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amendment bill
13/06/2007 12:23
Ithink south africa is play with our tax that we pay .because to ament tha constitution bill its is going to cost the govement a lot of money .where is the govement is going 2get the money to ament the bill this is realy waste of poeples tax .thanx - thabo mokhethi |
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No
13/06/2007 12:27
Oh no, what a stupid idea. They already have their Kings and Queens and things, why another guy earning a huge salary for doing nothing? What about all the clashes and fights between the two of them? How many times will they amend the Constitution to suit themselves then? No thank you, there is enough confusion in SA already! - Ben |
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Buthelezi's plan
13/06/2007 12:38
I have always respected Nkosi Buthelezi even though I do not agree with the policies of IFP. This plan is worth debating, to look at the merits and demerits of this system. I'm not sure if the ruling party would even entertain it though. - M |
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PM
13/06/2007 12:41
I do not think that its a bad idea. Pres Mbeki is too occupied by foreign affair matters in Africa and the rest of the world. Let him run the International politics while a capable PM can (or hopefully will) take control over National issues. After all, charity begins at home! We need someone AT HOME to brave all the issues we have with health, safety, security and education(Cornerstone of society). Our ministers are not capable of taking control of their respective depts. - JJ |
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Feasibe?
13/06/2007 12:42
If this is such a great idea, what other successful countries have this system to prove that it is feasible? - LM |
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Seperate state from gov
13/06/2007 12:42
i think it can work especially if there are going to be 4 provinces and maybe our voices concerning crime will be heard louder because if feel the president is too quiet. we never hear him speak out on crime, but when his wall was built around his house the word could not get out fast enough especially the cost of it. no persons with previous records like fraud or whatever must be chosen for the position. - verona fourie |
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Yes
13/06/2007 12:46
This is a good logical suggestion. Pres Mbeki does a great job promoting business and SA in other countries, but is really let down by his MP's (or lack of credited ones) at home. He can't do both jobs as our current situation proves! - Chris |
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Prime Minister ????
13/06/2007 12:55
In other words - we'll get another highly paid official. Rather build a few hundred more RDP houses for the poor, and add an indoor toilet not like the horrible things that are being built at present. - Charl |
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To be or not to be.
13/06/2007 12:55
Wow, tough one. Works great on paper but in practice? It... uhm... could work? As far as other agendas are concerned, Of course! Politicians always have an ulterior motive silly to even consider otherwise. I'm sure though, that this proposal will have a fairly substantial impact on us all. All very well and good to make all these changes but we can't even sort out the mess that already is SA. Success on introducing new stuff at this point in time. Questionable Judgement. - MP3 |
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the so called prime minister topic
13/06/2007 13:02
why fix something that works it is going to cost the goverment money to make these changes.this will be the foundation of seperating the country into two.the way the country is carrying on.so leave everything as is .it is already in a state of confusion,dont cunfuse things further. - Deon |
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State from government
13/06/2007 13:19
Politics stink anyway - The O' Jays |
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What abt the Deputy President???
13/06/2007 13:33
What's this obsession with never-ending positions in this country? Instead of empowering the Deputy President to concentrate more on delivery issues, we now want to create another big-spending position in Parliament! No. My opinion is that we have enough under-utilised resources in this country. I'm not even happy with most deputy-ministers while we also have director-generals. What's next? That the Prime Minister must be from the opposition? Big no. - Chris |
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Conflicts in the making
13/06/2007 13:34
African leaders are power hungry and this type of governance will only creat tensions between the two heads of states.If it is accountability Dr Buthelezi is worried about, let parliament rather put in place stringent measures in wich Ministers could be held accountable regarding their own constituencies..LOL - Max |
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State & Govt.
13/06/2007 13:36
Perharps we need evidence of success for this system in countries like the UK, Israel, etc. It could possible work if the president has such a strong personality that he/she will not be overshadowed by the prime minister. A personality like that of Mandela would have fitted this profile perfectly.
Looking at Thabo Mbeki, for instance, with much acclaim as the pioneer of African Reniassence, coupled with his economic intelligence, he may do well. Da PM will nid to be strong administratrator - Anonymous |
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PM and President.
