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Surprise!!!!
13/05/2008 08:31
With due respect, Ndumiso, none of your postings have ever given you out as Mbeki supporter. So, you can imagine my surprise. - L van Heerden |
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This is a photocopy of my letter that was released last month.
13/05/2008 08:35
Ndumiso I cannot agree with you more lets start counting: 1) The Aids Denial, 2) Crime Denial, 3) Refusing to fire Manto and Selebi. 4) Clapping Winnie Mandela in public at Orlando Stadium, 5) Eskom, 6) Zimbabwe, 7) Scorpions report, 8) dragging his feet to appoint Khalema Motlhantle to parliament. The man has lost the plot, like you Ndumiso, I feel betrayed and stupid for supporting him and there are more out there who feel like us. He is fast loosing his mind and cuts a lonely pathetic figure in the world today - Libembe |
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I 'm with you on this one...
13/05/2008 08:36
Mbeki seems to have lost the plot, or maybe he has lost it a long time ago and many of his supporters just wasn't willing to acknowledge that. I certainly was one of them, but not anymore. - witseun |
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Did He....
13/05/2008 08:38
...say that HIV does not cause AIDS? While he might have implied it by his actions, no one has actually ever quoted him as you have done.
The Ginwala commission is ongoing, and so how could the president have ignored its recommendation? The president has never denied that Zimbabwe is in a crisis. If it was not, why would he be involved? Get your facts, broer. By Nkosazana Zuma (Foreign Affairs), perhaps you meant Tshabalala-Msimang (Health)? Facts, broer!!!! - Lvh |
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Mbeki
13/05/2008 08:38
Can we please let this subject go everybody knows that he screwed up why whip a dead horse it is not going to do any good. Two other subjects that have been done to death are Eskom and Zim lets find a subject that will start an intelligent conversation. - Peter@CT |
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Ndumiso
13/05/2008 08:39
My friend, I'm sure that there's a lot of my kind that will be firing at you with I told you so's, but I won't. I'd rather empathize with you, as there is nothing worse than finding out that your trust has been abused. I am glad though that people like you who were once loyal supporters are starting to realize that all is not well. The more this happens, the more likely this country is to start working together. I?m presuming that you will not ever vote for another party than the ANC, but I am sure you?ll think a little harder next time before voting with your heart. - Johann |
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Mbeki must go now
13/05/2008 08:40
Mbeki must take his holier than thou attitude and give up the presidency. He has done nothing but make the antogonism between the race much more visible and has managed to make SA a rogue democratic country in the eyes of the world by supporting dictatorships like cuba, Burma and Zimbabwe.Mbeki is the epitomy of the old style African leaders where he does not welcome any advice or criticism, even positive, from nobody. Mbeki has failed SA miserably and must go NOW!!!!! - mrBIG |
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Mbeki
13/05/2008 08:40
You know the saying: "One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist." The same here. They build up alliances in the past with dictartors like Mugabe and downright crooks like Selebi. They denied HIV just to justify the anti-retroviral story, and when they suddenly admit it, a fruitbasket is the cure. Sadly this is not just Mbeki, it's the whole lot. I agree with Ndumiso - early election please. - Danny |
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Since Polokwane...
13/05/2008 08:41
...what ANC leader can consider himself to have been sacificed for their support for Mbeki, considering that Polokwane was in December? Vusi Pikoli and Selebi the recently suspended people after Polokwane can hardly be perceived to be Zuma supporters.
Surely, if you are going to arrive a dramatic turn in your support, it has to be based on facts, rather than self created facts, with little bearing on reality - Len Anderson |
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TM's time is up
13/05/2008 08:44
"...as much as we love him and doubt any other proven leader could replace him at the moment..."
