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Singabakho Nxumalo
20/03/2008 08:50
Your meaning of media transformation = ANC propaganda machine. If the media critise the ANC, they are racist and not transformed enough. If that media is black, they are coconuts who are puppets for their white masters! - balbyter |
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Score
20/03/2008 08:50
Media 1 - JZ 0 - Jim |
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Well Written
20/03/2008 08:50
This was a well written, informed and great article, until you got till the last part. Then you lost the plot. If you left the article just before the transformation, then i would rate it A+, but now i rate it E- as you have to make a racist comment - Dawid |
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Smokescreen
20/03/2008 08:55
Singabakho I have read some nonsense in my time, but this takes the cake. Seeing as you are privy to such detail, you must be the spin-doctor for the NEC. The apparent ?investigation? by the NEC into the arms deal is just a smoke-screen to deflect attention away from the criminals in its midst. If they want to know what was going on, Yengeni and Zuma can tell them (in detail) ? after all they were an integral part of the process! Finally, are you telling us that the newly elected NEC and ANC cabinet ministers are not talking to each other, hence the reason for needing Motlanthe in the cabinet? - sipho |
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Party vs State
20/03/2008 08:56
Interesting comments. One of the major features that seems to be ignored by the various ANC members and supporters is that a country will always have a government but the ruling party can always lose power in a democracy. The State is not merely an extension of the ANC and both should be treated with the respect they deserve and also given the space to perform their own tasks. - Watcher |
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bad media reporting
20/03/2008 08:58
I agree, I'm tired of this flash in the pan reporting. I wish the editors of tehse houses will take responsibility!!! - Heinrich |
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Media
20/03/2008 09:01
Leave the media alone. There are ample institutional checks and balances in place to mediate.. - Gray |
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The media does need to be more responsible, but..
20/03/2008 09:01
let's face it, our government does not deserve accolades in the face of the mess they have crated by an attitude of entitlement and personal enrichment with a non-existent work ethic.
Mandela and his team laid a great foundation, Mbeki and his croneys have broken it down.
Government get off the gravy train, roll up you sleeves there is work to do...
We need nation builders; Tokyo Sexwale, Cyril Ramaposa, please come lead us!! - Barry |
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Thanx Mr Nxumalo, but I must say
20/03/2008 09:04
It will take us ages to realise the negative impact the media can have in out lives.An example will be with the current case of Thuso and Mamontha Motaung, whom while the process of law was taking place was painted by the media already as corrupt.Now they were found not guilty, they hadly could take their kids anywhere with out mockery and all, all because media had paited a picture about them.It's sad but its a reality as well, nice article. - Martin Radebe |
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Sipho - Good reading for the loo
20/03/2008 09:05
I agree with you my friend. This is the kind of nonsense that you get to read in the cheap papers - directly under the pic of the babe on page 3. How about you go and form your own ANC rag? If their supporters are all so loyal, then they can get to buy your rag and then there will be no need to transform (read indoctrinate) the real journalists our there? - yt1021 |
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You've got no clue
20/03/2008 09:07
Basically, you are arguing that the media is wrong to speculate that Motlanthe will take over the presidency of the ANC and the country if Zuma is arrested. I'm afraid you do not undertand the role of the media. - NMK |
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the new spin doctor for the ANC?
