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Mbeki debating with Zuma?
09/10/2008 13:14
Alex don't be daft! Mbeki and Zumi would not be debating against each other if we follow US politics it would be the leader of the ANC versus the leader of the opposition. Besides, who in the world wants to watch two corrupt twits battling it out. It would be interesting to see a debate between Zille and Zuma though. I don't think Zuma's dancing will quite cut it... - ShRoOm |
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agree
09/10/2008 13:15
We must keep hoping for a new strong opposition party-one that can at least keep the ANC in check. The likes of JZ with his criminal history could not even be considered if this the same as USA. Even in a flawed system, your leaders character and integrity should be beyond reproach. They should be admired not joked about like our leaders are-what else can we do they are such a joke! - COS |
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Mbeki vs Zuma
09/10/2008 13:18
Pathetic how ANC presidential candidates are PICKED by the ANC fat cats. Instead of the people. No, but we are executing the will of the people. Sure. Just like it was the peoples will to go through a year of Eskom blunders. How does Zuma know what the poor need? Living in his big house, with his army of wives. He doesn't know the meaning of the word poverty. - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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Problem with SA politics
09/10/2008 13:19
The problem is that in South Africa we have too many political parties. In the US there are two and that seems to work really well with the votes being split almost 50/50. This keeps everyone accountable and in check. Two parties might not work in South Africa but perhaps anywhere from four to six might. Unfortunately with everyone, his roomate and their dog allowed to start one, we will never have a strong opposition. I am not blasting the ANC but NO PARTY should ever have absolute power. - ShRoOm |
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No!
09/10/2008 13:20
Which part must we learn from U.S. "Being Bully, Invasions, Destruction of less powerful nations etc." I hate US with my all of my heart and the truth is, we once had MANDELA and De Klerk interview prior to 1994 elections and MBEKI came, then things changed! ASK MBEKI - Tomas |
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I think...
09/10/2008 13:20
That if our politics would have a public debate , anyone who dares to question Zuma would either be "eliminated" or "killed" by the likes of Julius Malema and co. Oh yes..and the debate would be about ten times slower than the u.s. due to striking or a toi-toi. According to many ANC comrades, the opposition parties are not allowed to debate anything or mention any wrong-doing by the ANC. A debate would be great,but would not work in SA.. - Pantoffel |
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Excellent
09/10/2008 13:21
I also believe our leaders will crack under scrutiny. It is unfortunate that our future leaders are not tested in this way. I can imagine how they can deal with questions relating to crime and other challenges south africa faces. - Nkosikhona |
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and one of those things is
09/10/2008 13:24
to allow its citizens to vote from other countries. I see the USA is letting 20 000 of its citizens residing in SA to vote now this is what i call democracy. Surely our SA brothers residing in Australia,UK and elsewhere should be able to vote from whereever they are? Why is SA not allowing this please i would like to know.... - Terence |
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Charisma still rules in the USA
09/10/2008 13:24
The problem with the debates are that a lot of the audience (in the USA as well, worryingly) also have NO IDEA about the technical side of things. The candidates can say anything, and the audience just has to take it as truth. It still unfortunately comes down to -how- the things are said, rather than what is said. - Oom_Kosie |
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A question of health
09/10/2008 13:25
I wonder who would win a debate between our ex Health Minister and a shop mannequin - I vote for the mannequin! Jokes aside, most of our politicians would struggle in a US-style debate because a) most are corrupt, b) most avoid answering questions or blatantly refuse to, c) most would use the race card to excuse or justify any act they are questioned on, and d) most don't have the people's interests at heart. - ShRoOm |
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Charisma still rules in the USA
09/10/2008 13:25
The problem with the debates are that a lot of the audience (in the USA as well, worryingly) also have NO IDEA about the technical side of things. The candidates can say anything, and the audience just has to take it as truth. It still unfortunately comes down to -how- the things are said, rather than what is said. - Oom_Kosie |
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SA vs US
09/10/2008 13:26
Bill Clinton was almost impeached for having an affair while President. Zuma HAD an affair, but that was the lesser of his two evils. "It wasn't rape". Can you imagine a US candidate with Corruption charges against him? Unfortunately, morality isn't something South Africans look for in a President. Perhaps that explains the current state. - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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please stop!