Did you really mean to say that? ANYBODY would be a better pres. than the incumbent.His leadership style has ecome increasingly dicatatorial and irrational - taking tips from Bob no doubt. Thank God the delegates to Polokwane booted him out, though I fear the damage has already been done. - VG |
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Next President
13/05/2008 08:45
Ndumiso, who would you like to see as the next president? I personally am a Helen supporter more for who she is than what the party is that she supports. Someone who allows an open channel of communication between the public and the people in charge. Once a week she speaks on Good Hope FM with Nigel Pearce. I don't know many people who would do that every week. - Sandy |
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It took you too long
13/05/2008 08:46
My friend sorry for you, Fikile Mbalula was one of his big supportes and all changed when youth league pushed for the status quo, Mbeki showed his true coloures.All that you mentioned was just few of other things that he did, look at it closely, the whole saga began with Arms deal and some of his cronis who benefited from it are still not investigated why? - Martin Radebe |
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Ndumiso
13/05/2008 08:46
My friend, I'm sure that there's a lot of my kind that will be firing at you with I told you so's, but I won't. I'd rather empathize with you, as there is nothing worse than finding out that your trust has been abused. I am glad though that people like you who were once loyal supporters are starting to realize that all is not well. The more this happens, the more likely this country is to start working together. I?m presuming that you will not ever vote for another party than the ANC, but I am sure you?ll think a little harder next time before voting with your heart. - Johann |
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age
13/05/2008 08:47
I believe that there should be an age limit on being president. Once you have reached retirement age of 65, you are no longer elligible. It seems to me that as leaders get older they get more arrogant and out of touch. This has been the case the world over - not just here. Surely a younger, in-touch, dynamic leader is better than some mad, senile old fart. - greggo |
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Ndumiso, real wake-up, at last!
13/05/2008 08:47
Now if only all the other citizens of this country could also get to the realisation you did. Bottomline is that all RSA citizens need a change in attitude and work together for a better RSA for ALL!!! ANC and present Gov fatcats all deserve to get booted. I do share your concern as to who will replace them. Why don't we as citizens of this country establish a new Non-biased, Non-Racist new party with competent people regardless of race, etc. before we become a 2nd Zim!!! - Matrix |
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Hindsight is 20/20
13/05/2008 08:47
They say hindsight is the best science. I am also dissapointed to hear all these revelations about Thabo Mbeki, in fact Mark Gevisser's biography has more.
It is probably unfair to simply judge the man by his failures while ignoring the good as well. The fact that he enjoyed so much support, led the country through its biggest economic boom, success at economic reform SARS,Treasury,Science and Technology ministries,the opening up of critical and intellectual debate should not be overlooked - Pitso |
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So true...
13/05/2008 08:48
I have to agree with you on this, it is truly sad that we as South Africans don't have a leader, someone who can help uplift this nation to who and what we can be. There is just too many smoke screens going around... - W |
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upported Mbeki
13/05/2008 08:49
You have nailed it on the head with this article. You are one of many thousands of people that feel exactly the same. Our Pres. has failed us and the democratic way is to call an early election and elect a new one. It is time that people of all races start to take things in their own hands when it comes to poor governance - perform and deliver or we will vote you out!! - Chris Pieters |
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You not wrong
13/05/2008 08:50
"Were the signs of what we are seeing now always there or were we somehow blinded to the truth?" No you did nothing wrong, he was protected by the mammoth ANC propaganda machine, the same machine that has shunned him now, and is which protecting Zuma now. You must remember in politics the truth is not important it is the illusion of A truth that is. - padkos |
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Objectivity
13/05/2008 08:50
Well said young man, I certainly share your sentiments. It is inspiring to see that some of his supporters are also objective, and do not just blindly support him. You have given me some hope! - CalliedJ |
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You aren't the only one
13/05/2008 08:50
Ndumiso, you weren't the only one who placed a lot of faith in Mbeki. I had a very high regard for him and am very saddened to hear of his intentional hiding of information to protect certain people. For all the incredible work that the generation before us did to ensure freedom across Africa their blind loyalty to each other is now reversing the gains they made. Let's hope new leadership will look to the needs of the country and not individuals. - George |
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"By the people, for the people"
13/05/2008 08:52
NOT, by the governmental officials, for the government officials, and all their friends, and relatives, and BEE partners, and partners in crime. - Sinudeity |
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Viva DA
13/05/2008 08:54
that is Thabo...now what about the corruption of our next president...Jacob Zuma? and how he had a SHOWER to protect himself from HIV. What a joke...let the games begin yet again! - Ethel Mkize |
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shame...
