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We have been deceived
09/05/2008 12:47  - (SA)  

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  • Funnybones, News24 User

    The Ginwala commission has started and already sparks are flying.

    At the centre of things is our beloved state President Thabo Mbeki. No matter where the truth lies, I know that there is no smoke without fire. Our President is again accused of protecting those who are in his corner, and in this instance it is a certain Jackie Selebi.

    It is these kinds of accusations which cast a serious cloud of doubt over our President's integrity and his moral obligations to us as citizens of this country. This also gives credence to the Zuma supporters' claims over the credibility of the Scorpions and how they are state controlled.

    The President's past refusal to make the Khampepe commission report public also puts some serious doubts on his integrity. Many might argue that he is human and human beings do make mistakes. But all these are not mistakes; they are cover ups and have corruption written all over them.

    Unfortunately the buck does not stop with Mbeki; the integrity of the ANC as an organisation is now under serious doubt. In the past few years the ANC leadership has been riddled with accusations of corruption, people covering for one another and enriching themselves.

    I do not think that either the state President or the ANC President is innocent when it comes to the allegations levelled against them. I think the arms deal saga is much deeper than the average South African can comprehend and all the individuals involved are trying their level best to survive the scandal and take each other out.

    Maybe it's about time that we open our eyes to the true nature of politics in this country. We may have to accept that the "better life for all" and "the people shall govern" were just fancy slogans made to deceive the rest of us while enriching a few individuals.

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      SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET
    09/05/2008 12:57
    Just another pointless enquiry which will be swept under the carpet without any actions thereafter whatsoever. Many of us believe that our Mr Pres is as corrupt as many in his Government with no hope that the "other" side of the new ANC Government is going to be any better. Just no hope for any improvements under the entire lot and that includes all the sides of the ANC Regime! - Kobus Hattingh
     
      Funnybones
    09/05/2008 12:57
    "Maybe it's about time that we open our eyes..." It is long overdue. You should have opened your eyes years ago. But rather late than never... - jannie
     
      :(
    09/05/2008 12:58
    Indeed, between the uninspiring performances being handed in by top ANC leadership (in both camps) and the absence of anybody else worth voting for, it's hard to imagine a less appealing political landscape. At least there are any number of forums for us, the plebs, the voice our discontent. Do you guys think it will do any good? - Warren
     
      Is this something new?
    09/05/2008 13:00
    This is not a new phenom and neither is it only isolated to SA. It happens everywhere, others are a just more careful and have been doing it for longer. Haliburton in the states is just one example. Its special interest groups and the money that goes with it that runs politics not moral or ethical values. - MCOB
     
      It is a shame
    09/05/2008 13:00
    that it does not matter who elect next year we as citizen still looses. They need as us much more than we need them by taxes and votes and co-operation but they look at us last to make us feel safe or just our basic needs as a law abiding citizen. But will the next pres or party that is elected be worse or better is my question - Acid0
     
      ANC is not....
    09/05/2008 13:01
    ...a party with the necesary skills to run this country. Their leaders are freedom fighters,not capable state-running individuals.People with the neccisary skills to manage and build up this country should be running it and its time the narrow minded avarage ANC supporter starts to see this...freedom fighters CANT RUN A COUNTRY!!!! - OPEN YOUR EYES!
     
      Deceit
    09/05/2008 13:01
    Absolutely right Funnybones....This current ruling regime has everybody stabbing each other in the back...all and sundry embracing the new found function of denialism....enriching themselves to the detriment of others......oh what a circus - Davo
     
      Funnybones you are very funny my friend?
    09/05/2008 13:01
    Why don?t you just wait for the Gingwala commission to finish their enquiry before making speculative assumptions?The president was never covering-up for Jackie Selebi, He wanted proper procedures to be followed and that is the reason the Gingwala commission was founded to verify whether Pikoli followed proper procedures?please enlighten us on how exactly does the Gingwala commission findings justify the abuse of power by the scorpions? - Kolobe
     
      Scorpions
    09/05/2008 13:04
    Funnybones, i share your views......... Everything besides your jab at the scorpions being state controlled. If that was the case, then why would they go after Selebi..... One of Mbeki's chommies? No ways partner. Lets rely on Ginwala commision & scorpions. Viva democrocy! For what its worth...... - Victor
     
