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Do you blame them?
14/04/2008 13:38
They can't find work because of AA and BEE. They see what is happening in Zimbabwe and our president's resounding silence (approval?) of what's happening. They have to live in jails because criminals have more rights than they do. They hear people promising to murder and rape their wives and daughters and evicting them off their properties in land distribution. I don't blame them. - Louise |
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I Agree 100%
14/04/2008 13:40
I am a white, 28 year old male and I agree 100% with you. You can't just run away everytime things get tough, then you will never learn anything in life! Problems are there to be solved, not avoided by running away! I am staying in my country to the day I die!!!! - jannie-stem-saam |
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Well said Funnybones
14/04/2008 13:40
I couldn't have said it any better. Spot on man, we are better of without them. - Z |
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Why not
14/04/2008 13:41
The only person you should be loyal to is yourself - not a country?! If one feels better to leave - then leave, and if you want to stay, stay... I am staying, but I have no problem with people leaving - that is just what people do... - Richard |
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Visas
14/04/2008 13:42
Not able to leave then eh, Funnybones? - Johno |
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News24 where idiot's get published
14/04/2008 13:42
Strange that the white population is 20% lower now than in 1994. This shows that people are not sneaking back. The male and female who earned most in Australia in 2007 are both South African born. It is not easy leaving the coutry, my ancestors came here in 1664 and now I have to take my family and leave due to crime and rampant anti white racism. - Dries |
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Loyalty
14/04/2008 13:43
It has something to do with loyalty. Loyalty to your fatherland, loyalty to the place your forefathers fought for, loyalty to an ideal, loyalty to your family and loyalty to those around you. You can buy loyalty, but then it is only superficial. Call me naive and call me stupid, and perhaps I am, but in the very least I am loyal. I'll be the last guy to leave, and if there is still lights to turn off, I will do that. - witseun |
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Not easy leaving SA
14/04/2008 13:44
People who leave for Perth may have higher standards than "funnybones". Who is too scared to use his real name. The highest male and female earners in Aus in 2007 where SA born. If people are sneaking back why is the white population in SA 20% lower in 2008 than in 1994? - Dries |
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Pull together as a nation
14/04/2008 13:45
People dont emigrate because of 'food prices, fuel, inflation and the weakening rand', we all get that these are global conditions at the moment. People leave because they get murdered and raped in their homes, because they cannot find work because of the colour of their skin, because their elected leaders tell them to leave and ignore dire societal problems when it is brought to their attention. And where did you hear that emigrants have 'failed dismally' overseas? Get a life, fool. - ramone |
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Funnybones
14/04/2008 13:46
1stly, your English sucks big time. What you should have put in the end is we must go without making a scene, NOT NOISE you BUFFOON! Please, if you can't get BASICS right like language, don't write articles that will irritate the crap out of literate people suggesting we must leave! I was born South African, not you, or the ANC or this circus you call a government will tell me or force me to leave. By the way, whenever is inappropriate seeing that we are ALWAYS faced with national problems..CRIME - Neil |
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Unpatriotic Expats
14/04/2008 13:46
If people want to leave we won?t stop them and all we can say is Good Luck!!! - Kolobe |
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LEAVING FOR PERTH
14/04/2008 13:47
How ignorant your are .... people are not leaving because of high food and fuel prices, they are not leaving because of electricity shotages....they are leaving because they are scared of being killed, raped, robbed. Remeber they don't leave because they want to, they leave because they feel they have to. - Pierre |
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@Dries
14/04/2008 13:47
Racism and crime are EVERYWHERE in the world, my man. If all countries in the world's people had to leave because of problems, there would be no people left. But it is your choice. Adios mate! - jannie-stem-saam |
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Funnybones
14/04/2008 13:47
Food, weakening rand & fuel prices are not the reason why people are leaving. Fuel & food prices, for one, are escalating all over the world so that would be short sighted. Our safety and security is being violated everyday, this is the primary reason. And I look forward to the day when we can pull together as a nation. That day is long overdue. - John Camp |
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YYAAAAWWWNNN!!!!!
14/04/2008 13:48
Funnybones my friend, how can you submit such hogwash? Why do you blame peace-loving south africans who leave? It was said by the safety and security minister himself. Why should we permanently live in fear and work like slaves for peanuts? I don't blame any1 for leaving, I am also applying for permanent residency of australia, personally being black i still feel that life was better during apartheid that is why I'm leaving. CHEERS - ICEMAN |
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Why Perth??
