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SA crime rate 'shameful'
06/07/2007 08:49  - (SA)  

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    Off much discussion over the last few days has been the release of the national crime statistics. Some have even renewed the call for the resignation of the Safety and Security Minister. Perhaps we have finally seen the light.

    With little surprise, the crime stats make for clear reading and add the finishing touches to the direly disastrous picture of crime in South Africa.

    Not that our raging crime problem was ever in any doubt, of course. Despite our leaders who seem to be of the view that crime in this country is "exaggerated".

    It is common knowledge that we are a nation up to our eyeballs deep in the thick sludge of crime.

    But how did it all get so catastrophic? I presume there are a great many answers to that question, depending on whose answering it.

    Someone has to take the heat

    The issue of calling for the resignation of the Minster is, I suppose, a welcomed relief that finally the masses of this country are beginning to familiarise themselves with concepts like accountability.

    Accountability: always a concept that has been notoriously elusive in South Africa. Our leaders have always played the age-old game of "musical-chairs" when it comes to holding someone responsible for disasters. By that I mean, the blame gets passed around throughout Parliament so many times with so much political jargon and excuses that the public is left with reeling headaches trying to make sense of it all.

    Yes, accountability implies that someone has to stand up and take the wrap for those appalling statistics. Someone, somewhere has to; it is unavoidable.

    Whether it will be the Minister of Safety and Security or the National Police Commissioner who you think should shoulder the blame, take your pick. For me, it may well be both, along with a whole host of other upper-echelon government officials who on frequent occasions display their grand incompetence.

    But really, sometimes it seems like those who govern us are really living in a different planet far from the rest of us in crime-embattled South Africa.

    Take the law into our own hands?

    Take for example our National Police Commissioner. Speaking about the crime pandemic impacting on the 2010 World Cup, according to his perversely warped view, he has the audacity to say the months when crime are "usually lower" are between June and July, and so it is a relief that the World Cup is to be held during those months.

    This man's arrogance, hypocrisy and condescending attitude truly does never cease to amaze. Does he really think that the criminals won't have the time of their damned lives with all those tourists that are expected to flood in during the course of the World Cup? If indeed so, then it seems he really is living in a fairytale land.

    Then we have the Minister of Safety and Security who says he will not resign and has asked his critics to ask themselves what "they" are doing about the fight against crime. Just what on earth is he suggesting?

    Take the law into our own hands perhaps, then before long we can brace ourselves for a totally lawless society, where the victims and criminals all run rampant chasing one another in unending madness? Tell you what: I don't think we are all that far off.

    Let us not forget, this is the same Minister Mr Nqakula who once proudly stated that "they can whine until they are blue in the face," they can be as negative as they like, or, wait for it: "they can simply leave".

    To worm his way out of that predicament, Minister Nqakula offered in his defence that the "they" he was referring to was opposition members who were complaining about the spiraling crime problem in the country. Although his comments did seem rather open ended to me when he made them, open ended as if he were referring to anyone who complains. The call for his resignation should have been shouted out from the rooftops then.

    Instead of President Mbeki lashing out at Mr Nqakula for making those ludicrous statements, it was little surprise that the whole issue surrounding those callous remarks have all but evaporated into thin air.

    Making comparisons doesn't help

    In reference to the crime stats, I have heard some people make such utterances like "improvement". In my view, to use words like "improvement" in any context, when statistics tell us that we are drowning in our crime problem, is downright shameful. There is little "improvement" here.

    Making comparisons of crime statistics between years is a farce and little more than a childishly ridiculous way of fooling ourselves.

    If we are to have any hope of battling this vile and disgusting scourge of crime that we have in South Africa, the time is long overdue for heads to roll, demand accountability and results, and not settling for being patronised with crude comparisons between crime statistics which are dangerously out of control whichever way you look at it.

    Forgive my negativity Mr Nqakula and Mr Selebi, but I don't see those horrid crime statistics as an improvement by any means.

