colleges is the only way 'HEALTH AND EDUCATION'will be placed back on the map. Go back into the files of the times when these colleges were in operation - Nurses were Nurses and Teachers were Teachers, that is the only way to GO - Liz |
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SIMPLE TRUTH
07/10/2008 09:51
Investing in education does not have the lucrative kickbacks as investing in say.. uh.. BILLION RAND military toys! - Juan |
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Sven
07/10/2008 09:51
You're right, the infrastructure may still be there, but why is that an issue? I personally have no problem with a policy that syas that nurses and teachers should have degrees not vocational training. I think the issue is that we are losing these people to a)richer countries and b) better paying sectors of the economy.I don't think re-opening these schools would solve the problem. - VG |
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To Loyal ANC supporters
07/10/2008 09:53
I HOPE your eyes start opening to the state of disrepair that the government has been leading the country into over the past couple of years. Screw teacher salaries, the Travelgate MP's need your monies more. Its NOT good enough that these idiots get voted out. They NEED to be punished. STOP MAKING EXCUSES (Apartheid, Mbeki, 3rd force etc) TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! NOW! - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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@kgauzen
07/10/2008 09:55
Blame Mbeki all you want - the truth is the ANC have been in power for 14 years. In that time they have only managed one thing of note... an increase in shower sales (thanks to Zuma). There is still widespread poverty, HIV/AIDS crisis, an increase in crime and, most importantly, masses on uneducated twits that keep voting for these clowns! - ShRoOm |
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@Sven, Infrastructure will decay.
07/10/2008 09:56
One close to my business. Used by vagrants / poor / destitude / criminals and victems of xenophobia. Gov "mothballed" most of these buildings. Wasted potential & opportunities. Yet we still paying taxes on these facilities. TO get them running again will also take al lot of money to repair / restores them to previous level of proficiancy. - Matrix |
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No shortage - Unemployed teacher
07/10/2008 09:56
Is there really a teacher shortage? Does this shortage exist in rural areas only where no one wants to go to. Looking at the job ads in CT, there doesnt seem to be much vacancies, so this shortage is overdone IMHO. - @miles |
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@lee
07/10/2008 09:58
Of course the other thing is that one can not be asked to repeat because that is against your human rights! MY BIL was telling me yesterday that he has 13 students in his class of whom 6 have never been seen. Fees for course are R40,000 for the year. Amongst other 7 some pitch for 15 mins and then leave and they ALL demand that they get pass Certificates. These then get BEE jobs and keep those PDA's who have worked from finding work here so real skills are lost to overseas. - GailC |
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Teachers and nurses, doctors and pilots
07/10/2008 10:04
Global demand for these skills is a big drain on our capacity, but local job satisfaction is very low - poor pay, bad administration, over-loads in terms of OBE/LO, politics, transformation, poor training and a general lack of leadership. No wonder private schools are growing. - pete |
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Nursing
07/10/2008 10:06
My wife is a registered nurse, at a private hospital. She decided 2 years ago that the profession simply pays too little, and she started studying in an administration career. Her salary as a normal secretary will in year one be the same as nursing with 5 years experience, not to mention getting rid of ridiculous working hours at times. - Johan |
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Well I can't give you an exact timeline
07/10/2008 10:12
But firstly they were not ALL shutdown. Remember that the ANC government inherited a sitution where there had been duplication of resources - colleges for Indian teachers, Black teachers, White teachers etc. So that was rationalised. Secondly as I have a good friend who has worked at one such institution, near Durban, for some years I can assure you that such colleges are open and operating and have been for some time. - Big Bad Bob |
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Where have all the Teachers Gone!
07/10/2008 10:18
10 points for the author.Teachers are a valuable commodity and to use the profession for Political Rallying as the ANC has done(to rally in the votes of the uneducated as usual) is just typical of a syndrome of poor intellect.Look around the world and see what a high profile teaching is - that explains why S.A. is where it is today with poor education - NOTE -POOR EDUCATION - made by POORLY EDUCATED decision Makers!THE GOVERNMENT- Self enrichment schemes owned by governemnt officials -says it all - Charles Everett |
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More Teachers
07/10/2008 10:24
Two points:
(1) The comment made by ChrisR in respect of keeping the masses uneducated is spot on, this way the elite can manipulate the masses as they wish. The measure of the decline in standards clearly shows this;
2) The comment by Matrix in respect of free education and medical in NZ: Sadly nothing in life is free, these "free" costs are paid for out of tax revenues, the only (likely) difference being the more efficient use of the tax dollar, and that is debatable as well.
