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THABO'S LEADERSHIP CREDIBILTY???
21/04/2008 14:34
What leadership credibility??? Reckon Mbeki has lost that a looooooong time ago without any assistance from anybody whatsoever! - Kobus Hattingh |
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Pathetic
21/04/2008 14:37
It is such an injustice to humanity and democracy. How could one man destroy the lives of innocent peolpe to line his own pocket.This individual should be locked up and put in front of the hague for his actions.Not only has he made his own beloved country sick, he has infected his neighbours.Mbeki has shown his true colours and surrendered his country to the power of greed - concerned |
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Thabo needs two round things that come in pairs
21/04/2008 14:38
Thabo has neutered himself and desperately needs someone to donate a backbone to him. Thabo was the author of NEPAD ("newish" plan for africa's demise). - Dries |
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Well said!
21/04/2008 14:39
The whole Zim saga is just giving more and more credibility to Afro-pessimists and racists! - Juan |
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Know What ...
21/04/2008 14:41
I have had it with Zimbabwe. They made their bed they must sleep in it. I wish all the europeans, Settlers , What ever our whites are called daily can all pack our bags and go back to europe and leave africa to the mercy of dictators like Mugabe , he is not the first nore the last. I would love to see the picture after few years... - charlie |
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Why mediation?
21/04/2008 14:43
Mediation led to peaceful, largely credible elections, job done. The people have spoken, and by all accounts, have hoofed Mad Bob into touch. By rights, there should be NO mediation, there should be action of the highest order, to compel Mad Bob to comply. But NO!!! Turbo / SADC and even the AU don't have the nads to take on Mad Bob. Very sad. Nice writeup. - SkerP |
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Well Spoken
21/04/2008 14:45
Truly well spoken. - HoRRoR |
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It took union workers and the high court
21/04/2008 14:45
To tell the arms ship to bugger off. "We dont want Africans killing Africans". Mbeki had no problem with it. I am OUTRAGED! Im shaking, and I'm livid. Mbeki, you are a USELESS lapdog. A little brak that DESERVES to be dropkicked. Spineless!!! WHY DO YOU COLLUDE WITH DICTATORS?! - Sinudeity |
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mbeki protects mugabe
21/04/2008 14:46
because they share the same values and mentality. If Mbeki could he would run south africa just like mugabe is running zimbabwe but unfortunately for him this people of this country will not allow it. mbeki has always been a fool a clown at best and him and mugabe must rot in hell. i see the recount in zimbabwe is flawed due to tampered ballot boxes god save us all. - terence |
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At least they not a british colony ...
21/04/2008 14:47
Anymore ,, So hey put that on paper and serv it to the starving woman and children , see if they prefer to eat independance or British coloneal bread??? - bongani |
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And only..
21/04/2008 14:48
And only in your dreams would he actually answer you!! - Michelle |
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Nothing anyone can do
21/04/2008 14:49
I dont think Africa can save Zim,Zim will have to save itself - or completely destroy itself...the ship is trying to find its way which will provide the answers - Hilton |
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No credibility
21/04/2008 14:50
Good article but Mbeki lost his credibility a long time ago. Wasn't surprised by Mbeki's utterances and response, was to be expected and consistent for this failed and disgraced excuse for a leader. - jonathan |
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Mbeki's credibility
21/04/2008 14:51
Robert Mugabe did not ruin Mbeki's credibility: Mbeki ruined it all by himself.
I know people will argue it, but Mbeki is truely the worst president south africa has ever had, INCLUDING all previous presidents.
Under his rule, everything just went backwards. At least under the previous regime, things got done: crime was fought and won, hospitals were built, powersupply was constant, and education was of the best in the world.
None of these few mentioned things are true under Mbeki. - Joe |
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Sorry to say....
