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EK PRAAT DIE TAAL
06/02/2008 12:16
As you said "do unto others what you would like to be done unto you". So that means you want apartheid also to be reversed. Too late, it is siliently been happening. Anyways, I feel that a white person living in africa should learn an african lanquage and should be encouraged in all SA schools. But i also think that the government wants to secretly disband the afrikaans language because to them there is a lot of hatred towards the afrikaans language due to the past!
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so you point is?
06/02/2008 12:17
Justifying one injustice with another? The movement is to strive for children to be educated in their native tongues, now, in the new South Africa, unlike in the old.I was allways in favour of that.Frankly, mother tongue education is the best, that is proven fact.South African pupils, most of whom do are not that lucky, lag behind.That is also fact.If you want to be on the side of progress, you should really join this particular band of forward thinking Afrikaners. - kwk |
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I agree
06/02/2008 12:18
What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. - Fresh |
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Mother tongue..
06/02/2008 12:20
Maybe we should be as smart as Namibia and make ENGLISH the national language so we can all understand each other for once. - Afrikanertjie - Lutherine |
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Jaja
06/02/2008 12:20
Firstly, the school in question, Ermelo it is if I am not mistaken, is the LAST Afrikaans school left in MP. I don't have a problem with schools being multi-ligual, and I am all for mother tongue education, it is just the way that the education department is on a witchhunt to basically eradicate Afrikaans from schools. The school did not have any English teachers, logically enough being an Afrkaans school, so they even made that into a racial fiasco as the school being unwilling to teach them. - Dude |
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Valid points
06/02/2008 12:21
I agree that children should learn in their mother tongue. I believe the biggest mistake made in 1976 was insisting on English replacing Afrikaans in class rooms. Black people should have insisted on education in their mother tongue. How many English schools and tertiary institutions were forced to change their language policy? - JB |
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Level headed arguement
06/02/2008 12:21
Hi Sello. That is really a level headed arguement, and it is great to debate these matters. The main question however is, does 2 wrongs make a right? Beccause the apartheid government forced black schools to teach Afrikaans, does that mean that no more schools should be allowed to teach afrikaans? The same goes for BEE etc. I think all of it is wrong, because then what we are moving towards is a civil war, black vs white, and that is not going to help this country at all. Lets work together - Jacques |
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ACTUALY
06/02/2008 12:22
Actualy the schools were burnt down by the black kids back then,I dont see the afrikaner kids doing the same????? - RIAAN |
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Some good points
06/02/2008 12:27
Interesting how the News24 homepage made this letter sound more contraversial than what it really is.
I myself am an Afrikaner and I agree with most of your points Sello. I too think that children should have at least their primary education in their mother tongue, not only to protect our heritage but also because it has been shown to deliver better results.
Just note that the Afrikaners who attempted to force their language on other groups are by no means the same Afrikaners of today. - Cerberus |
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Pointless...
06/02/2008 12:27
Pointless argument Sello. All learners in our schools today have entered into the system post 1994. I agree that this has happened in the past, but history is supposed to teach us from the wrong-doings so that we can apply these learnings to the future. What you are implying is that the kids in our schools today have to suffer for the policies that previous generations have imposed on the country?your argument is not fair to any learner in this country, be they Afrikaans-speaking or not. - Franco |
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What's the problem
06/02/2008 12:27
Afrikaans is still available in the bilingual schools so what exactly is the problem. My kid goes to an English/Afrikaans school so it's not like they are not allowing pupils to learn in the language. - Scotty |
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Agreed
06/02/2008 12:27
I think Afrikaans as a language should be banned completely. It has had its time and is of no use in our new South Africa. - Gumada |
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Sello -- very one-sided
06/02/2008 12:28
Bantu education happened in the OLDEN DAYS, before Democracy, so try and move on. Secondly YOU are the ones supporting MOTHER TONGUE schools, so does that EXCLUDE AFrikaans? Thirdly .. you PROTEST and burnt tyres and schools against Bantu education (which did not seem to be that bad if I look at the present situation of kids not having bathrooms or tables or books) so why can't we fight for what WE want to maintain . and that is AFRIKAANS at our schools? - Sally |
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Shame..