20/03/2008 09:16
Singabakho Nxumalo! The nation is simply waiting for clear statements form the new NEC. Failing that, we have to do with the sketchy and unconfirmed messages, leaks and other articles coming to us via many different sources. Your explanation is as plausible as almost any other coming to us. Fiddling with the press won't stop the speculations. Load shedding, potholes are there for all to see. Even Manuel has acknowledged the frustration of the nation. - Benzo |
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Entitled to your lousy opinions
20/03/2008 09:17
Freedom of speech is firmly entrenched in our country's constitution. It is when it's used by the so-called political or sports experts or critics when it starts getting abused. These experts are well learned people like your CEOs who are taught how to see things from a very enlightened angle.Whatever opinion they have always triggers debate.They can comment on something in a split second. This can either build the nation or can be very vernomous. Take for instance the case of Xolela Mangcu. He thinks and expresses his opinions like a totally uneducated idiot or a mafia. It?s OK for a mafia to say whatever they want without due consideration of what the consequences of his utterances/scribes would be. Xolela Mangcu is a person bent on rubbishing Mr Mbeki to the extent of dedicating several chapters in his book to vent his anger on him and even himself doesn't know why. He says he just hates him. That's an empty excuse. Theres also Jon Qwelane. The age difference suggests between Mr Mbeki and these small boys is so vast one wonders what could have happened to them to lose their minds to the extent of disrespecting an elder of Mr Mbekis stature. The devil in the book of Mathew told Jesus that he owns all the kingdoms in the world. So, I am not surprised at how the people behave. - Crest |
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Nxumalo is distorting the facts
20/03/2008 09:18
The difference is: the media are part of a system with checks & balances, held to certain standards. Nxumalo & ANCYL are not. That would explain their irresponsible behaviour.
Cabinet is not representative of the racial and cultural groups in the country, neither is the ANC NEC & ANCYL. It is sad that the revolutionaries are now repeating the sins of the past. However, as long as ANC is the ruling party and as long as we don't have nomination legislation as in the US all of this is legal. - Pieter Joubert |
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I agree with you
20/03/2008 09:18
It would be great to have the media reporting on what is happening and less on why to avoid feeding us garbage. Media overrate their technical know-how and try to expand into areas they are not experts in. It's enough to read that Motlanthe is considered for a cabinet post. Any further analysis should be from political experts and be balanced, ie look at ANC, govt and opposition. Stop distortion! - Chris-T |
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Criminals! Criminals!
20/03/2008 09:23
It is a known fact that most ANC NEC members have excellent criminal records and in a real democracy they wouldnt stand a chance 2b in govt. Is there any good SA who can tell us what these people did? Allegations are doing the rounds but no one is bringing us the facts. Is there any book I can read regarding these? Does the pseudo-intellectual Xolela Mangcu know? Or Patricia De Lille? Or Gen. Bantu Holomisa? Or anyone else? Keep us posted. - Crest |
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Sad for SA
20/03/2008 09:23
A twist to the whole thing. Isn't it sad that a party can send a member to parliament for ?smooth transition? before elections are even held? We might as well not have the damn elections. This must be the only country in the world which such sad state of affairs. Eish!!!!!! - Tebzano |
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Transparent
20/03/2008 09:29
If the ANC was more transparent in what they plan and cases like the arms deal, it will leave less guessing to the media which lead to mis-interpretation. - Transparent |
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Media Transformation
20/03/2008 09:32
The 'fundamental culture' of the media has not changed ??? So what? Screw you, you cant have everything so that you can break it. You're basically saying you want to dumb-down the media so that you can feel better about yourself? Get a life! - ramone |
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Motlanthe = Mr NOBODY?
20/03/2008 09:37
Yea right Singabakho? I believe you but millions won?t! The scary bit about Motlanthe is that there hardly seems to be any information about him out there. I only know that his roots are as a trade unionist who does not seem to have achieved anything of note ? in other words, A NOBODY. Perhaps he needs time in the government (to find out how it works) because he (like JZ) is intellectually challenged? Anyone with some real data on Mr NOBODY, so that I can form a more objective judgement? - mikehunt |
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The big house
20/03/2008 09:38
It does make sense to get someone to become president when the resident fornicater goes to jail... - Dries |
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Media
20/03/2008 09:40
I agree we need new leaders what is happening now in our country is bad and only a few benefited what was once a great country is now a laughing matter to the rest of the world and an embarrassment. Cyril Ramaposa mmm I might go for this. - Lola |
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Oh, boo-hoo!
