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The west is the proven evil
30/04/2008 15:31
The west will never be trusted because of their current and previous deeds. - sss |
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Great article, and I agree with you...
30/04/2008 15:40
I once saw a black guy who had the words "VIVA SADDAM HUSSEIN" written all over his car, and he got cheers from all the black guys when he drove past them. Obviously it's because Saddam was the enemy of the US, and the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Saddam Hussain nogals...by his own admission a racist, one who hated blacks and whites alike - hell even some of his own if they weren't the right "race"! - J.O |
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Thanks
30/04/2008 15:42
I thought it was only me being paranoid ;-) - mallencolly |
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Yes
30/04/2008 15:43
Brilliant piece. I realize that certain ?comrades? might feel that they owe countries like China and Russia for their help in the past, but the sooner they realize that they are only giving up one master for another, the better. If not, we are in for a dark future. - S Cronje |
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east vs west
30/04/2008 15:45
I have given up. Leave the East to colonise Africa. Maybe I can change my European name to an Asian one. Maybe ... Sum Ting Wong. - The fisherman |
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I agree 100%
30/04/2008 15:53
The West is on the decline but African politics is still framed in counterpoint to everything the West/Whites do. Whites in general have less and less influence of what's happening in Africa but still get blamed for the continent's ills. The guilt-trip game that Africa is playing on the West is rather fruitless & the new Chinese masters aren't going to be nearly as patient with the moaning. Africa will rue the day they said European colonialism was bad once they get a taste of the new colonialism - Longbow |
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China
30/04/2008 15:56
This article shares some of my own veiws on this topic. I believe that the African leaders are dealing with and forming alliances with the East,mainly China and Russia, to indicate to the West that they are alligned to a source of power and might. In the mean time, the price that they will pay is far worse than colonialism. The Chinese will extract all the resources from this land and when the land is exhausted, they will move on and leave the people in poverty. We need wise leaders now. - Stormin |
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China only cares
30/04/2008 15:57
About how much resources Africa can provide for it. In return, they will provide us with cheaply, poorly manufactured goods. - Sinudeity |
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Use resources to advantage
30/04/2008 15:57
The "West" is the perceived enemy of many African countries. The past is definately to blame with colinisation doing a lot of damage. Even though this is finished the West is still only in Africa for themselves. The East is the same, they do not give a damn about Africans. And this is the way of the world, how many Africans actually care what happens elsewhere in the world. The only people who will sort out Africa is Africans. Africa must leaverage her potential resources to uplift the people. - BJ |
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Western lie, eastern promise
30/04/2008 15:58
Parts of the world, other than Africa, suffered the yoke of colonialism. In many of these countries (Malaysia, Australia, India) we see success stories and wealth.
In these colonies you will find that people do not continuesly think about the burden they carried in their colonial past, they plan and work for the future. They try and make the colonial part of their history a positive aspect of their history. In resource rich Africa we blame our woes on the colonialists. - G.Annandale |
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nasty west
30/04/2008 15:58
Of the $600 billion dollars donated to Africa between the late 60's to date, how much came from Russia or China?
Where were the ANC headquarters prior to 1994, is wasn't Russia or China.
Who supplied the Rwandans and the Burundi's during the genocide, China.
Who is supplying the Darfur conflict and others with weapons at the moment, Russia and China.
Who is supplying Mugabe with weapons, China.
Who is filling our streets with drugs and counterfeit medicine, China and others in the East.
- Craig |
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Been thinking about this for a long time already
30/04/2008 16:00
It amazes me that these african states really believe China is here to help them...they are here for their resources.If they thought the europeans were bad wait till the chinese take over.Eg:The Chinese treat their own ppl like dirt(sweat shops etc etc etc) imagine what they will do to africa! - james |
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East-enders
30/04/2008 16:00
Let's see, our rulling party was branded freedom fighters in the past, and they're in charge at present while being in coalition with the South-African Communist party and Labour force giants Cusatu. Now, do they really to be warned against this, or isn't this maybe us online realising now what their dream was all along. Just a thought. by the way, weren't we one of the first "Western" countries to start dealing with China. My advice, let's get our passports and start getting out of here - The Prophet |
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Hectic...
