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Against all odds yet Msholozi remains unscathed?.You would love to hate him..
08/01/2008 08:56
If you never believe that a man can survive all odds and yet remains a champion then glance at Msholozi, without any formal qualification yet honored a doctor and a chancellor by those deemed to be of intellectual status. His campaign dubbed a tsunami brigade proved to be a success and in favour of the people. The attempted prosecution by the judiciary system has failed to lay a charge against the man known for his signature struggle song mshiniwam and the rape charges all fell on the way side. an inspirational commander of the former MK solders. When Pres.Mbeki and other qualified politicians like naledi pandoor spend their time studying he magnanimously he sacrificed his personal development for the struggle against apartheid regime in vanguard as a commander and intelligent services advisor. he remains a hero in the hearts of many South Africans, and deservingly he is rewarded and commands respect from his peers and critics today?what else can we say bravo comrade JZ?.we would love to hate you for the love of God congratulations.. - Kolobe |
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which South African am i
08/01/2008 08:56
without doubt i am totally against a ZUMA presidency for a number of reasons, and the most crucial one being the current corruption case that he still needs to answer to. His trademark song also says a lot about the guy's maturity, how on earth do you want your MACHINE GUN? are we heading for KENYA? ZUMA go be with your plenty wives - CAREFUL |
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I am gatvol
08/01/2008 08:57
Thats what I am. I dont care much for politics. The two choices we have are 1) Hiv does not cause aids or 2) Taking a shower can not give one hiv after sex or even better a corrupt health minister and police chief to a corrupt president.
I think the real issue here is why even vote? All politicians are crooks and yet we eat as many lies as they can throw us. Even if i voted, it would be useless as my vote does not count. An extra 2 seats for party B can easily floor croos to another party. - Yucca |
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I agree with everything except......
08/01/2008 08:57
Couldn't agree more except for one small thing - the group that supports Zuma is not "new". Although in fairness you also used quotes. This group has been bubbling below the surface right back to the 1994 elections. They may even have been a majority all along. I think its hardly likely that Zuma and his supporters will allow him the "hassle" of going to court - will be interesting to see how they achieve this! - packed for Perth |
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Ammunition for their cause
08/01/2008 08:58
I agree with your assessment of Zuma but as long as the NPA is seen to be a tool in Mbeki's hands the Zuma supporters will not believe anything that they present. Why could Zuma be charged so shortly after his election, in the holiday period, but the minister's "permission" is required to charge Selebi, which has not yet been forthcoming? As long as there is discrimination in this situation you are not going to convince Zuma supporters that there is anything but a plot against him. - DW |
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Type of South-African
08/01/2008 08:58
Let me tell you why transformation won't work, because of people like you!!! It's got absolutely nothing to do with your point of view on Zuma, which Super14 side you support or anything else. At the end of the day it depends on the person and his own believes. It's not to say that because the old regime came to an end people will change. Stop branding people into 2 groups again, you're starting to sound like Verwoerd - Danny |
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Im off!
08/01/2008 08:58
All this is exactly why i am packing for Aus. Enough. - andrew |
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which type of South African are you?
08/01/2008 09:00
I wonder if people of colour will ever recognise intellectual capacity of an African man, an African traditional man, a man who has strong links with the African tradition. South Africa is devide accross the racial and tribal lines, however, to undermine the intellectual capacity of an individual just because he has strong links to the African tradition is insulting to all Africans, yes I mean Africans, Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, Venda, Pedi, etc. My friend your article is insulting to all Africans. - Bonjo |
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Well done!
08/01/2008 09:02
Riviaan, i really enjoy reading your stuff, well written.
Firstly, about JZ's trial, if Mr Sheik was found innocent i wouldn't care if JZ went to court or not...however!! Secondly, when JZ finally gets his day in court that he has been 'asking' for (but continually trying to delay) unless he his found innocent a large number of people will cry 'unfair trail'. With the amount of publicity this debarcle is recieving the due process of law will be under so much scrutiny that the trail will most probably be fair! The dep pres of the ANC is ar better equiped to run our country than JZ anyway! Cosatu militancy scares me too! Peace out comrades! - DWP |
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Welcome to Africa my Indian friend
08/01/2008 09:05
Seems that many people here still can't fathom the benefits that "transparency, justice, and democracy" hold for them (see e.g. Kenya). It is just empty rethoric that served them to attain their goals, which seem eerily similar to getting your neighbour's cattle and eating it in one go. The principle that you can, through hard work, make your own cattle breed and multiply, making your wealth grow in the process and providing for the future, seems to have escaped them. - anony mouse |
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Bitter Tears
08/01/2008 09:06
South Africa is still going to cry bitter tears for not selecting a future leader like Cyril and Tokyo to lead this country. - Gia |
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JZ
08/01/2008 09:07
I look at the ANC with it proud history and traditions. I then look at the their president and think "Is this the best they can do?
