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Yawn
26/02/2008 09:07
Um no, the whole Schalk Burger episode is INDEED what it seems to be on the surface. Regarding Andre Watson's comment that the general public dont know what they are talking about - well this 'article' must be the best example thereof. - Tony |
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Refs must open their eyes
26/02/2008 09:10
I agree. Don't you think its "funny" that the same ref that the Stormers accuse of awarding a try to Habana that wasn't a try - was the guy that sent Burger off and didn't "see" other activities on the field? - Gary |
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Refs must open their eyes
26/02/2008 09:11
Interesting that the official in question is the one who has been blamed for poor decisions two weeks running! Should he not be cited for lousy referee-ing? - Richard |
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BRAVO!!!
26/02/2008 09:11
You have echoed my exact thoughts. Thank you. - Tina |
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Does a bad call by a referee justify Burger's behaviour?
26/02/2008 09:15
I agree that something needs to be done about the referees but the way Burger reacted was uncalled for and silly. I have seen many players being sin binned or even red carded for foul play they did not commit and not once has a professional player acted in such a childish manner.
Burger is probably one of the best rugby players in the world and I felt disappointed by his reaction on Saturday to what I also saw as a bizarre sin bin. - skim |
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New rules-bad refs
26/02/2008 09:18
Tony-catch a wake up.One ofthese days refs will be so exonerated that merely walking onto the field may constitute an infringement.These new laws are being adopted so as to upgrade the level of refs incompetence.I suppose YOU think that Roos the Doos was justified 2 weekends in a row for bad decisions?He is a halfwit who should put down his flag.I have reffed games too and yes its difficult at times,but he isa blatant moron - Sean |
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Roos is appalling
26/02/2008 09:19
Roos is the worsted ref I have seen in a long time. The way he handled the bull and stomers game was appalling. And if someone complain about them they are fined ridiculers. Players and couches should be able to complain and be critical about the standards of refs. - kay |
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Andre Watson
26/02/2008 09:19
For Andre Watson to take the players side will not work. The ref's decision is the final say in the mater. Thats why its called a ref. The tail should not wag the dog... - jvb |
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There was no excuse!
26/02/2008 09:19
So long as rugby is refereed by humans who are tasked with interpreting real time incidences against static laws there will always be errors and inconsistencies in the way laws are applied.
What Schalk Burger did was unacceptable, he is a Professional player and should have known better. If a Kiwi or an Aussy had of done the same thing to an SA official the SA press would have been all over him. Schalk has no excuse and should have known better.
Incidentally, I am always amazed that it is the losing team that has the biggest problems with the standard of refereeing. I sincerely hope that 2008 is not the year that we go back to blaming the ?laws? and the ?ref?s? for SA?s poor performance. This smacks too much of the Viljoen - Strauli era.
If our teams just started playing better, you?d be amazed at how quickly the quality of refereeing ?suddenly? improves.
As the old saying goes ?Good play always overcomes bad referring!?
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Rucking
26/02/2008 09:20
Bring back rucking. Then players won't be so keen to fall on the ball. - Robin |
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Cry Baby!
26/02/2008 09:21
Rassie used to be a cry baby. Please ignore this part of his coaching. - Martin |
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Boo Hoo
26/02/2008 09:21
The standard of referees in the Super 14 series is actually pretty good and reasonably consistent. If you want to see inconsistency you should watch the six nations. Fans are always there to blame anyone but their favourite players. Schalk Burger is no different at the breakdown than Richie McCaw. It's the players and coaches fault that they cannot compete under the new laws. - Scotty |
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Refs
26/02/2008 09:22
.. but I agree, there should be a watchdog to check up on the refs. Its not the players to decide if and how wrong a ref was - jvb |
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Schalkie...
26/02/2008 09:22
I back Schalkie, and although I don't think that rugby players should resort to the kind of abuse that footballers dish out to refs, the matcg officials should know that they are accountable for bad calls. Willie Doos needs to be sent back to ref high school matches the man is useless as a ref. Go schalkie tewl it like it is boy!! - Nick |
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Let's ne like soccer then?