13/05/2008 08:54
It`s not only Mbeki who dissappointed the nation but the whole ANC too,in their cover ups and support for convicted and alleged criminals.Mbeki was never for the masses yet he led them to believe all he`s doing is for them and they foolishly sang his praises.Millions of black blindingly followed ANC because the whites were labelled as oppressors so they would vote any other way,a sure way of staying in power. - fatman |
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Libembe
13/05/2008 08:54
One thing about ignorance is that the ignorant one often takes what they say as fact. It is not President Mbeki's prerogative or responsibility to swear Kgalema into parliament. Parliament and the Executive are separate institutions, in case that was not already clear. - L van Heerden |
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Personal ambition
13/05/2008 08:57
power,control,mafia's he got shoes from Jackie Selebi the was no way he can fire him mbeki is as corrupt as he's whole MP'S, steping down will be a good thing for him, but in few months time his term will come to an end - thabo |
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Honourable Mbeki
13/05/2008 08:57
A poletitian is never to be trusted. Look at how they sound nowadays, they are blatantly arrogant.Their attitute is disgusting and they forget that those they keep in the darkness and uneducated will one day see light at the other side of the tunnel and turn their backs against them. - MJOMANA |
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Sandy
13/05/2008 08:59
Helen Zille is the very same woman who is so opposed to an open channel of communication regarding her financing the spying scandal that she has now gone to the High Court to stop the Erasmus commission?
So, cannot see how different to any politicans she could be, but goes to show that we seem to have different tastes in whom we support whether rational or irrational. - LvH |
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Mbeki
13/05/2008 09:03
I agree with you Ndumiso as much as there has been questions around Mbeki's leadership, there has been good, how ever calculating between the good and the ugly that he did, i have to say his leadership style is questionable, but whose leadership is not. I howver think that Zuma can be able to replace him, i regard Zuma as a humanitarian leader while Mbeki on the side is primarily concerned about how the rand will perform the next day disregarding the human aspect. - Thokozani |
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It's So Sad
13/05/2008 09:04
It's so sad that he has managed to kill off the hope and promise left by the Madiba legacy. He will forever be remembered for his weak and vacillating leadership. And he will be damned by history for his ineffective government. AIDS, Zimbabwe, Crime, Health Care, Power Crises, Cronyism, and Corruption will forever be the words synonymous with Mbeki's reign. It's so sad because it could have been so much better. - Shaun |
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Isn't it funny...
13/05/2008 09:05
...how when a lot of people were pointing at these exact facts, and warning others of the consequences, that they were branded "coconuts" and "racists." No one is blinder, than he who shall not see... - Theki Mtish |
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Mbeki
13/05/2008 09:08
Ndumiso,your support of Thabo Mbeki for something he did not say is an the opposite of the people who hate him for things he has not said.The man is a lot of things but a sceintist he is not - he can therefore not make statements on what causes or does not cause AIDS.As for Ms Routledge who was not authorised to travel but did anyway - what other option would you have given Mbeki,taking into account his previous warnings to her?Has Selebi not been charged and relieved of his duties? - Ndlovu |
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We vote for the party & not the president
13/05/2008 09:08
Hey man, the problem is becasue we vote for the party & not the president. If we had elections like in Zim, Mbeki would not have won. Although he's a clever person, he's also extremely devious. That's why his party gave him the boot. The cosolation is that the ANC membership does get rid of it's president - that's why I will still vote for them. - Mzekezeke |
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Just like Bush
13/05/2008 09:09
I think it is similar to Americans regretting for ever putting Bush in the office! There is just no way to know which politicians will really live up to what they say! Let's hope for the best with the next term! Leadership does matter! - Etienne |
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Mbheki had he's time
13/05/2008 09:11
He must go change is good , Even if he's replacement is JZ , at leasta new broom sweeps clean for a while.Taking in consideration the behaviour of the ANC recently I think they slowly starting to split up , That is good for SA , we dont need dictators and that where the ANC is heading power and money hungry and that leads to dictation .. - bongani |
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The most frightening
13/05/2008 09:12
... implication of his complicity in the Zimbabwe debacle is that it shows that democracy does not really mean anything to him. One cannot wonder how many other high-ranking people in the ANC share his way of thinking. - ghost |
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Recycled article
13/05/2008 09:12
This topic has been exhausted time and again. To be honest, you did not add any new information other than what you read in the white media. Your article is riddled with factual errors and presumtions. Before writing an article do some research, read Mbeki's biography by various authors and stop being lazy by re-posting recycled article. No wonder white people thinks that we blacks are lazy, it is because of people like you. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Too Simplistic...