21/04/2008 14:51
Mbeki didn't need Bob to prove what kind of a person he is, all it did was show the rest of south africa! - Audrey |
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Lets be honest,
21/04/2008 14:52
Everyone was hoping for a free and fair election that would have ended Mugabe/Zanu PF rule and would be the beginning of a new liberated Zimbabwe where the people could start to rebuild a shattered economy.
In reality, another fixed result where our African leaders say and do nothing.
We are dissapointed but not supprised. It's the African way!
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No help needed...
21/04/2008 14:53
Mbeki ruined himself...no help needed from Mugabe. Additionally...birds of a feather flock togehter. - bongani |
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Mediation
21/04/2008 14:54
TM failed zimbos long ago.he buy the face of Mugabe,All what he practice is satisfy Mugabe with the expence of MDC. - Bethuel |
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Great article Lucas
21/04/2008 14:55
Well written.It's weird waking up from a dream only to realise you are now in a nightmare.I think the reason they don't lke Morgan is because he is looking more like the african dream than all the others on this continent.He certainly embodies the beliefs and hopes of so many africans and is the man to take africa into the future let alone Zim - psycobabble |
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What Mbeki can do
21/04/2008 14:57
DEMAND that Mugabe steps down RIGHT now!!! - Sinudeity |
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Not aware..
21/04/2008 14:57
That he even had some leadership credibility. - Martin |
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Lucas,
21/04/2008 14:57
thanks for this amazing insight in the situation. I do hope other readers and posters will share your concern. I most certainly do. And you are correct, the world is laughing at Africa. - hjs |
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Maybe Mugabe sees what we don't see!
21/04/2008 14:57
Maybe, just maybe Mbeki isn't convinced Morgan is the best replacement for ou Bobbie, maybe there's nothing he can enjoy than telling him to go to hell with sis Grace, just maybe the elders of Africa won't let him. Maybe he want's to see where it will all end- maybe he can try the same tactics next year. That's me!! - THAPELO |
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I NEVER THAUGHT I'D SAY THIS
21/04/2008 14:59
..but I can't wait for Zuma to become president!!! - Juan |
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Save face
21/04/2008 15:01
If Thabo Mbeki wants to save one of the many faces he has, i suggest he ENSURE that the arms NEVER reach Harare. Believe me people, no sooner will they be dished out, they WILL inevitably make their way across the border. He must change his stance NOW ir be forcefully removed from office. - John Camp |
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The Zim issue in context
21/04/2008 15:02
I think our president has done something at least, and it is up to the people of zimbabwe(MDC&Zanu-PF) to work together for the sake of peace and stability in the country.But then again i think the playing field is not level with regard to the news coverage in the country as the south african and the so called international media seems to be to interested in the MDC's side of the story and in that manner one wonders as to wether the MDC is the only party that carries the aspirations of Zim'ppl. - Phet |
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What r u smoking?
21/04/2008 15:03
Thabo did this all by himself!! - john |
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True...
21/04/2008 15:05
Very good article Lucas. Its time for Mbeki to be more selfish, to think of SA before Zim to try and restore any credibility we once had in the international community. The irony is that him being selfish will actually help Zim. - Jono |
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I NEVER THAUGHT I'D SAY THIS
21/04/2008 15:06
I am with you Juan , he cant possible do a worse job than Mbheki can he , Change is good - charlie |
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Thabo Mbeki Eish, eish, eish
21/04/2008 15:06
SA will go down in history as the country who stood by and watched is neighbours being killed, pillaged, dying of hunger....and like Nero (nearly) playing his fiddle while Rome burnt, Thabo still has the gall to hold Bob's hand. Sickening and disgusting. I am so ashamed. What are they playing at. They are the joke of the moment. Mugabe's just pure evil. - Alicia |
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The truth.....
21/04/2008 15:07
The only reason i can think of for Mbeki's attitude towards Mugabi is that Mad Bob has given Mbeki a couple of farms and mines in Zim. Mbeki's silence is completely self serving and self preserving. He has as much Zim blood on his hands as Mugabe - DONNO |
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Runs in the family
21/04/2008 15:07
Maybe the little known fact that Mbeki and uncle Bob is far off related has something to do with the way he handles Zim. - Lithium |
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So what's your point?
