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its everywhere 12/05/2008 12:21
unfortunately crime and especially violent crime are everywhere in this country and the sad state of affairs is that there is no let up in the foreseeable future. One can only hope that the government start to realize sooner than later that the future of the country will suffer because of this. - W |
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Crime 12/05/2008 12:24
But then when the police raid their Pubs like in Stellenbosch...the parent become angry.... - Kolobe |
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All the same 12/05/2008 12:28
Damelin Randburg is not better. Luckily I have never seen or heard of any crime being reported but getting past security is so easy. I have an access card but spinning any story will get you past them. - anamarie |
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is every university in the world safe? 12/05/2008 12:28
of course you will find the ones that are not safe. it depends on the behaviour of the students. however much you will want the goverment to do something about it, it all comes down to how students conduct themselves. - kfl |
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campus security 12/05/2008 12:33
Well for heavens' sake, what kind of young men are the students these days that they can't look after themselves and their womenfolk? Stop being so negative and organise a Campus Watch. - taurus |
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I agree with you 12/05/2008 12:34
However there are lapses even when security is tight. At my university a girl was murdered in her room - by her boyfriend. So it seems that students won't be safe until SA changes their attitude regarding the sanctity of human life in general. However I agree that if a university doesn't implement basic measures like controlled to residences, security patrols around campus they are being grossly negligent towards their students safety. How can students learn in a dangerous environment? - Jane |
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And... 12/05/2008 12:36
...girls need to realise that although sneaking boys up into their rooms may be fun, they're potentially endangering the girls around them! - Jane |
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Are these our future leaders? 12/05/2008 12:37
I agree with kfl. Its time people start taking responsibility for there actions. The people need to start taking action against these people ruining our society. - Tim |
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@ Kolobe 12/05/2008 12:38
You know nothing about the raid in Stellenbosch other than what you read in the papers..so shut your yap! About the article: It is no wonder the universities are not safe...just look at what happens when he students are unhappy about fee increases...they toi-toi and damage property and injure fellow students who want to attend classes...a bunch of hooligans not students..... - jannie |
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HEY, Themba ???? 12/05/2008 12:41
Catch a wake up Bud, It's not just the varsities that are not safe,But the whole country. Where have you been hiding ??? - Badger |
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Kolobe 12/05/2008 12:42
If you don't know wht you are talking about then rather keep quite. You can hardly compare the 2 groups, of course they had a right to complain! - Not falling for it anymore |
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Charity begins at home 12/05/2008 12:47
The saying go's , Now the same saying go's for manners and respect .It just shows what the value of these criminals/students are.Obviously had no manners and decency tought to them by their parents !! - bongani |
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Interesting 12/05/2008 12:55
This was not a problem pre 1994. You do the maths. - CT Boykie |
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He He He.... 12/05/2008 12:55
I guess jannie has been to Zimbabwe and knows everything about Mugabe...He does not comments about the he reads..He personally go to the scence and do investigative jounalism...what an idiot - Kolobe |
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Most universities are still safe 12/05/2008 12:57
To be fair, I have been to several other Universities around the country and some of them are actually very safe. I think the individual Universities and the schools that feed them just need to take great lengths at improving the security and respect for people. - Sandelk |
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????? 12/05/2008 12:58
What about the student that was killed in a botched hi-jacking attempt in Durb's. He was one of the hi-jackers. Are we training future leaders or future criminals? Eish! (Sonder ys)!! It gives me the shivers. Is life worth so little? God help us all!! - Cane Rat |
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Generalisation 12/05/2008 13:01
I have to say i lived in a res at Rhodes University for 3 years and the security was stringent, almost constricting. I know they placed great emphasis on security there. Then again everyone's experience is subjective. - DM |
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Security 12/05/2008 13:03
In the time I spent at varsity the front desk at every residence was manned by residents of that particular residence, normaly the first year students. These students acted as the security for the residence. Is this still used? - NorthernExposure |
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Basic Security is not there. 12/05/2008 13:03