26/02/2008 09:32
Referees can and do make mistakes. They are human just like players. The match officials howver must remain untouchable while on the field though. If a match official makes a mistake then this should only be dealt with by some sort of disciplinary board after the fact. Otherwise we can have players diving and others pushing the ref around as they please. Soccer is a great example of this, hell why stop there let's do it like they do on wrestle mania. - Stryder |
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Schalkie
26/02/2008 09:37
What Schalk did was wrong. But he is human, all the previous times he got a yellow, he just smiled and left the field. I agree he should have been more proffesional, but so must be the ref. I do blame the ref union for placing Roos in the game, because the WP union made a official complaint against him, so it is logical that the idiot would take revenge on the stormers, which he dully did. yes refereeing in the S14 is exelnt, exept for this one man. - padkos |
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Schalk is a hooligan
26/02/2008 09:38
He proved his class on Saturday and needs to be hit with the maximum fine. The reff is human and can make a mistake but Schalk's behaviour was absolutely deplorable. His actions was a disgrace to SA rugby. But do not fear Stormer supporters he will only be slapped on the wrist. - Doorboot |
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Whatever
26/02/2008 09:43
The ref might have been wrong, but Burger didn't conduct himself in a professional manner. They want the salaries to be professional, but then he acts like a kid.....SO WRONG. - shaun |
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Open your on eyes!
26/02/2008 09:45
You were obviously not watching the game! The assistant referee only confirmed the incident with the ref and acknowledged that a yellow card should be given for the offence. The referee saw it first. And it must be sour grapes for you to lose to the Sharks. You are clearly a Stormers supporter "the best player in the world (Schalk)". - Sharkie |
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schalk
26/02/2008 09:46
What a load of hogwash ! Wake up tony! - Lyn |
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Why not use TMO more !!!!!!
26/02/2008 09:46
firstly let me say willie roos should be fined for his shocking refering and should go and ref school games ,Why don't they use the TMO more ,all he has to do if he see's on a replay foul play is radio down to the ref with a number and the player sent off or punished accordingly ,this way they will get rid of the foul play ,schalk i think was innocent here and has got a really raw deal and i don't blame him - Rugby fan |
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Technology
26/02/2008 09:47
Long overdue is the necessity to discuss the impact of technology on sport. If technology is applied it brings about a different perception of what truth is when viewing any kind of sports event. The audience is transported on the spot where the live action happens. What must the millions of spectators do when a judge or a ref makes a call which was clearly wrong or misguided? It's absolutely pathetic to employ technology but not use it to determine the truth. Another hypocritical admin example. - Pieter |
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BEST PLAYER
26/02/2008 09:47
as usual the best ref and player sits this side of the field from where you know and play the best.Ever been in any of their shoes at that level? If self dicipline lacks, then sadly, corrective steps must be taken against the culprit.As for most of the comments here, you cause yawns all around. John - john |
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Suspend bad refs
26/02/2008 09:48
Well said Goblin. Ref's having a bad weekend should be cited and suspended for a game(s), according to their faults. - Piesang |
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Oh boo hoo hoo
26/02/2008 09:48
Victim mentality seems to be rife in this part of the world. Schalk Burger is lucky he has not been banned for life. The guy is an idiot, always operate outside the rules and his gesticulation deserves a severe penalty. As to the rules, if you are so used to watching boring kicking rugby, then perhaps you will not enjoy it. Those of us who think rugby involves 15 men, will enjoy it. - L van Heerden |
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Sad
26/02/2008 09:49
It saddens me that the ONE TIME that Schalkie misbehave, al the Schalkie haters, comes out of the wood works, crying for the worse penalty possible. Jealousy does make people nasty! - padkos |
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Schalk Burger
26/02/2008 09:53
Andre watson watshname ??? Wasnt he the guy who kept sending schalk off every match he refereed in his last year.???? can he really be unbiased ???? So his comments should really be dumped in the dumpster, where he blongs. as far as roos is concerned, well. it seems he belongs in the same dumpster as watson , both being as blind as bats. i rest my case - Dawie |
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Pathetic
26/02/2008 09:55
Once again Schalk has shown that he lacks some grey matter! Regardless of the situation players get sent off all the time whether they committed the offence or not. What Schalk did was disguisting! He is suppose to be a role model for the children of RSA. If he gets banned for a couple of weeeks its his own fault and he deserves it. No TV refs should not get involved with the general calls of the game, it will slow the game down even more! Sometimes the ball bounces your way, other times not! - Mike |
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TMO
26/02/2008 09:56
If the TMO is used for every infringement in the game, then forget about rugby as a spectacle. A 80 minute game will take 3 hours (unlike basketball or American football). When that happens, I doubt there will be too many people watching. Stop bitching about TMO, any good team will overcome bad decisions which happen for both teams. If a referee plays favourites, then he will not last long either. - L van Heerden |
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Schalk
26/02/2008 10:00
The ref was pretty bad, but Schalk needs to calm down. He is a great player, but does things on the field that makes him look like a high school player trying to impress the girls. That last penalty he gave away was shocking. On a good day Schalk costs a team 6 points. - Solo |
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RUGBY!!!!!