21/04/2008 15:07
Nothing new is this and also no new slant to the story. Everything you say here Lucas is old hat... or are you trying to say that Comrade TM personally confided with you in this matter? What's your point? - saliem |
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FACT:
21/04/2008 15:08
Thabo is a spineless and useless president. FACT: there IS a crisis in Zim, FACT: there is a crisis in South African politics. FACT: The ANC heirarchy are allowing him to bury himself before he ends his tenure. FACT: Bob is a meglomaniac FACT: Bob drinks his tea from ENGLISH china but he sees "china" and thinks it's made there! FACT: Bob will still be president after the "recount" and FACT: Stuff 'em all, let them stew, it's of their own making!! Viva Africa Viva... NOT!!!! - Gee PMB |
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Best of friends.
21/04/2008 15:11
Mbkei for all i care can go stay with Mugabe
in Zim. - Sbu |
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Juan - And I thought that I would never say this
21/04/2008 15:11
I agree with you man - noted for future reference - saliem |
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new president..
21/04/2008 15:12
i think a white president is needed to sort Zim out. maybe from Britain? - no-name |
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The truth
21/04/2008 15:12
MBeki owns investments in Zim, in the mining sector. He is just protecting his own interests. He also owns diamond concessions in the DRC. Problem is if he publicly critices Mugabe...the truth will be revealed and he is doomed...hence quiet diplomacy. It creates the illusion that he is doing something while at the same time supporting Mad Bob...truly sad :( - TM |
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Africa is a failure
21/04/2008 15:12
Africa is indeed a strange place with very strange leaders and customs. Great natural wealth but what an absolute management failure. Time and again they fail. Will they ever learn? Not in the next 100 years imho. SA will go the same way. - George Smith |
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no action !!
21/04/2008 15:14
What nice reading material for critics, anyone stop to think that two negatives don't produce a positive reaction, where is the encouragement to have Mbeki do any different? Is he not the chosen voice of SA? - LP |
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Bit off topic but I just have to tell you about this
21/04/2008 15:14
A 'thought leader' on the M&G website posted about how just before the Rwandan genocide there was a small article in the press about a shipment of machetes arriving from China 'to clear the land' with... And now we really know what 'Clearing the land' means. Mbeki do not leave it too late to do the right thing please!! - May |
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ZIM
21/04/2008 15:14
The world is laughing at Africa AGAIN they will continue to do so long after we that are reading this article have gone. Please people this is Africa. All of the leaders work the same, we in SA are spared because we have a lot more intellegent people that will not allow the country to go to the dogs. Please Mr Zuma step up to the plate and hit a few home runs - we are in dire need of some!!!! - Chris Pieters |
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Basket case
21/04/2008 15:14
Africa is finished !!!
BOB is the African hero of all heros!!
Finished and klaar. - MS |
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Dreams?
21/04/2008 15:15
What dreams? There are no dreams. - Thabo Mbeki |
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YAWNN
21/04/2008 15:18
No crises in Zim,no crises with Eskom,no crises with aids,no crises with crime. - tt |
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THAPELO - Maybe Morgan isn't the best
21/04/2008 15:19
But its not for you, or Mbeki to decide. Its up to the Zim people. - Sinudeity |
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Bring down Mugabe
21/04/2008 15:21
Does anyone remember how quickly Ian Smith fell once South Africa acted in concert with the rest of the world and imposed sanctions on Rhodesia? And that was when Rhodesia was a functioning economy - albeit an unequal one. How long would it take for South Africa to bring the current Zim basket case to its knees if it simply closed the borders? - jeremy |
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Correct, ...
