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education
23/04/2008 16:06
I lived overseas for 6 years. It was there that I realised just what a high standard of education I had received under the old government. This, if nothing else, makes me more privalaged than milions of blacks my own age - no matter who my family voted for. It was this realisation that made me return to SA in the hope that I could help rebuild and in some small way make up for the past. I thought it very wrong to be using this education to enrich another country. - greggo |
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ANC is STILL a terrorist organisation!
23/04/2008 16:07
..just not in the conventional way. We have the 2nd highest crime rate in the world, and normal people (regarless of color) are all TERRified. The government (anc) does absolutely nothing about this. Theire propaganda machine is also WELL OILED. Voting for any other party than the anc makes you a racist and pro-colonialist! - Juan |
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GOOD CITIZEN
23/04/2008 16:08
It is about not being welcomed or not. YOU ARE A GOOD DAMN CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY. Staying or not staying is optional for whites but for me...whether dark or blue...I have to stay here. So sister live your life the way you want..and I applaud you and 'am happy that you are not bitter about our new establishment. - Vusi |
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Welcome?
23/04/2008 16:09
You are welcome to stay provided you accept that you have to become an agent for change. Accept that you are of africa and therefore african. We are living in a developmental state and we want to transform society. The moment the penny drops on that revelation, we start to become one nation working towards the same vision for the same reasons! ALuta Continua! - Cape Town Kid |
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The answer is no
23/04/2008 16:10
You are not welcome in this country if you're white.No matter how much you apologise the answer is still no.You have clearly illustrated that in the past with the bloody nats in charge they said the same thing to the blacks.Just like they used the tactic of communist threat and terrorism.This govt and blacks are doing the same with racism.It's the ying and yang of things - psycobabble |
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Yip
23/04/2008 16:10
I agree with your questions below, I don't feel welcome here, even though I was never old enough to vote during the times of apartheid and went to a mixed raced primary and high school. I know we would have had advantages over people of other races - so does that mean we should leave or stay? - neither seems to make people happy - if you leave you're running away (traitor to the country), if you stay you have to live with being labeled a white racist. - J |
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agree
23/04/2008 16:10
i am white and proud to be white, but it doesn't say that i hate everybody who don't have the same skincolour as i have. why can't we all life together in this country. i wasn't even born in '76, only 5yrs later, i had no idea what went on that time.i ask the same question, is there a place for me in SA? i certenly hope so, i don't want to leave my country - Wern |
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Hurtful
23/04/2008 16:11
There's nothing as hurtful to blacks as hearing a white person say 'don't blame apartheid for your misery' or 'that was in the past, get over it'. If most whites who post their opinions are a bit more sensitive about apartheid, things would be different. To fix the damage, you must first acknowledge the cause then work towards the solution. I think most whites suffer from ignorance more than racism. Thanks for the article. - Chris-T |
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Shame
23/04/2008 16:12
It seems all the ANC's and SABC's efforts to fill you with guilt have worked. I am so happy for you. Personally I did NOTHING prior to 1994 that I would not wan't subjected to the "daylight test". How many ANC people could say the same. - Dries |
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Don't listen...
23/04/2008 16:15
... to people like Calvin, Kolobe and other Black racists. I work with the best bunch of new black stars, those that will take this country forward and they are awesome. They have accepted that we were lied to and cheated. They know we were fooled into believing black people equalled terrorism and they know that we are staying to make this country great. Let the youth of this country take us forward for the old harbour too much hatred and mistrust towards each other. - Point Blank |
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Learn from this Jon Qwelane ...