09/10/2008 13:26
stop comparing my country to another country please! oh and if zuma and mbeki would go on debate i think it's quite obvious who would win- mbeki of course. i mean you practically need a dictionary to understand any of mbeki's speeches, as for zuma- please give me my machine gun so i can shoot, split the anc succesfully since i don't have a clue about school, i only made it as far as grade 6(luckily) - aviwe |
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JZ v Anyone
09/10/2008 13:27
Why are we discussing JZ as if he is someome special. Thief maybe, Rapist definitely. Don't mention his name and he might just go away, hopefully. from a real tax paying citizen - Nick |
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Exellent Idea
09/10/2008 13:27
I would LOVE to see a Zille vs Zuma debate.. but that would never happen as 'debates' are evil colonial concepts and counter-revolutionary. - Juan |
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It's a cultural thing..
09/10/2008 13:27
that we see on a daily basis. A known criminal can mingle in society and is often hero worshipped. Supporters of JZ cannot really be that blind or stupid as not to see that he is tainted. As for the idea of an open debate! Zille has challenged JZ [and others] to do just that with no response. Worse, is the fact that the voters can see no wrong in this. Liberalism is a foreign concept to our people. - lloyd macklin |
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Alex
09/10/2008 13:28
I for one would love to see Zuma and Zille go head to head.However, i think the question we should ask ourselves is: what makes a good president? and what kind of president do we want? Mbeki was peferct on paper: well educated, well spoken, brilliant, corruption-free, monogamous, married etc etc.But for all his virtues, I think he made aless than great president: crime, HIV, healthcare etc etc.So not sure what a debate would achieve, besides entertainment value. - VG |
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debate... great idea!!
09/10/2008 13:29
I for one would also love to hear our presidential candidates debate LIVE. We are supposed to vote for leaders and we don't even know what their stances are on crime, unemployment, education and other important issues that affect us on a daily basis!! - protea |
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My wishes.
09/10/2008 13:30
Our South African leaders should engage in debates like these as part of their campaigns. I like how American leaders campaign passionately to win the hearts of their people (all kinds of people). As much as I am an ANC loyalist, I wish they would subject us to arrogant treatment and utterances such as 'political solution' 'we will crush you' 'we we kill for ZUMA'. I wish they were transparent in their operations, that they would realise that they are there to serve. - bee |
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Personally...
09/10/2008 13:30
... I don't hold much for this new party, what is new about it? Old faces, old policies. The reason they were chucked out of their respective positions is because of non performance. Pray tell what new and exciting workable solutions will they bring. They neither have the capacity nor the policy to impress me yet. We don't need a new party fill of old faces that have no record of service delivery. We must hold our ministers accountable in public... - Richard Hipkin |
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SA's Electoral System flawed
09/10/2008 13:33
The flaw which prevent us from having the best public servant occupying the highest office also lies largely in the flawed nature of your electoral system. We vote for a political party, which determines who are our leaders would be. Right down from the local government level up to the national government level. We need to change it because experience has shown that it promotes syconphancy to the party leaders and lack of accountability to the electorate. - Patrick Mkhwanazi |
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Not much of a democracy
09/10/2008 13:34
The truth is that we hardly have a democracy in our country. The ANC decide who they want to be president and we just have to accept it. They there's no serious competition and that they could put any monkey to run for president (as they have done with JZ) and no one will be able to stop them. We can debate this all we like, but the masses in the rural areas won't be reading this and as long as the ANC makes their empty promises, the masses will continue voting. - Chris |
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A brilliant idea
09/10/2008 13:38
I'm not necessarily a great fan of the US, but their very public voting practices allow the electorate to make well-informed choices. I like the idea that the candidates' lives are closely scrutinised since I would feel more positive voting for someone who says "do as I do" and not "do as I say". - Sunshine |
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@ShRoOm
09/10/2008 13:40
In the US the Republicans and the Democrats are almost equal in number and it is the undecided vote that can swing it either way. In South Africa the ANC has 70% of the vote. Why should the leader of the majority party waste time debating with an opposition leader of a party the size of one of its branches? Zille can have a debate with any of ANCs branch chairmen. The president has better things to do. - Jimmy |
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WTF
09/10/2008 13:41
"America is a flawed state, as are we"Yeah right.Get off the crack son.You cant compare 1st world countries and 1st world politics with the crap we have to deal with.I suppose America i'snt doing too bad as they are the only true superpower in the world. - Angola Badprop |
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Ignorance is Bliss
09/10/2008 13:43
Bill Clinton beat George Bush despite claims of infidelity. There were claims about several of the US heads of State. George Bush only got his degree because his father was a rich individual who contributed to Yale University. He won the first election more as a result of appointments made by Reagan and Bush in the Supreme Court. Let us be careful of looking only at what we perceive to be positives while ignoring the reality. Only the rich can be president in the USA. - Len v Heerden |
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@Chris
09/10/2008 13:44
Hogwash!!! The people of this country are the ones that voted for the ANC. It is therefore the wish of the people of this country to be ruled by Zuma. Do not mistake lack of democracy with limited choice. Americans have two parties to chose from and these parties can decide to collude and screw up Americans back and forth, when and where they chose. - Thembalabantubonke |
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Zuma
09/10/2008 13:45
so what you are trying Zuma is this kind of a man who must think deeply where he is going to lay his head tonight as his choice is wide.....sies stupid president with low morals. - respect |
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Quite well I think...