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      SARCASTIC
    06/07/2007 08:58
    What is bad is the sarcastic tone that the minister uses when he addresses his news conferences! Like the public is "s..t" and should be grateful that he made the effort to speak to them. Just accept things, is his whole attitude. As far as musical chairs goes, Apartheid always seems to loose their chair! Convenient for everyone! - Christiaan
     
      Crime Stats
    06/07/2007 09:04
    I agree with the above we only have two opstions left, Take the law into our own hands and kill the murderers before the kill you , or bring back the death penalty , Nothing ells will help !! - Sniper
     
      Sickening crime affects blacks and whites
    06/07/2007 09:07
    Countries like Zim and Mozambique went through an all out liberation war but how come there don't have such stats of violent crime. Sure their economies don't compare to us but when was the last time u heard a story of a child being brutally molested and killed in those countries?what does that have to do with "POVERTY".Reason: Their justice system is 6 times more efficient than ours.You go to prison with HARD labour there.Our govt doesn't give a damn about the pple thats why crime is so high! - 30cent
     
      Get out!
    06/07/2007 09:09
    Do you get home worried that your house has not been broken into? Look at every person on the side of the road with suspicion? Afraid for your life and your families? This government is useless and I have no hope for them. The world cup 2010 is going to expose the violence and crime in this country, because so many foreigners will fall victim to it. Get out if the country as soon as you can! I promise you that my family will not be here for much longer. - J
     
      CRIME
    06/07/2007 09:13
    Well done Rivaan,good report.Nqakula and Selebi shouldnt resign,they should be fired.The remarks nqakula make are absolutely stupid,to think we pay these so called ministers salarys.I promise you the government is not interested in addressing crime,it doesnt really affect them. - Lee
     
      Crime........
    06/07/2007 09:19
    The issue of crime in this country will never go away...period. The current leaders in key positions are extremely bitter by way of the past and are seeking revenge in every way possible. Their current state of mind still carries the effects of a tormented past. Lets not forget all of these ministers or some were imprisoned or lived in exile. They are not interested in you and i nor the future of this country. Mr Leon called it a day as he was fighting a losing battle on issues such as crime... - Navs
     
      Improvement
    06/07/2007 09:20
    Maybe the "improvement" referred to the criminals who are just doing better on crime. Crime has improved!! Bring back the death penalty and ship all the illegal aliens to Iceland. Maybe a couple of government officials can join them....... - Harry
     
      punishment for incompetent justice officials
    06/07/2007 09:21
    These two buffoons (Selebi & Nqakula) should be left to spend a night on their own on the streets of Durban without any weapons to defend themselves in order to see how bad the situation really is. (or alternatively we could make them drive a cash-in-transit van or tie them to an ATM). - lily-white
     
      Admit it first
    06/07/2007 09:24
    Great article Rivaan! But as long as the politicians (President included) don't regard crime as out of hand and take it serious but blame it on members of the public who don't become reservists, nothing will get done about it. Ministers and officials responsible don't take responsibility for combatting crime in SA, and like we all know, you WON't do anything about something unless you have CONFESSED/ADMITTED that it is a problem. We will live in fear forever, I just hope they cancel 2010 soccer! - Google
     
      Where are your neighbours
    06/07/2007 09:29
    We are living like prisoners in our own homes and I am talking about black and white. This is the time for neighbours to look after each other,homes and children. Private security industry is doing a fantastic job why can't government. When the emergency call centres won't answer the phone or help you because you are shouting (being attacked,hijacked)there is something really really wrong with the system. TIME TO LEAVE is not an option for some people! - Had enough
     
      Land of opportunity for Criminals
    06/07/2007 09:31
    The fact that attempted murders are down and murders are up leads me to deduce that criminals no longer attempt to kill you, they make sure they do. Prison in SA doesn't seem to concern a would be criminal, it's to cushie. I agree if not the death penalty, then serious hard labour. There must be a definite penalty for Rape, Murder, etc. You take someones human rights, your for go your own. Simple. Why do we have to live in fear while criminals consider a tastey meal and education in prison. - Dax
     
      Involved
    06/07/2007 09:34
    Perhaps the reason why the goverment is doing nothing about crime is that some of them are involved in crime anyway? - Steven
     
      Will you run for office?
    06/07/2007 09:37
    Rivaan, will you please get into politics? Because its been a long time since I've heard it all said so succinctly. I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. Between you and our straight-shooting Minister of Education we'd have the start of a working government. - May
     
      incompetent ministers to resign
    06/07/2007 09:42
    commenting on Nqakula statement"I will not resign and those complaining,; what are they doing to fight crime"?.. well let me tell you Mr Nqakula,if we quite our jobs to fullfil your responsibilites, there won't be any money to pay for your salary,because we, the hardworking, law abiding citizens pay for your salary. Be a man, admit that you are incompetent to protect this country. You are not worth the money we pay. you. - Frankie
     