06/02/2008 12:29
What a shame that we have idiots like Sello amongst us, Afrikaans was forced as a language, not medium of instruction, and should kids born after 1990 pay for the sins of their fathers? The Afrikaner sufferred the same fate under the British, get over it already.We will never make progress away from the Banana Republic, bring my machine gun syndrome - as long as "nuwe-apartheid" is preached by the likes of Stello.Why must "blacks" take over - and eventually destroy - all that was/is "white"?
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Another race issue...
06/02/2008 12:31
Don't people have anything better to do than write unending stories about race or racial issues? Put some effort in and write a story about art or the rain forests. Please. - Paul |
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Ai Sello!
06/02/2008 12:31
Sello, Bantu Education and Afrikaans was enforced on black people in 1976 or so. That is, count it, 30 years ago. It means I was 17 and had not yet started thinking about making babies. My children are now at school and being marginalised by the language policies of the ANC (they really should change their name to Neo-Nats). Please be careful where you lay blame. At least try to lay it at the correct door. - BlameMe |
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JB
06/02/2008 12:34
"black people should have insisted" dude WTF where have you been, have you ever heard of Hector Petersen, he "insisted" and was gunned down for his trouble. - kitchenboy |
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Two wrong make a right?
06/02/2008 12:35
I agree with what you say mostly. It was wrong for government to force languages on people. However, does that mean we should make the same mistakes again? If all that was done in the past now gets reversed by doing it to the previous oppressors I don?t see us making any progress ever. It will just be another form of reversed-racism. - Helpus |
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I agree to an extent
06/02/2008 12:35
however realize it is human nature to protect and fight for one's heritage. Therefore they should be different from the past and act differently than they are presently doing. Have designated schools for the designated languages.
Rather than overnight come and force yourself upon others. Just a thought! - Johan |
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You are missing the point!
06/02/2008 12:37
Afrikaners are upset because students are TAUGHT in English, and not HAVING TO LEARN english. The black schools from the past were allowed to teach in their language, but they had to take Afrikaans as a subject. Just as the Afrikaans schools had to take English AND an African language. - Lithium |
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Mother Tongue
06/02/2008 12:38
I agree with Sello, ie that it is better to be educated in one's mother tongue. This makes the learning experience a lot easier, and as a result we should see better results. Pratically, however, how do you achieve this when we have 11 official languages in SA, other than having schools divided in a manner based on the "official" language of teaching at that school. English, as a second language, should also be a requirement, as this is the "business language" of the world. - AT |
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Mother Tongue
06/02/2008 12:39
I agree with Sello, ie that it is better to be educated in one's mother tongue. This makes the learning experience a lot easier, and as a result we should see better results. Pratically, however, how do you achieve this when we have 11 official languages in SA, other than having schools divided in a manner based on the "official" language of teaching at that school. English, as a second language, should also be a requirement, as this is the "business language" of the world. - AT |
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Protect all languages equally.
06/02/2008 12:39
Growing under apartheid we had to learn Afrikaans. Today I converse with my colleagues' fluently (not under pressure). The problem is that Afrikaans school refuse to accommodate others, no-one takes Afrikaans away from them, it's their culture protected by the constitution. They should however learn that Afrikaanse is no longer a superior language as it was. Live and let live, simple. - Libembe |
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sally - we will decide on how we handle the past
06/02/2008 12:39
The issue of the evil past that we were subjected to will be handled by us, the victims. It cannot be dictated by the perpetrators of apartheid because it's in their best interest for victims of oppression to move on and forgive them. This is not how it's done. The issue of apartheid will be settled on our terms, definitely not yours unless off course you willing to make a personal sacrifice from your share of apartheid spoil. - ourworld |
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English is the natural choice
06/02/2008 12:40
14 years after apartheid ended the Afrikaners still believe that South Africa revolves around them. Times have changed, but apartheid is not being reversed as some believe.