      I agree 100%
    09/05/2008 13:07
    I agree 100%. Thabo has now made several catastrophic decisions and is clearly trying to protect himself. He is unstable and in panic mode. Time for him to step down gracefully now! - Footsoldier
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:07
    Maybe you should also wait until the commission is over. You might also be speaking too soon. - MJ
     
      ANC credibility
    09/05/2008 13:09
    Like the case of Bob Mugabe, the ANC has recently been a victim of a relentless media campaign to discredit them, this onslaught being funded by white business groups that profit in Africa. They use the well proved method of making repeated claims, without proof, which the public eventually believe, like the Bush strategy in Irac. Wake up Africa, have some loyalty towards your own leaders, support them, they are your only way forwards and will set you free from the veiled ongoing slave trade. - critical thinker
     
      Brilliant
    09/05/2008 13:10
    Thanks Funnybones... good article.. nuff said. It's strange how lies and deceipt always catch up to you at the end, and now at the disgrace of our country. And to think, that the ANC is still on the US terror list. makes you really wonder.. It's a pity that the poor masses, are unable to access the technology to witness the state of the nation., and base there judgements purely on here say and rallies. - Grant
     
      I miss President Mbeki already...
    09/05/2008 13:11
    If president Mbeki was controlling the scorpions then why would they prosecute his friend Jacky Selebi and vindicate Adriaan Volk the enemy of the presidency??? The current ANC leadership is indeed a joke but the current government leadership is my friend we would wish they remain for more official terms?I will personally miss President Mbeki?Africa will miss you my president?. - Kolobe
     
      Well said Funnybones
    09/05/2008 13:11
    Unfortunately i think Mbeki has blotted his copy book and all the good things he once stood for are about to come crashing down. Who will ultimately be the fall guy? Unfortunately until all is said and done, the credibility of the ANC will continue to be harmed. This needs to happen before things can possibly improve. - John Camp
     
      Scorpions?
    09/05/2008 13:12
    "This also gives credence to the Zuma supporters' claims over the credibility of the Scorpions and how they are state controlled. - Funnybones" I would like to know, how you came to this conclusion, seeing that you only mentioned Mbeki?s character. OH I see you are a Zuma Supporter, and you dontt want the truth to come out, so that is why you made that statement, without evidence, I see now, ok I'm now with you. - padkos
     
      @kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:13
    You again. Your talking about Pokoli should have followed proper procedures? Either your ignoring the truth or its staring u in the face. There wasnt a "better procedure" at all. Mbeki just wanted it all swept under a rug. So yeah. Like the man said. Where there is smoke, there is fire. - Victor
     
      That's no justification
    09/05/2008 13:14
    MCOB, the fact that it also happens elsewhere does not make it acceptable. At least there are checks and balances in western and european countries to identify abuse of power and the abusers are taken to task and often jailed - not jailed like RSA jailed Yengeni but jailed and made to serve the term handed out. - Tuffy
     
      @Warren
    09/05/2008 13:15
    I'm afraid that's about all we can bud, is vent our frustrations- for the little good it will do. - Sean
     
      Couldn't agree more
    09/05/2008 13:17
    The Rainbow Nation created by Madiba is no more. Mbeki has been the most useless, weak, despotic and arrogant President we have ever had. He has allowed his cronies to virtually destroy every area of public life. He will forever be remembered as the leader who did nothing about crime, corruption, incompetence in govt depts, lack of service delivery, AIDS, power shortages and Zimbabwe. Roll on Jacob Zuma, because a man who makes a decision, no matter how bad, is better than a man who makes none! - Shaun
     
      critical thinker-Spot On
    09/05/2008 13:17
    Spot On...this are the same tactics they used to take over the Land out of the hands of our forefathers..now they have brainwashed some coconuts analysts like Justice Malala and Funnybones to plant deceptive propaganda againts african leaders...They are bitter that the african leaders are becoming enlightened to their colonian propoganda... - Kolobe
     