I have not been a supporter of the ANC, but respected the way they have governed the country, but the respect has gone and it has been replaced with absolute amazement. What are they thinking?
I am not very confident of their NEC with Winnie and Tony there. It seems it is a meeting of crooks incorporated.
Wow how things have changed....and will change.
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The Zuma Saga
08/01/2008 09:08
I admit I never read this letter as I'm tired of reading about Zuma, ANC, etc. Something that really bothers me is that yesterday on the News via radio it was stated that if Zuma is found guilty, people would retaliate causing havoc and BLOODSHED, my God, who are they gonna do this to? Please pray for us you people sitting in Perth. - MP4 |
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stand up and be counted
08/01/2008 09:08
Good article Rivaan! This is cleary not only about Zuma, the supporters he has need to be painted with the same proverbial brush for accepting, supporting and defending the undeniable lack of moral fabric that is Jacob Zuma. Those who still support the ANC clearly accept and support the gross misconduct of it's leadership. I am not a Zuma (ANC) supporter! - Antelope |
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categories of people
08/01/2008 09:11
Another way of putting people in 1 out of 2 categories is: there are people who like a warm, enthousiastic leader who speaks their language and people who like an intellectual, reasoned and quiet leader. Popularity is often not reasoned: Hitler, Diana, Mugabe, Mandela...history is full of examples. - Benzo |
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Platitudes from Rivaan
08/01/2008 09:15
What a load of platitudes Rivaan... riddled with generalisations and half-baked truths. For starters, get 1 thing straight, what you see with comrade JZ is what you get. Yes he made silly mistakes, but at least he is not ashamed to hide from his roots like TM. If TM had not spent so much time gallivanting around the globe (to fuel his already inflated ego), South Africans might not have been forced into this debate. Also, people continue to pursue the education thing ? well look at what his education has done for TM (ridiculous AIDS theories, et al). Ag nee man, sies Rivaan? - saliem |
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Kolobe? a question...
08/01/2008 09:19
Do you have no doubt in your mind whether JZ is guilty or innocent? What if he is truely guilty? Would he still recieve your unfathomable support? You know as much as the rest of the country about his innocence/guilt. The courts must decide, and i will accept their decision. Despite some of the admirable stuff he has done in the struggle that does not make him innocent, fit to run a country or a good leader. Likewise it doesn't make him guilty, so let the courts decide before blind faith and un-moving support/threats (of bloodshed if found guilty) are made. Peace out comrades! - DWP |
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Which South African are you?
08/01/2008 09:20
Well written article, Rivaan. I also look at my personal ethics and try and see myself in the other persons shoes, in this case Jacob Zuma. Where I deviate from JZs approach is that I see that personal wealth growth is playing a part in all his decisions, he has been in contact with some dubious characters (one of whom has been sent to jail), and he is potentially hiding evidence from the state prosecutors. These make me uneasy about his motives and his direction should he become president. - Dave Robbins |
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Rivaan
08/01/2008 09:22
Exceptionally well written. Congratzzz . - IceCreamMan |
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Apartheid is to blame
08/01/2008 09:22
As much as us White Folk hate to hear, in a strange way Apartheid is actually the reason we're in this mess. It was the Apartheid leaders of the past who denied the black people decent education. Now these same black people have grown up poorly uneducated & very easily influenced and they're the one's who hold the power of the vote, purely because of their numbers. Education is Power and unfortunatly the Govt. still doesn't seem to realise this, or maybe they do..... - UK Bound |
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Rivaan, Rivaan, Rivaan?..