As far as language is concerned English is the only official language of South Africa that is recognised worldwide. That is why it is the common language of business here, and also the language of parliament.
I did not learn Afrikaans pre-1994 because of Afrikaner attitudes towards the British.
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language
06/02/2008 12:40
All South African children should learn Afrikaans, English and the local African language in a school with one main language. - Frik Stander |
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Ha ha Ha
06/02/2008 12:41
Hey Sello just come to think of it those people who were forced to be taught in Afrikaans and Bantu education are the same people that are running our country and look were that got us. 'WAKE UP PLEASE SELLO'. - HOPE FOR THE FUTURE |
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On the subject.........
06/02/2008 12:44
of language. Both my sons were educated in the Cape, and they learnt an African language (Zulu if I recall correctly) Nothing wrong with that, in fact very interesting. I think the Afrikaans should be maintained in schools,but not forced maybe given a choice? Just a thought. - carol |
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Well done Sello
06/02/2008 12:45
Hear hear Sir! - VLS |
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Gumada
06/02/2008 12:47
.... i think you need to read the article and then articulate and anwser. - TM |
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Well over 6 000 000 Reasons to speak Afrikaans
06/02/2008 12:48
Yes, that is right folks, there are nearly 7 000 000 people in this country, who have Afrikaans as a 1st language. That makes it 2nd only to Zulu as the most spoken language in our country. So, unless there were no other schools in the Ermelo area, the decision to force them to teach in English is nonsense (PLEIN TWAK)! - yt1021 |
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Gumada you idiot
06/02/2008 12:50
The more you throw comments like that, the harder the Afrikaner fights back... If you want to get educated in your mother tongue then drive your kids to a school that does that. - Pedre |
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Opressed....
06/02/2008 12:53
English was forced apon the afrikaans people before they got independance from the english. My great grandmother had to wear a sign that read donkey around her neck because she was caught speaking afrikaans in the school she was in. Dont forget that the Afrikaans was opressed by the english, just as the afrikaans opressed the people when they got in to power. Now the ANC are the opressors. A beaten child will beat his children. - we need to break this cycle - JC |
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English for all
06/02/2008 12:54
Actually I don't think we are doing anyone a favour to let them learn in their 'mother' tongue. English is already the most far-reaching language in the world and is rapidly taking over as the language of business, even in countries like India and China. Any child who finishes school less than proficient in English is doomed. Just look how success blacks without 'township' accents are in today's business circles for proof of this. - Tracey |
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English
06/02/2008 12:55
I cant understand why any parent or student would not want to take English as their 1st language. It is the most widely undertood and practiced language in the world, take whatever second language you want but english should be the 1st language. All Educational material is available in english anyway which makes it much more affordable! - wb |
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Mother tongue
06/02/2008 12:59
when one speaks of mother-tongue education in a country with 11 official languages one wonders whether anyone has applied their mind as to how that would work...enough schools? enough qualified teachers? However, it is time where we ensure that kids get to choose what languages they wish to learn rather than have Eng/Afr as compulsories with African languages as selectives...maybe it should be Mother Tongue compulsory with a compulsory elective African language (which would include Afr.) - Just a thought |
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Cry the beloved country....
06/02/2008 12:59
Sello, I think your points are very valid and well balanced. Unfortunately, I am getting so sick of the rascial mudslinging in the comments that I can puke. In any case, English is the way to survive in this world and the better you can speak it the better for your future. - Christiaan |
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SELLO
06/02/2008 13:00
Me and a lot of dark / black people feel so sorry for you that just can`t get over it. Get a life and work toward a common goal - THE FUTURE !!! The past is the past and there is nothing you can do to bring it back! Sorry to say but we where made free by the whities when they released Mr Mandela. Thank you Whities ! - Mr T |
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The fact of the matter...