20/03/2008 09:43
QUOTE: Oh, so there IS a rift in the ANC? Well, Singa, welcome to real democracy where the media can say what they want, and if the ANC split because of it, then BOO bloody HOO! - Jelo |
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Brilliant article
20/03/2008 09:43
As long as the media is in the hands of white minority, distortion will prevail with regard to matters concerning the ANC leadership and black leaders in general. Hence it is imperative for black journalist to advance the course of black advancement and continue to report fairly on matters affecting black people in particular. The state should nationalize the media houses, and it should be non-negotiable. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Freedom of speech
20/03/2008 09:46
People talk of freedom of speech as if it's immune to abuse. Like all other freedoms, it should be earned and sustained by a degree of responsibility, which is clearly lacking in the side of media. This explains all the apathy and pull-down syndrome we are infested with. People are prone to hating their country due to distortions. - Chris-T |
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Arms deal investigation
20/03/2008 09:49
The arms deal is being ivestigated internally by the ANC so as to be prepared for any embarrassing questions in future. JZ has already threatened to bring down others if he's brought to trial, so I assume that he has information that he hasn't informed the police of. What is interesting is that the ANC has not stated that they will hand over the results of their inquiry to the NPA if any wrong doing is found. It is the job of the media to speculate on behalf of the public. - DavidD |
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Freedom of speech 2
20/03/2008 09:50
The insults and racial slurs that always fly about in these forums demonstrate the lack of responsibility that I talk about. When you exercise your freedom of speech do not forget that you also have freedoms of wisdom, thinking, learning, positive contribution, teaching, nation-building, tolerance, happiness, patriotism etc. Let's see people exercise those as well. - Chris-T |
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ALWAYS MEDIA.
20/03/2008 09:53
If we can look/listen regularly what media report always is correct the problem they release the information before it can be authorise by the owner.Media must remain government watcg dog for the sake of good governance.For deployment of our ANC Deputy Pres.is a good decision especially for transitional purpose.the new office bearers must not start from zero cause we still go to say they're not delivering whereas their still learning themselfs. - Bethuel |
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Motlanthe 'makes sense'
20/03/2008 09:53
Nxumalo and your ANC, never ever try to take the general public for a ride. The media is absolutely right by making the interpretation that including Motlanthe a take over bid from Zuma. The media should never undermine the public inteligence so they must interpret beyond the obvious facts. The media could be offering a disservive if they can give us Myopic and Naive interpretations.We as the public we also appreciate diversity of views, though in an objective manner. - Themba Thobela |
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Uplifting news for a change
20/03/2008 09:54
Something completely different:
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2291334,00.html
We CAN all get along :) - Sinudeity |
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Really?
20/03/2008 09:55
I don't believe a word of this. The ANC senior leadership has always been great strategists. I do not believe they don't have a contingency plan in place should Zuma be found guilty. This is it. Do not try to spin-doctor something which is so blatantly obvious! - Just asking |
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The next leader
20/03/2008 09:56
I thank the media for any information they can pass on. How else would be know what is happening here. In the dark NP days, we never knew what the hell was going on... just fools being lead up the garden path. Friends and family overseas had to keep us up to date when possible.
But my wish is for Mothlante to "overthrow" JZ. I think JZ would be the final nail in SA's coffin. - Alicia |
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And your point is?
20/03/2008 09:59
Of course all reporting is subjective. Of course Motlanthe will become president if Jacob Zuma goes to prison. And you are trying to say what exactly? That any publication adopting an angle that you don't like should be censored? Given the way SA is going censorship of the press is only a matter of time, brother. - angelina |
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Singabakho Nxumalo aka Goebbels - Twaddle
20/03/2008 09:59
Just like your previous offerings, thinly disguised ANC propoganda. What nonsense! - bokkie |
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Media transformation?!