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Guys, time for a wake-up
07/10/2008 10:24
One presumes there are ANC supporters reading these letters. Please guys, can you see what a horrible mess the ANC has been making of governing SA? This is NOT racist - simply a comment on massively declining standards, incompetence and corruption. Look at the Land Bank corruption, the Home Affairs mess, the 11 out of 13 municipalities that cannot receive an unqualified audit, the arms deal etc etc. Can you honestly vote for a party that makes such an awful mess and just benefits themselves? - wazzup |
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I have made peace with the ANC incompetence
07/10/2008 10:28
This wont change until this place is down and out as there supporters wil keep on voting for them with blindness. I have started to make provision for my child to go to private school , private varsity , Private hospitals everything , Yes I do pay tax as well but I wil not let my child be held back in anyway beacuse of the ANC , Its their own peopel who suffers the most not mine , If you that stupid you must suffer had enough of them !! - charlie |
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Poor Pay
07/10/2008 10:31
My wife is a teacher. With badly behaving children of today, it's a wonder that people would want to go into a teaching position.
The pay is not worth the effort of letting kids WALK OVER YOU. Teachers don't have the authority to do anything about naughty children.
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It turns out
07/10/2008 10:31
That in several cases teachers training colleges were incorporated into universities. IE Edgewood in Pinetown is now part of the university of KZN - although it retains it's original campus. It's not the case that all of these insitutions were simply shut down with no alternative arrangements being made. And in April this year Naledi Pandoor announced that the government was looking at opening teachers training colleges - mainly for primary school teachers in rural areas. - Big Bad Bob |
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More teachers...more payment
07/10/2008 10:31
I personally think the reason why people are shying away from teachning and other related fields such as nursing and policing is the slaries leave much to be desired. As much as we say that we need more techers let's spare a thought for the money they earn. Teachers are the builders of our society but also the lowest paid. people will be keen to join teaching as long as the salary thing come right. - Thokozani |
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Nurses do not require incredible academic achievements???
07/10/2008 10:32
my health and well being is very important to me and i would want a nurse with 'incredible' academic achievement to look after me should I get sick/hospitalised. If teachers and nurses were paid well by .gov maybe there wouldn't be any shortage. And one other thing, an 'educator' with a university degree would make a much better math/science tutor... - theDriver |
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Sven - you are crying for nothing
07/10/2008 10:37
Quick to forget, are we not? There was a massive out pour of daft teachers from those colleges. The colleges were nothing but a breeding ground for losers who wanted an easy way into the employment industry. Educators who produce future leaders and nurses who work with people?s lifes should be of an outstanding quality not what the apartheid government used to dispatch to black communities. - Cooler box |
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KNew Govment to soilve edukation problims
07/10/2008 10:44
I must say that beecourse of the ANC govment I was able to hav a good edukation and they maid the decison beecourse they no the best future four all off us.Hour edukation is one of the best in the whirld so I think they should keep things as is. - Thabo Z |
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@Johan
07/10/2008 10:45
Exactly. Plain greed by the private hospital groups. I used to work for one of them and I'm glad I don't anymore. They didn't care about patients or quality, only about money and how to avoid being sued. If they paid the nurses more, the good nurses wouldn't be poached by overseas hospitals. Its so easy these days for a country like AUS/ENG to poach staff. - M |
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teachers?
07/10/2008 10:48
who wants to be a teacher nowadays? the teaching career is practically fading into thin air. and the nurses- every nurse that i have ever come across is either rude, bossy, lazy, and rough. they shout at you- order you around even though you are sick and worn out. only a few actually care about the patients' wellbeing...maybe they should change their attitude!!!!!! - aviwe |
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Teachers
07/10/2008 10:49
Completed my teachers training(FET) with a dist. at Unisa, 2006 - applied for several positions in the Centurion area and gave my name to recruitment agencies. Am still waiting for somebody to contact me. Not sure if it is my skincolour because it can't be my results, I also have other degrees (also honours) Although I am permanently employed in the private sector and well paid I thought I could make a difference to peoples lives if I become a teacher. How wrong I were! Maybe there's no shortage! - Am I the wrong colour |
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Overzealous Transformation
07/10/2008 10:55
When the ANC came to power they wanted to undo anything that was created by apartheid, without actually providing alternatives. Now we are in this rut. Its the same with the school system, look what is happening with our kids in school now. We were dondered(Afrikaans???) and we came out fine. Lesson, change for the sake of change is not a good thing. - Tebzano |
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@Big Bad Bob
07/10/2008 10:57
Well if there are any still open it certainly doesn't show.There is far more quality still leaving the profession (eg.overseas job offers) then what there is joining it currently,creating our current skills vacuum.Perhaps you may be so kind as to name a few of the institutions that weren't "mothballed" as Matrix so aptly put it (if what you say is true). - The Truth |
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comment
07/10/2008 10:59
Instead of spending so much of our tax payers money on name-changers, what about using that money for the training of teachers and nurses? So much more useful then stupid names, that some of us cannot pronounce, anyway. - carol |
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Thabo Z - Thanks
07/10/2008 11:00
Hehe, enjoyed your post :) - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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@ Thabo Z
07/10/2008 11:02
HA HA!