      SA crime rate 'shameful'
    06/07/2007 09:42
    These two "buffoons (Selebi & Nqakula)" were apointed and not elected, They are not acountable to the public who they are supossed to protect. Just Protect the figures and all is well. The best is that there are more of them upstairs that think acountability is a word out of the old Roman justice system, no use in the new South Africa. - Eric
     
      Rights but no responsibility
    06/07/2007 09:43
    Ever since the ANC have come into power, the government, other parties, political youth leaders, etc all preach "You have the right to this, you have a right to that, don't let anyone take your rights away, you have the RIGHT!" But where is responsibility? With every right there is responsibility and this is rubbing off on people. - Jonathan
     
      Crime
    06/07/2007 09:44
    Shame on you, Selebi & Nqakula They always seem to be intoxicated when making staements - The O'Jays
     
      SA is it's people
    06/07/2007 09:49
    Irrespective of the actual stats, which are horrific themselves, how can a government ignore its people this way? I dont understand it, specially because they have the resources to address it. The governments attitude is comparable to animals, there is nothing human about the way they treat SA citizens. Please, can just one ANC politician stand up and be honourable. Please. - wendel
     
      Constitution
    06/07/2007 09:55
    Unfortunately all of this is happening because of the wonderful constitution we have, in particular the "human rights" part of it - criminals, rapists, wife beaters and illegal aliens are the protected ....... and of course the the officials that do not care about their people who voted them into power..... - Mario
     
      2010
    06/07/2007 09:59
    If we were offered to host the Rugby World Cup nobody would advocate that it be cancelled, but somehow 2010 is associated with other issues. It's pathetic that even crime is racialised in this country. This scourge affects everyone black or white and the sooner we take in our hands as communities to sort it out the better. Crime is a silent civil war in SA. It's the battle of the haves and the have nots. There is too many guns around. It will cost you R200 to buy a gun in Khayelitsha. - ali
     
      DA Candidate
    06/07/2007 10:06
    Rivaan - you seem like an ideal candidate for the DA - just like the DA all you can do is criticise & whine about anything - Ric
     
      Soft on criminals
    06/07/2007 10:07
    The fact that idiots like Selebi and Nqakula are still running things just shows the government has no inclination to do anything about the situation. Tough crime calls for TOUGH measures. No "early rehabilitation" programs for prisons, hard labour, the death penalty, and cops who SHOOT the @#*#!ing criminals. I am glad to hear of the recent statement to police that they should not be afraid to defend themselves. Out-of-context liberalism is making us soft. "Oh poor criminals you can't kill them" - Wernardt Toerien
     
      Ludricous
    06/07/2007 10:08
    Selebi and Nqakula are both idiotic fools. Their comments are laughable and I dont know why their are still in their posts. However, what is terrifying is that whilst these fools spout their meaningless drivel, our children are being slaughtered like animals/our women raped and killed/our men shot for their cellphones. If not them, who will account for these atrocities? This government has innocent blood on their hands. - Amanda
     
      Spectators?
    06/07/2007 10:08
    What a beautiful country we have,not forgetting the occupants of it.I also think "some" of the methods used are not working for crime.But there are political parties with crime prevention measures somewhere on their desk PCs,are they using them?If not,is the government refusing to give them their password to their PCs?Healthy debate.I guess we all spectators!! - Fella
     
      Crime
    06/07/2007 10:09
    What is actually going to happen, is ever type of police force will be swarming around all the tourists during 2010, and the rest of Gauteng will be totally ignored and will be easy "pickings" for all the criminals. I worry about us during that time, not so much all the tourist areas. - Losing Hope
     
      Shameful Crime in South Africa
    06/07/2007 10:12
    Why is it that incompetent, arrogant, patronising idiots like Nqakula and Selebi are not held accountable for the shameful crime situation in South Africa? If qwe were in a country like Australia or Britain, these two buffoons would be fired in a heartbeat, and people would be appointed who can do their job. What is wrong with this AND Regime, currently MISgovernoing this country? They clearly do not understand the concepts of competence and accountability. - John
     
      crime
    06/07/2007 10:16
    firstly you should realize that government is unable to handle crime ,thats why they're in denial about it and secondly as Navs stated they are bitter about the past and are on an obvious vendetta to erase anything remotely relating to the white community calling it "addressing the inequalities of the past" hence the obsession with changing of street, building and town names. (but come voting time guess who the masses will vote for?) - chop
     