14/04/2008 13:49
Why Perth..what about Sidney or Brisbane??Just asking?? - Kolobe |
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leaving SA
14/04/2008 13:51
Problem is that we are so divided in our country. There is no unity of purpose. The government is obsessed with following a doctrine irrespective of what the end result will be. Others focus on solving problems rather than creating them. If everyone was committed to solving our problems rather than denying they exist then I would have greater hope for the future. - Pete |
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Packing for Perth
14/04/2008 13:52
Louise, you talking nonsense. People like you with this hatred, I wonder what do you teach your kids. Andre - Andre |
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enough already
14/04/2008 13:52
Oh get over it already! Leave people to do what they want - they are entitled to their own opinions and choice! At least they will have better stories/articles to read in Perth! - brenda |
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Hey, Witseun!
14/04/2008 13:53
If you want loyalty, bro, get yourself a dog. Or be a dog to everyone else? - Barb |
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Loyalty, but...
14/04/2008 13:54
I fought for freedom in SA in the 80s as a member of a UDF-affiliated group. I stayed through the dark days of the 90s and have tried for so long to make this country work. Why am I finally giving up? Because it's all just become too much, and I don't know that my kids will have a safe future. The leadership of the ANC has gone down the tubes, too many whites are racist, too many blacks use race as an excuse. I want to be normal somewhere. I don't want to leave but I feel forced out. - Tried.. and tired |
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Not a simple awnser!
14/04/2008 13:54
I do agree that to just pack up and leave not the answer, however when you are a constant victim of crime the issue is not as simple. This is made worse when you have a family - you have to consider not only yourself.
There are plenty on good reasons to want to stay. If there enough push factors then the grass does become greener somewhere else. What you must realise is that is also difficult for people to leave. You always sacrifice something! - Johan |
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Once right to his own decisions!
14/04/2008 13:54
If people wish to leave so be it. The one contributing factor is crime and I would leave this country because of it. A black man won't see that, he would rather point out the race fact by saying us whites are leaving because we scared that the black man is taking over which is a load of shit! It's crime guys, not the race issue so drop the chip off the shoulder. And crime affects everyone and that's why people black or white would leave. - Win |
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Packing for Perth
14/04/2008 13:54
Apart from the most compelling reason to leave this country, that being spiralling out of control crime, the issue of deteriorating public service and government arrogance has to be a concern. When our own President looks at a potentially catastrophic situation in Zim and proclaims that there is no crisis, one can only conclude that our esteemed President wouldn't recognise a crisis if it invaded his body. The mentality of existing leadership and potential leadership is really scarey. - Sean |
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...
14/04/2008 13:56
Don't generalise-I'm looking into moving to Australia,but don't force my opinion on anyone!I just feel that there are better opportunities for myself & my boyfriend there.Esp. my boyfriend,who is underpaid for a person with his qualifications,& can't find a better job cos they're all for BEE candidates only.If SA can't recognise it's skilled people-then they have every right to move.Who are u to judge?People are allowed to do what they want with their lives-why should we have to justify it? - anon |
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catch a wake up...
14/04/2008 13:56
The only reason why I left was a better future for my kids. You can?t tell me that if you had an opportunity to send your kids overseas for decent schooling and a better life, would you not do it, whether you black or white?
I refuse to bring my kids up in a country that still has an obsession with the colour of your skin! Have we not learnt from past mistakes?
In the new SA some people are more equal than others.
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CAREFUl what you wish for.....
14/04/2008 13:56
You will see the economy goto hell if 80% pack up and leave. Don't forget Trevor Manual is also a whitey. What will happen to treasury should he leave.... Careful what you wish for... - Neil |
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Loyalty
14/04/2008 13:56
Witseun. If you want loylty buy a dog!!! If those that want to go due to the situational circumstances then let them go. Don't try and make the fee bad about it. Jealousy gets you no where!!! I left 4 years ago and earn tax free USD after being given a great opportunity. Give that to me in SA and I will be back.....no hang on scrap that thought. - Graham |
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Packing for Perth
14/04/2008 13:56
... And some of us just can't seem to leave without people like you making a noise about it. If we want to go - leave us alone. It's a hard enough decision without all the bitchy comments from others. - LMC |
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I do agree though that
14/04/2008 13:57
people who leave should just make their minds up and do it. Dissing the country, desperately trying to rationalise why are you leaving does no-one any favours. When we go it will be with heavy hearts, and quietly. - Tried but tired |
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Eish, Funnybones, I don't understand....