09/10/2008 13:46
Mbeki is a brilliant intellectual, a strong debater, a deep thinker. I've seen Zuma on BBC's hard talk and he handles aggressive questioning well. - Big Bad Bob |
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@Patrick Mkhwanazi
09/10/2008 13:49
I think it is important to understand why things are. Consider that if we had no proportional representative system, there would be no smaller parties in parliament. The ANC would have absolute dominance. The UDM would likely have 1 MP, while IFP might have about 10, the DA about 30 and ACDP about 1. The rest would be ANC. Think about it and consider that we needed the PRS. - LvH |
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@Jimmy - "The president has better things to do."
09/10/2008 13:51
Such as what exactly? Combing his hair? So what you are saying is if 70% of the people have their government in power the 30% cannot question them about policy or hold them accountable for anything? Well done lad, you are a true ANC member! What you preach is not democracy but rather a dictatorship... - ShRoOm |
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@VG
09/10/2008 13:51
You summed it up perfectly ! What would we as a nation like to see in a President. Perhaps it is time to draw up a wish-list and forward that to our political parties. - Annie |
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richard dipkin
09/10/2008 13:52
huh!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Terence |
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History
09/10/2008 13:52
Why is it that only now with a black government you want a debate. Did you ever ask for a debate when you voted PW Botha and De Klerk into power.No..but maybe Botha debated with Ian smith on hw to keep the so called terrorists in jail.... - Sho |
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Parliamentary System
09/10/2008 13:53
In South Africa, Britain and other parliamentary democracies, people vote for the party. The party members vote for the leader of the party who will then be tasked to lead the country should the party win. Furthermore, the 2 party system in the USA makes it easier to determine the 2 candidates to stand for elections. Consider a possibility of 10 candidates standing for one elections and consider how useful a debate would be in that case. It works because of its limitations - Thembalabantubonke |
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Thembalabantubonke - Will of the People
09/10/2008 13:53
Unfortunately, thats not true. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a split in the ANC. The will of the people, then the will of the ANC. "these parties can decide to collude and screw up Americans back and forth" - Except in South Africa. Its ONE party that collude, and screw up the South Africans. - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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Thembalabantubonke,
09/10/2008 13:55
There are at least 22 political parties in the USA, and most of them have candidates standing as presidential candidates. They even have a communist party, believe it or not. The Democrats and the Republicans are just much bigger than the rest. - hjs |
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@Len van Heerden - "George Bush only got his degree because his father was a rich individual who contributed to Yale University"
09/10/2008 13:56
Before you critisize people being handed a silver spoon in life perhaps you should look at our own policies of BEE and Affirmative Action which although they 'redress the wrongs of the past' they ultimately also provide blacks a 'free ticket' to success. The USA, as much as you don't like them, can't be doing all that much wrong - they are the world's superpower and they got there somehow. With all our talent and resources where are we? Ask yourself that. - ShRoOm |
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SA IS NOT US
09/10/2008 13:57
Dream on, this is Africa and not America, unemployment, race relations, GDP growth, whites in the US understood AA,and why they had to have AA, stop comparing apples and oranges, why don't you compare SA to Brazil at least, as i've said i wonder how some articles get approval on N24 from it's editors, we are world apart with US in many respect and lastly JZ is going to the Union Building, break away party on not, LEKOTA MUST GO AND DO HIS THING WE WILL MEET AT THE POLLS, ZILLE AND UDM JOIN IN. - Paul Montele |
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American democracy
09/10/2008 13:59
Each year, less than 50% of Americans vote in the general elections. If this democracy was all it is cracked up to be, I suspect the people of that country would be the one that respect it. At the moment, they do not. Louisiana once had a choice between a gambler and a Klansman (KKK)[Edwards vs Duke]. McCain protected Keating of the famous Savings and Loans scandal (no wonder he is rich). Newt Gingrich admitted to sleeping around while a couple Republicans in the House had some boys for lunch. - L |
