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Its Smeeee
03/01/2008 11:19
Let Justice take its course I say! - Legz |
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If Zuma wasn't guilty...
03/01/2008 11:26
He would just accept the court case, and prove himself innocent. As a politician, IF you are guilty of fraud, the government should confiscate ALL your assets, and kick you out of the country. - Sinudeity |
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Zuma: Only courts must decide
03/01/2008 11:29
Well written, Rivaan. And can I express the hope that it will be in front of a judge of the calibre of Hilary Squires, who was able to give the most masterly, thoughtful and logical summing up I have ever had the privilege to read when dealing with the Schabir Shaik case? - Dave Robbins |
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Zuma
03/01/2008 11:32
Base of re-action of Zuma suppoters its seems they know that their man is not innocent. Why they want charges to be dropped. Zuma must face the music - Sonic |
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everything in SA goes
03/01/2008 11:32
that is the unfortunate thing. We can no longer trust JUSTICE in SA. One guy clocks 257 km/ph on his speedometer, he gets R7000 fine, another clocks 250 and he gets R20 000 fine and is threatened to have is car impounded. You kill someone, you are out in two days, cause the docket disappeared, you don't pay a traffic fine and you get thrown into jail .. GREAT JUSTICE 'Martin Luther King" maybe in America ! - Solly |
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Very testing year 2008
03/01/2008 11:35
Very well written Rivaan.
I fear if Costatu strikes during his trial it could have serious implications on the stability of our country. There is no such thing as a stable democracy in Africa - just look at Kenya! - Concerned Citizen |
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Agree wholeheartedly
03/01/2008 11:35
I totally agree with Rivaan. If he is so innocent, why is he fighting so hard to suppress evidence of the diary and the documents which were siezed. If he is innocent, then nothing in any of these documents will prove otherwise, so let the evidence be presented. His constant attempts to suppress this evidence merely makes one come to the logical conclusion that he has something to hide, hence our demand that it goes to court and everything comes out. - DW |
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Two separate issues
03/01/2008 11:35
Whether Zuma is innocent on this charge and whether he is an appropriate President, are 2 different things.Re this charge he must have his day in court and we must stop talking as if he is guilty - everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Re the Presidency, any civilised electorate would already have enough facts. His own testimony showed: He sleeps around indiscriminately, cares little about AIDS prevention, takes the legal system lightly. Can he address immorality and crime? - Pieter Joubert |
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A very pertinent question, Rivaan...
03/01/2008 11:37
But we all know the answer I guess. Zuma's silence is deafening on this one. He's gonna ride out this trial (i.e. be acquitted) on the coat-tails of his rabbles' threats of violence. - John |
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that is one thing I will NEVER understand
03/01/2008 11:38
people keep on supporting leaders whom they like REGARDLESS of what they have done. Is it just brainwashing? Stupidity? Do they just 'follow the crowd'? Follow the masses even if they are wrong? Even IF Zuma is found to be guilty of ALL offences, you will still find him to have millions of supporters, just like auntie WINNIE!! Does the word STOMPIE mean anything to you? - David |
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...been coming a long time now...
03/01/2008 11:38
so what is with the suprise of it being made official and now finally going to court?How can you/we discredit someone with all these charges lined up behind him?The option has been given to start earlier but his lawyers have said no?Let the courts will decide and then we will have another discussion!!! - Ims |
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I agree 100%
03/01/2008 11:42
I wish Zuma would also stop his attempts to delay the delivery of justice. Let the Mauritius diary come back here! Another absurd claim from his friends is that the case is unfair as it has taken so long to bring to court since he was first charged. They forget than Zuma has been challenging every attempt to get the evidence brought to court. - David R |
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well said!
03/01/2008 11:46
Congratulations Rivaan! I could not say it better! Let law bring to light what is truth! Let justice prevail! - Rey |
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Zuma
03/01/2008 11:47
problem is that his hooligan supporters will cause chaos when he is convicted. cosatu in kzn have admitted there will be bloodshed and that they will not be responsible for the action of their supporters. should we be intimidated or flee or take action ourselves? lets see how far we can be pushed - Sakkie |
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Sakkie - true, what would they choose?