Judging from this and your previous comments on here...I get the feeling you're a real joker!
I can only hope that is the case and your spelling is not a reflection of your 'edukation', just as I hope other comments of yours, e.g. regarding Robert Mugabe's great leadership skills, were jokes! - dh |
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Gabi
07/10/2008 11:08
No need to get bitchy, the writer was just thinking of the uneducated (due to our ever decreasing standard of education under the ANC goverment). - Fred |
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@Thabo Z
07/10/2008 11:10
I hope you are being sarcastic and just trying to incite emotions/comments. If not, you prove the point trying to be made. - Lee |
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@aviwe
07/10/2008 11:14
Maybe it's your attitude that's making the nurse the way u decribe them. I was in hospital recently & got good and friendly service from the ward nurses. The theatre nurses is another story. - Lee |
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teacher shortage
07/10/2008 11:18
As a South African teacher teaching in an overseas country, I can tell you that one of the reasons that there are not enough teachers in South Africa is that the current government teachers salary is not enough for a person to live off. We deal with children who have no morals and who fail to appreciate the amount of work that has been done to allow them to go to school and have the opportunity to get a matric qualification. In other country's we are paid better and are given respect and support. - robs |
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educaton are improveing
07/10/2008 11:21
I are think that educaton have improve sins ANC cum to power. Just look at the statisticks - more black teachears than eva beefore. I too benefit from this good educaton. - siswe |
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@The Truth
07/10/2008 11:24
You are conflating two seperate issues. The fact that these institutions are open does not mean that the new graduates won't leave for overseas postings or for private institutions. I've named one such instution already (Edgewood). I'm sure you will agree that it is a problem when people make emphatic claims with no substantiation at all. So over to you, Matrix and Swen. Let's see the prosecution prove their charge. - Big Bad Bob |
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Tebzano that is so very well said../
07/10/2008 11:25
it is the same with street name changes, most of the changes are not even updated on electronic maps (GPS). The anc must understand that they need to follow through the changes to iron out any difficulties on the part of the users. Name changes should also reflect diversity that SA is not just anc "heros", as the freedom charter clearly states, that SA belongs to all those who live in it, - Vicky |
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@Aviwe and Lee
07/10/2008 11:27
Nurses are not all trained in the same institution nor work for the same employers. In most private hospitals the bulk of the ward nursing staff will be hired from agencies. Netcare have their own training school, so not all nurses will have passed through government institutions. Theater staff might well be selected by the surgeon. - Big Bad Bob |
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Bradley
07/10/2008 11:30
The best place to learn how to become a "respectful, caring" individual is at home - something you clearly missed out on. - VG |
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Sinudeity
07/10/2008 11:32
.."screw teachers salaries...travelgate MP's need the money more" - I don't see DA MP's taking any pay cuts! - VG |
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SA - firmly on the trajectory to Third World oblivion
07/10/2008 11:42
Failed teacher & nursing training facilities/dysfunctional artisan training (SETAS)/Eskom stuff up/inflexible labour market/chaotic driver's licence renewal process - to name but a few....a long litany of failure on the part of our Third World backward looking African mentality Banana Republic country. I'm just waiting to see if they'll manage to stuff up the 2010 World Cup....ha ha ha ha - Cynical |
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VG - DA Salaries
07/10/2008 11:44
You are right. Politicians should work for Free. In a perfect world, politicians ONLY have the best for their country in mind. My point is CORRUPTION is WASTING away resources, that could have been spent on poverty/education. Like the Landbank, who lost 800 MILLION, to one SHADY soccer-club owner. - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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@VG
07/10/2008 11:44
"I don't see DA MP's taking any pay cuts!" We don't mind paying those that actually work for the people. Too bad you are blinded by ANC propaganda... - ShRoOm |
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Not every profession requires a degree, nurses
07/10/2008 11:46
need vocational training and clear knowledge of medical terms, as the nurse doesn't prescribe or diagnose patients,the Dr does. Degree is just theory so what good is this qualification to someone who has to do physical work as is the case with nurses? - Vicky |
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VG
07/10/2008 11:48
Why should any MP's take pay cuts, just cut out all the corrupt ANC MP's and millions would be avaliable for education and health. But no what do we do, slap them on the hand and say what a good job they have done. They are all criminals and need to be kicked out of parliment. - Fred |
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@Cynical
07/10/2008 11:49
"I'm just waiting to see if they'll manage to stuff up the 2010 World Cup." Why wait? It is ALREADY 'stuffed up' they are just too stupid to realise it. The transport problems will not be solved by 2010 - fact. The crime will not be solved by 2010 - fact. But perhaps if they burn the stadiums down it will make them forget the failure afterwords? - ShRoOm |
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@robs
07/10/2008 11:51
You are soooo right. I have taught for over 20 years and you should see the pension I get now. But I'm glad to be retired now and teaching extra lessons from home. BTW I was a teacher's training college product and was certainly NOT a loser as somebody mentioned. The "new" OBE systems sucks for teachers. Too much paper work and not enough time to teach the large classes. - Jo |
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@Vernon Hatley, Refer SARB tax rates then NZ PAYE rates.