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Respect
09/10/2008 13:59
Please keep name calling to a minimum. Shows intolerance. As far as becoming the states, that?s not what was suggested. Just the maturity in the way their politicians handle the debates regarding priority issues of the public. All you seem to get here when SOP are questioned is character assassinations. Sad really. Shows a culture of complete disrespect. - chillepeppa |
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@Thembalabantubonke - "It is therefore the wish of the people of this country to be ruled by Zuma"
09/10/2008 14:00
It is and will never be my wish to be ruled by a corrupt twit! Although I may be one of the 30% in this country that are in the minority... do we not also deserve a voice? Do we not at the very least deserve to have important issues and policies debated at the highest level for the public to have transparency? - ShRoOm |
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Big bad Bob
09/10/2008 14:00
"Mbeki is a brilliant intellectual, a strong debater, a deep thinker".Yes and aids is caused by poverty. - angola badprop |
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Zille vs Zuma
09/10/2008 14:00
If you have any brains at all you have to admit that Zille has more intelligence, integrity, ethical and moral fibre than Zuma will ever have. If you genuinely cant see that then you must be an ANC supporter, stupid or just plain racist (same thing I guess) - Stryker |
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Good article - Why Zuma
09/10/2008 14:02
Why do you want to involve Zuma in a debate. Zuma is history ask Sexwale, Ramaphosa and Phosa. They just used him to get rid of Mbeki. - HC |
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No way!
09/10/2008 14:05
There is no way that Comrat Zuma, will ever do a live debate session. Shame the man?s head will explode, because he would not know for which part of the audience to chameleon for. Shame imagine this, first the smoke comes out, then he mumbles, then his head shake wildly to all sides, and than BOOM!, out pops the hamster and his wheel. - padkos |
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The next best option...
09/10/2008 14:05
As has been said previously, SA citizens are just searching for a party with hope!Any alternative to the ANC to most people is a viable option!As a South African,albeit a black one, i want a political party who puts their citizens first, whether it be a white leader or black...who cares!do we really want to see our country run by a bunch of money-hungry, selfish despots?Cast your vote CLEVERLY and stop being fooled by ANC propaganda! - Mazakadza |
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Sinudeity
09/10/2008 14:06
Pres. Clinton was almost impeached for lying about the affair under oath, not for "having an affair". As for Zuma, is it even possible for a polygamist to have an "affair"? don't know. In any event, you're right: morality isn't high on the list. Just look at PW.... - VG |
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Terribly flawed and fallacious.......
09/10/2008 14:07
It really bothers me that our "educated' minorities are so taken in by their eurocentric conclusions.Comparisons between the hopefuls and our leaders are so out of order.This is the problem with these middle-class nasties.They see doom and gloom everywhere.In fact,they make it their personal program of action to diss us.I cannot understand why they dont move to their americas.This doom and gloom is very unafrican, for us africans.No wonder you guys go for therapy.Doctors must be coining it! - Cape Town Kid |
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US Style Debate in SA Will be Hilarious!
09/10/2008 14:07
Can you imagine the kinds of questions that will be asked of our candidates, from our super bright electorate, in such a debate? E.g. "Mr JZ if we vote for you, will you promise that we'll get free houses, free education, free this, free that, without having to work" Or "Mr JZ, if we vote for you, will you promise that Bafana Bafana will win the World Cup?" - Cynical |
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SA v/s US politix
09/10/2008 14:08
1st of it all is that,Americans follow their candidate's Cv's from the day they were born, their behaviours,kind of families they come from, they scrutinise everything and if there is even a slight indication of anything "unpure" then they are out. SA on the other hand,we are just too happy to swallow any amount of stupidity dished out by people who claim to have fought for our freedom. I mean if Zuma was in jail right now, people would still Vote him cause they believe its loyalty, - Jinx |
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The only debate we could manage ...