23/04/2008 16:16
A very good piece, DW. Thank you. - Jeff |
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Profound article
23/04/2008 16:17
DW, as a black South African, I must say that I find the perspective you've presented very informative. Your frank and honest account as expressed in this article is the kind of material which is needed to heal racial relations in this country, not rantings against affirmative action and the like which serve only to entrench suspicion in black minds about the intentions of white South Africans. Bravo. You have my respect. - VLS |
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The 'yes' vote by the whites in 1984
23/04/2008 16:19
The 1984 referendum 'yes' vote was the call of the white voters for change. The majority of the white people wanted change and were not happy with the status quo. While not debating the roles here, the general impression is white people are all considered as racists, are no longer welcome and should take their stuff (and skills) and leave. This really is the free country we all wanted now, isn't it. - Alan |
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The irony
23/04/2008 16:19
I grew up during the same period. Experienced sort of exactly what you experienced. My answer to your question is No, you are not welcome to stay. My forefathers landed in the Cape in 1692. I am, anyway you want to look at it a South African, but becoming less so day by day. And, it is not my fault. - Gerhard |
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To DW
23/04/2008 16:22
Right there with you! Hell I even volunteered for National Service because I thought I was doing the right thing..."Die Swaart Gevaar" was so scary I really wanted to protect my family! Anyway, blinkers off, I want to contribute to my country but hell some people make it difficult! - Metallica Man |
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gud athikl
23/04/2008 16:23
off course ur welcome, help build n building involves finding a balance between correcting the wrongs of the past while tryin 2 satisfy every1. in the process there r sum necessary evils that'll hav 2 b implemented 2 put the previously deprived on the same pedestal as their fair colour peers. i luv ur column bt verstaan tht the majority of ths country is still deprived. u n i r using a computer 2 communicate which in itself is a sign of MY liberation. - youngster |
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Step up...
23/04/2008 16:23
I have to say reading this post, and the comments that followed, taking the idiots out in between, I feel we can build this country to be better, there are so many good people here, and it is always the minority that wants to cause tention. It is time we become south africans... This gives me hope as well... Thanks - Willie |
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Reality
23/04/2008 16:25
Most of us DID NOT vote for the Nats.
Most of us voted Progressive and it was the Afrikaaner that clung to Nationalist ideology, and still do.
As for every white person that lived during that time, "even those whites opposed to the Nats benefited. If you lived here there was no way out of it."
Prove to me how I benefited from the Nats rule.
The English were discriminated against by the Nats and their progeny, and the same applies now.
Stop subscribing to this collective guilt crap!
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The million dollar question:
23/04/2008 16:26
"The question remains whether I am welcome to stay or not." - I would also dearly like to know this from our fellow black readers. Please can we have an honest answer? - Grootkrokkodil |
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DW
23/04/2008 16:26
I really wish half of the people who comment here thought as you do.i wish people really recognise and accept their part in our sad history. Unfortunately most "white" people here seemingly dont know what has been happening in this country, all they want is for us to forget the past" Jews commemorate the holocust"why? because they want the future generations to never forget want happened so that there is no chance of it happening again becuase people forgot.we have challeges just like everywhere. - Nkuza |
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What about the next generation
23/04/2008 16:26
Well written article and you pose a good question at the end.I just wanted to add another point, what about those that had no say in what regime was in power?I was too young to vote or understand what was going on,but I now have to deal with AA and BEE and all the other issues that are a direct result of apartheid.I do consider myself a proud South African and I am really trying hard to be positive but when the odds are against you(as a trained white male)what can you do?Look to greener pastures? - Justin |
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I feel the same
23/04/2008 16:26
I am often ridiculed in my family for wanting to stay and try and fix my country , my birthplace but I am seeing more and more white people being branded as racist due to apartheid. Loads of mates are leaving but I love SA and want to stay but the bulk of the blacks here hate my guts and don't even know me. I am afraid for my daughters future , my wife safety. I love my country why does it not love me ? - Chopstick |
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My suggestion is
23/04/2008 16:28
be patriotic to the last degree. Stand for what you believe in, no matter what. Tell yourself that never again. Our past experience in this country differs, for some it was good for some it was horrible. We need to begin a new paradigm for our children. We need to leave our children with a legacy that will sustain their lives and lead them to the perfectly harmonious and dignified world. - Brian |
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where you real not aware of the pass system
23/04/2008 16:28
whites only signs,on the train whites on couch
lots of thing, even myself as a young kid i was aware of the segregation not terrorism .so my advice to you is, can you adjast sharing with black people or go a country were there's less black maybe aussie or the kiwiland - thabo |
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Great Read
23/04/2008 16:30
This is how we reconcile. One party talks, the other listens. From a white persons perspective, I agree with DW. I think it's fitting that a black representative also speaks out about feelings in the same manner. Not vindictive abuse, just open discussion. - johann |
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Propoganda rules the day
23/04/2008 16:31
The very agents you refer to in your article have colluded with the terrorist ANC to continue to dupe all citizens of this country and that is why the struggle continues. Do not fool yourself into thinking that radio stations will provide your political education. If you think that the ANC are saviours and that the old regime have relinguished power then you are still apolitical and politically uneducated. A Luta Continua! - J |
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I think we should be welcome in the country of our birth...