08/01/2008 09:23
1st of all I don?t like Zuma but if he is democratically elected I must live with that, and therefore cant question the people who elected him. Its called accepting defeat maybe you should try it. I think the courts need to establish whether any money was transferred from Zuma for Shabir to make those payments before we conclude on the matter. I just don?t like the way Sunday Times conducts itself, I mean cant they wait for August???? - Mlu |
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Zuma
08/01/2008 09:23
Its rather strange that the people complaining that a Zuma Presidency will hurt South Africa are the same people who continued to vote for either the National Party for more than 40 years despite the world outcry againt apartheid. - qhubeka |
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JZ
08/01/2008 09:25
How much are you paid to for your dirty tricks on Zuma.Every time you write is about JZ and very negative.I have never hear you saying bad thing about your old goverment.They were murderers,corrupt,rapists.They used to rape our mothers and sisters and you never condemed the act.When the regime warlord,your vlok,malan are being charge you deem it unfair and you quetion the legal system,and ask for charges to be dropped.When a farmer kills a black and get a fine is OK. - Eric |
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Obsession
08/01/2008 09:26
I get the impression u bored to death with ur life. U eat, breath, sleep, talk JZ nothing else. Ur focus on JZ is actually onesided and based purely on allegations that still need to be tested in the court of law. I think u luv uMsholozi. Its called obsession chief. - Me |
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Roopnarain
08/01/2008 09:28
We now have a weekly tirade by this man about how bad Zuma and his presidency is/will be for South Africa. We have heard you, thank you very much. Can we now move on? This world has been and still is full of morally, intellectually and criminally questionable presidents (the USA comes to mind), who have caused more harm to mankind than Zuma will ever do. Remember, Mandela (now "our beloved Madiba"!) was a terrorist and communist who was going to bankrupt RSA by nationalising all banks and mine. - Zack |
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Worried!!
08/01/2008 09:30
Very good article, it hit the nail on the head. The fact of the matter is that no-one knows what is going to happen when he steps up to be the next president - we (the minority) can only hope that it does not end in disaster. Why is it that people believe in this man and WILL NOT, NEVER see the "light" as we do? Why?????????? - Wynand |
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Bloody racists
08/01/2008 09:31
I agree with Rivaan on a number of issues. I think his article ia well written. However, some racists (packed for Perth) have completely misconstrued his point. Incapable of reasoning beyond the colour bar, he even labels all people who voted the fascist NP out of power in 1994 Zuma supporters! Stop telling us about Perth. Just go! For over 300 years when you and your ilk treated Africans as animals you didn't even know where Australia was. There is no other place as more welcoming to racists! - Sebata |
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ANC Youth League
08/01/2008 09:31
Rivaan, yet again a fantastic article!
I would love to see you write an article on the ANC Youth league as they are possibly our future leaders and their behaviour during the whole voting process in Polokwane was not very admirable added to that they fought for what in my mind a shady man to say the least to lead our Country?
Saliem what the hell are you smoking mate? and i quote 'silly mistakes' - Sam |
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Comrade
08/01/2008 09:34
Kolobe - Comrade is a word frequently used in countries ruled by dictatorship. It is odd that so many JZ supporters used it especially describing JZ! Just something that occurred to me reading all the posts. - not a Zuma supporter |
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We face a defining moment in our democracy.
08/01/2008 09:34
Rivaan, you are getting ahead of yourself, you have been writing about the same topic for sometime now. Please be creative and find something to write about. I will agree with DW, whilst I'm Zuma supporter, I feel he has been unfairly dealt with. Selebi was supposed to have been arrested, and still nothing, yet Zuma has been conveniently re-charged. The man deserves his day in court, however the manner in which the NPA is operating lend credence to what the Vavi, Mbalula and Blade have been saying i.e. there's a third force. Zuma will make a poor president due to malfeasance engulfing him - Libembe |
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Welcome to Africa
08/01/2008 09:35
Well thought and written, but not appropiate in Africa. We believe in the struggle, it will never end, viva JZ Viva. Africans rule, no place for anything else - Jomo |
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ONLY 2 choices?