03/01/2008 11:52
I have heard a good joke during the holidays: "what is the difference between fleeing and emigrating" .. ? TIMING!! - Goodone |
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Chaos in Africa....
03/01/2008 11:55
elections/voting will soon follow suite like the rest of Africa, where looting violence and warfare will be the order of the day if the majority is not satisfied with its choice of leadership even if its leader is a scoundrel and a rogue. - navs |
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Justice is blind just like love
03/01/2008 11:58
I initially felt uncomfortable when jz and crew went to extra lengths to try to ptrevent access to mauritius docs,this seriously makes one wonder why do that if you feel you innocent???The fact that supporters are willing to cause chaos if he's guilty proves that the country is in a sad state.Where have all the political leaders with voices of reason gone???I cry for SA!! - realist |
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What court
03/01/2008 11:59
Rivaan, what court ? and who control the courts ? Who appoints judges ? Look at the bigger picture broer.
If there was independence in courts, then I'll say he must go answer to the courts...but now...Eish SA. - Doc |
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the truth
03/01/2008 11:59
I agree with riyaan,if the man is innocent,why wont he's supporters let him go to court,do thet know something that whe don't?I think so otherwise why would they keep trying to keep him out of court,makes one think doesnt it? - nicky |
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navs -- i agree
03/01/2008 12:00
if all governments in Africa were so 'democratic' why all the chaos? Kenia is in total chaos as we speak, Somalia, Rwanda, Uganda .. please . tell me how did they get into power and stay there? If the South Africans claim that the MAJORITY should rule, why doesn't it work in other African states where the MAJORITY rules? Maybe the definition of majority has a new meaning. Break down and Rule (by the masses) - Majory |
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The real issue...........
03/01/2008 12:00
There is more to this,the arms deal involved billions,and using selective justice is the real problem. Many people benefited, and If JZ goes down, everyone involved must go down as well.There are issues of the iol gate scandal as well,by the way,what happened to millions that disappeared there. We should ask questions such as "who was involved", I'm sure some unexpected names will popup. - PAT |
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Zuma
03/01/2008 12:01
Why is it that the trial is only able to start in August? Cmon if the NPA have their ducks in a row this time surely the trial can proceed now? Not that is will make any difference the ignorant masses will always vote for the most corrupt officials anyway! That's the way it works in Africa. - Linda |
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Zuma already failed
03/01/2008 12:01
In history if a politician faced any kind of criminal investigation, he would with held himself from any election. Zuma already failed this test, the ANC failed by voting for someone with absolutely no integrity looking at his actions, now it is the people's turn to show how they feel about justice in this country. When it is proven that Jacob is quilty will all his moron followers accept the outcome of his. I don't think so! - Sam |
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WE HAVE NO CHOICE....
03/01/2008 12:02
if Zuma does not win the presidential seat, there will be widespread violence, looting, and destruction of property by the uncivilized miilions of fans. If Zuma does get convicted for his roles in whatever part he played, the scenario would develop into the same. So the question is are we going to be faced with a BOB for the next 28 years??? or can we make a difference now and secure a democratic future.... - dada |
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You are giving investors ideas
03/01/2008 12:07
I feel all of your concerns, all of you are scared of what might be , Mandela was elected SA press what happened people immigrated, Trevor Manuel was minister of finance the rand become weak, Tito governor???..
The sad thing about all of this is, that the people who always whined are not foreign but are South African.......... - The most |
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EXCELLENT ARTICLE!!
03/01/2008 12:08
I couldn't agree with the author more so. Why his supporters keep trying to smear anyone and everyone who questions Zuma speaks for itself. He MUST face a court, and hopefully, justice will prevail. Otherwise, God help this beautiful country... - Fed Up! |
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Literature
03/01/2008 12:08
I throughly enjoyed your style of language. Keep it up! Also keep up the democratic critisism. - Joey |
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Clear thinking
03/01/2008 12:12
Rivaan, I really enjoy your balanced and clearly expressed points of view. You cut through the emotional bias so often apparent in this forum to present a rational argument. It is a pity that so many respondents are unable to comment with the same intellectual vigour. Keep it up! - outsidr |
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COURTS?????