23/04/2008 16:32
but I'm a white man, so maybe my opinion doesn't count. I was a 1 year old in 1976 and 19 in 1994. My 'single' mother sacrificed a lot for me to go to a good school. We lived in a small flat in Sunnyside, Pretoria. We lived okay but I never had a lot. I worked hard to get a degree and had to pay off the student loan after I got working. Did I personally oppress black people? I hope not - it certainly wasn't intended from my part. Was apartheid bad/evil? YES. Is apartheid my fault? - Jay_B |
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and dont forget...
23/04/2008 16:32
the very real Russians an Cubans fighting against CONSCRIPTED white teenagers. All white family's were put into the position where the male children could die fighting for what they believed to be true and right. Every family's boys went to the border but no-one thought there was a war. The propaganda was good. - mallencolly |
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The question remains whether I am welcome to stay or not.
23/04/2008 16:34
Trust me it is not a white issue, why do I as a coloured feel the same like you? Seriously even some of my black colleagues have had it with this country and want to leave! - Struggle not won yet... |
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What benefit
23/04/2008 16:38
What is this benefit from apartheid.My parents paid there taxes and our school fees.I can recall that black peoples taxes were used to pay my education? maybe i am wrong - Chris |
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i grew up then too...
23/04/2008 16:39
but the first time I could legally vote was 1994 and I voted for the ANC. I am white, and boy am I regretting it now. Black, white, blue or green - my government doesn't care about me. I am sick of being made to feel guilty about my skin colour and - like the blacks back then - won't stand for it. I am over "white guilt" - feel nothing for it - I am proud of who I am and that's all that matters. - Tired of fools |
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And as for the "courageous" MK freedom fighting forces...
23/04/2008 16:39
they were no little angels either.Just ask the innocents who were maimed by their many bombs,the fortunate ones who weren't blown to bits completely (black and white alike).War is a terrible thing leaving no soldier or army with unbloodied hands. - The Truth |
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What a suprise? a whitey owning up.
23/04/2008 16:40
im very happy you wrote this as i believe that the constant denials by whites over their role in Apartheid is what has caused the current climate. Your most welcome as my next door neighbour. - tshepo |
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Fab article
23/04/2008 16:40
I grew up in that period as well. I am not going to make excuses, as I surpose I knew no better. I just believed what our parents told us. Sad but true.Lets look forward and try and put the past behind us. It is difficult, I know with all that we are experiencing at the moment. - carol |
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You have the Right to be Confused
23/04/2008 16:40
Dear DW, the same NAT propaganda machine also got it right to get Nelson Mandela into power. That same propaganda machine is telling the "Settlers" every day how privileged they have been, on the other hand that same propaganda machine is telling the "Africans" that they have nothing because of the "Settlers" Now why is that, is somebody trying to get friction going in South Africa so that people will kill one another. To who's benefit is a renegade RSA? Look trough the smoke screens! - Juan |
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Cape Town Kid
23/04/2008 16:42
Can u be more specific when u say "agent for change", because this sounds like some pie in the sky concept, to all black ppl on this forum tell me what u want from me a white male south african who is forced to earn a living in the DRC, no sarcasm intended or needed, thanx - Mike |
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Apolitical politics
23/04/2008 16:45
Whites are often accused of not being sorry for apartheid The first time I voted it was for change I most of my generation?)NEVER voted to support Apartheid We were and is also victims of the apartheid -robbed from our free will and clear thinking by their propaganda left a future filled with hate the targets of crime What about our brothers that had to fight a war they did not believe in left scarred for life never to be part of affirmative action the victims again you bet are very sorry - AS well |
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Who's &rse are you trying to kiss.
23/04/2008 16:47
Bollocks, I have never read such a lot of self-flaggulating drivel in my life.
Get over yourself and your demons from your past. - bob |
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Great Article
23/04/2008 16:48
A good illustration of how I feel many South Africans feel. We are all victims of apartheid in varying degrees. - Rian |
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its a state of mind
23/04/2008 16:48
Anyone that feels that he/she is "not welcome here" has to deal with this question in their own minds. This is Africa, and Africa is not for sissies. No-one is going to send you a "please feel welcome" card. Ask what you can do for South Africa, not what South Africa can do for you. The problems in our country are bigger than the issue of whether you feel welcome or not. - witseun |
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Hear, hear DW....