06/02/2008 13:02
...is that Afrikaans is a dominant language in SA, and always will be. The best teachers in this country are Afrikaner women, and more than 50 percent of matric distinctions are earned by Afrikaans speakers from Afrikaner schools. By insisting on being educated not in Afrikaans, black people have done themselves more damage than good. - Jo |
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Gumada get a life
06/02/2008 13:02
I was an English speaking person who married an Afrikaans speaking person, now my home language is Afrikaans. Afrikaans is the home language of many people, coloured and white in South Africa and we are proud of it. Why should anybody give up their rights because you have decided it's had its time and should be banned. Stop fighting over petty things and lets all work together to build the country into something to be proud of. - Sp |
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Ag Please
06/02/2008 13:05
Sello you and Gumada are both just not very sharp. English is not a black language! It is also the language of the "oppressor". Are you just trying to be obtuse? Gumada Afrikaans was created by "Coloured" people not whites. Do you guys actualy know what you are talking about? Sure you are not Zimbaweans trying to stir the racist pot? - Doorboot |
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Apples & Apples
06/02/2008 13:06
Firstly, it is idiots like Gumada who is turning the country into what it is today...
Secondly, there is a big difference between learning 2nd/3rd language as opposed to not being taught in your mother tongue. At most Afrikaans schools during the '80s, pupils were also forced to learn a third language over and above Afrikaans & English, in my case Northern Sotho.
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Alternative
06/02/2008 13:09
Don't see why this is the major issue when there is a lack of teaching capacity and an even bigger lack of quality teachers!It is time for government to realise that multilingual schools is not the answer,rather have education facilities with one 1st language and 2nd+3rd language options.This will even have a positive spin of in the various sectors that DoE depends on. - Mike |
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Interesting...
06/02/2008 13:10
The interesting thing about Afrikaans (according to Stats SA) is that 13.3% of all South Africans use it as their mother tongue, while only 5.6% of the country is White & Afrinaans. Now who can the the other 8% be? - Mornelius |
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Afrikaans
06/02/2008 13:13
Personally,I don't see why this has to be an issue.When I went to school we had Xhosa1,English2 and Afrikaans2.We had black teachers who had to teach a language they did not even understand and we made it.I have a challenge to Afrikaans speakers in Mpumalanga to learn isiSwati or isiNdebele for 12 years and be evaluated in it.I am not talking about fanakalo.We did it with Afrikaans, why can't you? - Kingster |
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You are a racist
06/02/2008 13:14
Sello you should stop and carefully consider what you said. Fisrtly, the children of today had no say in stupid apartheid policies and most probably neither did their parents as they were too young to vote back then. Relishing in the misfortune of others (not even the perpetrators) bacause of their colour smacks of racism and a misplaced desire for revenge. Its people with an attitude like yours that is undermining the efforts of others to become one nation with a shared vision. - Ag really |
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Implementation
06/02/2008 13:14
You probably are thinking it is impossible to have mothertongue schools, just think almost 14yrs have been wasted on affirmative action instead of delivering means for educators to specialise in presenting subjects in native languages.What narrow minded,point scoring polititians should realise is that you cannot deliver a better service to a bigger target group with less capacity (refering to bee and all the other measures) - Mike |
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enough already
06/02/2008 13:17
Why then send your child to an Afrikaans school if you dont agree with Afrikaans being taught? Then take your kids to an English or Setswana school damn it! You just love having something to moan about and love bringing up apartheid - that is the point of this article! Get over yourself! - Lebo |
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Tit for Tat
06/02/2008 13:17
I find it very arkward that Afrikaans speaking people still want their way in this present dispensation that we are living in.The internationally used language is English and when you move outside of South Africa you dont hear that language spoken.i feel the govt must ban the forcibly use of Afrikaan as a medium of communication in schools.yes it must be taught to them as a second language just like our african languages but the medium of communication must be english finish and klaar. - Nkosinathi |
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enough already
06/02/2008 13:17
Why then send your child to an Afrikaans school if you dont agree with Afrikaans being taught? Then take your kids to an English or Setswana school damn it! You just love having something to moan about and love bringing up apartheid - that is the point of this article! Get over yourself! - Lebo |
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make english the only language that is taught!!