I will agree that cases of vandalism and petty theft the students are to blame and need an attitude change. However in the cases of rape, assualt and murder most of the time it is from outside sources. Stellenbosch and UCT have been upping their security, but security was really dismall at Fort Hare and UKZN when I lasted visited these campuses. Kolobe please stay at the subject at hand the article was about campus security not police brutality. PS Themba good luck to your friend I've been therem - HVR |
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@Kolobe 12/05/2008 13:05
Well said "jannie" - Danie |
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Sign of the times 12/05/2008 13:05
Interesting article Themba.Unies reflect as a microcosm what is happening in this country.Same criminal strategies as on the streets and in govt(lack of security).This especially in KZN where the cdes in charge are more concerned with their celeb status than students welfare.Whilst not condoning it,I think its not as bad as being shot dead with scores of my fellow students by disgruntled students and ex-students as in the US. - psycobabble |
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violent campuses not surprising 12/05/2008 13:11
Varisty campuses -like schools - are simply a reflection of the society in which they're located.Every rapist/murderer/armed robber is somebody's husban/son/brother/cousin so its no wonder that crime is as rampant on campuses as it is everywhere else in SA. - VG |
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Universities. 12/05/2008 13:16
I finished my degree in 1990 at the same campus (UKZN) and I never felt threatened - It was a very safe place to be. This is just another example of how things have taken a downturn in the "new" South Africa. Let's blame this one on Apartheid again. - Silver Surfer |
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kolobe 12/05/2008 13:17
Are you stupid dude?The parents didnt have a problem with the pubs in stellenbosch being raided,the problem was the way in which the students were man handled by police,but I guess hiting a woman and touching her private parts is part of being man in today's life,so please kolobe get a life!!!!!!!!!!! - creech |
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Don't exclude malls 12/05/2008 13:18
Don't exclude shopping malls from your list but this time I'm referring to security companies. I noticed the other day at a mall in Joburg in the northern suburbs that a security guard was selling marijuana. The matter was reported and I'm waiting for them to contact me before reporting it to the police. Thinking about it I should report it to the cops. - Tinus |
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@ Kolobe 12/05/2008 13:19
Now now - that wasn't very constructove was it. You know full well that the objections to the Stellenbosch raid were not that the parents didn't want criminals stopped - it was the manner in which innocent kids were treated - I wonder what your thoughts would be had one of those Stellenbosch students been your daughter, being thrown about the room by police, sprayed with tear gas etc, while out enjoying an evening with her friends? Themba - I agree there is more disaster waiting to happen! - stack |
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@kolobe 12/05/2008 13:25
I agree totally with you. My son study at TUT and their classes were disrupted for 2 weeks by this hooligan students from other campusses. The concern howewer is that the authorities cannot control these violant elements or bring them to justice. The TUT students were threatened with iolance and bodily harm if they hae classes. It sucks. So much for a democracy. - andre barnard |
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Savages 12/05/2008 13:27
It is not surprising to me how universities have become feeding grounds for violent savage criminals. Violence has infiltrated all other facets of society, so it is only natural for universities to follow suit. What we need is a no no-nonsense heavy handed eradication of all crime. You cannot reason with a rabid wolf, you just have to put it down. Anything less is pointless, the same goes for our local criminal 'wildlife'. - Andrew |
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Jannie 12/05/2008 13:27
Even if Kolobe knows nothing its within her/ his rights to write not unless this is meant for the A students from Stellenbosch just like you so back off this free not specific for anybody, if you also need 3 seconds of fame you can do the same and injure one of the hooligans hence you think you are better than them the million dollar question what defines a hooligan "student" - John |
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what can we say 12/05/2008 13:27
mindblowing third world issues. it is really so amazing how people behave. - Craig |
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Jannie 12/05/2008 13:28
Even if Kolobe knows nothing its within her/ his rights to write not unless this is meant for the A students from Stellenbosch just like you so back off this free not specific for anybody, if you also need 3 seconds of fame you can do the same and injure one of the hooligans hence you think you are better than them the million dollar question what defines a hooligan "student" - John |
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I second Jannie 12/05/2008 13:30
If students wanna be hooligans,then why study.You do not a degree in being a hooligan.There are students who like to live in farst line,but can not handle the that resposiblity.When parents send the kids to universities,they exspect some results,but if the kid has others in mind then he must not be there.In life it is all about choice.You choose who you wanna be.May be not when young. But you still choose none the less.
