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K is OKAY what about the C word??
19/02/2008 11:16
So it is ok for blacks to use the K word but what about the C word (*oolie) that throw around wihtout blinking an eye - double standards will always be around! - Sido Patel |
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If it was me...
19/02/2008 11:18
...I would have been slapped with a R15 000 fine as determined by law. I wonder if his R15 000 fine will be imposed. Or is this once again a case of only white people can be racists, and not people of other colors? I'm sure that black people hate hearing that word not matter who say it. - Lithium |
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the word is not offensive to me
19/02/2008 11:19
when used by a black person since the are no racial connotations. Whether that logic is correct or not i don't know. It's really an issue that only black people must discuss.
I wouldn't encourage my friends to use it though since unlike in America, the scars are still too visible.
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How rude!
19/02/2008 11:20
The word is just plain offensive!! Call the reporter in question a fool or even a Doos - but the word kaffir is right up there on my list of words not to be used! I am no prude, I have been known to curse like a sailor (frequently) but there are some words that just should not be used. Let alone when refering to another human being!! Treat people as you would like to be treated... - Sarah |
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amazing
19/02/2008 11:22
What amazes me is the fact that when a black man uses the k-word its okay and not offensive,but when a white guy uses it,its the biggest sin that one can commit,I have black friends who refer to themselves like that every day,itsonly a word and words can only offend you if you allow them to - nicky |
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Dutch
19/02/2008 11:24
And what about being called Dutch? I am of French origins dammit! It hurts being called Dutch. Perhaps if I call myself Dutch enough, and own the word, I will feel better. O yes, I don't really care about the issue that much, it is only words... good grief cool people just gets over petty BS. - Dude |
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Agree
19/02/2008 11:25
I agree with you Irvin. Perhaps black South Africans should use it as it was intended initially?to refer to a certain type of person, not a certain race. I don't use it however, just because I think it?s stupid to call people names. I do not agree that it?s only used in white groups however. I have heard it from black people that want to distance themselves from people acting a certain way ? people acting in an ungodly way. - Hennie |
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What a laugh
19/02/2008 11:27
I dont know who the news24 editor is but what a story to miss!! Almost as bad as not having the Bok story on the front page this morning. Ai Ai Ai Baas Irvin, Baas Irvin dis lelik. Seriously though the majority gets what it deserves. This is strongman behaviour at its crudest. Here,s a thought, women have to put up with far worse from people with "mindsets" like this.Like Grubbyzuma and his kanga comments. - Bokfan |
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Racism is alive and well
19/02/2008 11:27
Even our sick constitution promotes racism and is used for perverse laws like aa and bee. If the government promotes racism legally through AA, then using the 'k-word' should also be fine, huh? - Juan |
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A word is just that - A WORD
19/02/2008 11:29
I believe that a word out of context is useless. I have no problem with any words, just how people use them. The sentiment is the same. The same goes with any of the 'hate words', the words are not to blame but rather the hate. Use words to say what you mean and allow the words to mean what you say. The person speaking must have the power and be held accountable for what he/she has said, not what was meant to be said. - Tim |
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"Kaffir"
19/02/2008 11:29
I can imagine the hatred that would have found it's way into the comments section if these words had been used by, dare I say it, a white person. Interesting that very little is actually being made of the statement. Racist at best derogatory at least. His political leaders at Luthuli house should at least condemn the use of the word. The sentiment that gave rise to it also bears inspection - Lack of proper investigative journalism? - Jim |
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What else could he say?
19/02/2008 11:31
I think Mr Khoza got it dead right. Perhaps the journo's were thinking like ***firs and he put them in their place, about time someone put the media in its place, whether he used the right word or not he got his message across...loud and clear.
Report the good stuff not the rubbish and rumours we hear all the time around 2010.
Get behind the LOC and make it work. Stop thinking like....well I think we get the message. - Metallica Man |
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The K word
19/02/2008 11:32
The K word is not used to describe only black people. It is used to describe anyone who acts like one. It is also not universally applied to all black people. - Stryder |
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Careful of your implications
19/02/2008 11:34
If Khoza used such a term, who was he referring to? Are we to believe that being black and kaffir are synonymous? If a white person uses the term, does it stand in place of "black?"