06/02/2008 13:17
I think we need to move to a single language+ 4 sciences curriculum.All schools have to be taught in the same language i.e english.
English is a universal langauge and does not belong to anyone!!The mother tongues can be taught at home.This is not a racial thing..As an english white,I want my kids to be taught in english in any school in SA..I dont want them to learn afrikaans..zulu/xhosa would be more useful!!! - lats |
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One Language
06/02/2008 13:18
I say make English the standard language in all schools followed by whatever language you want. If you go to France, it's not like you going to say goeiemore to someone and they know what the hell you saying!! English is the international language of communication in business and people. - Win |
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11 Official Languages ????
06/02/2008 13:19
There is only one of these ridiculous number of so called "Official Languages" that can and ever will be understood internationally.ENGLISH. - Nutballs |
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Hold that thought
06/02/2008 13:19
Most comments here pick a certain line and stick to it not checking the whole situation.I believe what is being done here is to abolish any school that has a certain language of preference, which would allow any pupil to enter the school with out being vindicated of not speaking that language which the school prefers.I for one I am with the idea but it should be done in a civilized manner where it is pointed out that such practises have reached their sell-by dates.South Africa is ours, all of us. - skizofile |
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Gumada
06/02/2008 13:20
Gumada you should be banned from this site, Afrikaans has just as much heritage as Setswana, Sotho,Zulu ect. and just as much right to be tought in schools, perhaps when black pupils reach the same pass rate as white afrikaners you can start a petition, good luck. - James |
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language
06/02/2008 13:20
I think the negative comments speak fot itself. I'm a mother and I had to enroll my child into a English Pre-school, against my wishes. I'm afrikaans and hate the fact that people are so negative, but look at the benefits of a bilingual child, I certaintly want my child to understand Xhosa and English. Language does not belong to us, it's a give, a form of communication out of difficult situations and a previledge to know when meeting new people. Stop being so selfish. - Candi |
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For those interested in a better life, I think its time to leave
06/02/2008 13:22
When education becomes an instrument for political agenda, you start to miss the point. This country really makes me think of Animal Farm - the one book I am greatful being forced to read when I was in school, perhaps also with a political agenda? Like this 'Equal Education for all''Eleven official languages''Affirmative Action''BLACK Economic Empowerment''No Afrikaans in Schools'. When you demand, but are not prepared to work on the future and all else fails -Blame it on the racist white man... - Coward |
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Nkosinathi
06/02/2008 13:24
You are wrong. Afrikaans is spoken in London, Belgium (Flemish) and by a lot of expats who got tired of idiots like yourself and Sello and all the other victims. - Doorboot |
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Afrikaners were not oppressed
06/02/2008 13:24
It is worth pointing out that English was not enforced on the Afrikaners. Afrikaners went on the "Great Trek" because they were too stubborn to mix with the English. - James |
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I'm not being racist
06/02/2008 13:24
No guys, I am not being racist, I was just highlighting that politicians are very shortsighted people, doing things that they dont realise will later turn around and cause uproar. I support the fact that learners should learn in mother tongue, I was only saying that the same language forcing was done to black schools too. - Sello |
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One language
06/02/2008 13:31
You're not doing your children any favours by teaching them in their home language! What are they going to do when / if they go to varsity? Insist on home language there too & bugger up another educational institution? Kids should be taught in English - it is the business language after all. Still think 2 languages should be compulsory, but at least leave the choice of which 2 up to the kid. - Nel |
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Ermelo
06/02/2008 13:33
The point about this particular school is that as it was the only afrikaans medium school in the area, it was half-empty while other schools in the area were overcrowded. Since democracy is about a majority vote, obviously Ermelo had to change to accommodate non-Afrikaans speaking kids in the area as they made up the majority.I have to say, however, that all this brouhouha could've been avoided if all kids were taught in english!.If you can't speak/read/write in english you're doomed! - Vavavoom |
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Read the Article......
