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Nice article. 04/12/2007 09:12
Thanks Con, good article. Let me just tell you that I have never been on a plane and will be flying for the first time overseas these holidays so reading an article gives me confidence that the my flight will be just fine..lol...In other words, I'm gonna sh!t myself when I step on the plane with all thsi ongoing drama. - Phatboy |
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RE: Airsafety 04/12/2007 09:12
Why all this hype about air safety??? Why not more hype about taxi and truck maintenance! After all, more people die on our roads every year! - knersus |
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I don't know... 04/12/2007 09:15
if an engine stops working thats one thing but if it falls off now that sounds extra serious to me - skarr.. |
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Safety in general 04/12/2007 09:32
I agree with knersus, why do we always wait for the accident then act as though everyone is guilty except the guilty. Should the Dept of Transport not check the safety of all forms of public transport this time of the year, then maybe the Metro police can also enjoy their festive season. If you really want an experience - fly internally in some of the African states!!! - JD |
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Its Shocking , ,,, 04/12/2007 09:33
I wont set my foot on any Local African airline ,Their standards If any is just not worth me or my families lives ,I wonder where all our respected an qualified aviation engineers are ? Oh yeah that's right Australia and NZL Why would they hang around here and get "abused" LOL they not stupid after all !!
- Bongani |
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Planes are like cars 04/12/2007 09:34
I believe that planes should be scrapped when they reach a certain number of flying hours, and not refitted. Also, how sure are we that SAA isn't just playing dirty tricks with Nationwide, much like BA did to Virgin.
Oh, and an engine is more likely to fall out of a car than a plane. Just Google 'Mazda mps faulty engine mountings'... - Dillon |
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Shear bolts 04/12/2007 09:38
I was flying Nationwide 2 weeks ago and was sitting next to a private pilot on the plane. He said that the engines are built with specific shear bolts so that when stresses are too great (which would otherwise snap off the wing) like when a large object flies into the engine, the bolts shear and then the engine falls off. They are built this way for safety. He didnt seem to think there was anything untoward with the incident. It seems he may have been wrong.... - DW |
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Nationwide 04/12/2007 09:40
Con, interesting article but flawed in some areas, it WAS the pilots skill that saved the day, another pilot may have not been as sucessful despite receiving similar training, the jet had a high drag configuration with the primary hydraulics lines severed,it was difficult weather with rain and low cloud - that pilot despite as u say being trained for it did an incredible job. The investigation has not been completed so don't assume, initial findings are metal fatigue.. - Perry |
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I smell a rat... 04/12/2007 09:50
Sabotage if you ask me! - John |
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Eish..where to now 04/12/2007 09:56
Is it a coincidence that shortly after SAA announced their financial losses and the subsequent reduction in personnel - that the wheel, eish sorry, the engine, fell off the aviation sector? Today, it is said that paid-up Nationwide passengers can claim their money back-they must wait 6 weeks-how long are the Dec holidays? Eish!! - JD |
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Do Just 04/12/2007 10:03
Engines don't just fall off..... but official do just get appointed! (You read between the lines!) - Martin |
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Scary 04/12/2007 10:13
I saw a similar incident on Discovery Channel's 'seconds from disaster' programme where a Boeing 747 lost its engine and crashed into a block of flats in the Netherlands.Unfortuately many lives were lost. - MAXX2 |
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Air Safety 04/12/2007 10:17
Well done on giving the man in the street a bit of insight into the aviation world.
I think any person of reasonable intelligence thought at the time that it was not a 'normal accident' if an engine falls off!!!! This article cemented those thoughts. I do however think that the Civil Aviation Authority is not innocent in this debacle and should be called to account as well. Why did it take a loss of engine for them to ground the fleet?? What is the CAA relationship with SAA? How impartial are they? Just a thought, use it ? lose it!
- jakes |
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Birdstrike? 04/12/2007 10:20
Safety isn't done once a year, it's a constant on-going thing. There are dozens of checks even on a small 2 seater. Visual inspection when approaching the aircraft, electrics check, Pre-flight, engine run-up, vital actions before take off, then there are all the checks in-flight.
If all planes were scrapped when they reached a certain age, we wouldn't have the privilege of having the Shackleton or the C47 flying anymore.
Was there a birdstrike?