23/04/2008 16:49
I grew up with exactly the same viewpoint as you. The Nats were fantastic propagandanists - Hitler could've learnt from them...or did they learn from him? I LOVE this country SO much. I in fact, salute everyone that came through apartheid - I'm so, so, so sorry for what you had to endure. White people just never "knew" - we were forced to wear blinkers and not to see or hear about the horrors. No newspaper or news report said anything except about the terrorist this or terrorist that. - Tired |
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Juan...
23/04/2008 16:51
Did you read the article in News24 about what Piet Byleveld,the top white cop said,that white afrikaners males are involved in drug manufacturing which is a crime?Does it make them terrorist as you claim the ANC are terrorist because of crime?Crime is commited by individuals not the ANC.Don't let your hatred of the ANC cloud your reasoning.There are many white & black people involved in crime and they are not ANC members.Please read the article carefully before you respond. - Godfrey |
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I was also there
23/04/2008 16:55
I belonged to the Lazy Left in the early 80's. Except for being very outspoken against Apartheid, being watched by the Security Police and attending a clandestine meeting or two in Soweto,I was nicely cocooned in my comfort zone.I could have done much more.Now I,as a white Afr. professional,is doing more by serving the whole spectrum of the SA population with my skills.I've never met a black person who told me I must emigrate(3/4 of my business is with Blacks)I'm staying to make a difference. - Lize Freislich |
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I couldnt agree with you more...
23/04/2008 16:56
..as I was a snot nosed kid when apartheid thrived. When I think of all the sh*t PW and the NP have done, I want to look up every living white politician that had something to do with apartheid and beat the living crap out of them. Those bastards came off too light for the sh*t they have done!!!!!!!!!!! - jannie |
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Apologies...
23/04/2008 16:56
The past is the past this constant whining and referral to the past is not going to change a thing.
The issue for the future is how welcome white people will be in this country in regard to matters such as equal employment opportunity, the right to business the way you want and with who you want (free market principals) and the willingness of the ruling party to obide by the very laws it was party to drafting ie the constitution!!
Should every German apologize for Hitler for evermore? - P'od |
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Guilt
23/04/2008 16:56
If you really want to kowtow to the current government give them all your money and assets then resign from your job and do charity work. That should get rid of the guilt quickly. - frank |
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Dries
23/04/2008 16:57
You can deny as much as you can but the truth will always be there.Don't insult progressive,honest,civilised people who know and acknowledge that what happened in the past was evil.You yourself has been brainwashed by the NATS and the old SAUK.Imancipate yourself from mental slavery. - Godfrey |
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re: Godfrey - let me explain
23/04/2008 16:58
It is a GOVERNMENT's constitutional RESPONSIBILITY to fight crime. It has been said (and PROVEN) that there's NO political will to fight crime in this country. Last time I checked the terrorist ANC WAS the government! - Juan |
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If anybody on this site has a problem with me being a white African...
23/04/2008 16:59
than my heart truly beats custard for them.I have no problem with them being black Africans so why can't they return the favour? I'm not going to run away from Africa,I have nowhere else to go.My distant "cousins" in Europe are a bunch of arrogant,obnoxious prats and I have about as much in common with them as I do with a deck chair,so why should I have to run away to Europe because of my ancestors? - The Truth |
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apolitical politics
23/04/2008 16:59
White people also went to Australia,Canada,The USA,etc.Not only to SA.Why is nobody asking if they are allowed to keep on living in those countries,being settlers and what not.
And if Africa is only for black people to live in,what about the Arab peoples in the north of Africa?
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to Godfrey
23/04/2008 17:00
Nice try, but something deep inside me tells me that sadly it will not make Juan go away... - konstabel |
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RE: Juan, Psychobabble
23/04/2008 17:02
I'm not surprised that morons like you took this as an oppurtunity to, as usual, stand on your soapboxes and write utter bollocks. You completely missed the point of your article in your rush to write your latest posts on why white South Africans have it so bad in the new SA. You simply have no capacity (or wish) to objectively view the situation in the country past any inconvenience to white South African's. I have no sympathy for your likes, only sheer and utter distaste. - VLS |
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@witseun
23/04/2008 17:03
Right on the spot...Please Juan stop that #$%^& you smoking man!!!!! - JM |
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tshepo
23/04/2008 17:05
My brother, I already have a black guy as my neighbour and we are good friends, Mzansi for sure!! - Point Blank |
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Rare as hens teeth....