26/02/2008 10:05
I think the only real surprise thus far is that Schalk and co are still playing for SA - Doubt it will be long before he and the rest of the top lads are wearing jerseys that dont have a helluva lot of green in evidence. - Sam |
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Zuma for president
26/02/2008 10:06
A professional rugby player is an ambassodor to South Africa. If one allow any person to act in contravention of ethical and good behavioural laws of society (hopefully this still exist), our moral being is going to degenerate to the point where criminals become president, jailed crooks become finance ministers etc. As society we should not even try and justify Schalks actions. No wonder you call yourself Green Goblin!!! - Realist2 |
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Schalk
26/02/2008 10:06
Schalk Burger is a profesional player. I support him only because he was right this time. Refs also need to lift their game or they will be treated that way. - jfky |
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Mr Roos
26/02/2008 10:09
Willie Roos isn't up to standard. He screwed the Sharks last year, Stormers now and Lions a few times I think. He is a very, very inconsistent and bad ref!
Mr Watson is brilliant! Best ref ever.
Schalk can't complain, hes gotten awhay with alot over the years and what he did was idiotic. - johann |
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Fence Sitter
26/02/2008 10:11
Schalk as punishment should flip "Burgers" at Steers...
It's oh so EASY to be a couch referee...it's not that easy being on the field.
But i'm a fence sitter here! - Wackwack |
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Schalk
26/02/2008 10:13
I do feel for Schalk - it seems as if the refs are always out to get him. Admittedly, his reaction was completely wrong and uncalled for, but i think its time for the refs to be cited and disciplined too, they get away with murder. Andre Watson should stfu and admit that certain refs just don't cut it at this level. The match, like the stormers vs bulls game, was very poorly reffed. Willie Doos should be fined and banned from refereeing - he is putrid. Worst ref i have ever seen. - Zee |
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Tony catch a wakeup!!!!
26/02/2008 10:19
Fast asleep like the ref Tony?? - Denzil |
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Brains People
26/02/2008 10:19
L van Heerden think a little ,what i meant was use the TMO to rule out FOUL play -no every descison ,Just where there is blatant evidence of off the ball or foul play that could result in a player being injured ,e.g a player flying in from the side with the shoulder against another players neck/head region or a wild swinging arm that has been missed by the ref and his blind/stupid assitants -it will take 2 seconds to radio down with the players number and recomendation-it will not slow the game - Rugby Fan |
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Thank you!!!!!!!
26/02/2008 10:21
My sentiments exactly.
Have some form of criteria to evaluate
these these refs.and list them accordingly.
Then we will identify all the culprits.
By the way the New Zealanders are notoriously
known for their forward passing mind you they
have also won many a game in that fashion.
Milton.
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A solution
26/02/2008 10:22
Considering an incorrect carding can have a huge effect on a game, and sometimes a season, here?s a suggestion ? give each coach 2 APPEALS against a card decision per game, and the TMO has 2 minutes to look at the infringement. If it is not blatant, then the player is not carded, and we get on with the game. This will: (a) help the refs and thus the credibility of their decision making; (b) decrease the limits a human error can have on the game; and (c) make the game far more enjoyable for players, refs and spectators. Miles - Miles |
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Problem?
26/02/2008 10:24
For every problem there is a solution. Why not start a website where "qualified" individuals assess the ref after each game based on a points system together with quakifucation for the assessment. The refs referee the match and their decision stands. But if the ref is assessed on performance, it will be easy to determine who are the better / worse refs. Then the "public" may also become more "informed"??? - Matrix |
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Stormer losers
26/02/2008 10:25
I thought it was only bull supporters that blamed the ref when their team was doing bad it seems like its passed on to stormer supporters. And a team that is winning will not complain about poor refereeing as that would cast their victory in a shadow but im sure if you ask the bulls off the record they would say much the same that Willie Roos knows squat about rugby like most of you on this page - Dex |
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Indeed
26/02/2008 10:25
I think Schalk is a great player. I just think he lost his head in the heat of the moment. You have to respect the ref's decisions. Like in cricket, you are going to get bad calls, but you have to roll with them. You can always take the proper actions after the game. But if they let people get away with it, it's going to get ugly.