20/03/2008 10:01
(Sorry I had to) The Media is not transformed? Yet we have so many black journalists that they have their own forum?! *Shock* The white journalists and coconuts don't have a forum? Surely then there are more balck journalists than white journalists? Thus the Media is transformed! - Johann |
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It will never change
20/03/2008 10:02
Journalists are people, and people will always have opinions and agendas, even though they are supposed to be objective (in this case). Especially in SA where absolutely everything is about race. The choices we make when we have to choose a school,restaurant,clothes,sport,etc; these are influenced by race. Therefore we cannot expect anything less from the media. - Athi |
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Not a good idea
20/03/2008 10:03
We need a leader with a backbone, not someone who sees his duty as to be a crow pleaser. He has not done much than to endear himself to the loud mouthed voracious crowd supporting the ANC. He is only good for those who do not comprehend what to lead a nation means. He secretly sowed divisions in the ANC to enrich himself and back stabbed Mbeki for his personal gains. So it will be a great achievement for him, anda great disaster for the cuntry - Zolile |
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Mike Hunt
20/03/2008 10:03
He was born in ??/??/1949.I hope this helps. - psycobabble |
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Objective logic
20/03/2008 10:08
Objective logic is needed in analysing the real motive behind the deployment of Motlanthe in the cabinet.However, at the moment we are not privy to the reasons behind that decision so is the media.The only thing being done is to speculate and the media cannot help it but because it is 'inherently' sensational on issues surrounding the ANC.The ANC is not helping the situation either because of its glaring divisions and vindictive behaviour displayed by some senior members of the party. - Hlabzela |
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Freedom of the press
20/03/2008 10:11
Crest wrote "The age difference suggests between Mr Mbeki and these small boys [journalists] is so vast one wonders what could have happened to them to lose their minds to the extent of disrespecting an elder of Mr Mbekis stature". Crest, the principle of media autonomy is vital to any democracy. It allows criticism of government in order to ensure accountability to the people who elected them. Without the freedom of speech and of the press, one gets a situation like Zimbabwe. - Just |
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The needle & the damage done
20/03/2008 10:13
You seem to think SA exists in some vacuum, unaffected by world events or prevailing perceptions of the rest of the planet. It is a common mistake of the Left - as China is finding out to its detriment.
Our economy - you & me - are already feeling the damage in the fall-out of Polokwane's swing to the Left. A hardcore Marxist colonialist like Mothlanthe will not help economic perceptions, thus ultimately further impoverishing the very poor he & his comrade clowns profess to want to enrich. - Ubuqotha |
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To Calvin Mkhize
20/03/2008 10:14
You sir are just a plain old simpleton racist with an IQ of 70 - bob |
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Opinion
20/03/2008 10:18
Do you read what you write?
Its called freedom of speech freedom of the media.
Your problem along with the ANC is that you still base everything on raise. We can never be south Africans if and Indian is an Indian, a white is European and a black is African.
Have a good look at yourself, because you are the root of the problem. I say no to racism and thats all racism not just racism against blacks. - Jason |
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grasp in-depth knowledge to govern the state!!
20/03/2008 10:18
Is he going to grasp and who in the anc has the "knowledge" now? And who says they will win? - marius |
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To Calvin Mackize
20/03/2008 10:18
Sir you sound like a communist, white minority together with all there IQ s will better the percentage of the majority. Beat your drum bud - bob |
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Calvin Mkhize - Just like SABC
20/03/2008 10:21
You are wrong with regards to 'white minority' owning media houses. Its not a race thing. Its a sensationalist thing. Whatever sells newspapers. - Sinudeity |
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I agree 100%
20/03/2008 10:22
what a great article and judging by some responses to it, as usual the guilty are afraid. I have lost respect for South African Journalists black or white as they have allowed themselves to be used by politicians. they have taken sides. they dont tell people the way things are, the tell us it in a way it will suit their master. - Themba |
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Ubuqotha
20/03/2008 10:25
Indeed SA does not exist in a vacuum but to take the notion that Motlanthe is a hardcore Marxist colonialist is stretching credulity to unacceptable limits.ANC while is in Alliance has never bn a Communist organisation and will never be! Vavi and other clowns can cry until blue it wont happen,it might adopt certain 'policy change' but will not go that way! - jikajoe |
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You guys whou were worried about JZ should
20/03/2008 10:25
be scared... be very, very scared if Comrade Mothlanthe becomes our next president! Go to the link and check out his [achievements]:
http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=5325 - saliem |
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Psycobabble
20/03/2008 10:26
Thanx. That helps a stack. LOL - mikehunt |
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Media freedom, cornerstone of our democracy.