08/01/2008 09:37
I dont appreciate being pigeonholed into those two options. Ive appealed many times for transparency etc. Lets just face it, politicians are not the right types of people to be politicians. - Sinudeity |
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qhubeka - oh please
08/01/2008 09:39
it does not mean that if someone is AGAINST ZUMA he is/was an NP supporter? Jeesh man, when are you going to get rid of the old struggle brainwashing and deal with the PRESENT instead of living in the PAST, having nothing to say ? - Ohplease |
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DWP-I do not support JZ
08/01/2008 09:46
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force..thus the Umshiniwan rhetoric mantra has won the hearts of many..DWP my friend I do not support JZ but Cyril Ramaphosa a close ally of Thabo Mbeki..I accept defeat and embrace democracy..the people have spoken in Polokwane and in 2009 I will make my statement...If my new party the ACDP(which I encourage people to read their manifesto) does not win I will also accept defeat...thats democratic.. - kolobe |
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Well Done yet Again!
08/01/2008 09:46
You have said it buddy! - Rey |
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Eric?
08/01/2008 09:50
Todays National Party is not the National party of yesterday! When has anybody said that i fine for killing somebody (Black or white, armer or not) is ok! Because a person is white does not mean they suported the old regime, look at the white support in universities to end apartheid! All crime and civil rights abuses are condemned by any person with half a brain cell. Supporters of apartheid didn't have half a brain cell, but because we question JZ's innocence does not mean we autmatically supported apartheid! Catch a wake up!!!!!!!!!!!! - DWP |
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I can see the future
08/01/2008 09:52
I can tell you now, the man is bulletproof. He will dodge all charges, come out the other side scott free, and be the next leader. Why? No idea. Some evil and sinister powergroup needs this man at the top, and will smooth the way for him. I know i'll be called a racist now, but I have to ask: is it a Xhosa vs Zulu thing? I hate the fact that a man (be he black, white or whatever colour) with so many dubious handlings and suspicions hanging over him will probably be our next president. - pshycic |
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respond to Jorno
08/01/2008 09:55
is mbeki not an african?
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kolobe - even if the people have spoken
08/01/2008 09:56
the people might not be right you know. The masses may have the final vote and say, but it does NOT mean that they are right and that it is the best for the country. What is happening en Kenia now? and in Zimbabwe? The leaders still have the support of the masses but it is NOT the BEST for them or the country or anyone! - Individual |
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Re: Not a Zuma Supporter
08/01/2008 09:58
you are wrong about the word comrade..within the ANC ranks it simply means friend and partner..No way ralated to dictatorship.. - kolobe |
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just a thought
08/01/2008 09:59
I would just like to raise a point here - I would not say we are being replaced by a breed who tolerate the illicit - the whole basis for the struggle was against laws which were unjust, and breaking these laws was necessary to be heard. this has garnered a following that breaking the law is not actually immoral, and people who do so are heros to the masses. - Benny |
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Please give Zuma a break...
08/01/2008 10:01
Zuma is not a monster he is made out to be by the 'concerned and worried' brigade. They must get over their bitterness after a bruising loss by their 'hero' at the hands of Msholozi. Don't worry Wynand there will still be life in SA even if Zuma becomes the state prez. You and your people will continue seeing your 'light'. You are the same group of people who made noises, panicked and sounded the alarm bells when the ANC was about to take over the running of the country under Mandelaa - nkosinathi |
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Which South African?
08/01/2008 10:03
So true. And as you can see from the comments, one will not get them the see through the populace views and recognize the self-gain until it is too late. Now they see JZ as the man who will take away from those that have. (As he promises.) They reason that it implies that he will give to the have-nots.
When the food stores are empty and the grain lands barren, hopefully their empty stomachs will shout louder than their need for revenge.
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silly mistakes?
08/01/2008 10:04
so is that what we are calling 4 million rand and sleeping with an HIV person knowingly these days saliem "silly mistakes"? Cant JZ supporters fathom the fact that JZ might have been corrupt? JZ supporters need to take the blinkers off let the rule of law follow its course and justice will follow, and if JZ is not guilty let him be - michael |
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Wynand
08/01/2008 10:05
what makes you think that your views are correct than those of the Zuma camp???enlighten me on that one my friend...the question is why cant we all embrace defeat and accept democracy..this is in fact the cause of all the problems in Africa..everyone who is been fairly defeated wants to blame this and that...accept and respect others democratic views..you might be againts JZ yet the majority wants him..I respect the constitution of this country my friend. - kolobe |
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RIVAAN IS RIGHT
08/01/2008 10:07
Everything that Rivaan is saying about Zuma is true. He has so much shortcomings. Everything is a fact. Leaders must lead by example. Zuma supporters are avoing the truth and they know that Rivaan is talking facts. - EtHAN |
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WAKE UP !!