23/04/2008 17:06
Its true you cannot find whites who voted for the Nats, they are as rare as finding a black who takes any responsibility for his actions - Evil Rich Whitey |
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@ Juan
23/04/2008 17:06
Ag boet please leave it now or leave but just stop it we tired of your anti speeches, go do some work for a change... or go work for change, either way to go. - Point Blank |
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Agreed
23/04/2008 17:07
Like what you read. It is in the past, but must not be forgotten.
This point was hammered home to me when I was in Sierra Leone in 2000, about 2 months after the rebels were kicked out of Freetown. The SL guy I was working with told me how his neighbour, whom he thought of as a friend, supported the rebels and burnt his car and his house down. I said to him time to get even. His response? "that is in the past, we must now work together to build a better future" We need to do that - P |
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Objective
23/04/2008 17:11
Nice to read an article that was not written with emotions. I think you are already taking steps to move on from the past compared to must of our citizens.
Being a black person much as I know what negative impact the past had on my life, continuously blaming the past is turning us into perpetual victims of the very situation loath so much. We end up having this freedom that we are unable to make the most of it as a nation - Olivia |
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wow
23/04/2008 17:17
very well written article.
I would even say a unique piece, purely on it's content and the level headed, clam open and honest way it was written. I remember the yellow bomb blankets too, I was a bit younger than DW, but the fear was still there. Well done....... - denis |
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Grow up.
23/04/2008 17:20
I am white,100% guilt free, and I am here to stay.
If that upsets anyone... then good! I like to see people choke on their own hypocracy!
Does that make me a racist? Hell no.
BTW. The NATS were terrible propagandists - not nearly as good as the ANC. If you disagree, open any TIME magazine or NY Times from 1984 onwards. - Whitey |
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Standing Ovation
23/04/2008 17:24
You hit the nail on the head. I don't think many black people actually realise the propaganda we were feed with a NAT shovel, however to our defence we realised and hence the referendum which most black people never mention...the majority of whites voting yes in that referendum certainly should be an apology of sorts, however to make the point I am terribly sorry for all that we, the whites did to our black brethren. Does that now exonerate me and allow me to stay in my mother country, without racist slur? - Straightalk |
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Apartheid
23/04/2008 17:33
We are still living in apartheid, I have been refused jobs because I am white - still apartheid. - denzil |
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Nkuza
23/04/2008 17:37
Nukuza, of course we are all ashamed. The things taht came out of the TRC and programs on TV made the hair raise on my back. It is unbelievable that things went on like this and for so long. Do I wish it never happened... I do. Still after all that went on and kept from us we still voted in the referendum for change. Give us at least that. Is it enough, probably not, should we have doen it sooner. YES - Heinrich |
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Nats propaganda?
23/04/2008 17:42
To say that we were inadvertantly caught up in sublte Nats propaganda is a lie in itself!
The cold and hard fact is that white people taught their children that black people are good for nothing sub-human "kaffirs" whose only purpose was to work for the white man and clean his garden!