Quote is A INFORMATIVE PERSON WILL SUCCEED. - fire |
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Safety yes 12/05/2008 13:37
student ant in mates but... but 32 student were killed by a student in virginia (USA)so that highlights that student are a danger amongst each other - sos |
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Welcome to post-94 reality.. 12/05/2008 13:41
How sad for all of us - marius |
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Kolobe 12/05/2008 13:43
Please, before you start with your usual boring racist tendencies again - weird that all these problems started after 94. Now I guess even you can put 2 and 2 together. - peterpan |
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Education 12/05/2008 13:44
Safety at universities should indeed be prioritised.Students are there to be educated, not politicised.No politics should be allowed on campus.Once you have your qualification and you are paying taxes, only then may you start moaning (and planning marches) about governmental issues.If political parties are removed from campus many students that are there only to spread political unrest will be removed, letting others concentrate on their studies, as it should be. - EJvR |
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Jannie!! 12/05/2008 13:45
What do you expect the students to do when they're forced to pay the same accomodation fees as the one's from the a well off campus(former Unibo & Pukka are eg's).Anyway, according to themba's Stats,KZN's Campuses are the only one's dangerouse of all SA varsities.They have a right to toi-toi when the management does not heed to their disputes!! - Les-Maada |
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Rubbish 12/05/2008 13:47
I think you are seeking attention because I go to that cumpas on a regular bases and there is security trust I know. The crime is bad in this country but please bro get your fact straight, you can never get in that cumpus without security knowing about it. - pc |
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KOLOBE 12/05/2008 13:47
Kolobe, have you got job ? you obviously notdoing it, cause every comment from you is always racist, and you got no clue what you are talking about, You sound like you might work for the government, talk talk talk.......... but nothing makes sense or is racist.
Please if you want to comment make it worth while.
You very dumb, so sssssssssssssss?????????
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the west has failed africa 12/05/2008 13:49
unfortunately the blacks here want to be like the american gangsters dressed in their baggy jeans, baseball caps and basketball t-shirts, with that comes the 9mm and pocket knife. As we all know it is the colourds and blacks that are doing most the raping and killing if we can sort them out we can sort the problem out. - terence |
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- John 12/05/2008 13:52
Thank you John...well said...The spoiled brats in stellenbosch are being protected by their parents... - Kolobe |
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hey john 12/05/2008 13:54
It looks like you climbed up the wrong tree.if you can not see the difference between wrong and right.Then that student is defined as a hooligan.It is not Jannie that thinks she is better,but rather knowing is the diference.If you can't see the truth.Then what is u'r point. People blame people for they can and can not do,but u what it is the student that put limitations in his mind that act and think like a hooligan. - fire |
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Education 12/05/2008 13:54
Higher education insitutions are exactly that - for higher education. You go to learn, not to rob, muder, rape, toyi toyi when fees go up, trash the place when suspended for non payment of school fees, strike when there is not enough free accommodation. My blood boils. If you don't want to study go find something else to do and leave the students who are serious about furthering their education. - Nicky |
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z 12/05/2008 13:56
The diffence between me and you is that you are the working class...and myself on the other hand I have the working class working for me...the only time I ever have to go to work is only to fire one of the working class that spends his time on the internet...to be frank with you I would have fired your ass long time ago for spending time on the internet... - Kolobe |
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*sigh* 12/05/2008 13:59
No need to mention names it seems. Why did you have to turn a potentially productive debate into a racial issue? We get that you were wronged, we get that you are angry, now try to get that we are all working towards change, you can't work together if you keep on attacking your own team. - Andrew |
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UP safe 12/05/2008 14:01
I am proud to report that security at the University of Pretoria is very impressive! We have gaurds at the main entrances as well as at all student parkings and around campus (in the streets). Safety is really a priority on and around campus. Without a student card, you won't have access. I feel safe at UP. - M |