06/02/2008 13:35
I think alot of people dont actually read the article before commenting! Sello has written a really good article and makes some very good points. I dont think the school in question is being forced to teach in english only, they are merely being asked to teach in both so as to provide for all residents in that community. - David |
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I want to learn...
06/02/2008 13:38
We were forced to take Xhosa as a third language which was examable and had to do orals.(from std 2 - 1993) This was great! I wish I had paid more attention in class because at this time in my life I wish that I could still speak Xhosa. I think it should be compulsory for all kids to learn an ethnic African language, it certainly helps to make this whitie feel part of Africa and understand it a little better when I hear and understand the odd word. My kids will learn it, that I promise!!! - Glenn |
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JAMES u idiot
06/02/2008 13:38
After the Anglo-Boer war the Afrikaners were oppressed by the British. Check out your SA history moron... - LJE |
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Lithium - you are the one who's missing the point
06/02/2008 13:40
Lithium, get your facts straight: Afrikaans Medium Decree 1974 forced all black schools to use Afrikaans & Eng in a 50-50 mix as languages of instruction. Afrikaans was for mathematics, arithmetic, social studies from standard five (7th grade); English for instruction for general science and practical subjects. - Off to Oz |
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I don't even see why...
06/02/2008 13:40
The Afrikaaners are making such a big deal out of it. You must thank the government since it simply means your kids would be better equipped to COMMUNICATE with the rest of the world as they grow. Unlike those "sorry, not speak english, hold on" afrikaans people you come across. What happens when they start working 10 years from now? Huh???? same goes to ALL black people. That's why you don't hear them complaining about being taught in Engling. t's for the good of the country. - M.M |
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Ourworld
06/02/2008 13:40
We have already sacrificed a lot more than what is necessary - way to many lives etc. The problem is exactly your view - do not generate or achieve what others have - you first want to take what they have, and then make sure they have nothing like you do. Africa has always worked like that! - john |
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Who say we're upset about language policy?
06/02/2008 13:44
The law determines that a state school must serve its constituency in their home language. That also goes for Afrikaans constituencies.
The main uproar that I'm aware of is that government does not have the capacity to serve their own policies in state schools. Where are the English, Zulu, Xhosa, Tswana teachers? Be warned, to teach in English requires good English skills, otherwise you're doing damage to children.
The previous government at least usually knew HOW to implement their policies. - Pieter Joubert |
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school in your mother tongue
06/02/2008 13:45
Scholars should be able to receive schooling in their own language.So instead of forcing afrikaans teachers to teach english rather educate more black teachers to teach in their mother tongues. - afrikaans |
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12 million reasons why Afrikaans is alive and well
06/02/2008 13:47
12 million South Africans (39% of the population) can speak and understand Afrikaans ? 25% of Blacks, 95% of Coloureds, 22% of Indians and 86% of Whites.Afrikaans is an African language, it is in fact a major African language.
Over 1000 languages are spoken in Africa, 95% of these languages are spoken by less than 1 million people. Afrikaans falls into the 5% of African languages that are spoken by over 1 million people. - Donovan |
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Not Really One Language
06/02/2008 13:47
You really live in a fairytale. English is NOT as widely spoken as you believe. Go and do some research before you post nonsense. Try and speak English to a Spaniard in Madrid, and you will soon learn that English is not a widely spoken language. I challenge you to greet a Frenchman in English and see what reaction you get.
Every person has a culture, and that comes first, no matter in what language the world currently does business. In 500 years nobody will speak English anyway. - Moridin |
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12 million reasons continued....
06/02/2008 13:48
Afrikaans falls into the 5% of African languages that are spoken by over 1 million people.
Afrikaans is a global language ? it is understood by about 30 million people worldwide ? in The Netherlands, Belgium, Surinam, Antilles as well as by expatriates in countries such as England, USA and Australia.