      30cent spot on
    06/07/2007 10:17
    30 cent is spot on. Totally and utterly incompetent people in charge of safety and security. Do they actually care? Same old empty promises each time shows how much they disrespect the law-abiding citizens of this country. Hundreds of other places with serious poverty...nowhere near the same amount of crime as in SA. People ask yourselves a question... do the government care about you and I? - S
     
      Put Pagad in power!
    06/07/2007 10:20
    In the past I was against vigilante action but it we don't have a choice now in the Wild West here. Didn't you all clap hands when that partygoer in Kempton Park killed the two robbers? I actually scare myself with my cold attitude these days. But ever since my father was murdered for his watch and few lousy rands in his home I feel very little. The community in the Cape Flats has the right idea and they are openly at war with the criminals. If you can't leave the country, buy a gun and learn to use it well! - May
     
      SA Crime
    06/07/2007 10:24
    I've lived in this country all my life and i refuse to live in fear. Fear is not from God therefore i refuse to have it paralyse me. 2.The government will never be able to sort out the crime issue, it goes deeper than that. Anyway govenment is just a mere reflection of a society we live in. SA constitution is the most anti-God in this continent and that being the case, the crime issue is still going to worsen. - bongiwe
     
      Tide is turning - too slowly though
    06/07/2007 10:32
    There is a glimmer of hope though in that you see more disatisfaction and calls for action from the unions. And these guys talk to people at grass roots level.. When the unions make a fuss the dopes on the gravy train seem to take notice because they can influence voting on a massive scale! And I agree with their argument. Since there is so much unemployment why are they not hiring more cops? And we should start using our expensive military because this is a war of terror on all the people. - May
     
      Ric...
    06/07/2007 10:34
    Clearly you, Ric, have not had a defenceless relative shot in cold blood for a TV or DVD player in their own home. Clearly, you are one of those people who prefer the "head in the sand, i'm an ostrich" approach. Clearly, the only retort you (and the spineless people who share your opinion) have is to call people "whiners". We are not whining, we are FED UP with needless slaughter. The DA may be overly critical but at least they're not afraid to say what's bothering us all! Wake up! - Wernardt Toerien
     
      AUS/NZ/UK
    06/07/2007 10:38
    We are not Australia, United Kingdom or New Zealand. The problem is that we being ruled by a liberation movement. By people who 15 years ago were either in jail or in exile. We can't have our cake & eat it. Bantu education, you remember. Now 80% of our legislators went through Bantu education. So who do we blame for the incompetence?? The bunch of idiots who prevented them from getting a decent education. Me Says!! - Ali
     
      2010
    06/07/2007 10:38
    20 tourist will come & 10 will return - The O' JAYS
     
      Let the adults speak...
    06/07/2007 10:39
    Ric, why don't you let the adults discuss this matter... Are you smoking your socks? Wake up, get your head out of the sand, come off your high, whatever the case may be! - Deon Oberholzer
     
      We can handle the crime and the poor pay but...
    06/07/2007 10:43
    we cannot tolerate the rape and killing of our children and the dumping of tiny babies in toilets. The increase in these crimes is a sign that thee is something seriously sick in our society. Children are the only real wealth in this world. YOU KILL A CHILD YOU KILL THE NATION - Sickened
     
      consider this..
    06/07/2007 10:46
    If we had to count all the deaths/murders relating to crime in SA over the past 10 years or so. And if those figures were considered over say a week or so, we would probably have been called a civil war. Its a painfully slow war that is going on under everybodys noses. When you've lost someone and have been affected directly by the ruthless nature of our crime, you will feel the way we do - packed and ready. What a pity, such a beautiful country with so much potential. - nerves shot so bags are packed.
     
      RE: DA candidate
    06/07/2007 10:48
    Wake up Ric! The main purpose of the opposition IS to criticize the leaders for failing the people. The main purpose of the ruling party is to look out for the people (not themselves) - JFK
     
      crime
    06/07/2007 10:49
    Spot on,Rivaad.Indeed, the government spends more time critising victims who complain about crime, than warning/critisizing/apprehending criminals. Unfortunately, change will only happen when South Africans start, en masse,to hold their leaders accountable. Lets just hope the country is still standing when that day arrives.Navs also nails it.They are simply not interested.Only want rewards for their struggle,the ideals of which they are now light years removed anyway. - fed up
     