14/04/2008 13:57
If the country is better off without these people, why the ranting and raving then? - Jack The Beanstalk |
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WHY NOT?
14/04/2008 13:58
Better for u, u can even write an article because ur tummy is full. When u r buying a sports car, ur brother cannot afford a loaf of bread. Why stay if u cannot even get a job to leave a decent life? People leave because they r hungry and tired of leaving in fear because of all the criminals who r roaming the streets and never arrested. Its democracy, if one thinks that its better to emigrate, so be it. - NICK |
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We are running away !
14/04/2008 13:58
Yes I am also running away! Things are falling apart more then ever now, was it not for the infastructure of the old regime, it would have shown faster that you think. Their is no future for my white kids in this country nor for us as well!! Leave if you can, you will get mug,hijack,raped,murdered,pay more and more rates & taxes.Our time has past in Africa ... - Susan |
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Packing for Perth
14/04/2008 13:59
There is no way that South Africans can "cruise through our current problems". The government is filled with incompetent people in most of the leadership positions and unless this aspect changes, we will simply lose more control of the situation. Furthermore, the white people in this country are seen as intruders who are not welcome here and the high crime and the colapsing of the infrastructure are factors which drive many of these people away. Clearly SA will become a Zimbabwe at some stage. - Stormin |
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Packing for Perth
14/04/2008 13:59
I have been struggling with this for a long time but realy Funnybones reading John Q and you know as a white you are not welcome so best is to leave then. - Dudley Futcher |
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Don't fool yourself
14/04/2008 13:59
I can go anywhere in the world. I chose to live in SA. I forced myself to stay in SA for 10 years after 1994 to 'give then a chance'. 'They' failed. I left for Perth. Its great here. End of debate. - chris |
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Not stupid nor naive...
14/04/2008 14:00
Don't worry Witseun, no lights will be turned off, mna nawe will be drinking mampoer under the African sky bidding farewell to the foreigners... - Toto |
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Let them be..
14/04/2008 14:01
I agree with Funnybones, we have problems and yes the world did not give us a fighting change after the ANC came back. A civil war was predicted and people bought extra stock and hid in their basements.
Why did'nt white people leave during the height of the National party's iron, when the police and the army had free reign? - Khathu |
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A Sour Grapes Optimist
14/04/2008 14:01
I think funnybones is one of those extreme optimists. Come back down from your high horse and face reality mate. This country has never been in such as mess even when under apartheid. Many of the problems are caused through our own governemnts incompetence. Get on a plane and go and see for yourself why so many ex-pats (whites) have left, then you will realise why. Why stay in a country that practices reverse racism and knowing that your children do not have much of a future. Get Real. - Lionel |
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Re:Funnybones
14/04/2008 14:01
You say "pull together" etc- please give me some examples of life style changes to achieve this goal or how an individual person can solve our national problems (otherwise it remains hollow rhetoric ). Also our top political bigwigs went into exile before- is that packing for greener pastures? I doubt there is actually any "noise" that you speak of and its probably the feeling of betrayal. Movement of people around the world is a global phenomenon - peolpe vote with their feet. - ofcorsa |
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Once a Foreigner Always One
14/04/2008 14:03
Thank you for leaving, Austrilia is not a heaven. But I am sure you've got something in common with the Aussies and that is your attitude not to accept black-people as humans. Please dont come back!!!!!! - Tabza |
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To jannie-stem-saam
14/04/2008 14:03
"to the day you die" in SA today that is more likely to be just around the corner at the hands of a criminal. - safe&contentUK |
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Real greener postures
14/04/2008 14:03
There are two kinds, the ones that do move permanently and the ones that move to make ends meat instead of standing on intersections begging ?no food, no place to stay. I would have been one of those by now. I was fortunate to get some chances elsewhere and keep my kids in university. We do not apply for double citizenship; no we have to work long and hard for our money (yes good money). Unfortunately there are some that can not move b? money they do not have, education and last some ?banggatte? - Leave ASAP |
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So sad
14/04/2008 14:04
The fact is this is worse than people know. There is a flood of people in the process of leaving SA because of crime and the corruption in SA. These are skilled people who pay millions in taxes that subsidise so many of the poor here. Its sad, but we have no choice. South Africa is going to get a lot worse before it (ever) gets better. - JJ |
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Funnybones
14/04/2008 14:04
Funnybones, whether you agree or not, i dont think SA can afford to loose some of these highly skilled people, but yet we are (So your comment let them go is laughable and shortsighted)- we are now ranked no 50 out of 55 countries as far as productivity is concerned - just a few months ago we were 38 - makes one think - ITS BECAUSE THE SKILLED PEOPLE ARE LEAVING! Soon we wont even be rated!! WATCH THIS SPACE. - Who Cares |
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Staying put!!