Afrikaans is offered as a university subject in The Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Germany, USA and Russia.
There are more people in the world who use Afrikaans as their home language than there are Danish mother-tongue speakers. Danish is an official language of the EU.
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Lithium get your facts right, dont argue for the sake of arguing!!!
06/02/2008 13:48
Good post Sello.
Lithium, do you have a slight idea of what exactly what bantu education entailed. During the years of bantu education student were taught and instructed in Afrikaans. Most of their subjects were taught in Afrikaans (subjects like wiskunde, adryskunde (sp) etc.). Our parents got the worst part of the bantu eduction. I started schooling during the years when bantu education was not that rife any more (1977). We were instructed in our own mother tongues though taught in English. - CB |
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Stop it!
06/02/2008 13:50
They will, because of the roots - Dutch, German, Flemish etc
They (and West Africa) will not understand English. Motto of the story.....
You have the right to be educated in your mother tongue, but please, learn as many languages as possible.
Stop playing the victum - Africa does it way to well. There is always somebody or something to blame for the state their countries are in. In South Africa, it happens to be Apartheid. That is why you burn trains, right?
Get over it and start working. - Andrea |
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Mr. T are you sure you are not sick!!!
06/02/2008 13:51
Your comments are irresponsible. The very same whities you claim freed Mandela were the same whities that arrested him in the first place. I have never come across such a dumb comment. - CB |
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Solution !!!
06/02/2008 13:51
I feel that the easiest way to solve this is to make English the official first language for all, the second language should be chosen by a vote from all students that attend the school. - Sam |
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Gumada
06/02/2008 13:52
Afrikaans was born in this Country! Unlike tye bulk of the 'native' languages.
Also, fail to see why you are so eager to adopt the most oppressive of all languages! - john |
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Alex
06/02/2008 13:53
I'm a bit confused... is Afrikaans an official language of South Africa or not? If it is, then why is it being treated as if it is an irrelevant piece of garnish on the side, and something that very soon will simply die out?
11 official languages of equal importance I believe was the original idea, so why on earth can kids not be educated in those 11 official languages? Of course there should be Afrikaans schools as WELL as Sesotho Zulu Xhosa etc. - Is Afrikaans an official language or not? |
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Gumada
06/02/2008 13:54
I wonder what the coloured population of S.A thinks of your idea, them being non-white and with afrikaans as home (and in some cases only) language. Go and look up the afrikaans dictionary word for box! - Guy |
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Vavavom & Sello
06/02/2008 13:54
Vavavoom - the School was already over the intended capacity.
Sello - again, Afrikaans was forced on blacks - yes - as a subject, not a medium of tuition! - john |
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12 million reasons cont 2 ....
06/02/2008 13:55
Sello, seriously ??? have you heard of he expression " The pen is mightier than the sword " ... well it's true as you can see. Why bring appartheid into this - are we not over that yet ? Racism in this country will be here forever because black people will never forgive us whities for the stupid decisions our fathers made - Gumede by the sounds of things you had no education at all never mind mother tounge. All earlier facts are provided by AMPS
( All measurement and product survey ) - Donovan |
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Sello
06/02/2008 13:56
Please remember that Afrikaners were not allowed to speak their language openly when the Brits ruled this country. So this will not be the first time that our language is under fire. I don't agree with what was done to Africans re Bantu education. Q? what did the African do to start their own schools. Like the Portuguese & Indian people did for instance. It is unfair to attack Afrikaners because you believe that we were the supressors but it is ok for the African government to do the same to us. - Nyx |
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Jo - What are you talking about???!!!