21/04/2008 15:21
Mugabe didn't ruin Mbeki's credibility, Mbeki did it all on his own. The protection of a handful whilst millions are staving and suffering....sounds fimilar. Zuma as president sounds better by the day. - Alvin |
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agree with Lithium
21/04/2008 15:21
i also heard Mbeki and Racist Bob are somewhere down the line related through relatives marrying in oeach others families. blood is thicker than water, which shows how weak Thabo's character really is. a good leader is not necessarily a popular one when is comes to reprimanding unethical friends and family.this holds no ground in africa. its called ubunti folks. - mp3's mentor |
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Good point Lucas!
21/04/2008 15:22
South Africa does NOT need people like Pik, PW and Mr No Crisis MBeki. What we need in SA is someone (of any colour) who truly manages the country for ALL the peoples (regardless of race) and who will make us proud by being truthfull and honest to himself by calling a crook a crook and a skelm a skelm. SAUnite!! - UKBoertjie |
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Mbeki can't oppose Mugabe
21/04/2008 15:22
because it would be tantamount to admitting that another country in Africa has failed without help from the West. Its simple really, if he can pretend everything is fine (no crisis) then Africa has not failed its people. But, by doing this, he only perpetuates the crisis and adds his finger to the trigger that is doing the killing. Bob and TM may still end up at The Hague answering some very uncomfortable questions. - ian |
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Go back to the roots
21/04/2008 15:23
I read this weekend that Heidi Holland, author of the book "Dinner with Mugabe", believes that Mugabe might only be pursuaded to negotiate with the British government. She infers that otherwise Uncle Bob is here to stay. A point that seems to be ignored in the whole saga is that the British did not honor their part of the Lancaster agreement. If they had, we might not have the current crisis in Zim. - bokkie |
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Do not forget the Zimbabweans
21/04/2008 15:24
The Zimbabweans must not wait for Mbeki to help Zim. They are the masters of their destiny. They must rise up if they feel TM has failed them. They need to sort Bob out as soon as possible. I did not hear one Zim org opposing the transportation of arms from China to their country. Not one, why? Zimbabweans wake up and fight for your country just like you did under British rule. - Pasta |
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Thabo - Robert
21/04/2008 15:24
Thabo Mbeki has negotiated his own fall. No one was responsible accept himself. Maybe the country should look around Mbeki and have a look at his closest advisors - WHO ARE THEY? - jfky |
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Samora Machel Rumours
21/04/2008 15:24
I wonder what truth there is to rumours that Mugabe has the ANC by the balls in regard to Samora Machel? And if so, in what way? Blackmail does seem credible, as I don't think Mbeki is stupid. - Wondering |
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Okay Chris Pieters
21/04/2008 15:24
here's a home run for you."We are victims of our own success"! - JZee |
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When Leaders Fail.
21/04/2008 15:24
Credibility! If the latest Zim episode has done anything, its clearly defined the lack of credibility and leadership that Mbeki will go down in history for. After all his high level thinking and prophetics about African Renaissance, he hasn't been able to stand up to a known dictator/thief and help an ailing neighbour (people of Zim) in their hour of need and when the region counted on his apparent leadership. He has failed on all accounts. - steven robertson |
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Zimbo limbo
21/04/2008 15:27
Zim...country of my birth, but I think I'm gonna out live it! - Metallica Man |
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Credibility
21/04/2008 15:28
Thabo lost his crediblity a long time ago with his staunch support of his truly ineffective cronies in government. I read an international newspaper every week and I'm sorry to tell you Lucas that the world has been laughing for a while. - Jann |
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I think by now everybody knows
21/04/2008 15:28
Zim has an illegitimate government, that Mugabe is tampering with the ballot boxes, that Zim is under military rule e.t.c. The sad thing is that TM's actions are giving credibility to the racist views we read here daily. I think i now understand why the ANC delegates choose a morally corrupt man as leader over Mbeki. Sad indeed! - tshepo |
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Mbeki is a good leader & an intellectual
21/04/2008 15:28
This is a typical recycled article which provides no insight to the vivid reader. For your information, President Mbeki has good leadership qualities which supersides those of Bush & Brown combined. The problem with you is that you believe in white media, which obviously clouded your judgement. As a word of advice don't believe in everything you read, lost brother. No to Britain colonisation and forget about the "laughing world"= Briatin. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Nonsense!