09/10/2008 14:09
Is a 'pop idol' showdown - the jive and vocals of 'Mshini Wami' and the rap rhetoric of 'Kill for Zuma'? - Peter |
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Thembalabantubonke
09/10/2008 14:13
Why are you so fond of saying 'rule, 'ruled', 'ruling party'. Especially when you are referring to someone who is elected to 'serve'. It may just be semantics, but it is interesting to note on forums who talks about being ruled and who talks about delivering and serving. It speaks volmes about the attitudes that prevail. - AJ |
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there's absolutely nothing...
09/10/2008 14:13
that we need to learn from the US. if you're so smitten with them,MOVE there.we are going to do things the way we want to do things!why are you people so besotted with the US.look what state its in right now!!!! - fedup |
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@Big Bad Bob
09/10/2008 14:18
Yes,that silver,sugar coated (must be why he licks his lips so often) tongue does serve him well,doesn't it? Its just a great pity that nothing of substance emerges from out of it.Mr.Obama,why on Earth couldn't you have been born South African instead? We need you! - The Truth |
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@Sinudeity - "Its ONE party that collude, and screw up the South Africans."
09/10/2008 14:18
Totally agree - they are all for ruling on their own and disregarding the minorities (and heaven forbid do not question their policies) but then in the next breath they blame all their problems on those same minorities! I mean, really, if you are in power with a 70% majority you CANNOT blame all your problems on the 30% that hardly has a say now can you? - ShRoOm |
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Debate of the Spokes persons
09/10/2008 14:19
That is all we will see in SA. Seems like nobody of note in SA politics can or will speak for themselves. Wonder how many "Spokes' they actually employ? - TB |
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@Thembalabantubonke
09/10/2008 14:19
Difference being (and this is probably the reason why we 3rd world and they 1st world) ?Leadership is an action, not a position.? Here it?s a position. Some keep mentioning the ANC is the ruling party. They should be the serving party. As soon as there is any speculation of a scandal, regardless of its validity, a TRUE leader should step down. Otherwise he might be diagnosed with Mugabe-ism. No meds for that disease, only, what is the word?oh yes, elimination. And another issue we have here is SA as the author mentioned is transparency. - chillepeppa |
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@padkos - regarding Zuma, "out pops the hamster and his wheel"
09/10/2008 14:23
I'm afraid I see the wheel spinning, but this hamster is definitely dead. - ShRoOm |
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The only reason JZ will never dare debate with HZ...
09/10/2008 14:24
is because she would simply rip him to shreds.I mean come on,a Standard Three (maybe even less) with a slight gift of the gab is all he has to offer.It wouldn't be a fair fight at all and the ANC cannot risk their president being made a bigger ass of than what he has already done to himself.Perhaps Malema would be better option in a debate.He has a Grade Eleven at least. - The Truth |
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Ziile and Zuma
09/10/2008 14:24
Not the brightest bunch are you. I'm sure most of you have forgotten that Zille has asked for a debate with Zuma THREE times since Polokwane. Zuma has said no THREE times. Chicken. For self professed political experts you guys should read the papers more, you may actually have an idea as to what is going on. - Freshly Ground |
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have been thinking about this...