06/02/2008 13:57
Have you ever fathomed that Afrikaans speaking student are excelling due to the fact that most if not all of their subjects are taught in Afrikaans whereas black students have to endue being fed in English which is far from being their first language. In any case no wonder black students excell these days in English better than their Afrikaans speaking counterparts. - CB |
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Stuck
06/02/2008 13:58
It is because of people who are so stuck in the past that South Africa is deteriorating in every aspect. Learn to look forward and we may be able to get back on a decent track. Won't you appreciate being able receive your education in your mothertongue in stead of being forced to receive it in English? Who is the winner here? Neither Afrikaans speaking nor any particular Black language speaking citizen except if their choice is English. - Kizmet |
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looking ahead
06/02/2008 13:58
Lots of valid points. Firstly (being Afrikaans), i agree that we should keep our mother tongues alive.
BUT, would you please stop referring to the past? Why must today's children suffer just because their parents suffered? It's pointless. THE KIDS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH APARTHEID!!! So then why are we now doing it to them, just the other way around? We have a chance to raise an unbiased nation, but for some reason, we just won't allow that to happen. - Amy |
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Hold that thought again
06/02/2008 13:58
The reason most situations get out of hand is the manner in which they are handled. None of us should be forced to do something we dont want, rather negotiate the deal and reach the most suitable outcome so as to learn from the instance.There should never be an Afrikaans only school and so should never be a Xhosa,Tswana only school.I believe English is the most logical choice for a diverse community and also other languages are also important as they are part of who we are.Respect each other. - skizofile |
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History
06/02/2008 14:00
In case you hadn't realised, the official languages pre 1994 were English and Afrikaans, so there was no obligation to teach in "mother tongue". Now we have 11 to choose from. - Realist |
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11 Teachers per subject?Sacrifice Afrikaans
06/02/2008 14:03
I think they should build schools according to people living in the area. No good to have 11 teachers for one subject. Build more schools if necessary.I am Afrikaans, was taught 1 black language in primary school. My kids now learn in the international trade language, English, and soon Spanish too. Sacrifice Afrikaans, and all the others except English. - Boer |
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Nkosinathi
06/02/2008 14:03
Please read this and read carefully. I went to Europe and other Scandinavian countries last year for my first time. Afrikaans got me twice as far there as English did. I was even able to read some of the signs there.So you can use outside SA!!!! - Luckytobeworkingforinternationalcompany |
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David
06/02/2008 14:04
I agree with David's comment. If the school is allowed to teach in both languages, then there's no issue. My issue is that Sello delibrately attacks my mother tongue because of what Smuts decided. A lot Afrikaans people didn't approve, but they were not in a position to fight it. Again, what did the African do to school themselves? - Nyx |
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And so?
06/02/2008 14:06
As far as I am aware, the whole apartheid regime and all their unfair policies were supposed to be outlawed by our new constitution. Whenever the reverse is applied the attitude is "Don't complain because you didn't complain when it was done by you". The application of the same policies in reverse means that our new government practices apartheid too, just in reverse. - DW |
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Divided society
06/02/2008 14:08
Living in a society with so many differences is a real challenge - even just getting the basics right, like education. I agree that everyone should be taught in their mother tongue but is it possible? Let's give up on this "us" versus "them" mentality. The article was shockingly partisan. It's not about payback or such other cliche's - it's about the future, which we all need to work together to improve even if it's not a perfect one. Language and culture are important, but not at any expense. - G |
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karma
06/02/2008 14:09
When I look at SA's history and what is happening currently,it makes me realise that karma is very real.Perhaps the people that were responsible for apartheid are no more, but now the tables have turned to the opposite direction.It is safe to say that whites are now being oppressed today & the apartheid people are turning in their graves to see their kids suffering today.Makes u thing,u need to treat others (of all colour) the way u want to be treated,or one day it will come back to bite u badly! - ak |
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Bantu Education
06/02/2008 14:09
The people behind Bantu Education at least gave schools to the children to be educated in. These children then went and burnt those schools to the ground. Now they want the white schools for themselves, because the white children were not "clever" enough to burn those down as well!!!
I think that we should ask this useless government to build some schools, so that all children will be able to be educated in their mother tongue! I havent seen a new school being built anywere in the last 5 years! - Gatvol |
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