      Funnybones hay' man.
    09/05/2008 13:18
    On the Mr. Selebi's case, the presidency wanted to protect the country's integrity. A proper and thorough investigation was needed before the public leakage, which is synonymous with the Scorpions, of his investigation. Remember, he was president of Interpol. Giving amnesty to Apartheid agents and prosecuting freedom fighters does call for the fitness of Adv. Pikoli to hold that office to be questioned. - Toto
     
      @kolobe, as usual
    09/05/2008 13:18
    Are you looking for attention? Mbeki did not control the scorpions... it was an independent org within NPA instructed to conduct white-collar investigations. incl investigating Govt, without interference. or am i wrong?? - Grant
     
      The truth
    09/05/2008 13:20
    The funny thing about truth is that it usually surfaces. If we read between the lines you see someone trying to make a difference (Pikoli) being subverted all along the way. If the inquiry has the desired outcome it will be published if not, the State Security organs, remnds e of the old apartheid days, will make it go away. The more things change, the more they stay the same. - Jim
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:21
    Can you tell me why you tend to always disagree with others. It's fairly obvious that there's been too many state officials with their hands in the pot, and sadly for Big T, this has all been happening in his time a Prez. He then implemented the Scorpions, and now his tjommies are being nailed, so he approves their disbanding. Fidentia was nailed for mismanagement and corruption, why not the government? - Johann
     
      Politics
    09/05/2008 13:21
    ..the best thing that could happen to politics in SA is for the SACP and COSATU to leave the tripartitie alliance. Both of these two parties have a realistic chance of garnering significant support and keeping the ANC on its toes. - VG
     
      ANC didn't fight for freedom
    09/05/2008 13:23
    The ANC did not fight for freedom, they fought for wealth and power (just like the previous government). Politics is all about wealth and power which leads to greed and corruption. - dhv
     
      Green Jelly Beans - Sour but you can eat them.
    09/05/2008 13:24
    Greed it's human nature. What an ugly thing. Corruption is merely a by product. - MP3
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:24
    When will people like you start addressing the real issues? Surely, procedure should be secondary to rooting out corrupt, thieving individuals whose actions have rocked the very foundation of the country we all love. Applications to withhold evidence should not even be considered. Its only those with something to hide who benefit. Wake up! - ian
     
      Grant-Goodness me
    09/05/2008 13:27
    Chief what are you smoking???let me explain this to you slowly...funnybones says that mbeki control the scorpions like the Zuma faction claim...but I argue that if that was the case then mbeki would have prevented the scorpions from investigating his friend Jackie Selebi..so please kindly go away and smoke some more... - Kolobe
     
      @kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:28
    My friend, the numbers starting to see the light are growing on this continent. I sense a shift in the balance of power, decision making by Africans for Africa, a move away from the misery brought to this continent by Western European imperialists, and white business feels nervous about this, hence the anti Africa propoganda war in the media.Viva Africa! - Critical thinker
     
      A new party
    09/05/2008 13:30
    I concur. We are in for a rude awakening. Our worship of political parties has caught up with us. How about a new party made out of civil organisations a la MDC in Zimbabwe. Let's challenge the status quo. 14 years is enough for one party, they have caught some mould already! Zuma will be an easy ride, if we get a reputable person to lead the party. Viva change viva! - NewParty
     
      kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:30
    Actually it's YOU that is very funny, not Funnybones, and your spin on the Scorpions is not going to work. There was NO ABUSE OF POWER by the Scorpions. The only reason there is such haste to have them disbanded is that they uncovered the extent of the corruption and criminal activities of quite a few ANC heavyweights. If their investigations had uncovered nothing they would not be under threat. Facts are that Mbeki covered up for Selebi and ordered that the investigation/prosecution be stopped. - Bodie
     
      A new party
    09/05/2008 13:31
    I concur. We are in for a rude awakening. Our worship of political parties has caught up with us. How about a new party made out of civil organisations a la MDC in Zimbabwe. Let's challenge the status quo. 14 years is enough for one party, they have caught some mould already! Zuma will be an easy ride, if we get a reputable person to lead the party. Viva change viva! - NewParty
     
