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Engines don't just fall off
04/12/2007 08:56  - (SA)  

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  • Con Conradie, News24 User

    Since the Nationwide Boeing 737-200 lost its engine, the media have been questioning safety, dramatising minor technical hitches and have in general placed the aviation industry under the magnifying glass.

    Aviation has always been upheld as one of the safest forms of mass transport and every accident is understandably reported on in much detail. However those responsible for the reports seldom have a working knowledge of the complexities associated with aviation such as the multitude of regulations that pertain to the industry.

    Aviation Law dictates the legal framework from which operators may not deviate. Manufacturers in turn have stringent rules and standard operating procedures that operators need to comply with. The airlines in turn train their crew in accordance with the aforementioned requirements. It is because of these very strict rules of the game that aircraft are delayed for technical reasons.

    A Boeing 747 as an example has four hydraulic systems. Failure of any one system allows the remaining three to provide the aircraft to function. Similarly there are four engines, three independent on board navigation systems, two pressurisation systems and the list continues.

    Given its complexity and the reliability thereof, it is truly the eighth wonder of the world. Any system when it fails could delay the aircraft, but this does not however imply that safety is being compromised - it is a requirement defined in writing, either legally or by the manufacturer.

    Ingested something?

    The recent incident involving Nationwide is an unfortunate deviation from the aforementioned. The airline claims its engine ingested something and that is the reason for the engine seperation. Those engines do not fall off when they ingest foreign bodies.

    The latter happens all the time. Birds being the most common form of ingestion - big and small. At the time, it seemed Nationwide was being somewhat disingenuous with this claim. Perhaps we now know why.

    The Nationwide incident was not the first engine to fall of an airliner. A DC10 lost an engine at Fort Hare which caused catastrophic failure of the wing when the torque effect of the engine under full thrust snapped the wing off. The reason was traced to that airline's deviation from maintenance procedures.

    Nationwide got very lucky with their incident. It was not the pilot's expert skill that saved the day - they are trained to fly aircraft with complete loss of power on one engine during take-off. Similarly airliners are designed to lose thrust and still fly with a fair amount of ease.

    Seldom a single reason

    Nationwide must rather admit that something went horribly wrong on the day and that maintenance is the real reason. Right now they are acting as if this was an act of God - something ingested! I believed at the time it was because of maintenance that the CAA grounded their aircraft. It seems I was right.

    Airlines attempt to maintain high standards - some are obviously better than others. Quantas for one has never had an accident. SAA has lost a Viscount (the Rietbok) off East Londen, a Boeing 707 out of Windhoek (the Port Elizabeth, I think it was) and a 747 (the Helderberg) killing hundreds of people in the process.

    It must be said though that Nationwide has not killed anyone, nor Comair, nor Kalula, and 1 Time also has an unblemished safety record (no hull losses).

    This having been said, aircraft incidents and accidents can almost always be ascribed to a series of unfortunate events - it is seldom a single reason.

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      Nice article.
    04/12/2007 09:12
    Thanks Con, good article. Let me just tell you that I have never been on a plane and will be flying for the first time overseas these holidays so reading an article gives me confidence that the my flight will be just fine..lol...In other words, I'm gonna sh!t myself when I step on the plane with all thsi ongoing drama. - Phatboy
     
      RE: Airsafety
    04/12/2007 09:12
    Why all this hype about air safety??? Why not more hype about taxi and truck maintenance! After all, more people die on our roads every year! - knersus
     
      I don't know...
    04/12/2007 09:15
    if an engine stops working thats one thing but if it falls off now that sounds extra serious to me - skarr..
     