09/10/2008 14:25
Even though the American system has its flaws and the debaters dodge questions, at least we know where they stand on the issues that affect the US. Do we know where Zuma stands on anything, how about Mbeki for that matter? A new health minister comes in, and there is a new approach to HIV/AIDS - does anyone have a plan? - backward |
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Good Idea
09/10/2008 14:26
I think is important for ppl of SA to know which kind of president they want, ANC have no clue what the citizens of South Africa need and want, all they think about is their personal gain, and if all political parties we allowed to debated, at least we could be able to see who is worthy to be our leader, not some criminal and someone who thinks that they have the power to defy the hands of justice. - NM |
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@Cape Town Kid
09/10/2008 14:28
Please leave your 'kiddie' comments on the MXiT forum rather. It is obvious by reading your many posts that you absolutely detest the middle class. I guess we should all be poor and bitter like you or rich and corrupt like your much-loved leaders? You ask us to go pack our bags for the US - why don't you pack your bags for Zimbabwe, where I think the style of politics would really suit you! - ShRoOm |
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@LvH
09/10/2008 14:28
PR is an event whereby seats are allocated to leaders of political parties once the election results have been counted. That is not what I have an issue with. My issue is how those who get parliamentary seats allocated to them are chosen. My point is that you and I as electorates do not choose them. We choose the party, and the parties choose them for us. That is the flaw in the electoral system, not PR. - Patrick Mkhwanazi |
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'Stortkop' aka Zuma vs Zille
09/10/2008 14:31
Sadly a debate like that will never happen. It's because the current ANC/Tri-party leadership have the collective mental capacity of a dead mule. A debate would mean that they would actually need to know what needs to be done to solve the problems in this country. My 5yr old son would probably beat Zuma, Vavi, Malema in a structured debate. This is africa, we do things the african way. Order, truth, fairness, service delivery are all evil colonial concepts that can never be championed in africa. - Gus |
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well in south africa
09/10/2008 14:31
well in South Africa we only have one party because this party "apperantly hase been apointed by god to run for ever"
SA has 1 party USA has 2 parties who's has more democracy?
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Re: Thembalabantuwhatever
09/10/2008 14:32
"It is therefore the wish of the people of this country to be ruled by Zuma" Shouldn't you be back on the forecourt of the filling station where you are employed, filling the customers' tanks? I have a good mind to phone your boss.... - Cynical |
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@Cape Town Kid - "This doom and gloom is very unafrican, for us africans"
09/10/2008 14:33
Yes, it must be wonderful walking through life with rose-tinted glasses thinking everything is okay when things around you are crumbling (i.e. crime, HIV/AIDS, poverty). And since those who are in power refuse to debate the issues I guess us in the minority would just have to accept it and also start wearing our rose-tinted glasses... - ShRoOm |
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These debates prove what?
09/10/2008 14:33
Firstly these are not a constitutional requirement. Secondly there is no requirement that any candidate will, once in an office, uphold any position he took in a debate. This famously happened to Bill Clinton. It's a chance to impress and do PR, but that's all. - Big Bad Bob |
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@Len v Heerden and Richard Hipkin
09/10/2008 14:33
What you guys are saying is exceptionally true. Some scumbags with limited knowledge are quick to ridicule the country. Again, SA is not USA and why do we need to model our democracy with their style. It works for them and we have our own. Why do we need to learn from the USA? Do we need to learn to invade other countries as well. SA parties will sell their policies during the election campaigns and the best policy appeal to the voter. i.e If you and me don't vote for the color of the party. - Cooler box |
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@Angola
09/10/2008 14:35
Mbeki never said that. It's a misquote accepted as gospel. Like Manto saying that garlic will cure HIV - she never said that either, but try telling that to those who don't think and don't care that they don't think. - Big Bad Bob |
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@jimmy, well said mr minister
09/10/2008 14:38
Zille is just a mayor not even a premier. So, she can debate with Dr Gwen Ramokgopa if she has the balls, I mean guts. fortunately, this is not America. We don't kill innocent children in the name of world peace. - Tevin C |
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One problem whith this argument...
09/10/2008 14:38
If the American system was so good, how the hell did they end up with George dubbya....twice? I reckon even JZ has more brains, charisma and general knowledge than monkey man Bush. - greggo |
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@Cooler Box
09/10/2008 14:40
lol what election campaigns we have election campaigns in South africa? what planet do you come from? - WhiPnTickle |
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well well
09/10/2008 14:40
"Why do we as South Africans let people with morals below our own govern us?" Because the people with no or very little morals have voted for them. That's why.
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@Kaapstad Kind
09/10/2008 14:40
Listen meisie,settle down and let the adults discuss politics rather in proper English.Your "leaders" do not believe in true democracy.They have created their own form in which any and all debate and criticism of them is oppressed or frowned upon,otherwise why else would they splitting up at this very moment? I think many people in your party are beginning to yearn for more than just empty promises and fat cats.The ANC has outlived its usefulness.The liberation/revolution is over,time to go. - The Truth |
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Agreed
09/10/2008 14:41
I have always thought that the Amreican system of scrutiny is great. Why shouldn't we know how many pieces of toilet paper our president uses, he is the leader of our country for crying out loud!! We should know everytnhing there is to know about him, and if we sense any impurity whatsoever, NEXT PLEASE! As for the debate, cmon now. "JZ, what is your view on the sliding global markets and the sub-prime credit crises caused by unscrupulous lenders??"