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Kolobe - Raids 12/05/2008 14:02
The raids in Stellenbosch were excellent and i support the police 100%! They had a duty to do, no-one was killed, little naughties got a klap.. good. they should make the presence known, when will they be doing that in JHB?? - Grant |
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Students 12/05/2008 14:02
I graduated in 2006 and in my opinion the crimes that accured were largely do to the negligence of the students themselves. Safety measures are put in place, but students very seldom adhere to them. It's about rebellion. - DM |
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3rd world 12/05/2008 14:05
BS, just because we're classified as 3rd world doesn't mean we should live up to that standard. We have everything we need to fix our own problems, stop pointing finger at blacks that want to be like Americans. Start making a difference yourself, and please STOP your racial connotations because we don't have place for that anymore. Geez why can't be really BUILD the country, we're in a great position to do so. - Tinus |
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Police 12/05/2008 14:05
I bet that if the police were more forceful, i.e. showed they actually mean business and are not interested in your cash, their work will be paid off. Citizens will know the police are around, less crime on campus due to AUTHORITY! lack of authority, rules WILL be broken. kids will be kids. - Grant |
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ukzn student 12/05/2008 14:09
i'm a female student at ukzn, durban, and in the few years that i've been there I have never felt threatened or had any crime problems. There has always been a strong security presence. Perhaps it is only the residences that are the problem? I don' think that you reflect the situation for most students at ukzn. - a |
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awful 12/05/2008 14:10
I have been part of various tertiary institutions and have never felt more unsafe than at university where there are supposed safety and security measures constantly being implemented. I have been subject to immense theft and witnessed major violence and even a shooting. this has got to stop. - gee bazz |
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Grant 12/05/2008 14:10
At least we have some sensible parents like Grant..when the police organise this kind of raids the communities complain...I wish we can have many of this raids everwhere... - Kolobe |
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@ Les-Maada, John 12/05/2008 14:10
If you are not happy with your salary increase, will you throw around trashcans at work, breaking glass and prevent your fellow workers from entering the work place? There are other ways to voice your anger...WHY ACT LIKE A HOOLIGAN? - jannie |
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KOLOBE 12/05/2008 14:12
That is where you got it wrong K, I'm one off those who earn 5 times more than you, so stop complaining about everything and start being a bit productive then you will also start feeling better about yourself, and your people...now go work a bit. - z |
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Blame us..Blame society! 12/05/2008 14:14
I think American institutions are the most dangerous. Even in the UK we have horror stories of the bullies in preschools.Point is campus's are snapshots of societies.It is an unintended consequence that we turn on each other.But are you surprised?Look at the intolerance of these howlers and we wonder why people are aggressive.Bet their kids are no different either!Hence we shall reap what we sow! Keep safe chief. - Cape town Kid |
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What,s next 12/05/2008 14:17
Is there anything else left to be missed up ? - shaun |
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*sigh* @ Andrew 12/05/2008 14:20
Hear hear. Always the same voices. - chillepeppa |
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UP safe 12/05/2008 14:22
I can second M on that fact that security at UP is very tight. As a female living at one of the res's I always felt very safe where ever I was - especially at the residence itself. You needed an access card, pin code and student card to get in the res in the evening. - Miss T |
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Thats why 12/05/2008 14:22
Too many Einsteins - Simian |
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African cultures 12/05/2008 14:22
The reason for all this turmoil goes pretty deep, and after travelling through Africa for years, South Africa included, my consensus is that some cultures simply are more primitive than others and cannot properly cope with modern societies. The problem of South Africa lies here, and I suggest that some cultures should behave more modestly and be thankful for what they have been given. And for the record, I am NOT south african (and not even white). - John A. T. |
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Mmmmmm 12/05/2008 14:24