If Khoza meant to imply that this particular reporter was behaving like a black person, then his use of kaffir is insulting and cannot be condoned. However, who is to say that blacks are kaffirs? - L van Heerden |
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Black on Black :-), White on Black :-(
19/02/2008 11:34
Black on black, the K word doesn't do much harm. But from a white on black, that's where the ignition is. That's why rappers use it among themselves. They'll however be as hot as chilli if another person (different race) use it. - Tee |
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Oh my God!!
19/02/2008 11:35
Check the first two comments of this article. Guys, seriously you really really need to go get a life. If your only retort is one along a racist line then one needs to ask the question... why are you still here? I never thought I'd hear myself, as a white person, asking that question but seriously some people are just poisonous to this country. Please read up on why he used it instead of just foolishly and ignorantly blurting out racist retorts. PLEASE!! - Point Blank |
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lets forget the names
19/02/2008 11:38
There are just as many names for white people.We should all treat each other as we ourselves would like to be treated, thus we should stop this name calling even if you are black stop using that names so that we can forget the past and start working on a future with a rainbow nation..dwelling on the past will not assist in building and healing this country. - anonomous |
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Too much ado about nothing
19/02/2008 11:39
Kaffir is only offensive if it is referring to a group of people. Since black people are not kaffirs, I do not see why anyone would be pissed off by the use of such a term. Anyone that says black people are kaffirs or that kaffir is synonymous with black, then that person is racist. If Khoza used such a term to infer a racial group, then he is racist and should be punished in a way that a white person who implied that black people are kaffirs would have been punished. - Lvh |
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Its just a word...
19/02/2008 11:39
It always has, and always will be a word. what i'd like to know is what he intended it to mean. Maybe is is implying that the reporter was boxed or biased in his thinking like supressed black people may hve felt during apartheid? Maybe he is acknologing that people during that error tried to spark conflict? - G |
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Nicky, why would u want to use that word when you
19/02/2008 11:40
know how a black person would interpret it? Simple solution: don't use it.
Sido Patel: In my experiences i've realised that most black people are ignorant to the fact that "coolie" is an offensive word. I always highlight it to the people around me and they always seems baffled. That's why i think most black people use the word. It's not right i agree. - tshepo |
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Moemish of the year
19/02/2008 11:42
I always had greate respect for Bra Irvin, but after what he said yesterday,that respect has gone away. I must confess myself that I sometimes use the word jokinly in camera. Saying that in public particularly a person of that status, it is not acceptable. Irvin must just appologise to the whole nation about his insensetive. - Sk |
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IRVIN IS RIGHT
19/02/2008 11:42
I fully agree with Irvin based on the context he used the word...a lot of our journalist are non-believers(K*****)in possibilities within SA, I read that German media didnt report negatively towards their world cup but "us" we are so determined to see to the failure of this big event heading to our shores...I quote stop thinking like K***** - Thami |
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Comedy
19/02/2008 11:43
Chris Rock (African American Comedian) - "Everything white people don't like about black people, black people don't like about black people. It's like our own personal civil war. On one side, there's black people. On the other, you've got niggers. The niggers have got to go. I love black people but I hate niggers. I am tired of niggers. Tired, tired, tired." - Andrew Jones |
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Why would a white person want to use "kaffir"?
19/02/2008 11:45
Some of the people are commenting about the double standards of allowing black people to use "kaffir" while this such utterances by white people would be considered racist. I ask, why would a white person wish to use this term other than its racists connotation? What else would they use the term for that the dictionary does not cater for? Really!!! Is it non-sensical that someone is crying foul because they cannot use the term "kaffir" or "nigger." Under what circumstance will they use it? - Len |
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use it!
19/02/2008 11:47
well, i don't mind hearing the kaffir word cause it has no affect on me! It discribes the way a person is, not who he or she is! - Big R |
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The K word
19/02/2008 11:49
Ii am quite offended by his behaviour cos he knows that that word in SA is not used to mean heathen or whatever it was intended to mean but it is offensive and insulting to any Black South African - him included. With people like him we still have a long way to go - A darkie |
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Arabic context
19/02/2008 11:51
We were called that in Saudi Arabia because we are Christian and in South Africa we are called racists because we are white, so maybe unbelievers should accept this word seeing that so many people these days declare that they do not believe in God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir - marius |
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Do we wanna be like the yanks?