30/04/2008 16:03
Yup I also smell some fishy with the whole Chinese thing. There are huge stakes here and if either the west or the east get there way we will face yet another colonized continent being plundered and exploited while "leaders" run around warring with each other. - Point Blank |
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Use resources to advantage cont...
30/04/2008 16:03
There are many ways to do this. Demand that companies coming into the country contribute to skills development. Give tax breaks for incentives to improve and maintain infastructure or provide education (quality being the premium) to locals. Create share deals in which employees (even the cleaners) or locals (not the rich elite) gain a share of company profits. There are many options.. though with incompetent and corrupt governments the norm rather then the exception this is easier said then done. - BJ |
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Give China a chance.
30/04/2008 16:08
Well my friend lets see what China bring in for exchange since you and I know very well what the west did here when they were given a chance. They ripped us off big time. And stole the same oil, Diamond and gold you are mentioning today we are told by people like you that Europe is rich but you forget to mention that they are rich because they stole all the riches from Africa and ran back to Europe to enrich themselves. China is in sane so is Europe stop being selective and bias toward Europe. - Victor |
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sss
30/04/2008 16:09
Evil west? What are you smoking? Yes some bad deeds were committed by the west, BUT bad deeds were committed by the east, too. Google Tibet. See what your "non-evil" east (China) has done to them! - Chantelle |
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Is there a better a devil
30/04/2008 16:13
Rather the devil I DON'T know than the devil I know. The devil I KNOW can't tell me about the devil I don't know. Its a DEVIL after all. Maybe these devils must just leave us in Africa alone, but I can leave with the one I don't know. - Z |
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Do some research not by what you hear or see from the TV
30/04/2008 16:16
Not true! you must get your facts straight, have you ever been to china? how can you pass judgement on something you have no idea about? what you see on TV is not the full picture!
I agree they still need to improve there human rights issue, but they are not the worst in the world thats for sure! over the past decade China improved tremendously over human rights issue, why no body look at that? people always look into the negatives. we must focus on the positives! - AR |
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Long term strategies
30/04/2008 16:26
I support the 2nd last sentence: "Both the West and East desperately need us and if we play it right we too could be a dominant force on this planet."
That we need to blame ourselves is not the right argument, but we should rather be reflecting on our position and start planning long term... Whether the possible long term strategies will include both the east and west, will only be semi-determined in the next 10 - 15 years. - ElectroMan |
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sss
30/04/2008 16:27
While Red China and North Korea must never be trusted because of their past,current (and more importantly their future) deeds either.Underestimate the imperial motives and cruelty of the Communist Chinese at your peril.We have all seen what they are capable of in Tibet and how they massacred their own people in Tianmen Square. - The Truth |
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Economic imperialism
30/04/2008 16:28
African leaders are fully complicit in the new type of colonialism by offering up their natural resources to the highest bidder. And at what benefit to the people? A hospital every now and again? With no equipment and no doctors to staff it? A new road which is unusable after the first rains? - Jane |
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Victor
30/04/2008 16:33
"..people like you that Europe is rich..." Never said anything of the sort mate, nor am I being biased towards Europe, I share a very real concern that we, as in Africa, could once again find ourselves colonised instead of free...I am neither European nor Eastern I am African and my concern lies with Africa only. - Richard Hipkin |
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Great Article, I thought I was getting paranoid
30/04/2008 16:35
The Chinese are unscrupulus and they have proved thus far to have evil intentions for Africa. Look at the chaos the ensured in Sudan, and now thay wantd to do the same thing in Zim. What a pathetic bunch and even saddening is how African leaders cannot see this. - Mjavas |
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West vs East
30/04/2008 16:36
Do you see more Africans emmigrating to the east or to the west? I hardly think one can compare in this day and age the human rights records between these two continents. The east being the worse by far, admittedly the west doesn't excatley have a good track record in the past but a far better one today. Either way Africa cannot sell out to either I think that is the point being made here. - Point Blank |
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Good enough for Africa...?