      Its just crazy!!
    06/07/2007 10:51
    Its terrible, I have been robbed at Gun point, Seen somebody get shot 4 times during the day in Braamfontein. When walking, you always wonderin if the next person is gonna attack you, if you walk past a woman you wonder if she is thinkin that she might be robbed or raped. Its out of hand!! - Khathu Ndouvhada
     
      Criminals should not have rights
    06/07/2007 10:56
    I understand that the community can also play a role in fighting crime,but the way Nqakula puts it,its as if its our fault!.Govt' responsibilty is to protect us.Even Mbeki has never ever expressed empathy towards this nation.They can say what they want about Pres Bush,he wont take this crap from criminals.He would be on national Tv addressing the nation and warning the criminals that their days are numbered.Mbeki is too legalistic and pussy foots around the constitutional rights of criminals - PJ
     
      The sad facts
    06/07/2007 10:57
    When FNB was about to take pro active action the government was quick to intervene. Now suddenly Ncakula wants to know what other people are doing. The president denies that crime is a problem, yet erects a multi million Rand wall around his house, why, is he a nudist? The sad thing is that we can whine until we are blue in the face and nothing will be done, simply because the voice of ?a white man? is worthless and surely hell will freeze over before the government accepts responsibility. - CP
     
      Ali, you don't know what you are talking about
    06/07/2007 10:58
    You can't keep beating that old apartheid horse mate! The people who hire and fire mostly went to Fort Hare and got tertiary educations. Stop looking for excuses and start expecting a service for your tax money. Minister of Education got it right when she said people need to stop blaming apartheid for their shortcomings and failures. Its wearing really thin. And these guys committing the crimes have lived most of their lives in a free country! - May
     
      Pres Bush,
    06/07/2007 11:00
    They can say what they want about Pres Bush,he wont take this crap from criminals.He would go on national Tv addressing the nation and warning the criminals that their days are numbered.Mbeki is too legalistic and pussy foots around the constitutional rights of criminals. - PJ
     
      CRIME
    06/07/2007 11:04
    I agree with KZN MEC of Security Mr Bheki Cele when he gave our police the order to blow them criminals heads off, that way they will realise that they r also being victimised and maybe they will realise that that "CRIME DOENST PAY, IT KILLS" SHAYA INGQONDO( BLOW THEIR HEADS OFF!!!) - DVD
     
      My 1c worth
    06/07/2007 11:10
    These two, Selebi & Nqakula does not have an idee how it feels to be a victim of crime -- untill such time they will not understand wat we the people are going through. Mabe it will change if someone close to them are Hi-Jacked robbed assaulted and shot/stabbed or they themselves -- then mabe they will understand what we the people are going through everyday. - Mr T
     
      Crime is a fact
    06/07/2007 11:11
    Crime is a problem in this country because of the huge gap between the have's and the have nots. That's a fact. Now, if you consider where the wealth of the country is concentrated, with special focus on prime properties and senior managerial positions in top company s, you should be able to see why crime is a problem in this country. People are still not willing to acknowledge the countrys new political dispensation. - Crimewatch
     
      you are sooooo right Ali..
    06/07/2007 11:17
    Ali you are so right, so maybe the liberation movement should step aside and let someone with a brain cell take over until the black people are educated enough to do so, seeing as you point out that they're too thick to do anything other than fullfill thier corrupt desires and stroke their egos... - competant
     
      FOOLS
    06/07/2007 11:19
    Be cautious - you can fool ALL the people all the time. Elections are coming.... - Craig
     
      What you want
    06/07/2007 11:29
    South Africa has got what it voted for. This is the Government the majority want to rule the country - if it doesn't suit some of the people too bad. Not until the masses learn to be responsible and understand democracy and hold their leaders accountable will there be change. There is no hope of things improving, it will just get much much worse - there's a whole continent of example. My heart aches for the needless deaths that the Government cares little about. - Bob
     
      PLEASE STOP THE CRIME
    06/07/2007 11:35
    Very bold Riv, My husband was shot dead in my bedroom a year ago. Whats with the Constitution "human rights" Then may I ask were was my hushand's right to live. He was an asset to the Country and Community, Tax Payer for 30 - I say "bring in the death penalty" We are actually afraid to live in our own homes - Since the loss of my husband I moved out out of my big confortable home and live in a small flat. My life as well as that of my children, relatives and friends have changed drastically. - Radha Kullenda
     
         
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