14/04/2008 14:05
I agree. I have a british passport and married to a german we could live anywhere in Europe if we wanted to ..... but after 36 years in this country I wouldn't trade places. For all its problems, and there are many, its still one of the best places in the world to live........ H - Heahter Dietrich |
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Solving Problems???
14/04/2008 14:06
What problems are you people who say you will stay and solve the problems, solving? Are you in goverment? What are you doing? You are just adopting a wait and see. Your poor families....they are forced to stay in an unsafe country, with no future and hated by the majority because of the colour of their skin and thei heritage because you want to be loyal to a country. Is the country loyal to you? You are not admirable - just stupid. - Karen |
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Crazy
14/04/2008 14:07
What nonsense!!! If you have a better opportunity to live better and look after you family better....GO! Now I must stay just because I must be loyal does not matter what happens to them or me....GIVE ME A BREAK!! - Shaun |
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Everyone has a right to choose
14/04/2008 14:07
Everyday I am thankful that I dont have to deal with the issues I left behind and am now proud to call myself Australian.... come join us if you can - its the best place!! - happyozzie |
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Packing for Perth
14/04/2008 14:08
Funnybones I just hope when you get attacked or robbed that it's not that brutal !
Please dont change your tune then ! - Steve |
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No
14/04/2008 14:12
I dont blame them. Something needs to be done about crime. - JB |
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Cant realy Blame Them
14/04/2008 14:15
Everything is the White Mans fault. we get blamed for everything. so u cant realy blame us for wanting to leave a culture that doesnt want us. I love SA so do my Parents but they had to leave to make sure my sisters had a future. i am looking at haveing kids and i may have to do the same. If only We could sort out the crime the rest we can live with and hopefully one day become a truely Rainbow nation with out hate for one another. - Nick |
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Australian in SA
14/04/2008 14:15
I'm happy to say I'm Australian who has moved to South Africa (just to get that little bit further from the stinkin' Kiwis)... - Cools |
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So!
14/04/2008 14:15
Excuse me, we are kind of tired being milked ( Taxes and rates, Eskom monopoly, Telkom monopoly) all time be called a racist if I/we dare complain. Hell I voted why can't I moan and or emigrate. - Heksie |
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leave ....
14/04/2008 14:15
I dont have a problem with people leaving , The more they leave the more oppertunity the create in SA.And what they dont realise is they moving into the "future" , There might not be crime AA BEE al that , but its a way more competitive country's they moving to , the grass is always greener and we all know why !! - bongani |
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Heart in Africa
14/04/2008 14:16
My heart, soul & life is in Africa.. but I feel Africa has let me down. I have had 2 close shavings of loved ones and their lives (Not o mention friends) these stories of horror use to be ?heard of? a friend-of-a-friend. But now its happening to us and our immediate family.
Just because we leave or want to leave makes us no-less passionate to our country. I am loyal, but my family comes first, their safety, jobs/skills are very important.
We have no choice but t protect our loved ones?.. My beautiful country Africa has let me down?
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RSA & Nation loses, not ANC / Gov.