30/04/2008 16:37
Africans like Thabo are so obsessed with percieved and imagined racism that they NEVER focus on real problems. The irony is that by not focussing on REAL problems (i.e. Escom, economy, crime, HIV, roads, water, corruption, education, etc...) they are proving Africa's incompetence and assisting in the stereotyping of africa. - Dries |
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Colonial Paranoia
30/04/2008 16:37
Africans are so obsessed with the evils of colonialism, they can't see the wood from the trees. Even evil Bob looks like an angel to them.
http://blogspace.mweb.co.za/default.aspx?alias=Geoann&init - George A |
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Poor poor Africa..
30/04/2008 16:41
Africa is here to be plundered. The west did it now the east are doing it and Africans are blind to it until it is pointed out to them by the next empire in waiting. Africa has not evolved in line with the rest of the world and as such will always be victims blaming others for their short commings. Africa needs a master to feed it and nurse it and teach it, but Africa is not willing to listen. It is so sad because I am an african and I am ashamed. - JKC |
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China doesnt give a damn about africa
30/04/2008 16:48
They will come, use and abuse every resource available then leave.They dont care about anything but themselves.Their human rights records speak for themselves and has anyone seen their attitude towards animals.tiger farms,bear farms,etc..nothing good can come of it and the sooner the african countries realise this,the better... - nWo |
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How about....
30/04/2008 16:54
neither East nor West...What if an AFRICAN superpower.....Oh...WAIT.!!.. :-) - J.O |
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The west vs The east part 1
30/04/2008 17:43
Let's be neutral here. England and their colonisation of half the world is cause of many conflicts world wide. It may have happened centuries ago but the results will be felt for a long time to come. The USA uses more of the world's natural resources than any other country, including China. They also supply nuclear and other arms to governments commiting atrocities, like Israel. They account for up to half of the world's pollution. - Zee |
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The west vs The east part 2
30/04/2008 17:45
Finally, more civilians die each year at the hands of american-manufactured arms than anyone else's. So think about that Chantelle and co before commenting on the East's atrocities, which I fully condemn too. The point is if you are going to criticise than do it across the board and not just selectively. If the East is no angel, then the West is the devil itself. - Zee |
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Death became ours
30/04/2008 18:05
Neither east nor west is good for Africa. Pitty we can't stand on our own because of our stupidity. Yes, stupidity because we even fail to see crisis where it exists.Simple, we cant apply common sence and are short sighted.We encourage human rights violation and have no respect for the constitutions that we write ourselves. Need i mention that we are selfish and have no respect for life. - Matsitso |
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Tatta or Sschhhhhh!