20/03/2008 10:30
A country is viewed as democratic when the following is guaranteed: 1) Media Freedom, Independence of the Justice System and protection of property rights/ownership. Although the media need to be in sync with the people, their freedom should never be compromised. So, far we are still safe i.e. our democracy still functions. As for Mothlanthe, he knew all along that Zuma is not worthy a leader, and he waited, patiently. - Libembe |
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@ Calvin Mkhize
20/03/2008 10:34
YES! nationalize the media, good idea, then we can set up work camps for anyone who speaks out against the government! we should also set up secret police and informers that can find out who these people are and go in in the middle of the night and arrest them! this is going to be, night of the long knives here we come! damn you're good calvin, who needs freedom? it just gets in your, i mean, our way. - Lumukanda |
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Singabhako's article
20/03/2008 10:36
This man's work is always excellent. A great article and very insightful. - Robin Hawkins |
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More info on Motlanthe
20/03/2008 10:42
Please provide more background info on KM, eg, education, family etc. One of the reasons we get media distortions is that people like you do not provide sufficient information for ordinary people to make informed opinions. Hence, we rely on the sometimes senational media to do the thinking for us. - Maurice Khendla |
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My kingdom for Barack Obama!
20/03/2008 10:44
Guys, can we start pooling to lure him here once he's lost in the USA? An educated man, charm to sway 100 million people without the majority of them really understanding (in no democracy do the majority understand enough), a balanced view of life, an inspiring philosophy, no criminal record or even case, ethical... And no-one can be racist about his race. He's above that. If we don't have leaders may we import them? - Pieter Joubert |
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Nationalise the media?
20/03/2008 10:46
Are you nuts - nationalising the media has possibly got to be the craziest thing I have ever heard. How do you nationalise something which by its nature needs to be independent to function effectively. Oh and something else which is crazy is to say that newsrooms have not transformed. I have worked in quite a few now and trust me transformation is commonplace and accepted. There's asaying in the media you know you've done your job when you piss someone off. - manci |
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Calvin
20/03/2008 10:48
Hey Calvin I think the media is to soft in banana republic. Do you think the media in a first world country would gloss over - Arms deals;oilgate;travelgate;scorpions;mcbride,Dubia tower cranes,jackie,speakers driving licence;Tony Yengeni;home affairs;Eksdom;mayors of small towns that earn more than Mbeki;never mind Jacob and his thieves who want their day in court but doing everthing not to go? The list is endless. I dont think Mondi can print enough paper ! - Al |
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MEDIA BRINGS BALANCE
20/03/2008 10:51
If Motlanthe is not up to the job today, he won't be in a years time either. It will help him to be in government, yes, but not enough to learn in depth, as you put it. Mr Mandela were isolated from society and stepped right into his job with some success. In any case, let him be there in peace. We need the media as is, whether they are pleasant or not, they are an essential balancing mechanism in a democratic system. - Christiaan |
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Mothlanthe
20/03/2008 10:57
Mbeki, Zuma, Mothlanthe - bottom line is that the country is on a downward spiral for all its people black white or blue - I challenge anyone to argue that this country is in a solid state at the moment. Tis nothing to do with race, there were equally corrupt white politicians - so please leave the race card alone. As a loyal South african I just hate to see our people being murdered, raped, abused and defrauded at every turn. This is not Freedom! Freedom is feeling safe in your own home!! - Reality Check |
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Saliem's post
20/03/2008 11:03
Saliem, what frightens you about Mothlanthe? Cyril cut his teeth at the NUM, which has always managed to remain it's independence in the face of some of COSATU's more ridiculous schemes. - DavidD |
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Calvin Mkhize,
20/03/2008 11:09
then we can have media black-outs on crime like what is happening in Tibet at this very moment. Are you old enough to remember The World and Rand Daily Mail with blank front pages, because they were forbidden to publish certain stories? I sometimes think that some journalists can only write the crap available in the Daily Sun. Totally rediculious crap and brabble! - hjs |
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