21/04/2008 15:29
This article is part of a secret British and American imperialist plot to deliver Africa back to its colonial plunderers. (The Chinese are okay, though.) - biobot |
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Blood is thicker than water
21/04/2008 15:29
I heard some interesting facts : Thabo's sister is married to Mad Bob. Thabo and Mad Bob jointly owns diamond fields in the Congo. Mad Bob owns the majority share. The diamond fields are the reason why South African troops were sent to the Congo to 'keep the peace'. With that in mind, it all makes sense why Thabo thinks all is well in Zim and why he won't speak out against Mad Bob. - Frank II |
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Thank you for speaking the truth
21/04/2008 15:29
It is so good to see read an article written by a black South African (I assume from the name) speaking the truth about an African dictator and our lack of leadership in SA. Too often white South Africans when making such comments are branded racists. I have always been the one fighting for Mbeki and supporting his obvious intelligence and leadership acumen, however recently he seems to have lost the nerve to make big decisions! - Nick |
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ZimbSA
21/04/2008 15:29
The debacle in Zimbabwe,Mbeki's visit to the country and to make the statement "no crisis" reminds me of 9/11 - both presidents were overawed by the situation and became frozen and lead footed not knowing what to say and least of all what face to show the press. Mbeki will go down in our history as the intelligent idiot that led the country around in the desert for 8 years and achieved nothing of significance to advance the well being of the country. The king that lost his crown and didn't rule - gcr |
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Haven't been this proud
21/04/2008 15:30
to be a South African for a while. People standing up to dictatorship like those brave ship workers in the Durban port have saved a lot of lives this weekend and taught me the whole country has not gone insane like Thabo "Mugabes Mate" Mbeki... Thanks guys thats the South Africans I know... - me |
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Mugabe is a genius
21/04/2008 15:30
An evil genius. He takes good things like the SADC elction guidelines and perverts and abuses them. He has his henchmen beat people but not kill them. He detains helicopter pilots and TV sattelite crews, wrapping them in red tape while disabling his opponents. He is a horrible, perverted evil genius. Zimbabwe will only recover when he and his ilk have slithered off. Trouble is that will take another 28 years! - Alan |
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TM could do little else
21/04/2008 15:33
Come on guys what on earth do you expect TM to do? The man is terrified of BOB. The Zim army would kick SA`s backside and then BOB could rule SA as well - can you imagine - Paradise for Saliem and co but not so hot for the farming community ;) - Stryker |
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Mugabe blackmails Mbeki?
21/04/2008 15:34
Don't you think that RM knows something about TM? I personally believe this theory. - Mzekezeke |
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What credibility?
21/04/2008 15:37
Thabo has no credibility anymore. His lack of leadership has cost South Africa dearly economically and politically and we have become a international embarrassment. - PANGEA |
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Smell the roses
21/04/2008 15:40
CANNOT ANYONE UNDERSTAND WHY AFRICA IS QUIET ABOUT ZIM???????? THEY CONDONE HIS ACTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Steven |
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Dear Zimbabwe
21/04/2008 15:40
In light of your failure to even feed anyone in your country besides your power mad dictator, now that the Great British Empire has left you to your own devices, you are hereby notified that, in order to restore bread to your baskets, you will forthwith begin a transition back to becoming a Crown Dependency of Britain, under Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, with a British Governor. You will be led to become civilised and prosperous again. Yours Sincerely, Britain - Colonist |
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Thabo...