30/04/2008 18:06
The westerners (whites) are not welcome in South Africa and they do not belong there anyway. All whites intruded and should therefore just accept it and leave to build a better live for their families. Away from racism. Leave or keep quiet. Stop speculating and start living. You will never be able to repay the debts of your forefathers. - UKBoertjie |
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Chantelle (sss)
30/04/2008 18:41
Look at Afighanistan and Iraq to see what your none evil West have done. Is that difficult for your narrow mind to recognise? Nobody is innocent sweetheart, its just that your love for your Europe blind your to see their evil act. - Victor |
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Western lie, Eastern promise
30/04/2008 19:12
a Good outcome = 95% about how one manages a project and the degree of risk involved. I personally dont see a problem with a mutually beneficial relationship between us and either of the two,East or West.Having been taken advantage of in the past should make one wiser to it.We should now take what we can get from them(with the luxury of hind-site)to build our economy but gaurd our rear with forsight & carefull responsible management.Forget the past, Hatred is the cancer within. - Schalk Burger |
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Victor & SSS
30/04/2008 20:03
Please read this letter again. Richard does not deny the fact that colonialism did huge damage to South Africa and other African countries. Richard asks a valid question - does our obsession with colonialism cloud our judgement when it comes to China and Russia? - Anne |
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Best posting on the Zim/Colonial saga thusfar
30/04/2008 20:46
A brilliant posting Richard. Pity news.24 put it up so late - now we can c who steals time from during the day (kolobe, the truth, Calvin Mkhize, Sello, et al) - hulle skitter in hul afwesigheid! David Bullard's "racist article" satirically describes China as the "savior" of uncolonised Africa - satire or fact? Hope my.news.24 keeps this alive tomorrow - would be intrigued to see the spin that the anti-colonialists put on this one... Oh please, please, please... - bokkie |
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SA IN CHINA
30/04/2008 20:53
Firstly living in China for past 2 years, China does not only produce shoddy goods, they have fantastic products, its just shoddy south african companys , who only import the crap. Take note, Chinas Billion Plus population is now starting to consume its own products, pretty soon, they wont need to supply the west, because internal demand will be to great, Any body wih a bit of brains should rather start manufacturing in SA, and with any luck could Supply the world, I see income growth daily here. - SA IN CHINA |
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West has done more good than bad
30/04/2008 21:58
The west has done more good than bad for africa and especially south africa. But its all ok. One day I'll be sitting on my balcony in the west laughing at all the re-colonized slaves in africa who thought they knew better. - Western Supporter |
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What a silly debate...
30/04/2008 23:45
If the African continent and its leaders do not wake up to the future, they will loose again big time (if they have not already). And.....who should care if African leaders themselves don't seem to care for more than the next Merc and Jet? - Benzo |
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Losing Africa
01/05/2008 07:29
"Colonialism is dead, long live colonialism", politically speaking that is, but on the other hand ........ Africa's being colonised economically by both the west and the east. The west's influence all over the world is waning because of their liberal outlook and the east's influence is getting stronger because of their more conservative approach. Furthermore, India and China accounts for a third of the worlds population. Who says numbers doesn't matters? - Beno |
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Open your eyes
01/05/2008 08:01
Its funny to see westerners reaction to losing control of the world, once you've lived in the east for long enough you get to realise that the opportunities for co-operation far outweigh the negatives. Tibet, cry me a yellow river, lets not even get started on the wests little adventures in foreign interference. Is it somehow less evil to treat other nations like dirt than your own people? In the past 20 years over 300 million people in China have been lifted out of poverty! Africa with US aid? - Eddy |
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Yeah yeah
01/05/2008 08:25
Just remember, two Wongs won't make a white! - Wong & White |
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western lie, eastern promises
01/05/2008 08:26
I worked in China for 1 year and in all that time I truthfully did not meet one Chinaman whom I could trust.
Enough said. - kevin owen |
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Chinese
01/05/2008 08:29
Well written article, couldn't agree more with you. China has done more damage then good in Africa - they are the major arm suppliers and as for work ethic,just visit a chinese run mine in Zambia tosee how they treat local workers - disgacefull! - ror |
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Ignorant
01/05/2008 08:54
Quite easy to see who of you have travelled into Africa and who of you are armchair politicians with only your bias left to defend. What the Europeans did will be peanuts to what the Chinese will do to this continent. No wonder the black elite have their kids and bank accounts in the West!! - Ron |
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Minds locked in the past
01/05/2008 09:07
Good article, making some very salient points.
Seems to me that Africans are mentally trapped in the cage of the past - they simply do not seem able to free their minds from the undoubted wrongs that colonialism wrought and to move forward in intellectual terms.
The west has been complicit in encouraging Africa in this mindset by handing out monstrous amounts of aid out of a sense of guilt over colonialism - this has led to the 'victim mentality' so lucrative for African governments. - Stewart Wood |
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Political prophet
01/05/2008 09:45
Interestingly, over thirty years ago a politician said that there was no question but that Africa will in time be re-colonised, but by the Chinese.