JZ: "eish." "umshini wam umshini wam!!" - mike |
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@Richard Mkhwanazi
09/10/2008 14:48
That is the nature of the PR system, I fear. I suspect we all want someone we can hold accountable, but the nature of PR is that the party wins the vote and then delegate to someone who has little or no connection to the community. It is a flaw that was accepted at the time in order to encourage more participation in the democracy. I favour the alternative now that we have achieved political representativity even for the smaller parties. - LvH |
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@Big Bad Bob re.Mbeki & JZ
09/10/2008 14:50
A brilliant thinker with exactly how many achievements to show for it? So brilliant that he still believes in "alternative" causes,cures and treatments for HIV,while the other one...well we ALL know what he believes is a good cure! - The Truth |
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@Gus
09/10/2008 14:50
Delighted that your 5 year old child can debate, but that is besides the point. It is pointless with the present political system to have a presidential debate. It would be like tits in a cow. As long as we vote for the party and not the leader, the leader only acts on behalf of the party and hence is an employee of the party. - LvH |
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@Cooler Box
09/10/2008 14:51
"SA parties will sell their policies during the election campaigns and the best policy appeal to the voter"... exactly my point, but then who holds them responsible for their promises? As long as there's no decent oppostion (as in America), they will never have to fulfill what they promised to get elected. The "African approach" doesn't seem to be working too well. I wouldn't like to see us begging the west for aid like Zim are having to do. - Chris |
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@Big Bad Bob - misquotes
09/10/2008 14:52
Pull the other one! Google it...if they didn't say those things directly they certainly implied it - stupidly too. The ANC leaders have a habit of saying stupid things (i.e. HIV/AIDS cured by garlic and beetroot, poverty causes AIDS, showering cures HIV/AIDS). If these are the types of philosophies you believe in their by all means vote for them... It won't stop you from being stupid though. - ShRoOm |
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There is absolutely nothing to learm from USA...
09/10/2008 14:55
What a bad and ugly example to sell to us Africans. I would not want my govt to occupy countries, plunder their resources and then kill and bomb people.Why would I want my gov to support the Israelis to dehumanis another nation ie Palestine.Why wud I want my gov, to fund blood diamonds.How can I support deforestation of the world. For any credibililty,please interrogate yr whims. Remember USA is resource-poor, ask yrself whr r they getting their monies from? - Cape Town Kid |
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@Jinx
09/10/2008 14:55
Either you have a short memory or are ignorant of what happens in American politcs. They are some of the dirtiest politics in the world and opponents will do anything to win. To be associated with anything Muslim in America seems to be a negative even if you are American and peaceloving (and even Christian). We know what Bill did with Ms Lewinsky and he then denied it and he did not resign either. So, stop making up stories - Thembalabantubonke |
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@VG
09/10/2008 14:58
He was not impeached, he did not resign. He lied and had an affair. Yet, we are being told that the American political system weeds out the bad people. You have just shown that this is hogwash and far from reality. George Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction and had Americans killed in Iraq, never mind the Iraqis and his reward, another 4 years in office. Tony Blair was replaced to give a chance to Brown not as punishment for lying about Iraqi war. Great examples for democracy? - Thembalabantubonke |
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Big Bad Bob
09/10/2008 14:59
Yeah right.So what did he say when the country was looking at him live on T.V and these words came from his lips"Aids is caused by poverty"Personally I can think of only one way aids get spread and it has got nothing to do with my paycheck.You are an idiot. - angola badprop |
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Tevin C
09/10/2008 14:59
lol my oh my such denial..we dont kill innocent children? um.....does the anc know what hiv/aids r? wasnt there a report on a bunch of children that died in hospital that got recently released by the new health minister? - WhiPnTickle |
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@WhiPnTickle
09/10/2008 15:00
Twit, what planet do you come from? The parties will be campaigning before the election. I see you just wanna be heard. We hear you. So, go play with yourself. Hahahahahah! - Busta |
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@Angola
09/10/2008 15:00
President Mbeki never said AIDS is caused by Poverty. Check your facts before making an arse of yourself - L |
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