19/02/2008 11:51
By calling one another nigger, a minority of black Americans have negated the integration sought by so many other black Americans, and every time our language prevents us from unifying, the divide between cultures will deepen. Saying its ok for us black peeps to say and not whites is wallowing in ignorance, and is contrary to ALL African culture. If it's really not offensive, would you use the word in front of Madiba? Or your grandfather? If you wanna be a nigger, go to the States. - WarAndPeace |
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irresponsible
19/02/2008 11:52
In as much as the context is important, khoza was irresponsible to use the word as public figure, given the history of the word in SA. i have used the word before with my friends joking around, but as i grow older i realise that i can do without it. - boni |
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Khoza vs 2010
19/02/2008 11:52
Does the term Kaffir refer to black people? no,that term can be used against anybody of any race, in this instance, Khoza merely, wanted to emphasise the fact that people should NOT think like people of low esteem.There are people who do not want to see SA succeeding, especially in projects that are black driven, focus should be on developements and not whether one person is liked or disliked by another, let us grow, and stop moaning like little kids. - Abram Modisakeng |
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Irvin Khoza
19/02/2008 11:57
Pitty that he saw the need to use that word_I'm black African and deeply offended. Forget racism for a second, it's hate speech for which he needs to apologise. Shame on you Irvin_you are nothing short of a disgrace. - Alpha |
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Another example
19/02/2008 11:57
Just another prime example of what a bunch of idiots we have running the zoo. The LOC is a disgrace and is doing everything in its power to screw up 2010. Most of the incimbents are self-serving and only in it for themselves. Mr Khoza represents the averice and greed that drives this country and soccer bears the brunt so much so that the quality of play on the field is almost comical as the management of the game in general. - mosvms |
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I see a change...
19/02/2008 12:02
I'm seeing more and more people with positive comments about ending the pathetic racial feud which every article eventually erupts into. Maybe we might just start seeing how important we are to each other!!!! - Hope |
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Equivalent
19/02/2008 12:02
Quick question.....what is the equivalent derogatory word that black people would use to insult or desribe a white person? Is there one that is used in the same context as the subject word of this article? Just curious. - Unda |
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Where did that come from
19/02/2008 12:02
I am more interested to know the origins of the word. I don't think a white man invented it, which surprises me how offended a black man can get if its used by a white man. Perhaps the blacks in this country should get over themselves. - Malcolm X |
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I Agree with...
19/02/2008 12:03
I believe that ANYONE who uses the word should be (publicly) reprimanded. I also believe that especially black people should prevent the "nigger culture" at all costs. If it's really ok, say it to your parents, or your aunt and uncles. Please do. - WarAndPeace |
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@ Stryder
19/02/2008 12:04
You said: The K word is not used to describe only black people. It is used to describe anyone who acts like one."
How, pray tell, does a kaffir act? - Colleen Figg |
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Yes its racist coming from a white man
19/02/2008 12:06
All the white people who say "if it was me", please get over yourselves. The word is offensive on white on black simply because it was used before by white people to demean black people, which was pure racist. People have lost objectivity on this forum or are just plain racists. Me..me...me..all the time. Can we for once look at the context of an article and debate accordingly. Sido and Lithium why would you wanna use the word?? - funnybones |
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K - Word
19/02/2008 12:07
For a person of that statue who is public figure in the world of sport, he should not be saying things like that, what messgae is he sending to the youth of today, Irvin Khoza can be an influential individual if he wanted to be but he has just chosen to be and forget where he has come from...he should be banned from sport for uttering those kind of remarks because the days of being called k***** and c***** are over and we need to set examples for the kids of today.... - One Indian who takes offence to these words |
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Steve Biko and Black Consciousness
19/02/2008 12:11
Steve Biko was killed and Mandela was spared, why guess? Steve was driving the concept of ideological liberation amongst Blacks. He inspired many of us to believe in the philosophy of Black pride and that we are all equal. Such a philosophy was dangerous as it would liberate us from our mental bondages believing that we are inferior, hence his brutal killing. Khoza was illustrating the same thing. In SA, if you are Black, you are lazy, criminal, incompetent, and cannot be trusted to do the right. - Libembe |
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Unda - not sure
19/02/2008 12:12
I could be wrong but, my understanding of the zulu word "mulungu" (excuse spelling) basically means "white man" and the way it is used is often demeaning or disparaging. - Sarah |
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what's in a name?