      Johann
    09/05/2008 13:31
    Because they are wrong..thank you Johann...thats fine in fact it is the work of the scorpions to nail corrupt officials which is what they have been doing...now funnybones claims that Mbeki controlled them...how pathetic..the ANC will continue to rule over your asses no matter what...whites had their turn and gave their own wealth now it is our chance your kind are bitter about that... - Kolobe
     
      Carpet Sweepers
    09/05/2008 13:31
    Cronyism is rife amongst the so called liberation heroes - Mugabe, Nujoma, dos Santos, Machel, Mbeki and filters down to the Selebi's and there incompetence and corruption is covered-up constantly. Mbeki gives too many direct orders. Cover Selebi's corrupt ass. Give permission for the ''Chinese'' arms to be transported to Zim. Anyone who defies him is ostracised. The same is happening under proven corrupt JZ. Fortunately Botswana & Tanzania have defied cowtailing to these older cronies - Filemon
     
      Oh, I understand now...
    09/05/2008 13:32
    If I am interpreting the comments by "Critical Thinker" correctly then the cause of Zimbabwe going from Hero to Zero in a few short years is the result of the media's discreditation campaign aginst Mugabe, as are all other troubles ol' Bob is experiencing. Or am I projecting the essence of your comments in the wrong direction? I can only wonder what is going on in your head if anything if you believe ANY credit is due to mad Bob. Same goes for stilmbeki. The chickens will come home to roost... - Tuffy
     
      And yet they did
    09/05/2008 13:33
    Mabandla had improperly interfered with, hindered and obstructed Pikoli in the execution of his duties. This is in contravention of the National Prosecuting Authority Act. The act stipulated that no organ of state and no member and employee of a state organ may improperly interfere in or obstruct the prosecuting authority or any members in executing the carrying out of their duties. - Victor
     
      Open your eyes SA!
    09/05/2008 13:34
    This is final proof that all is not well in the State of RSA - nor the ANC. I wish that the millions of ANC supporters will rip the veil of deception from their eyes and see the politicians for who they are; selfish, self-centred, power and money grabbing egotists! Get rid of these bigots! People of SA, you have the power, vote with your minds and not your hearts. The struggle is over, you have freedom. Use it to vote for credible leaders who have integrity and will actually address poverty! - Francois
     
      Gone are the days.....
    09/05/2008 13:36
    Of a true leader like Nelson Mandela. Now we have to put up with the likes of the current government whom have no idea how to lead. Corruption is rife and we have our own reality show called 'parliament'! Or is it 'Comedian Idol Search'? Bunch of wankers this government! - Win
     
      Country Rape
    09/05/2008 13:37
    Its sad that our own people are raping our fully resourced country. I suppose at the end of the day its all about "Whats in for Me" South Africa is the only country in the world where people sing and dance to show their displeasure. SB - BMW
     
      amandla! and other lies...
    09/05/2008 13:43
    Remember the old saying "Amandla awethu!" It was all a lie. It should have been "Amandla awabo!", the power is theirs... - liedetector
     
      Bitter - Kolobe??
    09/05/2008 13:45
    The only reason ppl are bitter towards ANC is not because they are mostly black individuals, but rather because they are unable to rule effectively, undermine the ppl that keep them in power, and destroy SA GDP by not following advice or objectives set out in the orgs they are apart of. By all means have "your turn". But do it properly. Not to worry though, there failings are all slowly coming to the surface. next thing to go is our clean water. watch this space. - Grant
     
      @kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:45
    Please name one Afican country,rulled by a militant/freedom fighting party after gaining independance that did not end up in a civil war or severe unrest...?? you are runing this country into the ground by voting for the ANC.If you dont want to see competant white people in charge,at least vote for competant black leaders...the ANC thinks its their birthright to rule this country...I bet you my life that if people start to vote for another country they would also cling to power like Zanu-PF... - Afr
     
      Critical Thinker's thinking is idiotic
    09/05/2008 13:45
    I find it disgusting that when African politicians and presidents get caught out behaving like the murderers, thieves and liars that they mostly are, there will always be ANC type apologist who would rather "blame" anything in order not to see the problem in simple human terms. Africa's rulers past and present have raped this continent since day one and ordinary citizens have never cared enough to put them right. "critical thinking" you are nothing but a bigoted racist! - Alan
     