14/04/2008 14:16
It is coomon knowledge that many Blck Racists want whites and other RSA born people out of the country.This will kill this country - Matrix |
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I Agree
14/04/2008 14:18
I Agree 100% with jannie-stem-saam, I'm a 25 Year old male and I will stay and fight to the death for this country if need be. Evil prevails when good men do nothing!!!! - Johan |
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Packing for Anywhere
14/04/2008 14:19
Making the decision to leave SA has been the hardest decision I have ever had to make, my kids are 4 and 1 respective, the girl being the youngest. I lie awake at night listening to the sounds outside and wonder when it is going to be our turn, my turn to get to watch 2 or more demons rape my wife and baby girl, will I have to watch them being burnt with a Iron? How will I look my family in the eye without wanting to go insane after something like that. Good Luck SA!!! - Danny boy |
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Shame
14/04/2008 14:20
We'll c if u still have this positive spring in ur step in 2 years time. And Z,u are better without them? enjoy the rot u twat. - GTA_lad |
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Pathetic!
14/04/2008 14:22
To Dries: Wy are you only leaving now? Why did'nt you leave SA for a country that tramples on Aboriginal rights back when the Nats where still running the show.
Go on and run..you are not worth retaining. We have problems but we will get thru!! - Sandra |
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speak about what you know - go and see.
14/04/2008 14:22
Guys, witseun etc. We said the same. Then I had to go over for a conference. We'd been there a week -and my wife, who said she'd die here, said 'we're emigrating'. My loyalty first is to family. And loyalty is a two way street. Have you seen how 'loyal'to South Africans the ANC has been? Anyone singing the silly song 'if you don't like it get out' and 'we don't need you' is in sheltered govt/bee employment. When I leave -50 jobs die. It took me 7 years to learn my skills. No replacement exists - dave |
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Hmmm?
14/04/2008 14:22
It is as you say, leaving for greener pastures, why make life more difficult than it already is? Greener pastures here I come!! - Luckyluke |
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Visas and other things
14/04/2008 14:22
I want to leave any pointers on how to go about leaving ? - Any pointers ? |
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To leave or not to leave ???
14/04/2008 14:22
Its tough one when I look my 16 old month doughter in the eyes. But on the other that motivates me more , and I tought to myself , Emagine everytime the "boere" was confronted with a war , half of the decided to go to AUZ ?? Battles are won and battles are lost , I am here to stay and planning to win this battle ,come AA BEE ANC who and what ever !!! - tiekies |
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And another thing . . .
14/04/2008 14:22
You are probably a single person who only has to think about his or herself. One day when you grow up and have had your own children, you will take on a more mature way of thinking and then we will speak again. You from here, and me from my new country NZ, where it is much safer to live for my kids. - Stephen Gold |
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Leave
14/04/2008 14:23
But we were told by our government to leave? - Steven |
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Not able to leave then eh, Funnybones? - Johno
14/04/2008 14:23
Brilliant......obviously he'll stick around until someone stops paying him to write this crap.....as for loyalty......get a dog !! - Gean |
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PfP (Packing for Perth)
14/04/2008 14:26
I agree that people leaving should try and not be so negative, albeit darn difficult. Are we heading in the same direction as the rest of Africa? I sure hope not, yet I'm packing for Perth too. If you want to stay then stay, I don't owe this country or any other country anything, it's just like moving to another town that's more comfortable to live in... and that's that (It's just costing us a hell of a lot more!!). - Anzel |
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Ignoring the obvious
14/04/2008 14:27
Funnybones, I would only feel guilty about leaving SA if the SA govt was doing an honest, hard job at making things better for everyone, but they're not, they're greedy, dishonest and irrational. The govt has also made no attempt to keep people in SA by agressively tackling the problems that drive people out - first and foremost crime. I love South Africa and I could accept all of its problems accept crime, I simply won't risk my families life for my own selfish reasons. - Jono |
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only the top of the ice berg
14/04/2008 14:27
You ask why the people leaving can't just do so without making noise.
The frightning thing is that most of them are just doing that. I don't think you realize to which extent people are leaving.
If their reason for leaving was just expensive fuel and load shedding I would agree with you. Sadly these people just want to survive without seeing themself or family being victims of the violent random crime. - Carsten |
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Don't believe the stats!
14/04/2008 14:27
If 90 people go on holiday and never return - and 10 legally emigrate, the total is 100 who have left the country. If 1 person returns, that equals 1%. But, the government (and that idiotic Homecoming Revolution) will produce stats which says 10% (i.e. 1 out of the 10 legal emigrants) returned and make a big song and dance over it! Morons! - Sizwe |
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Poll
14/04/2008 14:28
A good idea is for news24 to have a poll on how many people would leave if they could. - Rish |
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jannie-stem-saam
14/04/2008 14:29
People like you make me to be a proud South African.I am black,and i must admit i do lose hope sometimes,but is people like you who make some on us to soldier on. - Thusla |
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Why stay?
