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With all due respect to your obvious boredom.......
09/10/2008 08:24
Who gives a flying f..k - more important issues right now - like errrr I dont know ... the fact that the entire world economy is falling over, or that SA is facing major political changes and challenges or that the rand is sliding into oblivion - sheeeesh I dont know maybe the ostrich approach is the best after all. - Stryker |
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Greed
09/10/2008 08:28
Your suggestions are those of a person who do not understand how rugby operates in RSA - there are far better players in our top 5 Currie Cup teams who do not get game time but are contractually jailed to a union which at the end of the day restrict that young talent to develop as he do not get sufficient game time - my question in this regard is why dont we allow such players to play either at the junior level of the top 5 Currie Cup teams or allow them to play week in and week out in the 1st division to enable them to develop and master their trade, this in turn will also improve the standard of rugby of the 1st division and as players improve they can be sold to bigger unions which will bring much needed funds to teams who struggle to get viable sponsorships. I would also suggest a drafting system which can ensure players of better quality becomes part of the 1st division teams. The only thing that prevents the above mentioned suggestions to materialize are greed which at the end of the day is not good for the game in RSA - colin |
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Well said
09/10/2008 08:30
Interesting thought Stephan,and I have to say that I agree.Let this new competition be played under the Vodacom Cup banner. Then these guys will have something to play for. - N |
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Time for an NFL style "draft" system ...
09/10/2008 08:33
whereby every year each team in the country will have an opportunity to pick the best of the new guys coming out of school or university over a series of rounds,from say the best in round 1 all the way to round 10.It may ensure a more even spread of talent than what we have currently where only the unions with the biggest budgets grab the top players.I feel for teams like the Falcons and Griquas where you can see they are doing their best with what little they have. PS.Sharks to go all the way! - The Truth |
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Stephan's suggestion
09/10/2008 08:34
Stephan, I totally agree with your thinking that something needs to be done about the standard of our Vodacom Cup teams. What's even worse is that a team like the Valke gets thrashed almost every weekend by the bigger unions but it in turn ends up thrashing the First Division teams when it gets relegated, its a ridiculous scenario! I think your suggestion has merit. - VLS |
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Stephan
09/10/2008 08:34
Your suggestion is similar to the reasons for the Vodacom cup. But it could now be viable when the Vodacom cup gets scrapped. The Varsity cup is also destined to become a strong feeder tournament. The development side should include areas like E.P. as a kickstart for the Spears. Anyway great to have an article besides politics. - Filemon |
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Hmmmm
09/10/2008 08:34
Well you do have some valid points, however I am more concerned with the fact that our "premier" soccer league is of such a pathetic standard, I think that should be addressed first. My 6 year old niece could score a goal better than some of the so - called strikers in the PSL, watch one of those games and 1st division rugby will look like tri nations worthy stuff! - Nicole |
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Fatigue
09/10/2008 08:42
You are expecting 30+ players to play a season, then get selected into teams to play another season following on from that and then lucky them get selected into the Springbok side to tour Europe and play a third season in a row. Your idea has merit in an amateur world, but not in the professional game unfortunately. - Lost |
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Privatise Unions
09/10/2008 08:45
Privatise all unions like soccer clubs.Owners of the clubs will spend lots of money to get their clubs competitive. - Jannie |
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Stryker
09/10/2008 08:58
yes, there is an financial crisis - but what is talking about it gonna do? unless you are a billionaire, no wait, trillionaire...you can do nothing! Stephan is giving an opinion/solution to a smaller problem...at least he is thinking and not just blasting other people's idea's. - KS |
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@ Lost
09/10/2008 09:01
Lost in thought indeed you are. That is exactly what happens now. Super 14, Trinations and Currie cup plus Home Tour.
And the top players play less than players in the old Carlton Cup. - Filemon |
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Instant Cure for Insomnia
09/10/2008 09:04
Thanks buddy. Thrilling article. I'm going to print it out and read it again at bedtime as I'm sure it'll help me fall asleep in no time at all. - Cynical |
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@stryker
09/10/2008 09:06
Geez man lighten up! No one said there aren't more important issues to write about that doesn't mean we cant debate something else for a change! AIDS is far more of an issue than the rand and our political landscape, so by your logic we should only discuss AIDS and nothing else? We definately can't discuss zuma's corruption trial then because murder is much worse. US elections? No back to AIDS being much more important. - mike |
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1st division
09/10/2008 09:14
I am not to sure about all this, but I do believe soemthing should be done to assist these lower divisions. They afterall are the feeders to topclass teams.Make your suggestion at SA rugby, not that they'll listen, but why not try? - Boerseun |
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Interesting idea
09/10/2008 09:16
I don't think fatigue would be that big an issue Lost - isn't this what happens with Super 14 players anyway? Only thing to get right would be the timing of the tournament - would it be then played during the Super 14? That could work, perhaps have these games as curtain raisers to Super 14 games? But whatever they decide, could they possibly stick to it for a good few years? Tired of constantly changing rules & formats. - Marcel |
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Cynical.....