      Critical thinker
    09/05/2008 13:46
    Africans should arise and elect progressive leaders that have the interest of Africans at heart, the Colonial imperialists came to the continent and plundered our resources, true Africans not western puppets like Morgan should rule over Africa, the colonialists wants to elect their leaders for Africans, so that they can continue to abuse the African resources?VIVA AFRICA VIVA - Kolobe
     
      @Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:47
    Bud, if they are wrong in your opinion, then Bud, if they are wrong in your opinion, then there's a good chance you are wrong in their opinion. I really don?t mind the ANC ruling the country. It's a representative party, which is what SA needs. However I can?t see the country being better off with these cronies in power. The government sets an example that corruption and incompetence is okay. It isn?t. In corporate SA this is frowned upon, so why should it be allowed in Government level. - Johann
     
      Question Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:48
    Kolobe, you seem to agree that the present government is not up to scratch, but why do you say that the White's chances of running the country are over. I think that that is already a given. Many people would be happy to have a black government that was not the ANC who are proving to be scandelous. oistr - oistar
     
      NEWS 24 editors
    09/05/2008 13:50
    You are obviously looking for cheap, racist sensation by only publishing Kolobe and his racist friends' comments. - gert
     
      Stupidity is inevitable... They will vote ANC AGAIN!
    09/05/2008 13:50
    The question now is, will people start voting with their heads after they saw what the ANC is about? No, i doubt that.. No wonder they refer to them as the uneducated masses. I am LOVING is the fact that crime IS going to the ANC now. Mbeki's new house... and a big shot in natal as well. I think petty crime needs to stop and serious crime such as rape and murder come their way. Maybe they will get serious on crime than. I doubt. They will probably bribe someone to get something. Ha Ha - Jinx
     
      Huh?
    09/05/2008 13:51
    When you accuse someone of something you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt the truth in you accusation? One cannot be a product of political opportunism. Substantive proof must be shown, funnybones! I half-expected this from you. Now back to the drawing board. We are a developmental state trying to transform both the state and society. Now it does not follow that you finger people of unbecoming behaviour and therefore the whole organisation is to blame. See your fallacy.1+1=? whats da answer - Cape Town Kid
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:55
    Whoever rules SA, they will never get rid of all the white people because they know then it is the end.... - jannie
     
      I have come to conclusion...
    09/05/2008 13:57
    ...that all SA polititians do is talk about what they will do, they talk about commisions of enquiry, they talk about important meetings, they talk about what might happen if, they talk about how we should all make an effort to reduce crime and they talk about how we should all make an effort to reduce electricity and water. But nothing is ever done. It's all cosmetics and window dressing. A famous person once said (and rightly so "... blah, blah, blah" - Nick
     
      @ CAPE TOWN KID
    09/05/2008 13:58
    Where do you get you facts?? Rather focus on your business... - Jinx
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 13:58
    What are you, filled with such haterate. "ANC will continue to rule over your asses no matter what..." It is people like you that make this country a bad place, it is time to move on bru! If ANC members are corrupt, then they must be prosecusted and the same applies to other parties members, remember all should be equal... - d
     
      To all the All Not Competent (ANC) supporters
    09/05/2008 13:58
    Can not wait for this country to go down. They just deserv it. - Whitey
     
      Why not wait until the enquiry is over to make judgement?
    09/05/2008 14:00
    Otherwise, we end up with what we wanted to hear. - Lvh
     
      Cape Town Kid
    09/05/2008 14:03
    *Cough* travel gate scandal *cough* *Cough* Arms deal scandal *cough* - Sinudeity
     
      @ Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:09
    Brother or sister Kolobe, are u smoking your socks ? You say Morgan is a puppet ? Do you honestly have no heart or mercy about africans suffering under the so called liberation heroes ? I sugget you give up or donate your africanism. You have no heart or "ubuntu" if you turn a blind eye on the suffering masses at ground level and claim to be a wiseman. Your attitude needs some rebranding. I think I'm fed up with you. Get a life Kolobe ! - Concerned
     