19/02/2008 12:16
I hope I don't offend anyone here, and my apologies if I do, but I have been dying to say this for a long time. On a day to day basis, I reckon that I see equal amounts of white "kaffirs" and black "kaffirs". It refers to a person's mentality, and so it should be seen. Even though I know that this word has a special degrading connotation to it for black people, I like to think that our society has mostly moved on. However, all that being said, its still a very nasty word to use. - konstabel |
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NON-BELIEVER .
19/02/2008 12:18
That's what the word means. In the past it was used to describe people who did not comply to the accepted norms or rules of the current rule-makers. In RSA, yrs ago, it was the colonizers [no pun intended] who labelled people, as that.
Unfortunately, those who use it in a racist context, today, don't realise that they, in fact are the EXACT definition of that word, TODAY !!
Khoza used it to describe non-believers. Racists use it to describe 'the kettle', while they are 'the pot'. - Gary |
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Kaffir
19/02/2008 12:18
I totaly agree with Abram Modisakeng, I once read that the word kaffir actualy refers to an unbeliever somebody who does not believe in God.So let us not allow devision in our country let us look for more positive attitudes to help us grow and prosper - maggie |
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The use of K
19/02/2008 12:19
In Afrikaans the K-word is often used lovingly when a mother nurses a baby. A young child is often hugged and called "my liewe kaffertjie" and not meant to offend. - Endearment |
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k word vs. Ni*** word in US
19/02/2008 12:20
SA blaks are very sensitive to the k-word for obvious reasons. In the US, they use the N-word liberally among the Afro-Americans. Listen to the RAP artists or watch black movies/sitcoms from the US and hear how freely they use the word and with admiration. The truth is if you are not black and you use these terms they are often taken for derogatory intentions. But I find it strange that blacks will use it freely in the US. A time when we meet each other halfway is coming - Zolile |
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We own it
19/02/2008 12:22
As blacks we should be allowed to own the word and use it among ourselves in reference to anything we see fit. It has been used against us for such a long time and we must be able to turn it around and make it less offensive. A warning to whites though not to dare use it - because automatically it becomes racist and offensive. If you not gunned down, you will be slapped with a fine. - Godfather |
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please explain...
19/02/2008 12:22
Why on God's green earth would we be calling each other names that we know some people take offense to? For heaven sakes, we are all South Africans!!! We should be calling the Aussies and Kiwi's Kaffirs! Not our own brothers and sisters!! - witseun |
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CONTEXT people, CONTEXT!!!
19/02/2008 12:24
We're all ranting and raving. Very few people in this forum have acknowldged the context within which Irvin used the term. There is a dictionary meaning for the word, and Irvin is not stupid to go on radio and use a derogatory term. The problem here is that most of us know the word to only refer to black people - whether in a derogatory way or as a genuine term. So the problem here is not Khoza but our own prejudices. It's really sad, the legacy that APARTHEID has left in our on our minds. - LKT |
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Viva Mr K!
19/02/2008 12:24
We are soooooo caught up in being 'politically correct' (not only in SA - this is global!) ... Mr K was perhaps a bit careless, but so what? I'm called an Mlungu ... *shrug* so what?
Libembe, small comment to add to yours...the ORGINAL concept is that all men(=people) are "treated EQUALLY",are "equal before the law".NOT that all ARE equal.I am not the equal of my compadre(white/black/green/pink).But we must ALL have EQUAL opportunity.I agree with your comments...was only adding! Go well! - Cynicus |
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Grow up SA leaders
19/02/2008 12:24
It is immature (40 year old ANC Youth League Style) to call people names, whatever they may be. A mature person fit for a leadership role should rather focus on pointing out specific areas of agreement and explore reasons for differing opinions. When you call people names they stop listening to what you are saying and you've at either lost the opportunity learn something and improve yourself or youve just failed to convince another of the correctness of your thinking. - I listen therefor I am |
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Does anyone know what "kaffir" really means?
19/02/2008 12:24
A word is just a label. Whether you call a black man a "kaffir", or whether you call a white man "white trash", what's the difference? It's his choice whether to feel offended or not. If a beggar comes up to you in the street, and tells you that you stink, will you feel offended? No, because the insult holds no truth! The word "kaffir" is an Arab word meaning "non-believer". So technically, whether you're white, black or purple, if you're not a Muslim, you're a kaffir! - Jan |
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I see a way to make money.