I hope they are not too harsh with him, but action does need to get taken.
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Schalkie
26/02/2008 10:28
You are one in a million. Always being targeted by the refs. No wonder you lost your cool. You're young, vibrant and it's so wonderful to see you just about eveywhere on the field.
You know the saying "The highest tree gets all the wind".
Why can't cameras be used to "help" the linerefs, and refs in their "Difficult" judgments. So many indiscretions go unnoticed, but Schalk, being the shining star, always gets it. Nice for the other side hey? - Alicia |
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24hr rugby
26/02/2008 10:28
Pathetic article, but everyone has the fullest right to his/her own opinion. Willie Roos is a doos. Schalk is a proffesional rugby player. Playing rugby is his job. If I flip my boss he would fire me on the spot. Schalk was wrong. And think about it...how long will a match last if the 3rd eye has to consulted for every error?
A lot of guys will be divorced in two weeks for watching too much rugby, or is it?
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Bad Refereeing
26/02/2008 10:29
If a players jaag stront aan then he gets yellow carded, but why are the refss always above the law, if they give bad decisions then they just had a bad decision, plyers get sin binned then they must appear at a hearing and to get suspended refs just get a stern word. Players get penalised heavily look Percy got a two year ban refs can cost a team dearly but then Andre Watson talk their actions good. Ok refs make decisions in realtime but how many times have the TV-ref also made horrible errors - tik-kop |
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Nice1 Sanzar
26/02/2008 10:30
Schalk Burger is and always has been a lousy, dirty, good for nothing player who simply gives away penalty after penalty. Now he wants to vloek the officials on top of it. Shame, big floppy dog falling all over the place. Sad - PJ |
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A Solution
26/02/2008 10:31
the only solution is let the game be there will always be binging about a loosers side loosing ref at fault or not. The ref is just the innocent bystander who is the easiest to blame than to accept if the side underperforms. When NZ lost to France the ref was blamed but truth is NZ should have been far enough in the lead that such a decision should not have mattered so if bulls stormers and lions can't play up to scratch then its your fault for backing a side that sucks!!! - Dex |
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Wife watcher!!
26/02/2008 10:34
Dude, respect to the fact your wife watches rugby with you. But in all seriousness, you cannot be 100% certain that a pass was forward by watching a 2 dimensional screen. I find the "reffing" this year to be above standard and consistent. A case of sour grapes perhaps? The ban was for unsporting behaviour - nothing worse then a big headed celebrity. - Point Blank |
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Schalkie
26/02/2008 10:35
The highest trees catches the most wind and so does Schalk Burger(like Naas).He was sent sent off more than once because he is clearly marked by many referees who are NOT Schalk fans.It is a wonder that he only gets frustrated NOW.Its time to use the TMO to make sure WHO IS TO BLAME!!! Maybe some money under the table keep the TMO out of the picture when there was an error or foul play ?! - O boy! |
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sport
26/02/2008 10:37
it should not be on the map.schalk is not a good sports man - marian van der walt |
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Yellow card was over the top
26/02/2008 10:41
It was a small incident in rugby terms - a player (SB) coming in from the side to join a small scuffle on the ground. Even Sharks captain Johan Muller said SB was unlucky to get sent off. A warning to the player plus penalty would've been sufficient - a yellow card was overkill. I bet if it was an Aus or NZ player they would've received a warning from the ref, but an SA player is sent off. The ref barely thought about it and did not ask touch judge if he agreed offence warranted a yellow card. - small joe |
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Reffing
26/02/2008 10:58
The standard of refereeing in last years super 14 was suspect, and it seems that this year has started off badly too. Even the games overseas have attracted noise about poor reffing. I hope it improves because otherwise it will ruin a a great competition, I won't watch anymore if the refs continue to be crap. - Nick |
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rules are rules
26/02/2008 10:59
I would like to see a strict punishment befitting the unsportsmanlike conduct of Schalk. One must remember that showing an official agression of any nature shows a lack of respect for officials and the sport. The rule states clearly that the third person must always be repremanded in an altercation, and it's common sense because there is no reason to involve oneself even to break up the altercation...thats what officials are there for! - Anthony |
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Skhalk is one of the best in the world
26/02/2008 11:00
It is funny how we can with a blink of an eye turn on our sport stars ? a few months ago Skhalk was part of the winning WC team and everyone was behind the team proclaiming what good players we have and that we are the best in the world, but it is sad that some of you have to insult such a good player and downplay his talent and contribution to our countries success on the rugby field. - colin |
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Sort this out
26/02/2008 11:03
I agree 100%. There is so much money involved in sport nowadays that we cannot afford mistakes. Refs are only human and can make a mistake or miss something but use the technology available! In rugby the tv ref should be able to make calls to the ref just as the linesman can. Cricket - we don't need umpires anymore everthing can be checked with the cameras - I don't blame umps for mistakes; he needs to look for overstepping, lbw, heigh etc etc while the ball is going along at 140kmh. - Deon |
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The incredible Schalk
26/02/2008 11:03
I think Schalk's behaviour was shocking, and he needs to apologise to his fan's. One in a position such as Schalk's can't set such an example for young kid's and his legions of supporters. It is bad sportsmanship and definately not in the spirit of the game. I understand that he was hell of a dissapointed and it was a spur of the moment reaction, but he needs to apologise and behave like the gentleman I know he is. - Ant |
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GET A LIFE
26/02/2008 11:06
Schalk Burger might be a very good player but he is not a very good sports man. He is a role model and the kids are following his lead. At this stage he is not a role model any kids should follow. He knew he was in the wrong but thought he is a golden boy and will not be punished. Grow up. - Me |
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Applause!