14/04/2008 14:29
Funnybones... you've had your wife raped? Kids shot at, stabbed. Education (which is at a worldly low) a good prospect for your children? Yeah, you're right, why leave? Why not put more effort into making SA a better place? Why indeed... Why stay loyal to something that has no loyalty to you? - Robert |
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Funnybones is so shortsighted it's not funny!
14/04/2008 14:29
White people are not welcome in this country anymore, that is very clear. This country could have been such a success if all its people were given an equal change, but in stead the ANC continues to exclude white people. Isn't this ironic? It seems that emmigration is the only viable option, for our generation, but especially to save our children from this Afro-mess. Mbeki & BOB are bloodbrothers - expect no better in SA.. - Wayne |
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Perth
14/04/2008 14:29
In response to Funnybones outcry against those who leave the country - those who do leave usually leave for good reasons. The latest almost criminal negligence that has resulted in the ESKOM debacle is just the last straw to some. Added to roads that are not maintained, and some have never been touched since before 1994, officialdom that is inefficient and often uncaring, compounded by imported inflation caused by ridiculous policy decisions, such as support for Mad Bob in Zimbabwe which recently crashed the Rand, and you have a series of straws that break the camels back. Not to mention a crime rate that verges on the spectacular, with hard earned cash and possessions being stolen as a regular occurrence, and what does he expect. Having personally been hijacked at gunpoint I can assure Funnybones that it is no laughing matter!
If Government made at least a few moves to improve the situation people might think differently - help get rid of Mad Bob, make an effort to make Eskom take rapid action to employ enough technicians to keep what few power stations are working running reliably, get rid of this awful load-shedding by hiring power or upgrading Cabora Bassa, and get the bloody police staffed and trained so they can get on top of the crime tsunami without delay. None of this is rocket science, it just requires the will to do it. The trouble is that most emigrants see NO effort being made to improve the situation, fire the guilty or poorly performing senior staff, no effort being made to reduce corruption and inefficiency. Can you really blame them for going? - Xme |
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Why leave SA...?
14/04/2008 14:33
Here are afew lines from a song that explains why
I left South Africa (need I say more?):
"Get Out! ?Nyambo! - Zubz
Tell the oppressor to?Get Out!
And tell my people?Fight!
You need to?Watch Out!
Cos I know my?Rights!
Cos, see that condescending tone
You adopt when you talk to me could get your head blown off!
Mistake my kindness for weakness
Just like you forefathers did, I?ll blind you with heat quick!
Understand I?m gonn? get the panga to your neck bi*ch!"
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Freedom
14/04/2008 14:33
Loyaty - Dont worry about the lghts, they will be load shedding and be off anyway, so you'll be fine! - Wombat |
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Pathetic!
14/04/2008 14:34
To Dries: Why did you have to wait till now? Now you want to leave SA for those pathetic Aussies?
White Aussies undermine the natives and treat them with contempt. Why didn't you leave when
the cops and the army had free acces to this country's natives. We got problem yes, but we
beat Apartheid when the world did not give us a chance. You people of little faith!! - Sandy Mangold |
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Each to his own
14/04/2008 14:36
Speaking as one of those about to leave .... When faced with a choice of either ensuring my family's safety and future OR disappointing Funnybones I find I don't have to agonize too long.
To all those who pour scorn on myself and other like-minded people ... when you come over to Europe in 10 years time with the begging bowl out, I plan to be at the front of the queue to tell you to sod off back to your "African Utopia"! - Paul G |
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To Perth or Not to Perth
14/04/2008 14:36
The only reason people make so much noise when they leave is because they ALWAYS have to defend why they are doing it to those of you how are choosing to put up with the "lifestyle" that we have become accustomed to. Have you any idea of just how hard it is to pack up and leave?? In fact I am of the opinion that it takes more balls to go than it does to stay! Maybe you should try it before you sit back and do nothing anyway to improve the situation."Turn Off" what lights????? - JustMe |
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Very convenient examples
14/04/2008 14:38
You selectively choose a few examples which affect many countries (food prices, fuel, inflation and the weakening rand) but do not mention crime, affirmative action and general state of lawlessness. Why? Because other countries do not suffer them and that would invalidate your "argument". Globalism means I can seek greener pastures when and where I want. - H |
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Reality
14/04/2008 14:39
Funnybones, reality is that this is the most violent society in the world. "Pull together as a nation" when the government will not acknowledge the high levels of crime? In Australia and NZ you can be guarenteed that their government will provide safety and security for you. Please respect those that have chosen to settle elsewhere to protect their families. - ST |
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I would leave in a heartbeat
14/04/2008 14:39
I read about a family that was on their way to the "greener Australia" when, low and behold, their house gets broken into and the woman was raped while her son was on the bed with her and her husband and daughter was locked in the bathroom... helpless... Would you still have loyalty towards your country and goverment if this happened to you? What would you do for the sake of your family's safety? - Anon |
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I'm with you but...