19/02/2008 12:25
Lithium say that by law one can get fined R15 000 for using the word. Does that also imply for the word Dutchman, Boer, Whitey. There are so many toi toi placards with the words, Boer, Whitey and so, on it. Does the law allow one to sue those for R15 000?
I really do not know. Can some lawyer comment.
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Irvin`Dont think like kaffer` Khoza
19/02/2008 12:25
Irvin says other people must not think like kaffers. Reember during apartheid black people were called kaffers. Surely Irvin says people must not think like black people(like himself). Shame on you Dr? Khoza, if you dont recall or know who you are. You are a black person> Call the press conference and apologize to the nation that you bruised, or else...... - Nature |
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When are you black eneogh...
19/02/2008 12:27
For the ppl who commented that its OK for a black person to use the "K-word" and should not face persocution. When are you black eneogh to use it. Both your parents are black, what about one parent that is black, or if one of your grandparents are black? Is it fine if your white but married to a black person and what about your kids? Maybe we should use a "pencil-test" to see if they may use the word? Sounds fammiliar doesn't it.... - Just wondering.. |
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Khoza
19/02/2008 12:27
The origin of the K word is Caffra, which was the old European explorer's and traveller's name for inhabitants of the entire Africa. There is nothing wrong with this or any other word. It is how you use a word in context with other words and phrasing that create problems. You can be just as derogatory when using the words white or black, depending on how you use the word. - Herman |
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K**** is OK
19/02/2008 12:30
Margot answered how own question when she observed that taking ownership of the K*** word robs it of its power to offend. I hear the young guys around me using "nigger" to each other all the time. It's become normal, thanks to American hip-hop culture. I wouldn't use it myself, or "kaffir" or "coolie," because for me to use it would be deemed racist. On the other hand, they don't normally refer to me as a "that white racist bastard" - at least not to my face! - jeremy |
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origina of the word
19/02/2008 12:30
it comes from the arabic word which referred to people who did not believe in God - turbo superboss |
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SELFISH
19/02/2008 12:30
And the bottom line? We should all just get over this crap so our kids can grow up in a peaceful country. Why do we insist on harping on about this? Yes, it hurts, but move on so it doesn't hurt the next generation as well. Although it's probably too late for that. We've already taught them to hate. - Freddy |
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Crazy
19/02/2008 12:31
For people who complain that if it was a white person they would have been fined. Yes you will have been fined. Who do you want to call a kaffir and why would you call somebody a kaffir. You make it sound as if some previlages of you using the word kaffir has been taken away from you. - Darkie |
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Arabic origin
19/02/2008 12:32
As Marius said above, this is an Arabic word used to describe someone that does not believe in God. Being muslims, thus any person other than a muslim. The Dustch used this word to describe the black people that they encountered as they did not believe in God. It thus did not start as a racist slang and I do not believe that it was ever intended, by them, to be used as such. - Eugene |
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Racism was only against K.....
19/02/2008 12:33
Calling black people Kaffirs is totally racist. And this is also the only people who should benefit form the new BEE drive. So if you were not called a kaffir you should not benefit finish en klaar! - SAM |
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Meaning of Kaffir
19/02/2008 12:35
Basically, we don't care about the finer technical details of the meaning of the word Kaffir. All we know is that it was used as an insult to us..to make us feel less human...it is demeaning coming from a non-black person. So, please save any definitions of the word for your grand kids. We don't want to hear from a non-black person and we should be allowed to do as we please with it. - Godfather |
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The K word
19/02/2008 12:35
I use word quite often, however it's not meant to be racist (I use it towards whites equally as much). To me it simply means some one who has no respect for law and order within a society environment. Like bad drivers.
As far as I know the roots of the word come from meaning "a non-believer in order/atheist/etc". - Keifie |
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"Godfather" are you quite mad?