      Safety in general
    04/12/2007 09:32
    I agree with knersus, why do we always wait for the accident then act as though everyone is guilty except the guilty. Should the Dept of Transport not check the safety of all forms of public transport this time of the year, then maybe the Metro police can also enjoy their festive season. If you really want an experience - fly internally in some of the African states!!! - JD
     
      Its Shocking , ,,,
    04/12/2007 09:33
    I wont set my foot on any Local African airline ,Their standards If any is just not worth me or my families lives ,I wonder where all our respected an qualified aviation engineers are ? Oh yeah that's right Australia and NZL Why would they hang around here and get "abused" LOL they not stupid after all !! - Bongani
     
      Planes are like cars
    04/12/2007 09:34
    I believe that planes should be scrapped when they reach a certain number of flying hours, and not refitted. Also, how sure are we that SAA isn't just playing dirty tricks with Nationwide, much like BA did to Virgin. Oh, and an engine is more likely to fall out of a car than a plane. Just Google 'Mazda mps faulty engine mountings'... - Dillon
     
      Shear bolts
    04/12/2007 09:38
    I was flying Nationwide 2 weeks ago and was sitting next to a private pilot on the plane. He said that the engines are built with specific shear bolts so that when stresses are too great (which would otherwise snap off the wing) like when a large object flies into the engine, the bolts shear and then the engine falls off. They are built this way for safety. He didnt seem to think there was anything untoward with the incident. It seems he may have been wrong.... - DW
     
      Nationwide
    04/12/2007 09:40
    Con, interesting article but flawed in some areas, it WAS the pilots skill that saved the day, another pilot may have not been as sucessful despite receiving similar training, the jet had a high drag configuration with the primary hydraulics lines severed,it was difficult weather with rain and low cloud - that pilot despite as u say being trained for it did an incredible job. The investigation has not been completed so don't assume, initial findings are metal fatigue.. - Perry
     
      I smell a rat...
    04/12/2007 09:50
    Sabotage if you ask me! - John
     
      Eish..where to now
    04/12/2007 09:56
    Is it a coincidence that shortly after SAA announced their financial losses and the subsequent reduction in personnel - that the wheel, eish sorry, the engine, fell off the aviation sector? Today, it is said that paid-up Nationwide passengers can claim their money back-they must wait 6 weeks-how long are the Dec holidays? Eish!! - JD
     
      Do Just
    04/12/2007 10:03
    Engines don't just fall off..... but official do just get appointed! (You read between the lines!) - Martin
     
      Scary
    04/12/2007 10:13
    I saw a similar incident on Discovery Channel's 'seconds from disaster' programme where a Boeing 747 lost its engine and crashed into a block of flats in the Netherlands.Unfortuately many lives were lost. - MAXX2
     
      Air Safety
    04/12/2007 10:17
    Well done on giving the man in the street a bit of insight into the aviation world. I think any person of reasonable intelligence thought at the time that it was not a 'normal accident' if an engine falls off!!!! This article cemented those thoughts. I do however think that the Civil Aviation Authority is not innocent in this debacle and should be called to account as well. Why did it take a loss of engine for them to ground the fleet?? What is the CAA relationship with SAA? How impartial are they? Just a thought, use it ? lose it! - jakes
     
      Birdstrike?
    04/12/2007 10:20
    Safety isn't done once a year, it's a constant on-going thing. There are dozens of checks even on a small 2 seater. Visual inspection when approaching the aircraft, electrics check, Pre-flight, engine run-up, vital actions before take off, then there are all the checks in-flight. If all planes were scrapped when they reached a certain age, we wouldn't have the privilege of having the Shackleton or the C47 flying anymore. Was there a birdstrike? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=pw+jt8d - Jim
     
      Never see me there!
    04/12/2007 10:21
    Will never set foot in a plane! These things are just built with fly-by-night material, they are good for nothing!I knew all along that something was fishy with all these planes! - Sello
     
      Bongani
    04/12/2007 10:22
    If you follow news you will realise that aircraft accidents happen more overseas than here , but then it's futile to convince people who are ALWAYS negative about this country. - Godfrey
     
      Nationwide
    04/12/2007 10:28
    I am also wondering about what Dillon suggested. We all know what BA did to Virgin, who says this is just not a ploy from one of the competitor airlines in SA? I fly Nationwide regularly and their service surpass any other domestic airline's service. - Peter
     