08/01/2008 10:08
Zuma will never be president, this is just a side to to rid the ANC of Mbeki. - SPOT |
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Please Help
08/01/2008 10:09
Help me to understand something. Jacob Zuma aside for a moment, why the hell would Tony Y and Winnie M be elected as members of the NEC when they are both convicted criminals? Do we have no respect for the law, or is it a case of rotten morality. We should stop subtracting from previous "great things" we have done, if I commit a crime today (e.g. drunken driving, accepting a discount on a vehicle) it should not be subtracted from being a "great" ANC member previously - Sakkie |
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which side
08/01/2008 10:09
i am not a zuma fan but the events the way had
been unfolding is amazing.npa,charges,newspaper.
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well written article
08/01/2008 10:11
well, iam anti ZUMA 100%. the sixty something old Zuma must retire. he has infants to look after. he has caused nothing but disgrace and shame in this beautiful country. he must go and be with his wives and infants .not that Mbeki is an angel but we need a leader , white or black who has a clear vision for this country. - lindi |
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QHUBEKA
08/01/2008 10:11
Well dude i am a middle aged black male, who is totally opposed to ZUMA merits and not the ANC, i believe tht the ANC has plenty of good leaders and ZUMA is no such, also take a look at the pathetic ANC NEC full of ZUMA's idiotic suppoters, i wonder who will be serving in the NWC. Mbeki is not ANC he is a member, so Zuma get into a boxing ring with Mbeki and settle your scores there and stop hindering the org, we love the ANC, viva noble leadership viva - CAREFUL |
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Double Standards
08/01/2008 10:12
It is funny that we (all of us) judge JZ and his supporters for not respecting the constitution and the court of laws..at the same we (all of us) refuse to accept the democratic process of electing the party presidents and refuse to accept the freedom of choice made by polokwane delegates as set out by same constitution.. partial interpretation..JZ is the president of the ANC lets all respect that and surely he will be prosecuted.. - kolobe |
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Bonjo
08/01/2008 10:12
Since when is corruption and immorality "African" tradition!!?? - OB1 |
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Are you people serious?!!!!!!
08/01/2008 10:13
He has a corruption case PENDING!!! For heavens sake people, would you hire a man to be the CEO of a large conglomorate if he had a still to be tried corruption charge hanging over his head? If you did and he embezzeles funds are you still going to be surprised? And are you ment to be extorted into voting in a man with a cloud of questions hanging over him due to threats of bloodshed, and violence. It is you the people of SA that have allowed this, you all have a vote, CHOOSE TO USE IT!!!!!!!!!!! - A. S. Tounded |
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Before u crucify Zuma
08/01/2008 10:13
Can somebody please explain why so politicians and their buddies become millionnaires and billionnaires overnight? If the arms deal was to be investigated properly ( I mean robustly)in the same way JZ was, then some people would stop talking too much. Some will return from Australia they are reminded about the previous regime. - Lekaku |
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Eric
08/01/2008 10:14
Eric,obviously not the brightest, look at the authors name , he is not white.WAKE upye of little intelect. - MM |
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The same old story
08/01/2008 10:15
JZ has been ducking and diving, evading, throwing spanners in the law system, for many years. One Truth: WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE! His morals stink! How can you adore such an obviously devious man, and want him for President. Do you honestly think he will take this country forward, or down the drain with him. THINK FOR GOD'S SAKE. THINK INTELLIGENTLY. THINK WORTHY LIKE, MANDELA & MARTIN LUTHER KING! MEN OF HONOUR, INTEGRITY & GRIT.
STOP PLAYING THE SAME OLD RECORD, NP, APARTHEID. - Alicia |
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Surprised
08/01/2008 10:17
I will still have to live to see an amaizinf person like JZ, from no Education to a rape case baby oil shower, to corruption cases hanging over your head t a President. Halala Msholozi and the Youth League. - Maggie |
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sigh
08/01/2008 10:17
This topic has been debated time and time again.
Just sit back, and enjoy the show. I hope they do retaliate against our democracy, show the world what africans are all about.