09/10/2008 09:29
should seriously consider a change in attitude because the rest of his adulthood could be rather
depressing. - Positive |
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YAWWWWWWWWWWWN....
09/10/2008 09:40
Somebody please wake me up when this is all over... - ShRoOm |
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@Lost
09/10/2008 09:42
Good thinking, I've never heard of players playing 2 or more seasons in a row... except for that Super 14, then inbound tour, Tri Nations and then Currie Cup and then end of year tour. If the 2nd rate guys can't handle 2 seasons then they don't belong in the pros. - Chris |
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Leopards
09/10/2008 09:45
I think the Leopards is good enough to play in the Currie Cup and they would also do well. Just look at the Pukke and the talent that is coming from them in Potch. I think the current structures is perfect. - David |
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what?
09/10/2008 09:51
what is your whole point actually? instead of focusing on some "real" things that affect us all, like :the state of the economy, elections coming up, the weak rand, politians making impossible statements- you want us to focus at some sport. what good is that going to do any of us who aren't interested in sport-1st division rugby-to be exact! if you are such an expert why don't you go to wherever you need to go and make your point and leave the rest of us while we try and sort out real problems!! - aviwe |
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I like it
09/10/2008 10:04
The side would have to have a home base and management/coaching structure. This is likely to cause all sorts of issues at administration level. - John |
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I like.........
09/10/2008 10:05
....this idea a lot. Now just ask the powers that be, to play a long. Also the problem of lending players from 1st div to Currie Cup will be dealt with as well. I might even attend a game. Good one. - Xeno |
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@colin : Your speak the truth
09/10/2008 10:19
With the biggest culprits being the Blue bulls, sharks and WP.
The Blue Bulls got enough players to make 4 teams, of which most of those never end up playing a single game. Reason why the blue bulls have all those players, cause they know those players can beat them in any other team, and playing favourites - Bah |
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@ Stryker 2
09/10/2008 10:20
Why then are you reading this column? - Crimmi |
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GO, BULLS!!!!
09/10/2008 10:21
And that's all I wanted to say... - Zumaki (with respect to Lood and Beeld) |
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You have to give teams the chance
09/10/2008 10:37
Sometimes they take it. Sometimes they don't. Seen what newly promoted Hull have been up to in the Premier League? Natal (now the Sharks) were B-section material for years. Griquas once ruled the roost in SA sports. So you have to allow for change. - Big Bad Bob |
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@stryker
09/10/2008 10:45
Not everything has to be doom and gloom buddy. It obviously means something to you because you had a hell of a lot to say. I guess you wasted 10 minutes of your precious life on this article. - John Camp |
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@aviwe
09/10/2008 11:07
No-one is forcing you to focus on anything. To some people sport is very "real" and a subject they enjoy debating but if you aren't interested or don't want to read the article, leave it to those who do. Should you want to discuss something "real", let's start with freedom of choice. - cj |
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@ aviwe
09/10/2008 11:08
If this is such a waste of time then why bother to comment. A couple of us welcome a change of topic, if it doesn't interest you go and curl up in a dark corner till something political comes up. By the way, how can teams improve if they don't play against the best, give the teams in the currie cup a chance to grow. - Nicole |
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Real issues
09/10/2008 11:09
Should we let a couple of you posters decided for everyone what is a valid or a boring issue? People like to debate positive or sporting issues as well as other serious ones. You have the option not to partake in the debate if you feel it not on your list of worthwhile topics. Feel free to exercise that option in future. - AJ |
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Stryker is spot on
09/10/2008 11:42
Stryker is absolutely spot on - the trouble with the traditional beer boep toting SA male is that they spend their life watching (seldom playing) sport and swigging on castle lagers, while real issues remain untackled and unchallenged. Get off your collective fat bottoms and start helping South Africa - I dont see too many SA males helping us out at the myriad orphanages all over the country - Most vollunteers I see on weekends are female. - Em |
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Your idea will probably not work, because
09/10/2008 11:44
South African supporters like to form alliances with provinces and then abuse each other just for the kick. Bulls hate Sharks, Sharks hate WP, Cheetas hate Lions and everybody in between hates the Bulls. SA'ns thrive on hate, so no: Neutral teams will deprive them of their favourite passtime. - TB |
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To John Camp, Nicole and other ostriches
09/10/2008 11:57
First division rugby is supported by maybe 100 people and that includes the players families. Its about as relevant today as the National Party is and almost as exciting. KMA!! - Stryker |
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AJ
09/10/2008 12:20
Oh ok thanks very much AJ, I`ll do that - dimwit - Stryker |
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