19/02/2008 12:38
Why in the hell would you want to "own" and use this word? Or Nigger for that matter. It's not very smart - It's rude and demeaning? For want of a better example it is like me refering to myself as "bitch" or any other revolting word used to describe a female. (there are some fab ones out there...) - Sarah |
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funnybones
19/02/2008 12:38
I've read your comments before. You seem a bit hateful towards whites. Is that so? I thoroughly enjoyed your article on the ANC last week, but your comments... You always are on about "you white people". Stop seeing colour so much, your article made you seem clever, don't know why your comments make you seem racist. Maybe you should keep to the same thought, whether it's commenting or writing an article! - Chantelle |
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missing the point again
19/02/2008 12:39
I watched the interview on tv and was very impressed with Irvin Khoza.We are ahead of where Germany were at the same stage, his leadership and team of "non puppets" are why we are going to have a 2010swc we will all be proud of, yes there are problems as there are in every country/company/family but if we only focus on the negative we force those receiving the barrage of criticism to spend most of their energy defending instead of getting on with the job! - Grant |
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ADDITION TO ARABIC CONTEXT
19/02/2008 12:39
with reference to 'arabic context' and where the word originates does seem to come from the arabic language pronounced kaa fier which means unbeliever in GOD,so no one has the rihgt to call any person an unbeliever in GOD unless a person admits to it. - nazeem |
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Unnecessary
19/02/2008 12:41
I just think it was unnecessarily inflammatory and I'm glad we as a society have matured enough not to climb on our high horses about something that was clearly poor judgement. - Tracey |
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Pathetic
19/02/2008 12:44
I think it is offensive, no matter who says it. I heard this guy ranting and raving on 5Fm this morning. Jeez. He needs to calm down and watch his mouth. - Anon |
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Bad Journalism
19/02/2008 12:45
Somebody by the name of Thabang Chiloane once told the Journalist students at TNG that:"If you are ask a stupid question, you will definitely get a stupid answer", Throughout my practice as a journalist, this statement always guide when conducting interviews as another way of gathering information. To safe myself 4rm colonial mentality, i regard myself as a young and activist journalist of Azania, who always strive to decolonise the mindest of the masses. Viva Irvin viva. - dark originator in Azania |
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We all know!
19/02/2008 12:49
We all know that he was NOT using the word in reference to an unbeliever anyway. That point is mute! It's got nothing to do with this. - Anon |
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Scary ...
19/02/2008 12:52
That no - one seems to think the fact that this word is not just offensive for Blacks ... but also for any person that is not Muslim
Please reference the word as this is also slang that the Muslim culture uses to offend non muslims.
So he in fact insulted every South African that is not Muslim !!!! - Psycho |
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Sido Patel
19/02/2008 12:53
Hi Sido I understand what you mean. I am one of those Africans who used the C word without blinking. I had no idea it was offensive until I used it in my mother, uncle and aunts company and I got a look. I was horrified at what it meant and for that I apologise. - Anon |
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Racist Words
19/02/2008 12:53
I am Indian who I would say...
I don't care what people call me. End of the day,
I am a proud Indian, I know what I am capable of achieving & I am doing my bit for this country by paying my taxes.People who take offense easily, should look inside themselves... - John |
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A rose by any other name........
19/02/2008 12:58
My father in law is married to a black lady.(We are a white South African family) We all get on extremely well and race has never been an issue (they also have a child together). We (whities) do watch our language & vocab when around step-mom-in-law and we are always shocked silly when she refers to other people as Kaffirs. Only when she is greatly annoyed by somebody's stupuity and shortsightedness!!. So. I think Mr Khoza must have felt the same frustration when he unwittingly used the word - Vicky |
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I does'nt bother me being called the K and N-word by a black man(non-whites excluded).
19/02/2008 13:08
It merely highlights how strong and courageous we have become as a black race.
That, irrespective of all the injustices and atrocities of the past, we are still here and united as ever.
That, irrespective of the never-ending racial descrimination we still go through today in our workplaces - we still put our heads up and hope for the best.
Should I be called K by a non-white, then it's WAR. - MaLeFaCtOr |
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To Sarah
19/02/2008 13:14
The word you are looking for is Umlungu, referring to the person, or isilungu, referring to our customs/ways.
I think it is not the word itself, but the way it is said. I have colleagues that refer to me as such in a friendly manner, for example, but I have also heard this word being used with a scowl on the person's face.
With regard to the K-word however, the scars may yet be too deep to utter it. - Nicola |
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*K*******
19/02/2008 14:11
Considering the position Irvin Khoza holds in society, one would argue that he should have been careful and sensitive about his comments. I call this a flawed character on Mr. Khoza. He should learn to think with his brain and not emotions. His comments have fueled a debate that has been going on for generations. It's sad to see a respected figure lose his tongue like that especially on a public platform. - Concerned |
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