More recently a The McKinsey Global Institute report suggests that by 2025 ?17 years from now ? China?s population will be increased by 350 million. There are more staggering statistics in the report "Preparing for China's Urban Billion" on the internet. Bottom line. If you doubt China?s global agenda, you?re na?.
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Tell more people please! Awareness must come first.
01/05/2008 09:49
I couldn't agree more. I currently reside in Taiwan and seeing the Chinese government in action from such close proximity is a scary thing indeed. We Africans should be extremely cautious...they will say all the things we want to hear while wearing a big friendly smile in order to get exactly what they want, all to our detriment. My opinion is that they are NOT to be trusted, or even to be let closer than they already are. - K |
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Evil Rich Countries - East & West
01/05/2008 10:24
All evil.The richer countries exploit & bribe and fight the poorer ones for whatever they can get out of them:Historical wars,1st & 2nd world war,recent wars etc. For one resaon only: To enrich themselves further, or just to show who's boss.The same goes for the historical colonization of Africa and other parts of the world.Once the exploitation is complete,they leave and look for greener pastures.So will it go on for ages to come.You either fight them or you join them until they loose interest. - TB |
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They'll never see it coming
01/05/2008 10:48
China are doing to Africa what the West has done years ago, and like than black leaders wont see what's coming until it's to late and a new struggle will have to emerge, but this time under a oppressor that are used to human rights violations.
On the other hand, it?s known that only the strong will survive ? if these leaders are too damn stupid to see it their followers will be the ones to pay dearly. - Helpus |
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China
01/05/2008 10:52
The chinese is already in the Congo,they invested money in the country,for shares in the mining industry .Promise the congelese work,instead they push the chinese into jobs. - Christi |
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Western lie, Eastern promise
01/05/2008 11:32
Don't you just love all these non-producers who whine about what the West didn't do for them? What existed in Africa before the White man arrived? What has happened to Africa since the White man left? You thought you could just murder us and plunder what we built, and grab it for yourselves, and now..? What a shambles Africa has become - again! - meltonmark |
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Get out now............Africa has fallen.............
01/05/2008 12:32
The West hasn't won..........Africa has fallen, along time ago, she is still tumbling and South Africa is the last to fall.....if you are western get out, Africa is for African......oops last one out turn off the lights...oops sorry Eskom's done that already..I'm overseas and loving it!!!! - Ozza |
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YUP
01/05/2008 12:42
Right on the money sir.
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You said it....
01/05/2008 13:40
Both the East and West need Africa more than they think...
Africa has the potential to be a powerhouse, but we need to end our softly softly stance on corruption and dictatorships. - manicm |
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West vs East
02/05/2008 09:28
the notion that China will exploit all the natural resources for its selfish interest is alot of hogwash. The Chinese expansion into the mining activities is not only limited to Africa, if you look at the Australian mining sector there was a huge by-in from the Chinese companies. it is the duty of goverment agencies to negotiate for agreements that carry the best interest of a nation, east or west is immaterial - Seppo |
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Locusts - That's what they are!
02/05/2008 14:28
Let's not forget the effect China has had on our very own clothing industry! Our manufacturers could not match the cheap (Shoddy) imports from China flooding our markets. Factories closed down & people lost their jobs. China don't give a hoot about Africa and its people. They need to survive and will do that at all costs. Ever seen what a swarm of locusts do to a crop? Watch Africa once the Chinese are done here. God help us! - Cane Rat |
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Thought provoking article indeed.../
02/05/2008 17:24
I am always astounded at how easy Africans sell their soul and heritage just like a bunch of fools we are, obviously we've learned nothing from the slavery/colonialisation mechanisms, until africans come up with strategy to sustain itself, we will always be slaves of our own doing, that is very sad as africa has so much potential, our leaders are too consumed in ego trips and self indulgence than caring about the continent.../ - Vicky |
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