21/04/2008 15:41
I heard that Thabo Mbeki also said over the weekend that there is no crisis in the Bulls Camp!
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I do suspect that ..
21/04/2008 15:41
the lancaster agreement is the piece to the quite mystery puzzle in the form of Mbeki!The Brittish should also come clean about the whole deal & the Zimbos should stop damanding our sympathy for their failure to participate in toppling Bob if they think they've had enough of him.As for the shipment,wish i could get my hands on the package to send to Juan as a present,its gon be nothing explosive Bro!! no crisis either. - Les-Maada |
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Words from comrade peter Mokaba
21/04/2008 15:41
"I rather die for a man than let the enemy pass".All african leader must come clean willingly to stand by the truth and die for telling(sticking) such truth until justice and good gorvernence is meet. - dr phil247 |
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Suggestion
21/04/2008 15:41
Zimbabwe used to be a great place, for many obvious reasons. Why cant SA leaders just go and take over Zim and make it another province of SA??? - Equilizer |
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You know what's scary?
21/04/2008 15:41
That an embattled politician like Zumi starts looking like a messiah more and more every day that Mbeki holds office. It's actually quite funny. Just for the record.. Mbeki boy, your'e and absolute idiot in a smart suit. You say little and look like you know what you say (but the WORLD know that you're actually stupid) and when you speak you also say nothing. Go quiet diplomacy yourself to Zim, or better yet, go to China, china. - Jannie |
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Zim.
21/04/2008 15:45
Forgget Bod and Mbeki. What will SA and the rest of Africa do about the killing that has already started. Sorry forgot.....the last time Bod had thousands of his pepole killed we did nothing. Must be the fault of the Brits. or someone else.
Is it not time that we all stood-up for what is right for all of us Africans instead of looking to blame other countries, racism etc. etc. - Ricky |
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Echo all sentiments - But terence
21/04/2008 15:46
terence You are out of line. Mr Mbeki is still a human being and still the president of South Africa nogal and I don't think it is okay to call him "a fool". Mr Mbeki is more intelligent than we are . If I were Mbeki, I would have intelligently said the same. (I am angry at Mr Mugabe and his cronies in the army and ZEC.) Mr Mbeki does not want to be responsible for precipitating the situation into chaos. Lives will end if he recklessly says things. It's up to Mugabe and Tsvangirai now not Mbeki. - JR |
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Mediation is not working
21/04/2008 15:46
and will serve no purpose.Mbeki is not even worried about the delayed election results.Whatever he is doing with regards to the Zim crisis...he is doing so on his personal capacity and not from SA citizen's mandate or for the people of Zim.He's actually an embarrasment! - boyzie |
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Zimbabwe
21/04/2008 15:47
A very good article, Lucas! Well thought out one as that as well. I have two dreams (sigh) 1. To see Robert Mugabe disappear from the face of this earth (dream on) 2. Zimbabwe back on its feet!! So that the people can, once again hold their heads up high Any way do not think that it will happen in my life time Pity! - carol |
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Thabo Mbeki
21/04/2008 15:48
If and when Mugabe is brought to trial, Mbeki must be charged as an accomplice. What happened to a world that said "never again"? It,s very clear that we live in a world where "human rights"
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every dog gets his day
21/04/2008 15:48
The problem in a lot more intense than most people are aware. Mugabe helped the ANC in the days of apartheid and therefore the SA government will always be allies of the Mugabe regime. Once Mugabe loses power of Zimbabwe, he also loses head of state immunity for international human rights abuses (remember what happened to Sudam Hussain?)Hopefully he (Mugabe) will be brought to justice some day! That would be utter victory - Brenda |
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WORST LEADER IN HISTORY
21/04/2008 15:49
By far South Africas worst ( Quitest ) leader in History. No problem has ever been solved by keeping quiet and not addressing it. Wonder what his view will be on the fact that SADC members has already confirmed that the recount is futile / flawed.Funny that leaders still want Mbeki to mediate, or is that to keep quite.... - JP |
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I think......