03/01/2008 12:15
Only the courts must decide - what a statement to make in this country! Injustice, crime, violence, all this is the facebook of SA. The courts have double standards, are inconsistant, the government ignores crime - Please man, Aug is a long way away and much will change before the trial starts and who will pay for the fiasco. - JD |
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Democracy
03/01/2008 12:15
Well written Rivaan. In this country the justice system failed us. This democracy is all about greed, power struggle, fraud, the list is endless. - k_m |
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Many other skeletons
03/01/2008 12:20
Good stuff Rivaan. However, I find it amusing that while many evidently say they agree, the bigoted and (clearly) prejudiced ones, have clearly decided that comrade JZ is guilty. It really is a lose-lose situation because even if he is acquitted, they will say that the judiciary is prejudiced. I agree with COSATU in their call for an independent inquiry into the entire arms fiasco. Methinks there are many other skeletons in the cupboard... - saliem |
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A Guilty Conscience Needs No Accuser!!!
03/01/2008 12:20
First shocking to note that A DJ hasn't yet come in with his usual its all cause were black rhetoric, it makes for a pleasent change. To the point, like the subject of my comment states, if he were truely innocent and felt that he had nothing to hide he'd have gone ahead with this a long time ago, instead we find a man resisting letting the truth out, Hmmmm... I wonder why. Might it be he's not as clean as he claims. Me thinks I smells a RAT!!! - Cynic |
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ZUMA - NO CREDIBILITY
03/01/2008 12:21
How can any intelligent person defend the ability of Zuma to be the next President of RSA? Madiba our first President has a degree in Law Mbeki has a masters degree in Economics from Oxford University and Zuma did not even had any formal schooling. How can you still protect and defend his capabilities please tell me please explain. Zuma cannot even conduct himself adequately during interviews and this same pictures are broadcasted all over the world ? what will the rest of the world think of us if we have a president who does not have the ability to converse intellectually and sounds like a mumbling frog. - colin |
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Justice must prevail, arrest Selebi as well.
03/01/2008 12:22
Zuma should face the courts, finish and klaar. It is the same double standard that has brought Mbeki down, charge and arrest Selebi to prove that he is not protected by parliament and also that the NPA is independant. I fail to see logic on failure to act on Selebi, yes, it does support elements within ANCYL that Zuma is unfairly treated, only if Mbeki were to listen and stop being stubborn and aloof. - Libembe |
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No Credibility - CERTAINLY!
03/01/2008 12:28
Colin, you make a very valid point. Here is a man with a Grade 6 education and a highly doubtful sense of morality, not to mention intellect, who is on the verge to leading this country as it's PRESIDENT! If thats not a shame then I just don't know what is anymore. How can anyone ever say that JZ will make a good Prez. He will simply sit there, looking lost, and stare at the face of his (questionable) "advisors." - Renz |
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Rivaan....
03/01/2008 12:39
...I would vote for you as president boet. This country, or this continent rather, seems doomed. - Zee |
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JZ madness
03/01/2008 12:45
Pity there are so many uneducated idiots that are supporting the wrong persons -- Hello Zim here we come...... - Friar Tuck |
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Heh Heh Heh
03/01/2008 12:48
Hey Rivaan, Stop overanalysing. This is the problem we have with our new "talking heads". Gloss sumting in da media and we become automatic experts. Rivaan, word of advice, speak or engage with those YOU accuse of opportunism. A little bit of intellectual/mental massage won't hurt. ie if you are able to hold your own.Also have you ever heard of anyone anywhere threatening to charge you once they have enough evidence to do so. Cmon a little bit of independent thinking and maybe research will help. - Cape Town Kid |
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Oh please get a life
03/01/2008 12:48
Colin, Renz, et al please get a life. Firstly, since when did intellect have anything to do with not having a tertiary qualification? Secondly, given his background and the era that comrade JZ comes from, possession of a degree was neither a requisite nor a requirement for appointment in a leadership position. Finally, the focus of Rivaan's letter is not about the education of comrade JZ. - saliem |
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August
03/01/2008 12:50
August is still a long time to wait. By then how many of us live to see the outcome? As it is people are murdered in numbers. - k_m |
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GOD EXPOSED ZUMA LEADERSHIP
03/01/2008 12:51
Southern African citizens must understand that God is always in charge of everything including also with leadership processes.It does not matter whether we belive or not,But God always has the final say about the New President of South Africa. Look at the Bible how God appointed Kings, Setraps,Prime Ministers and e.t.c. God is angry with someone has corruption, defects and e.t.c Who would like to lead the good citizen of S.A with the mentioned qualities.South Africa is a Christian Country. - Success |
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What on earth are you sniffing?