26/02/2008 11:08
Well said, It's time that refs wake up, we can rewind our PVR's. What a poor display of handling a match by Kelvin Deaker!! How can we get rid of these pathetic refs! Andre Watson just lost some points with me. - Rugby Guru |
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Willie Roos
26/02/2008 11:10
How can you possibly let a ref like Willie ref another game surely you must see he has made mistakes after mistakes, come on how much more can the public take.
I thought after each game a panel of refs would look but no it doesnt seem to happen. - Shirley |
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26/02/2008 11:11
I am a sharks supporter, but I firmly believe that Schalk Burger was wrongly sent off! He did nothing wrong - even Johan Muller defended that after the game! He was just trying to seperate the 2 guys-but refs just see Schalk and automatically think he's in the wrong!Willie Roos is a terrible ref-he made 2 shocking decisions 2 weeks in a row against the stormers-I would also have given him the finger!!!How about giving him a hearing as well??!! - anon |
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Right and Wrong
26/02/2008 11:16
Agree with virtually everything stated, but would add one important point. I believe the Stormars players would believe themselves justified in thinking that Roos cost them points on the log in the game against the Bulls. This is not a minor thing in the context of the competition, and even careers. Roos should not have been officiating at this match at all. It was incendiary to the Stormers players. These are not school games, players and coaches finances depend on their results.
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He's good but...
26/02/2008 11:16
Indeed Colin, he's one of the best. But try to separate his behaviour from his playing skills. I bet most of people who commented admit and acknowlegdge that he's a fine tuned player, yet we cannot shut our eyes from his bad reaction because he's a good player. That's buying a face. - Thabo |
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TMO
26/02/2008 11:25
They only need to use the TMO whenever it is very clear that the ref made an obvious mistake. It is more important to have a correct dicision and the right team to win than to carry on with the game.There are usually not that many bad calls in a game and it cannot take that much time to rectify these unnecessary mistakes.Way too often the wrong team wins after bad refereeing. - O boy! |
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3 calls per team
26/02/2008 11:26
I think the idea of each team being given 3 challenges per game is a good one. The referee makes a decision on the field. The coach is then allowed to react within 5 seconds to decide whether to challenge any call. They will decide the seriousness of the offence. If the challenge is proven right, then the coach retains the challenge (as in tennis) - L van Heerden |
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Colin
26/02/2008 11:28
So, we should be blind to stupid and dumb activities by these players because they won the world cup. No one is putting down the players, we are simply recognising that Schalk Burger is a dimwit, always has been and will continue to be if he does not change his attitude towards the game. It is a sport, afterall. - LvH |
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Children
26/02/2008 11:30
I guarantee you that if you go to some school and club fields, you will now see a bunch of kids doing as Schalk did. He needs to be punished to ensure the kids understand the remification - Len |
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Agreed!
26/02/2008 11:30
Case in point, forward pass RWC 2007 France against NZ. Eng vs any team in RWC 2007, loose head prop NOT BINDING and forcing the scrum to fall!! So many. Don't have enough energy to name them all!! - Big R |
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Consistency/inconsistency
26/02/2008 11:53
The real issue is the consistency of the bad decisions and inconsistency of refereeing. - Hanno |
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