21/04/2008 15:51
I don't know if Morgan will be a good president, but lets face it, given a choice anybody would choose Morgan anyday over Mugabe. I think the devil would even be preferable. Has anybody noticed how our own president has become soooo bad that we are welcoming the thought of somebody like Zuma as our future president!!! We sound more and more like Zim everyday. We would rather have a rapist, fraudist, polygamist yes-man as our president than Mbeki!!!
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Well!!!
21/04/2008 15:53
When will the people of Africa stand up and say enough is enough?How many more generations have to come and go,b4 the people of this continent realise that their leaders are taking them for a ride and are useless?Its sad that the laughing bit is true,this continent has become a joke in the eyes of the world.Tshepo,after seeing that idiot Mbeki,stand by and deny that there is a crisis in Zim,I am actually glad that Zuma got elected over him. - nWo |
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Zim and Mbeki
21/04/2008 15:53
I have always been a supporter of Mbeki. He was a Jan Smuts i.e. a world leader but not recognised in his own country. Now it looks as if Mugabe will be his Achilles Heel. Mugabe will ruin both of them. No legacy for coming generations. Many lost opportunities for greatness! - bennie |
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Well said...
21/04/2008 15:56
Its nice to know that not only whites criticize our esteemed leaders... - spongebob |
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never thought i'd say this...
21/04/2008 15:57
Don't you get it? It's a plot to make us accept Zuma. Already more and more people are saying he can't be as bad as Mbeki... - taurus |
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Dear Zimbabwe
21/04/2008 15:57
In light of your failure to even feed anyone in your country besides your power mad dictator, now that the Great British Empire has left you to your own devices, you are hereby notified that, in order to restore bread to your baskets, you will forthwith begin a transition back to becoming a Crown Dependency of Britain, under Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, with a British Governor. You will be led to become civilised and prosperous again. Yours Sincerely, Britain - Colonist |
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The sad truth for Zim and SA
21/04/2008 15:58
Abraham Lincoln - "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power".
How the mighty have fallen, just a pity they are taking all of us down with them. - Alicia |
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Good Article
21/04/2008 15:58
We should all put our heads together and try figure out what will work for Zim. What can we in SA do to help the people. Quiet deplomacy is not working and obviously neither would an invasion. So how do we get Zanu-pf to step aside and admit defeat? - Rian |
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The sad truth for Zim and SA
21/04/2008 15:59
Abraham Lincoln - "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power".
How the mighty have fallen, just a pity they are taking all of us down with them. - Alicia |
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Africa and the world must really pull their heads out of their arses...
21/04/2008 16:00
or wherever they are hiding them and put an end to this warmongering dictator/psychopath once and for all.They are letting him get away with murder yet again (literally!).If they don't we are going to have another Rwanda/Burundi on our hands,perhaps even worse (there again everyone in power said a lot but did f..all!). - The Truth |
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The 'Incredible' Deluded Thabo Mbeki
21/04/2008 16:00
Thabo Mbeki has got zero creditability. In fact he is the laughing stock of the civilized world.
Some say he has symptoms of a mental paraplegia.
He has betrayed Zimbabweans who reject genocide, corruption, kleptomania, and gross human rights abuses.
He with his cohorts Aziz Goolam Pahad and Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma are absolute disgraces to mankind.
Collectively they have Zimbabwean blood on their hands.
Someone needs to find out the REAL roots of the special relationship between these two comrades (Mugabe and Mbeki). When revealed, it will probably defy rational logic.
- Buffoon Observer |
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Point proved
21/04/2008 16:01
Thabo, Mugabe, the SADC and the AU have proved yet again what the rest of the World already knows - Africa is a joke! Bring on JZ so SA can make the final slide into chaos just like Zim. - Erix |
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Zim down the drain
21/04/2008 16:03
..but I wonder: what could anybody really do? lets say Tboz took a hardline with Bob...and Rob promptly told him to go to hell..what then? sanctions wont hurt (prob got squillions in foreign banks) where wiould we be then? - VG |
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Bokkie !! What do you know about the Lancaster House Agreement ?