03/01/2008 13:01
Goodness success, what on earth have you been sniffing? - saliem |
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On the whole
03/01/2008 13:04
I agree. The NPA believe there's enough evidence to support laying of charges and therefore the screeching protesters should act in accordance with their own wishes - they want justice and democracy, so let the system do its thing. However, the statements about "if he has nothing to hide" don't really hold water. I may be innocent of crimes, but that doesn't mean I should just let the police in to search my house if they feel like it, for example. - C |
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Let dis peer van n ou called Jakob Zombo gan SIT!!!
03/01/2008 13:05
Ignorant massas will always vote for the corrupt stupid cos he will always told them to mimimise the risk,Mbeki dont worry we the coloured people will always be behind u expect 4 those greedy coloured peere 4rom the Zombo Camp - Clino |
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Courts must decide
03/01/2008 13:08
Even a child of five years will tell you that JZ will not receive a fair trial. What worries people is that the ANC will never recover from this crisis. It is facing a spectacular collapse because of greed, women rights, same sex marriages, childrens rights and desregard/desrespect of the word of God. - Johannes Mabena |
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TAKE IT TO BRAODWAY
03/01/2008 13:13
How about JZ and the ANC Youth League,arrange a karaokee with the theme "I'm innocent" and flavour it with the national anthem "Ushuni Wham" - clifton |
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having your day in court
03/01/2008 13:17
Zuma supporters wanted him to have his day in court when it came to the rape charges, why not now? Is there any difference?
Also, if the behaviour of his supporters at his rape trial are anything to go by, then we are in for some right royal entertainment come August. - Lee |
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Success
03/01/2008 13:19
Ummm... Success, a country can't belong to a religion since it's just an area of land. People who live in the country can belong to a religion, but even then, it's certainly far from the truth that all South Africans are christian. Even those that are belong to a large number of different denominations that don't see eye to eye. - C |
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Please!!!
03/01/2008 13:20
Please 'Success' this is not a church rally, this is about the corruption in our country. There's more that just Christians living here. i wonder if people like Mandela watch this disgusting government and think about all the great ANC old guards, like Hani, Tambo and Sisulu and remember how they gave their lives to fight the cause only to allow a bunch of morons that now make up the party line their pockets at the expense of the poor. They have let their comrades down and don't care about it. - kam |
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Saliem
03/01/2008 13:20
Saliem ? just as stupid as your comrade Zuma. How can you rape someone and afterwards take a shower to prevent yourself from contracting HIV, and this is the person who will be the future leader of our country. Lekker dom ne - colin |
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Delay
03/01/2008 13:23
The delay of the trial until August is due to the backlog in our judicial system. They need a block of open court time for their estimation of how long the courtcase will take.
Success, I hate to tell you this but God is interested in His own kingdom. He doesn't involve himself in the politics of earth except where it furthers His kingdom. What we sow here we will reap, so if we are stupid enough to elect corrupt officials, we have to live with the consequences. Don't blame it on Him... - DW |
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to Cape Town Kid
03/01/2008 13:33
U r a hipocrite! Rivaan put forward his side of an arguement, and then u accuse him of not having the facts straight. Well, your little paragraph did not offer any contradictions, counter-arguments, or facts! Stand up and write your own column with 'your facts'!! To all u JZ supporters, the arms deal saga started years ago and not just in the last few months during ANC elections! Just ask Schabir or Chippie! Where there's smoke there's fire! - Fuzz |
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