Doesnt take a genius, look at africa, rape, murder, corruption, all in excess....
quite funny really. Give someone enough rope, they hang themselves.
Just watch them swing, get the popcorn.
I for one, am loving every minute of this. Me and my four HIV+ wifes. - Steve |
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Andrew packing for Australia
08/01/2008 10:20
Andrew you sound to be someone whose not well versed in the art of Migration. Wishing you well on your Hell-hole Journey to being a foreigner.
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Move away from apartheid
08/01/2008 10:20
C'mon Rivaan, this hatred that you are clearly reflecting is now going overboard with repeating the same story in the hope that the repetition will change our minds (clearly appears to be the strategy of this media that said so many wonderful things about the NP when the NP was governing this country)- please do some real media work for a change - Arvin |
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Kolobe..
08/01/2008 10:23
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I for one completely accept the democratic process and have no problem accepting defeat. My frustration only comes in where i see blind faith in a man of qustionable morals/innocence above people that are better qualified/better suited. - DWP |
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Dont compare
08/01/2008 10:23
Mandela coming to power to Zuma. JEEEEEZ - Mlu |
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The gravy train
08/01/2008 10:24
let's understand the need of our country more the gravy train ,masses of South african layed their lives to liberate this country, they wanted the better life and to live in peace and harmony, leaders should understand that they are in power becouse of people not becouse they deserve to be,let's not mislead our people but legislate for their benefit, ANC should understand that they are no longer the liberation movement but the ruling party their decisions should benefit all citzens of S.A. - Msiran |
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You're fool
08/01/2008 10:25
It's obvious you have a problem with South Africans of colour. You have a problem with the ANC. This is narrow minded article my friend. Very ameature. One can see right through you. I mean, the media is a transparent screen, right? - nhlilix |
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Comrade
08/01/2008 10:25
Would you stop using the word comrade if it was deemed to be offensive in a democracy? An equally emotive word is now illegal since democracy came to SA. - jack in the box |
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You are missing the point people!!!
08/01/2008 10:29
The point is not will he be president or what kind of president he will be. The point is what will the outcome of these charges be, will there be riots if he is convicted after a trail (I strongly suspect there will be), if he is not convicted what then? what is the furture if SA? Whats next? Do any of you consider your economy? It may be slowing down but its still alive and kicking think what would happen if foreign investment dried up. And what of the inffluence of leftists and communists? - A. S. Tounded |
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I am black and I am not a Zuma supporter
08/01/2008 10:30
Zuma is a disgrace for the country. He is just too much. - Not a Zuma supporter |
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He's just a better alternative
08/01/2008 10:34
Its not that I think Zuma is all that great. I just believe he is a better option than seeing Mbeki and his wicked cronies take a 3rd (and unconstitutional) term. JZ for prez ..... - Punk |
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Spot on Qhubeka and Kolobe
08/01/2008 10:35
Riviaan your article is disdainful to South Africans in general and to Black South Africans in particular! You are a minority Indian who benefitted from Apartheid and who is now attempting to be an intellectual by pigeonholing people into two types, get over yourself.I believe in transparency, justice, intergrity etc, but I am a Zuma supporterand because of your naivety you wont fathom how that is possible and this emanates from your imbecilily stereotyping and pigeonholing people. - Mdu |
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General observation
08/01/2008 10:39
Once you have read the Main article and then start to read the comments it become quite clear
Some people will never see the forrest through the trees - Hen |
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JZ
08/01/2008 10:41
I am an ANC supporter but will not vote for JZ the man is an embarrassment to our country. We need credible leader that can take us forward - fetsi |
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Hysteria
08/01/2008 10:45
This idea that a Zuma presidencey will turn SA into the next Zim is rubbish.For all his faults (and there are many) I have never heard any suggestion that JZ dipped into public funds or that he used organs of state for personal gain/to settle scores as is being done now. TM sounded like the perfect President on paper, but he leaves a legacy of inaction on HIV and ZIM and CRIME that makes all South Africans ashamed so think very carefully about what qualities are needed in a President - FairPlay |
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Right on Qhubeka
08/01/2008 10:46