07/10/2008 11:56
Their rates are MUCH lower, so they get less from more people, no tax avoidance & all contribute. Efficiecy? compared to RSA, in my view, they are MUCH more efficient. - Matrix |
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Fred agreed, also if the anc was not
07/10/2008 11:57
spending on frivolous things such as funding the King and his harem, some resources could be recovered from these pointless projects and be invested on the youth's education etc. I don't see why should a king's upkeep be imposed on the rest of us, his existance doesn't impact in anyway on our lives, so what is the bill for? - Vicky |
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@siswe
07/10/2008 11:59
Yes clearly... defantatlee improofing, ant I can sea that you haff also benefatted from it. - e=mc2 |
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@VG
07/10/2008 12:03
You remain an idiot. At least the DA members paid back the stolen money or where suspended. The ANC members got a pat on the back and a "I wouldn't have paid back the dept either" by there fellow MPs. Not just that, they got rewarded!Its corruption like this that is sinking SA faster than the Titanic. Also, the DA with the ID are the only parties that keep the ANC semi-honest, my tax money WELL SPENT.Otherwise one would only find sleeping cleaners @parliament during working hours. - M |
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teachers?
07/10/2008 12:04
i am sorry if i offended anyone with my comment earlier on- it's just that every nurse i've come across didn't treat me well. but i guess i can't make an assumption that everyone else is just as bad. to the nurses and teachers- keep up the good work guys!! - aviwe |
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University Education for nurses??
07/10/2008 12:05
My wife earns R10000 a month after 25 years of being a nursing sister. It is a totally underpaid job. How long would a junior pay off on the study loan at the small salaries they earn? It not worth it!
I believe that the only way a nurse can make a living in this country is by marrying a man with a better job. In this day of (supposed) gender equality a woman should be paid a salary commensurate with 4 years of study with which she can support a family. - Hennie |
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@Matrix
07/10/2008 12:07
Because they don't subsidize the masses that don't work or don't want to work, or pretend to work but just waste money. If everybody worked, taxes could be way lower. But instead we give handouts to people that don't even bother to look for work because they can't get a manager position with a matric certificate. - M |
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@Big Bad Bob
07/10/2008 12:13
I agree Bob.Of course the statements made must be substantiated (I doubt that Sven would have posted this without researching it first).I fear however that the Edgewood example you quoted may be an exception to the rule.I also live fairly close by to them and have heard that they do exceptional work there, but we are in dire need of many more such institutions in this country before things will start coming right. - The Truth |
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Shroom
07/10/2008 12:14
"we don't mind paying those that actually work for the people" ?! what bs. And then you say I'm blinded by propaganda? what a loser. Also, FYI. the MP's implicated in travelgate included a no. of DA members so please get your facts straight first. - VG |
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Fred
07/10/2008 12:15
Parliament as 400 seats - whatever party fills them, the salary bill will remain the same - VG |
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M
07/10/2008 12:26
Don't need a matric for top position just look at JZ, pres on ANC and soon to be pres of SA. - Fred |
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@VG
07/10/2008 12:42
Correct in part. If they steal and don't pay back so that the govt needs to buy back the dept the dirty MPs incurred the amount actually increases. Besides not knowing how to read HDI graphs (proof that the average SA is worse off than before 94), you lack mathematical skills in general. You are ripe for ANC nominated RSA president, well done! - M |
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@VG - getting my facts straight...
07/10/2008 12:44
Fact - In 14 years of the ANC being in power the following have all become worse: poverty, crime, HIV/AIDS, corruption, public transport and service delivery. You complain too much about what the DA does and they are not even in power. We pay the DA MPs to oppose the ANC power-hungry led government - and they are trying their best to do that. If they didn't this ANC led country would already be like Zimbabwe - a wasteland without hope... - ShRoOm |
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@VG
07/10/2008 12:57
"a no of DA members"??? It was one or two, whom doesn't work for the DA anymore. I'm not a DA fan but at least they took action, which is more than I can say for the ruling party trying to find a solution, which we have to pay for and not them. That dear VG is BS and u can eat that for lunch. - Lee |
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teachers training colleges
07/10/2008 13:00
most of those colleges were "shutdown" with a poorly planed policies of the govermnet.now is time for them to review their policies.People don't considered teaching:no funds to study teaching. - JR |
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