13/06/2007 13:40
Dr Buthelezi will most of the time say something and we make lot of noise against him just because he is Buthelezi. Listen, analyze, reseach and respond to what he is proposing. I think this is a great idea. Service delivery will improve a lot if such system be put into practice. Let's not forget this is a young democracy and it is not perfect it will be improved by ammending some of the things. We must continue thinking of way to better our democracy. - Soli |
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Change?
13/06/2007 13:45
The more the things change the more they stay the same in the Old... Sorry New SA - Martin |
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change might bring the better
13/06/2007 13:49
the PM will be controlled by the majority of the the parlimentarians, which is good because the presidency is not controlled the MP's without even considering the concern of the public and the majority of the MP's - rain |
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Seperate state from gov
13/06/2007 13:50
"no persons with previous records like fraud or whatever must be chosen for the position" - if this is to be the case then no1 in the ANC will be able to fill the position as they are all criminals.. - dear Verona |
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Reinvent the wheel?
13/06/2007 14:05
The old National Party government had a PM and a Prez, so this isn't a new thing for us. It worked then, so it'll probably work now. - PW Botha |
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President only
13/06/2007 14:06
Who going to be our prime minister? zulu,sotho,xhosa or venda. South African you were complaining about xhosa president. so what?Congrats to Mr. President he's doing well without western culture. - SPB0409 |
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A GOOD THINKER
13/06/2007 14:06
That is the way to think about democracy! We have an autocracy in democracy because the current majority are grouped on a limited set of principles and hunger for power. Balancing powers would go a long way to cure this sick system. Local governments concerned with service delivery have also dissappeared and concerns themselves now with big projects far away from residential needs! We are too centralised and too much held by our common throats! - Christiaan |
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Stop paying a catch-up game
13/06/2007 14:06
It is sad to realise that there are people who still want to see other people do things and then they follow them. Why should we wait to see if other countries are doing this system? If those countries did it and it did not work work, must we stop? Can't we make it work ourselve? Why should we do things based on other people's outcomes/successes/failures. It's a pity that we have people who want to make outh Africa a Re-active country. - Matome Ramatseba |
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PM & President
13/06/2007 14:14
I support Buthelezi's idea, provided there is no deputy president. We need somebody is directly accountable to the people of South Africa. If we had a PM, I am sure the public servant strike would have benn resolved long ago. Come on, let us be proactive and pragmatic. At least somebody is thinking. After all we do not loose anything by trying this option for our young democracy. - Karl |
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President
13/06/2007 14:19
If Thabo Mbeki wants to be more involved more in foreign affairs maybe he should step down as the president and take a lower position more in line with his political interests. The president's office is the highest political office in the country and to now say that the president is above politics is a contradiction in terms. - frank |
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state vs gorvenment
13/06/2007 14:47
The priciple will work if you assume there is ever such a thing as apolitical person, but we know this concept is a myth. Whilst I agree with the honourable Mr Buthelezi on the need of such a role as "head of governement" My suggetsion would be that this role can be adequately filled by the deputy president. I think this is a very powerful position which is not properly exploited. The deputy president can oversee all the day to day issues of governance with the final oversight by persident. - napoleon |
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Pres & PM
13/06/2007 14:52
Well the system has worked well in Germany since 1945, at least our head of state would spend time in the country rather than trying to sort
out the rest of Africa.
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PM and President
13/06/2007 14:53
We have a Deputy President and a Foreign Minister currently including a President which is correct and enough for this country.All that is required in this govenment to do better is for it to be decisive and deliver to it's people.Problem are not there because of incapacity but because of long deliberations and not listening. - Strike |
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Good Idea
13/06/2007 15:02
That is long over due - Sipho |
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President & Prime Minister
13/06/2007 15:12
Excellent & progressive. - Sybil |
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LETS DEBATE IT
13/06/2007 15:20
Buthelezi has been often off the mark but these days he never ceases to amaze me with his insightful and logical thinking . It shows an element of political maturity on his part .on the issue raised i think we as a society are quick to attach cost to any good idea being raised which is dorf on our part . if we separate the power structures we have it will give the two offices legal entities not ceremonial status like in other part of the world where this model is being practised . - RATLOU |
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