People like Rivaan, lived under apartheid and did nothing, they certainly did not write these articles about the governement of their day , yet today they are able to criticise everything, and be champions of morality, I am sorry but no white person wh was old enough to toyi toyi against apartheid can preach morality as far as I am concerned.Let them go well and become 2nd rate citizens in AUS for all I care. - Phambili |
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Blind love
08/01/2008 10:46
I am 100% against Jacob Zuma's presidency, his shady past, morals etc. are questionable. Screaming that JZ is an african and leads an african life style I do not think is accurate. Our cultures do not encourage corruption, crime etc. I think JZ's supporters are blind and would not mind being lead by one of theirs(blind). Those who are threatening to spil blood I hope they know exactly who will do this dark deeds for Zuma, Mbeki etc. We will defend our families - African |
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Comrade - not a Zuma supporter
08/01/2008 10:47
Has it ever occurred to u that ur ability to reason is non-existent. Are u saying Nelson Mandela was a dictator? - Me |
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Education
08/01/2008 10:47
Jacob Zuma never attained a higher education, this does not mean he isn't intelligent. His mother could not afford to send him to school, and so most of the minimal education he received was on Robbin Island, under men like Govan Mbeki, whose son's Sussex education the ANC was paying for. He was Mbeki's partner for years before the ANC won power. He was also a key negotiator in preventing war in Kwazulu Natal before elections in 1994. Don't forget the past, because it defines the present. - Nicola |
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Yey two people who can read and actually understand the words!!!
08/01/2008 10:48
To Hen and Fetsi, Thanks a million. We are all calling into question the Honorable? Mr. JZ's credibility, (can he have any with all thats gone on) and as Hen said some people miss the point completely. This is not about Selebi, or Mbeki its about JZ, and why is he the front runner, are there no better options? I don't really care how popular you are if you are gonna run the country in which I live I'd like you to be respectable with unquestionable credentials. And Mdu thats imbecilic ok ENGLISH!! - A. S. Tounded |
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Leaders
08/01/2008 10:50
Leaders are meant to be just that, a shining example of what we would like each and every south african to represent and to embrace. Unfortunately for us all, if the whole of SA embraced Zuma's "logic", we might as well all be running around in loincloths still, singing about our machine guns and beating our chests about our many wives. - Lee |
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DWP-I fully understand you..
08/01/2008 10:52
I for one was waiting for a capable,wise,honest leader withing the ANC(by the way there are plenty) but unfortunately the people voted for JZ.because I believe that JZ is not capable enough to lead this country according to my standards..I then made a reseach amongts other political parties thus the ACDP in accordance to their manifesto were right suited for my vote..all of us can look for another party.. - kolobe |
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Exactly what is wrong with Africa
08/01/2008 10:58
In America, John Kerry was blasted out of the presidential race in 2004 because he admitted publicly that he had 'flip-flopped' on the issue of Iraq. In South Africa, our president-incumbent calls to the masses for his machine gun, has unprotected sex with an HIV positive women and has a financial advisor who is in jail for fraud. Any intellectual Zuma supporter, please explain this to me? Lets have a logical conversation - would love to hear how this makes sense??? - Flabbergasted! |
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Lethargic Read
08/01/2008 10:58
I'm more of a Tony Leon person myself... - MP3 |
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Zuma
08/01/2008 11:00
It's not about the pending case on him that scares me, but what his supporters expect from him that worries me. People like Mbalula and Sexwale what do they stand to gain? On the other hand what do Mbeki supporters stand to lose. - minzo |
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Better of 2 Evils
08/01/2008 11:01
In all fairness to the ppl that voted JZ as the new ANC leader (and ultimately the president of this country), Thabo Mbeki does not have a great track record - corrupt officials, his stance on HIV and Zim, useless ministers affecting the country in the worse possible way, crime at its worse ever in 2007, the list is endless. It cant get any worse with Zuma. This coutry needs a strong leader and the only way to see if JZ can be the leader that we need is to give him a chance?? - Anon |
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Zim, Here we Come!
08/01/2008 11:10
People like Mdu and Kolobe, just show us, that South African is full of people who will sadly never see the light of democracy. They are narcissistic and ignorant who only care for their "own empowerement." What a shame. Zim, here we come! - Fed up |
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zuma is pathetic
08/01/2008 11:11
How can these Zuma supporters actually believe that a man with his track record could do any good for the country? It does not say much for the intel |
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