Nats propaganda might have contributed to false beliefs about the ANC and it's agenda, but ultimately it is PARENTS who taught their CHILDREN the outright racism that stripped black people of their dignity! - Ernst |
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DW
23/04/2008 17:45
My heart felt warm just reading your letter. I believe that we need to find each other as black and whites. From this black person, believe me when I say this country is in need of people like you. We need you DW! PS. Hey, Cris-T, have I told you that I like your posts. What you said there is exactly my feelings. - Z |
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Apolictal Politics
23/04/2008 17:46
I think it's a lovely comment, straight from the heart and hope every like minded white person would feel the same. I would hope we all bear some guilt. Having said that, I believe apartheid was morally wrong but practically right. If I had been black in those apartheid days, I also would have been labelled a terrorist and would still in all probability dislike whites. This country is by far a better place to live in despite all the negative feelings. - white immigrant |
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You are being honest and wish all of your people would be
23/04/2008 17:46
You hit the nail on the head. The church assisted big time with spreading hatred among humanity and in this country (SA) should have been hauled before the TRC. For example angels are depicted as whiet and devil/satan as black ugly and monstrous. I agree that your kids, provided you have not taught them otherwise, must not be treated differently by the new South Africa's regulations such as AA or EE. Maybe we need a Church preaching regulation of some sort. - JR |
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The other side of the past
23/04/2008 17:48
You speak word for word my own past. Only my bubble has burst since the euphoria of the rainbow nation ad campaigns. Where I used to be plagued by nightmares of terrorist attacks on our house, my daughter is now plagued by attacks which is labelled under the simple word, CRIME and mocked by our president.Where as in the past we only read in newspapers about terrorist attacks such as the Wimpy, each of us can now give our own testimonials of how we survived yet another criminal act.No,no future. - Loraine |
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Your assumptions
23/04/2008 17:49
are all wrong. The NP and goverment of the time were all led by the Free Masons. What you saw as leaders were the biggest traitors in all of our history. Every president since Verwoerd was a Mason under the control of the monetory power of the Rockefellers, Rothchilds and Oppenheimers. They lied to and bullied the electorate for decades to achieve their goals. And make no mistake, their goal was(is) the rule of the land by the masses. Why, corruption feeds their pockets. - Cobus |
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@J
23/04/2008 17:54
I am certainly not fooled by the current ANC and still do not support them. But I am far more educated about the realities of what happened in the past than I ever was. I am also very aware of the realities of the present. I want to help build this country despite its problems and despite the ANC governments messups. - DW |
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Excellent piece
23/04/2008 18:03
This superb piece of writing mirrors my own experiences as a white South African under Apartheid. But I'll go a step further: I went to school at a mixed-race boarding school, where half of the people in our dormitories were black. ('84 - '88!) To me, it was perfectly normal to eat, learn and live side-by-side with black people. I only realised what was really going on much later, when it was far too late for me to have made a difference anyway... - WTF |
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The "yes" vote
23/04/2008 18:05
As for the yes vote in my circle of friends and people I meet, I can not find any person who voted "YES". They have all taken there skills and left the country. - HENRY |
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SA
23/04/2008 18:24
My collegue also has a 4 year old son, just like me and was also born in 1975.She has to teach her child about roots,history,the struggle and everything directly to do with that (the bad white man). I am trying to teach my child good manners, how to be patien,ladies first,culture,not to be partial.Both boys were born and now live in the New SA. Her son has the resentment of thepast.Both our children are worse of,mine with affaction. Our societies do not build.We need to aspire for wonderful SA! - IheartSA |
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Wannabee Builder (Part 1)
23/04/2008 18:51
I'm white. I started my business in 2000 (well into the AA and BEE era). I now employ 18 people. I pay my taxes regularly. I donate to a number of charities. Apart from a few speeding fines I?ve never had any run-ins with the law. With violent crime, lack of political official accountability and ESKOM being in the state it is in. - How do we build? |
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Wannabee Builder (Part 2)
23/04/2008 18:51
How am I supposed to build our country any further? What should I do? Should I raise my children believing that they deserve less of a chance because grand dad voted for NP?
I doubt, anything I could do, would significantly improve SA, I?m white and that is just not good enough to be appreciated by the likes of the ANCYL (our future leaders).
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What everyone really thinks...
23/04/2008 19:04
What a load nonsense. Lets go back to the 'bad' old days. No crime, better service delivery and even the blacks had it better then now...I know you're all thinking it... - George Bush |
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Drivel !!
23/04/2008 19:04
I have just as much right to be in this country as any black person.
It's not up to blacks whether I decide to stay or to leave. It's up to them to ensure that I feel like I WANT to stay.
Ensure legislation that protects innocent, law abiding citizens (black, green, purple, white yellow and blue).
Ensure that the country is run on sound business principles.
Ensure I do not HAVE to carry a gun when I walk the mountain.
Ensure my electricity supply is consistent. - bodie |
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Reality continued
23/04/2008 19:08
Ensure the education is functional.
Ensure a culture of discipline and respect amongst the youth.
Ensure that criminal caught by Police serve HRAD TIME instead of the holiday at home away from home as they currently do.
Ensure that the cost of living stops soaring.
Ensure that South Africans get preference over other Africans in all aspects of our society.
Get rid of the criminals in government.