      Kolobe and finally
    09/05/2008 14:10
    Kolobe, Cape Town Kid et al, I?ve gotta go now, it?s weekend and all, and there?s some big rugby on, but I just want you and your peanut gallery to know, that us as white people are not as phased about black rule as you may think. Most of us have accepted that a long time ago. However I think John Camp, and other right minded people may agree with me that there are opportunities in this country, and for these opportunities to become available to the people who deserve them, the government and it?s supporters need to realise that they are not doing a great job. They are at the moment only making it happen for themselves, not the people. And by people I mean all of us. Both you and me, and both Black and white. - Johann
     
      We are being informed not deceived
    09/05/2008 14:13
    These things were happening during aparthied government but they were happening behind close doors and SA people were kept in the dark.This enquiry is avaible to public and is just started pls stop being negative and this enquiry a chance to be finalised. - Mv
     
      @d and Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:16
    The statement you have quoted is the scary thing. Black people cry racism all the time and yet they are, generally speaking, the most racist of the lot. They would rather have a corrupt government taking the country and all its citizens back to the dark ages as long as it is black, than have anybody even remotely pale but competent in government, and because of their numbers we are at their mercy. Recipe for disaster! My only hope is that there some black people who are starting to see the light! - Karen
     
      @Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:16
    My friend - if we are to follow your approach then we may as well scrap our constitution as you clearly do not believe we have equal rights in this land of ours. - The Moderator
     
      Kolobe, you are lucky...
    09/05/2008 14:17
    ...not many companies make internet facilities available to car washers. - ian
     
      Johann
    09/05/2008 14:20
    Hear, hear! Enjoy the game boet, crunch weekend. Yup certainly plenty of opportunities to the deserved. I'm sure in time we'll have a honest, deserved government, for the moment we still have rugby. - John Camp
     
      wake up
    09/05/2008 14:21
    from where i sit i see the misery that is happening in this country, rural sa. gravy trainers like kolobe should come and see first hand where it is all going before making such uninlightened debate that will be meaningless in a few years anyway. we are in serious trouble so please stop the bravado talk little one. - grassroots
     
      So "few good men"
    09/05/2008 14:23
    With blinkers over their eyes, wads of cottonwool in their ears, hatred in their hearts, the multitudes refuse to face the truth. You have difficult times ahead of you...truth always comes out, and the time is now. Like children, infighting, name calling, blaming all but yourself, the truth is being unearthed. What a show! And Kolobe, my country has suffered more embarassment, damage, rape, death and corruption this past decade than any decade before. Keep to the topic. Colonists...hell! - Alicia
     
      Concerned
    09/05/2008 14:23
    If you are Fed up then maybe you should stop reading my comments...otherwise untill then brace yourself for the real truth.... - kolobe
     
      Where're we going?
    09/05/2008 14:24
    Is Mbeki,Mabandla etc in Pikoli saga now we've got another different story,must we ever trust our elected leaders?now SABC is a news maker then whom to trust? I'm now starting to hear and understanding why Zille said she'll visit all parties including ANC to form a solid opposition against the govt. - BETHUEL
     
      Now and Then
    09/05/2008 14:28
    I am not a supporter of any party...what is clear though, is that at least some of the 'sins' of this gov gets aired once in a while, even while trying to stifle the press. The past gov? - nothing was known and ignorance was our bliss! I for one never want to live that way again, so please dont be fooled and think that past government was better than this one.... - Ignorance is NOT bliss!
     
      Alicia
    09/05/2008 14:35
    It is because those that died before the last decade we insignificant to you???they were buried in open graves that we cannot find today and others are still missing...It is easy to speak nonsense when you are not directly affected... - Kolobe
     
      Spot on Critical Thinker...and Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:49
    Regardless of their fraility, African leaders have realised that problems in Africa should be (re)solved by Africans not the likes of Tsvangirai who when the hit turns on, forsake their people to hide in leafy surburbs of Joburg whilst they are praying that other people's sons and daughters will stand on the firing line on their behalf. Hereos stick with the people, if they dont, their strategies do. Wonder why poor Morgan...and his white cronies are running scared...SADC leaders know it - Spider Spike
     