21/04/2008 16:03
Look it up at Wikipedia. A fund was set up with money from the UK but Note the following : "While some land was purchased by the fund, few families were resettled. Instead, hundreds of appropraited farms ended up (with) cabinet ministers, senior government officials and wealthy indigenous businessmen. Most British and Americans cut their losses and money, alleging widespread corruption." Uncle Bob will not give up power and will not think about negotiating with Britian - From Zim |
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Mbheki syndrome
21/04/2008 16:04
I agree with those who think that Zuma will not do worse than this and this I say in the sense that I have at least heard Zuma saying I am sorry for doing wrong whereas with TM out of all his failures you will hardly hear him saying I am sorry South Africa for the wrong decision I have taken. - Dlathu |
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LANCASTER AGREEMENT
21/04/2008 16:04
For those fools still babbling about the suspension of the Lancaster Agreement - Britain did so out of protest because Mugabe was giving land to his cronies instead of the people for whom it was intended-the poor!He had also abandoned the "willing buyer/willing seller" which was core to the agreement and was allowing the "wovits" to occupy farms. Bob also could account for only 17 mill of the 500 mill pounds given by Britain for the project. No doubt all in a foreign bank account!! - johnson |
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He an F#^$* Idiot
21/04/2008 16:05
I spoke to the dictator and he assured me there is no crises. All those years the anc lived on Zims hospitality for free actually had a price tag attached. The price, to bend mbeki over a barrel and stick it to him. Payback is a bitch, but hey you voted this poephol in live with it.
And its only going to get worst in SA.
- Bob Smith |
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Vivid comments Calvin
21/04/2008 16:06
what exactly are vivid readers, or perhaps you meant lucid? Either way, your comments are once again about as helpful as a Manto in an Aids epidemic. There is no Western plot to do damage to Africa. In fact, they'd like to see us succeed so we can stop asking for handouts. WAKE UP and smell the rot! - ian |
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Crisis - What crisis?
21/04/2008 16:09
There is no credibility left in Africa. Any credibility that Africa may have had is gone. Africa can blame no body else except itself for the demise of this continent. All the whites who could do any thing to Africa left Africa 14 to 28 years ago. Africans only have them selves to blame for the demise of Africa. - Gary |
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JR - Not ok to call him a fool.
21/04/2008 16:14
Sure, we should be patriotic etc. But I'll use George Bush as an example. He lead his country to Iraq under pretence that there was weapons of Mass Destruction there. There wasn't. We should not blindly follow our leaders everywhere. This is a democracy. We are not mindless drones. If your President screws up. Let him know. If he doesn't want to admit it, kick him in the arse. - Sinudeity |
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And what are you doing (besides dreaming)?
21/04/2008 16:14
Lucas, are you & others who call him a lame duck president, question his credibility also not guilty of making Africa a laughing stock. Govt. is bigger than Mbkei-unless of course I'm living under a dictaroship & don't know it! PS Why does the AU support Mbeki? Why doesn't most of Africa seem to support Tsvangari. Maybe get the facts first, before passing judgment. - lekkalik |
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So sad!
21/04/2008 16:16
Shame Thabo.Your loyalty towards bob,is truly going to haunt you forever.Going down in history as a complete failure isn't exactly what you thought would happen.Eish!.bob is a disgrace for Africa and so are you! - jl |
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Where is the ANC?
21/04/2008 16:18
Can you not veto Mbeki? Your stance surely CANNOT match those of our sleeping President. Bush and Mbeki will go down as the worst Presidents. They both are idiots as well. Just because you cross your fingers, and look contemplatingly into the distance, does not make you a smart man Mr. President. - Sinudeity |
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