Maybe then I and others like me will consider staying. - bodie |
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Nice Article
23/04/2008 19:09
We need more writers like you. People who critically asses the situation and ask critical questions. Not the crap the most columist write. - Bakae |
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ANC are as dishonest as the Nats
23/04/2008 19:12
In my opinion, the ANC wants white South Africans to stay in their country for ONE reason alone: to turn them into white slaves-to-guilt. They have reduced white South Africans to "sub-citizens", making it just alittle easier for them to live in SA, rather than in a foreign country with NO citizenship. I wish that the ANC would be more honest, like Mugabe is, and openly admit that their true intention is to bleed the whites and then drive them out as soon as they are no longer needed. - Puhleez |
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Shame
23/04/2008 19:17
My brother, who was never racist, was murdered at 33. I left for USA not long after. It's not worth your lives to try and rebuild a SA that do not want to change.....I have always said and will keep saying it: Africans are Africas worst enemies!!!!
- Ester |
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Point Blank...
23/04/2008 19:17
Dear Point Blank
I take great exception to you calling my friend Kolobe a racist. At worst, he is a realist. Wash your mouth out in soap.
Kind Regards
Niels - niels |
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out and happy
23/04/2008 19:20
I grew up in the same manner. I am not racist, have moved to a country which is as diverse as S.A, and am happy as hell. I have been out 7 years now, and could not have made a better move. I felt unwanted in S.A, and to be honest, could not handle the crime any longer. To all of you still struggling to decide, have a look around you and come to your own decisions. There are many countries and companies in the world dying for educated South Africans to come join their ranks. - outandhappy |
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Brilliant!!
23/04/2008 19:29
I really enjoyed reading your letter and the responses. I am pleasantly surprised at the amount of positive comments. As usual there are the idiots as well. Very well written letter, describes so accurately how I feel. I feel terrible about the inhumanity of the past. And would love to be able to contribute to the New South Africa. - Phelan |
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Change
23/04/2008 19:45
Just to throw a spanner in the works. Cherity begins at home, so amaAfrika need to change their names.Our identity has been stolen and our brothers and sisters continue to use names that were racially imposed as "christian names".It was because we were nothing close to human beings so much so that "they"(dutch and europeans) didn't want to try and pronounce or call by our indeginous names i.e Mondli, Themba, Lawukazi....They wouldn't dare. So....change starts from within not the other way. - Nkosinathi |
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@ Bodie and Chris
23/04/2008 19:59
Did you get a good education in your home language at a minimal cost? Did you, when you entered the job market, only have to compete with the previous years few thousand white matrics for a job instead of the whole population? Were your suburbs roads tarred, were you provided with running water and electricity in excess? Then, my friends, you benefitted from the apartheid system. - DW |
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Your taxes?
23/04/2008 20:03
Before any of you shout about how it was your taxes that paid for your benefits under the old system, let me inform you - I did a calculation once on a black staff member's wage at the time. I calculated his tax based on the bantu tax in place at the time. I then calculated on the SAME wage if he was taxed based on the regular tax tables. He paid MORE under the bantu tax tables. What happened to HIS taxes? - DW |
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brian
23/04/2008 20:04
well said brian,and peace to all men(and women)of good will.if we could talk to one another to understand one another better we will make this the best country on the continent. - mitch |
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Lets get the facts straight!
23/04/2008 20:18
So, you think that ALL whites benefitted from apartheid? Well let me tell you that we DID NOT! Back in the day if you were English speaking and if you were a woman in the work place you were regarded as "not one of them". And for all working married women , our tax deduction was higher than that of a married man!
It really is sad that in this country these days if you have a white skin you are automatically classified as "rich" and a "racist" albeit that this is NOT the case.
- Caroll |
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continued...
23/04/2008 20:23
And as for me, in the old South Africa I was not Afrikaans enough, and in the new South Africa I'm not dark enough, so do I feel welcome in my country of birth (not by choice) ??? Oh the answer to that is easy, I know I'm not. I don't have the finances to join the chicken run. I did not vote for the Nats, nor the ANC...so where do I go from here? To sit in the dark and count the minutes before the lights come on again! Viva South Africa!! - Carol |
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wow
23/04/2008 20:24
Welcome to reality lady, don't feel bad for also building a country and providing every necessary facility. Wonder if the Zimbabwean voters feel like you do as Mugabe tears that country apart. Doubt it. The same machine that still turns just much slower. Time will tell. - Brendo |
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