Its a sad day indeed, when everything on these forums seem to revolve around Kolobe and his views.Its really annoying that half the people on here take up space by wasting their time commenting on what he has to say.zzzzzzzzzzz - nWo |
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Students and their parents 12/05/2008 14:24
To send your child off to school or university these days must be heart wrenching. I can only imagine the agony you all go through, and the children. Put them in God's Hands. SA is a cesspool of rapists, murderers, muggers, thieves etc. We are not safe anywhere. And no, I am NOT LEAVING. Z, how many times have I wondered about that too. He must be wasting his or someone elses money. What a blabbermouth. - Alicia |
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Students have choices 12/05/2008 14:25
They don't have to live on campus. If they want 1st rate security on campus they must be willing to pay for it. And we all know what the answer to that one is don't we kolobe? Finally (kolobe), what on earth is the connection between the Stellenbosch debacle and Themba's letter? DOH! PS - Kolobe please supervise your cleaners - the bathrooms in our building are looking quite shabby. - bokkie |
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Kolobe Re: Crime 12/05/2008 14:26
You are confusing 2 issues. Crime in universities and public outrage at police brutality. You need to think before you post. - Rian |
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John A. T. 12/05/2008 14:28
If you are not South African then what the hell are you doing with South African issues...try to sort out your own nonsense in your own backyard wherever you are...this is none of your business... - Kolobe |
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safety around the world 12/05/2008 14:28
if you think SA universities are unsafe try US universities. i have lost count of students killed on campuses just this year alone. i always knew that crime was not just a SA problem, it is everywhere. having recently moved to the US i know how much of a problem crime is in this country (US). the difference however is that criminals know that when caught they will be made to pay. i am not sure if i can say the same about SA criminals though... - khuzwayo |
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@John A.T - please dont 12/05/2008 14:30
You're stirring the pot for no reason. Once again, you are happy to your opinion. But saying "certain cultures" are too primitive to deal with modern society??? Give me a break! Society is learnt behaviour, not innate, and despite what you as a foreigner might think. RSA WILL unite one day and we will be a stronger nation because of the turmoil we've survived. - Andrew |
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Gratefull 12/05/2008 14:31
I'm glad the properties surrounding (Hatfield) the TUKS campus have been improved and that they got rid of those shady places. Probable one of the reasons that the crime levels are not so bad in the TUKS area. - Jay |
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nWo 12/05/2008 14:31
Thank you my chief...I guess people should be creative enough to air their own views instead of addressing everything I have to say...I find myself looking for some sensible debate without success...sometime I wish JQ was white...Maybe news24 should appoint David Bullard...looking for a serious challenge... - Kolobe |
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grant and kolobe 12/05/2008 14:35
You both are idiots for condoning what happened in stellenbosch,what would you do if it was your daughter being klapped around,now you say they must come to jhb,boet the jhb people wont stand around and be klapped by the police,neither will I. - creech |
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@jannie / canine! 12/05/2008 14:36
Jannie, why can't you address the topic at hand and leave Kolobe alone?! You must tell him if what you really want is a shag with him......i mean really, why do you keep following him around like this? Sis, you are shameless!!! - wanted |
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Exageration 12/05/2008 14:39
Well I have been a student at historically black & white universities there was very little violent crime happened. I agree with CT Kid that American institutions are the worst when coming to violent crime. I think the author of this article did not get enough facts or research instead he just over-generalise and exagerating the situation. - Revolver |
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Kolobe is a TROLL! 12/05/2008 14:39
My connections tell me that Kolobe works for News24 and gets paid to troll these forums with his contentious posts in order to up the readership. Makes sense, doesn't it? - He who knows |
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It never used to be this way.... 12/05/2008 14:42
I went to university in the early 1980's when the old government was still in charge (thank goodness) and recall my alma mater to be a very safe place where there was law and order. Rape, assault, car theft etc on campus were negligible in those days. No prizes for guessing why it was safer then..... - Cynical |
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