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=pw+jt8d - Jim |
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Never see me there! 04/12/2007 10:21
Will never set foot in a plane! These things are just built with fly-by-night material, they are good for nothing!I knew all along that something was fishy with all these planes! - Sello |
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Bongani 04/12/2007 10:22
If you follow news you will realise that aircraft accidents happen more overseas than here , but then it's futile to convince people who are ALWAYS negative about this country. - Godfrey |
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Nationwide 04/12/2007 10:28
I am also wondering about what Dillon suggested. We all know what BA did to Virgin, who says this is just not a ploy from one of the competitor airlines in SA? I fly Nationwide regularly and their service surpass any other domestic airline's service. - Peter |
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Interesting 04/12/2007 10:31
As an Aeronautical engineer, i must agree with Perry. Yes, the engines are designed to shear off under extreme drag conditions, but a flamed out motor or bird strike is not one of those conditions. A foreign object that would cause that, would DESTROY the motor. with plenty off fireworks to be seen. Metal fatigue is the best explanation. Even shear pins have failed due to metal fatigue (Netherlands 747). Metal fatigue is a cancer for older aircraft. - shaun |
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It was not the pilot's expert skill that saved the day ... 04/12/2007 10:35
Bull...t !!!! Every one of those passengers owe there lives to a pilot who managed to save his aircraft on rotation while droppoing an engine. Not just losing power as they are trained to do. Weight distribution imbalances, a barrage of crises and a co-pilot with one week's experience on that particular aircraft did not help him. The pilot who parked his/her aircraft in the sandpit the other day would most likely have lost this one completely. That pilot is an ace and you are a wise-ass. - Dan |
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Conspiracy!!!! 04/12/2007 10:57
What a pleasure for Mango and SAA to get all Nationwides business...
tsk tsk... something is rotten here...
In Africa, nothing is as it seems...
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A little off topic, but JD 04/12/2007 10:57
this was a good one - "then maybe the Metro police can also enjoy their festive season. " From what I've heard and seen they've already been having their festive season all year.
Yes, Bongani I think you?re spot on with this one ? most of our respected and qualified aviation engineers moved on leaving use with the under qualified to try and keep up. But then that seems to be the trend in most professional fields in SA. - Helpus |
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Look ma no engine, I mean hands! 04/12/2007 11:00
It sounds like another point-the-finger blame game to me. No-one wishes to assume the responsibilty of this one. I mean who would? Interesing how the other airlines have remained fairly quiet. I wonder why? They hiding something too? Poor maintenance plans? - MP3 |
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Skill 04/12/2007 11:01
You had credibility until I read "It was not the pilot's expert skill that saved the day"
- P Basson |
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That Pilot should get a medal.. 04/12/2007 11:09
Nice article, but disagree with your comments re the pilot. That arcraft was still climbing out from t/off, and thus had high power settings, flaps and slats depoloyed with a high fuel load on board. The yaw effects at the point of engine seperation must have been huge, but this guy caught it in time. He also performed a go-around on one engine with an overweight aircraft and landed safely. The man is a hero. - Johan |
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A long time coming 04/12/2007 11:11
This is what happens when you lease +-30yr old aircraft.The 737-200 entered service in 1968 and was discon. in 1988. I think the South African public are being taken for a ride(err..flight). For years American and European airlines have been dumping their old aircraft in Africa.
Most systems can be retrofitted but metal fatigue cannot be reversed. These planes expand and contract by 15% on entering rarified air and returning. These planes have a limited structural design life. - The Disciple |
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Not a BEE/AA thing !!!!! 04/12/2007 11:12
Its obvious from some of these replies,some think all these disasters are as a result of Affirmative Action or BEE pilots.On aircrafts maintainance is PLATINUM so if the company decide to skip it to minimize expenses & boost profits = Recipe for these disasters.That's what the article above is emphasizing,so take off your prejudice & read and respond to real facts. - Pat |
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engines from heaven 04/12/2007 11:30
what are we complaining about? we have known for a long time already, that the quota system will start to bite us in the arse one day. JM - Jeffrey Mtui |
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CAA 04/12/2007 11:56
The CAA did not ground Nationwide because of the engine incident, they were grounded due to apparent 'insufficient adminstrational systems' referring to their maintenance processes. Also strange how 2 of the top CAA bosses have just been sacked... - Greg |
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Fort Hare Airport? 04/12/2007 12:06
Possibly the incident in the article happened at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago and not at Fort Hare in the Eastern Cape? - Leon |
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Nationwide 04/12/2007 12:09
I have wondered how long will this so called lo-cost carriers getaway with there bulls#$@. maintenance, at last it catches up with them - ceu |
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