14/04/2008 14:40
What about people that are leaving to ensure that their children grow up in a safe environment, free from violent crime, get a good education and will more than likely get job. This has nothing to do with fuel prices, inflation, power outages etc. These are people that love SA but are moving so their children will have a better future. - love SA |
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Family before country
14/04/2008 14:40
Surely your loyalty lies first with the wellbeing of your wife and children. Whites are now seen as second rate citizens, and it will only get worse in future. The only ones that have not left yet, are either too poor or stupid to do so. - Walter |
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I'm packing my bags actually...
14/04/2008 14:41
because as you say, IF we can pull together we can sort this place out-too bad it feels as if everyone is pulling in different directions. Loyalty is great, but no one cares - Really, NO ONE CARES. And no, you're not better off without us, we're the tax payers and the business owners and the big spenders, its not our negativity thats causing crime, poverty etc. its criminals and politicians (same thing?) - baker |
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Question
14/04/2008 14:41
Funnybones, What would you do if YOU had that chance to go to places where there are greener pastures?? would you rather stay here or what? - Online |
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Dries!!!
14/04/2008 14:41
The fact that the white population is now 20% less than it was in 1994 can be attributed to a lot of factors (not necessarily emigrating). People who emigrate everytime we are faced with tought times are not genuine africans, we are better off without them. The sooner they leave the better. That will also be the end of rasism because majority of people who emigrate still see black people as inferior hence they can't stand to see a black man in power.
Majakathata. - Majakathata |
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Funnybones...
14/04/2008 14:41
Please don't sit there and tell us that all is going well in SA. You will find that the negatives far outweigh the positives, and then to hear our president say "there's no problem" north of our borders is another great worry. Are these people (including you) blind to peoples concerns? - Nick |
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Let's stand together
14/04/2008 14:42
I have a young family and an oppertunety to leave SA. Something keeps me from doing that though. I think it's got to do with my empathy for those who can't leave. The time to try and turn this mess around is now. Some will say it's already to late. The question that so many is asking right now is this one: How can I make a difference, regardless of the colour of my skin? To news.24 - please create a space where positive suggestions can be posted daily by those who can't or won't leave? - CB |
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immigration to australia
14/04/2008 14:43
does funny bones have young children? what future for them ? no jobs, substandard universities whose degrees won't be recognized elsewhere in the world. children growing up in fear do not lay a good basis for the future workers of our country.
have your opinions, sure but keep them to yourself - you do not wear the same shoes!
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I'm outta here
14/04/2008 14:43
because i can be. because i care about my future. because if i don't leave now my white children (assuming they survive through school) will leave because they won't get jobs. I am tired of being punished for something i didn't do ie: vote for apartheid. and i am tired of seeing my country fall apart. and criticise me all you want - i will think about it when i am 80 watching my grandchildren play in the street and you'll all be dead: dead at the hands of criminals and incompetence. - Tired of fools |
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Young&Black
14/04/2008 14:43
I think it useless to talk to people who are leaving. Have a safe journey. Those who are staying remember we are in this togheter, the problems u face i face. Let us pull togheter for the generations to came. If we work togheter there will be enought jobs to go around, Many people want us to be another Zimbabwe it wont happen South Africans are fighters if we vote and dont get our result we will fight for them. If u want to leave do so, please let us get on with our lives. - Bitter end |
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Sorry have to go.