      Interesting
    04/12/2007 10:31
    As an Aeronautical engineer, i must agree with Perry. Yes, the engines are designed to shear off under extreme drag conditions, but a flamed out motor or bird strike is not one of those conditions. A foreign object that would cause that, would DESTROY the motor. with plenty off fireworks to be seen. Metal fatigue is the best explanation. Even shear pins have failed due to metal fatigue (Netherlands 747). Metal fatigue is a cancer for older aircraft. - shaun
     
      It was not the pilot's expert skill that saved the day ...
    04/12/2007 10:35
    Bull...t !!!! Every one of those passengers owe there lives to a pilot who managed to save his aircraft on rotation while droppoing an engine. Not just losing power as they are trained to do. Weight distribution imbalances, a barrage of crises and a co-pilot with one week's experience on that particular aircraft did not help him. The pilot who parked his/her aircraft in the sandpit the other day would most likely have lost this one completely. That pilot is an ace and you are a wise-ass. - Dan
     
      Conspiracy!!!!
    04/12/2007 10:57
    What a pleasure for Mango and SAA to get all Nationwides business... tsk tsk... something is rotten here... In Africa, nothing is as it seems... - Steve
     
      A little off topic, but JD
    04/12/2007 10:57
    this was a good one - "then maybe the Metro police can also enjoy their festive season. " From what I've heard and seen they've already been having their festive season all year. Yes, Bongani I think you?re spot on with this one ? most of our respected and qualified aviation engineers moved on leaving use with the under qualified to try and keep up. But then that seems to be the trend in most professional fields in SA. - Helpus
     
      Look ma no engine, I mean hands!
    04/12/2007 11:00
    It sounds like another point-the-finger blame game to me. No-one wishes to assume the responsibilty of this one. I mean who would? Interesing how the other airlines have remained fairly quiet. I wonder why? They hiding something too? Poor maintenance plans? - MP3
     
      Skill
    04/12/2007 11:01
    You had credibility until I read "It was not the pilot's expert skill that saved the day" - P Basson
     
      That Pilot should get a medal..
    04/12/2007 11:09
    Nice article, but disagree with your comments re the pilot. That arcraft was still climbing out from t/off, and thus had high power settings, flaps and slats depoloyed with a high fuel load on board. The yaw effects at the point of engine seperation must have been huge, but this guy caught it in time. He also performed a go-around on one engine with an overweight aircraft and landed safely. The man is a hero. - Johan
     
      A long time coming
    04/12/2007 11:11
    This is what happens when you lease +-30yr old aircraft.The 737-200 entered service in 1968 and was discon. in 1988. I think the South African public are being taken for a ride(err..flight). For years American and European airlines have been dumping their old aircraft in Africa. Most systems can be retrofitted but metal fatigue cannot be reversed. These planes expand and contract by 15% on entering rarified air and returning. These planes have a limited structural design life. - The Disciple
     
      Not a BEE/AA thing !!!!!
    04/12/2007 11:12
    Its obvious from some of these replies,some think all these disasters are as a result of Affirmative Action or BEE pilots.On aircrafts maintainance is PLATINUM so if the company decide to skip it to minimize expenses & boost profits = Recipe for these disasters.That's what the article above is emphasizing,so take off your prejudice & read and respond to real facts. - Pat
     
      engines from heaven
    04/12/2007 11:30
    what are we complaining about? we have known for a long time already, that the quota system will start to bite us in the arse one day. JM - Jeffrey Mtui
     
      CAA
    04/12/2007 11:56
    The CAA did not ground Nationwide because of the engine incident, they were grounded due to apparent 'insufficient adminstrational systems' referring to their maintenance processes. Also strange how 2 of the top CAA bosses have just been sacked... - Greg
     
      Fort Hare Airport?
    04/12/2007 12:06
    Possibly the incident in the article happened at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago and not at Fort Hare in the Eastern Cape? - Leon
     
      Nationwide
    04/12/2007 12:09
    I have wondered how long will this so called lo-cost carriers getaway with there bulls#$@. maintenance, at last it catches up with them - ceu
     
         
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