      Abuse of forum
    09/05/2008 14:50
    Surely a forum is a tool to be used for constructive purposes. Inflated ego's ruins the chances. Kolobo and SB BMW and all the other obvious rasists white and black, its people like you that need to look at your own problems before trying to solve that of a country. I agree though SA needs more responsible accountable governance to play its role fully as the power house of Africa we have many good black as well as other coloured S-african candidates. Stop your rasism SA has no place for you! - Colour blind south african
     
      @ KOLOBE & CRITICAL THINKER
    09/05/2008 14:53
    Why when racism is supposed to be a thing of the past, and all people supposed to be equal no matter what colour or race, do you ride the racial bandwagon still? It is because of individuals like you that this country is struggling!! I don't care whether our president is black, white, yellow, pink or coloured, as long as he is honest and working for the greater good of the nation. IT IS TIME FOR A NEW POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY AND SOME HONESTY AND ACCOUNTABILITY!! - Bad Boy
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:53
    Enough already, you have said what you have to say. And believe it or not you are not always right. To you Alicia I agree with you whole heartedly Have a good weekend - carol
     
      Freedom fighters!
    09/05/2008 14:54
    Crime figetrs fight crime, fire fighters fight fire and freedom fighters fight freedom. Finish and klaar. - Point Blank
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:54
    Surely by now it should be obvious to News24 editors that it is time to give this person a rest. Are there really so few people out there with opinions worthy of publication? - SF
     
      kolobetjie
    09/05/2008 14:55
    True it is easy to speak nonsense when you were not directly affected. Just like jq your mental midgit mentor you claim to be victims and like jq you are very brave when there is no actual threat. Where were you affected, prove it? Still no mention of that great african country? - Dries
     
      Both ways @ kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:55
    "It is because those that died before the last decade we insignificant to you???they were buried in open graves that we cannot find today and others are still missing...It is easy to speak nonsense when you are not directly affected... - Kolobe" Kolobe this is very true, but what you tent to ignore is that went both ways also, it is the same for both the whites and the blacks. - padkos
     
      Wrong Word!!
    09/05/2008 14:56
    Was deceived the right choice of word? It infers being duped or tricked. How many of us are really that surprised. Hell most governments fall short of the mark, this one has stumbled from scandal to scandal. I dont feel deceived, I never felt secure that they were there for any reason other than to further themselves at our expense. - AJ
     
      @Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:57
    Kolobe you are one of those people that has gone against the grain his whole life, wheather it is right or wrong you need to make your self heard and you need to be the center of attention. You are the result of what happens when kids are not disaplined! VIVA ANC NOT - Gary Clark
     
      Kolobe
    09/05/2008 14:58
    What will you miss about Mbeki? - Rian
     
      Kolbe you are a blinkered racist
    09/05/2008 14:58
    The point Alicia is making is that you guys after you came into power have actually made it worse for all and dragged us all down to the lowest common denominator by appointing idiotic leaders like: Manto, Thabo, Charles N, The Pahads, ad nauseum! So Kolobe open your eyes and confess openly your racist bigotry. - Alan
     
      thabo the 2000 to 2008 hide and seek chamion of the world!
    09/05/2008 15:03
    When he is not hiding behind a spokesperson, the SA(N)BC or "silent diplomacy" he hides behind commissions of inquiry, when the commissions tell him to ACT he hides the Kampempe report... Yes we have been deceived! Some like kolobetjie still are! - Dries
     
      From a monkey in the peanut gallery
    09/05/2008 15:04
    Thanks heavens for "democracy" & the change in power in our country-it allows us to speak our minds & voice our opinions.I agree corrupt & incompetent officials should GO but that does not mean I support the critics. Frankly my life IS better now than it was under apartheid. I & my family have options & the PROMISE of a future free from white oppression & indoctrination! - lekkalik
     
      @Kolobe - your truth is far from the actual truth
    09/05/2008 15:06
    You seem to have a very arrogant attitude and think that anybody who does not see things your way is wrong or racist. How is it that you are so well informed and everybody else is so ill-informed. Who do you think you are!? I think you are not only blind to what is going around you but you are also blind to your own short-comings. "Take a look at the Man in mirror". Once you have changed yourself you can work on the rest of the world - unless, of course, you are perfect!?? - Karen
     
         
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