14/04/2008 14:43
I go to work everday asking myself is this the day I am going to get a gun held at my head again in a robbery going to Australia as soon as our papers are ready.I have been rob at work three times already. Sorry no more.Granny - Pat |
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If you could you would
14/04/2008 14:44
You said it - better and safer. Of all my mates that have opted to go to greener pastures, not one wants to come back. One of them did come to visit his parents and he was murdered while on holiday here. I am making plans to go and I wont look back. On the news this morning: SA last out of 55 countries in terms of skills shortage, infrastucture, etc. It's going to get worse because more of us are going to leave. Who knows, Funnybones, you might just be the cleverest oke left here - what a win! - Ed |
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Leaving
14/04/2008 14:44
And to the people who agree with this article they have rocks in their heads. You know in your little heart of hearts if someone offered you a chance to live in Aus, NZ, UK you would take it with open arms, the only reason why you are agreeing is becasue you cannot leave SA. Good luck and believe me you are going to need it over the next few years the SA you once loved will no longer be a happy, safe and secure place to live anymore. X - Ingrid |
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Family before country
14/04/2008 14:44
Obviously the well being of your family comes before anything else. Seeing that whites are second rate citizens now, and that it will only get worse in future, the only ones left are too poor or too stupid to leave. Walter - Walter |
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One brush
14/04/2008 14:45
So now people have no right to complain about rape, murder, and no work? I am staying and love this land but if I can no longer find work or protect my wife and kids I will leave, and I will blame who I think is responsible for the decline in safety, employment, and human rights. Funnybones, I hear what you are saying but I'd like to see you say this after having the woman you love raped and murdered. - Michael |
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Funnybones has ostrich syndrome
14/04/2008 14:46
I am neither white nor black. Every person wants a better a life for themselves irrespective of geographical formalities. People all want the same things, being able to earn a decent living, having a secure environment to live and raise a family and having ALL the basic neccesities. Now if I was to stay and help build this country what has been done about Crime, Amenities, Promoting Investment, Maintaining a secure SADEC environment??? NOTHING. Your head is in the sand my friend! - GreenerGrass |
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Its pretty easy.
14/04/2008 14:46
Why live under massive stress about crime, violence, not geting a job, dismal infrastructure, failing schooling and healthcare, corrupt officials etc etc etc. I go put up with worse weather and live almost stress free! Its a pretty easy choice. - Paddy |
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Stay? don't think so ...
14/04/2008 14:46
Just reading things like this should give you an idea of why people are getting "gatvol" and leaving:"http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2305639,00.html
Movement for Democratic Change leader Morgan Tsvangirai was in South Africa on Monday, where the president had been tasked with seeking a solution to the crisis over who won Zimbabwe's presidential vote." What crisis?! RM lost and is stalling to rig (steal) yet another election, and TM is watching hands folded. - Jack |
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Trust
14/04/2008 14:47
I had a vision of me changing the way things were in SA when I was 6 years old while watching Tv. Now I'm 23 years old and I will still fight! I'm staying, not for myself or to piss anyone off, but because I'm fighting for the poor! It's not easy having nothing and being told just to stand up. I have so many ideas on how to help in SA, if someone will just give me a chance and listen to me, support me, or believe in me. It's a struggle to stay positive but leave? I can't,Love this Country to much - ani |
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Leaving SA
14/04/2008 14:47
It is easy for him to say that , his wife or daughter has not been raped yet , Or having a gun against your head . - crime hate |
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Wisdom
14/04/2008 14:48
Sun Tzu wrote that knowing when to retreat was the mark of a smart general and an even wiser man. In investment markets it's all about knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. I recall another wise man saying that people in glass houses should not throw stones. Food for thought. - B |
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Not About Loyalty
14/04/2008 14:49
Read the history books a little bit more man. The reason Europeans left for America, Australia, South Africa and other countries in the 1800s was due to the theocratics violent ways life was in Europe. They moved to safer and greener pastured countries. Loyalty was never an issue. It was always about getting a better life for one and his or her family. I'm not surprised people are leaving. It's the way humans operate. I agree that we have to face our problems. But hey man, life is tough here!!!!! - Holahola |
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Loyalty?
14/04/2008 14:49
Please, we have tried and tried, I am tired of trying.who can be so irrisponsible to deprive a safe and stable childhood from their kids. As a midle aged white man just can't get a job and I have skills! On demand! Took 2 weeks to get work in overseas and my kids keep on asking why didn't we come sooner. They just kids! Who wants to be crime statis |