13/05/2008 09:13
I dont think that TM is the only one too blame.An ANC leader does not operate in isolation.The DA does but not the ANC.Point is, who were the movers and the shakers behind TM.They should also be fingered.I have a concern tho, you cannot be as fickle as the inconclusive "findings" u r presenting.JS still needs his day in court etc etc.Lastly, ANC voters do not vote for a personality but the organisation! - Cape Town Kid |
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Its the beginning ....
13/05/2008 09:14
Of the end for the ANC ... Just look at their actions lately haha its a joke , Wake up masses you are no longer their priority , Its now corruption and self enrichment !!! - charlie |
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He has never been responsible
13/05/2008 09:15
They say he comes from a family that never knew love. He never trusts completely hence he feels betrayed after Polokwane.He has never know any other life than politics. He believes nobody can think better than him. He is cold (remember when he slapped Winnie).
I dought he initiated the economic boom. It was just a conincedence. If he did where is he now when the price everything is going up? - Solza |
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Mbeki
13/05/2008 09:16
I guess Ndumiso u r out of your mind, reading all these stories without true facts has paralysed your thinking completely. Thabo has done extremely well for this nation and these few misconception its a pity yo limited information has paralysed you too. Go and empower yourself about Zimbabwe and u shall know the truth. Think before you right ........ - RK |
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Bob & Mbeki: 6 na 9
13/05/2008 09:16
AS a Zimbabwean who vigorously supported anti-apatheid policies, I cannot understand how Mbeki can can be accused for a 'holier than thou' attitude. Did Botha not kill millions of South Africans who differed with him on many fronts? Incidentally, Mbeki's holier than thou attitude is exactly the animal in Bob that we Zimbabweans are fighting to drive out of him although we might not win. No wonder why we are calling Mbeki bob's foreign affairs minister. - Musoro Bhangu |
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agree
13/05/2008 09:17
Excellent post.You have put down in words just what I have been feeling.Very,very disappointed in Mbeki.His involvement and protection of Selebi appears rather sinister. - granny |
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Same here
13/05/2008 09:20
Agreed. i was one of those staunch supporters of the president. but recently in particular on the Zim issue and the Selebi saga, im not sure anymore - Boni |
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Recycled article
13/05/2008 09:20
Biographies on Mbeki contains information presented in a way he wants it presented. Observing his actions over the last few years presents a picture of a madman.
And Mzekezeke, the time it takes for the party boot to be effective he carries on doing dammage.
I never thought African politics were very effective. You just confirmed my suspicions.
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Like a DONKEY bumping his head.. over and over and over..
13/05/2008 09:25
And you will probably support Zuma till he runs this country even further in the ground... And then you will support the next anc loser and the next and the next. You see, this is the problem and why we refer to you poor souls as the UNEDUCATED MASSES.. Why, BECAUSE YOU NEVER LEARN. Like a Donkey running inot the sam rock over and over and over. I have no sympathy for any of the people who was wronged by the ANC. They got what they deserved. There arent pills for stupidity you know.. - Jinx |
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LvH - Zilles Spyprobe
13/05/2008 09:25
Was the spying NOT to implicate crooked politicians? Morkel and Chabaan? Sometimes you have to play dirty to get the dirty guys. The entire Erasmus commission is simly an ANC propaganda trick. One that you fell for bigtime. I for one WELCOME politicians spying on other politicians, in hopes of ridding us of all the bad apples. Although, there might be none left in the end. - Sinudeity |
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Whatever.
13/05/2008 09:26
In 30 years time when AA and BEE is a thing of a past, I will also submit a lawsuit against the goverment. It is called reverse rasism... - Jinx |
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CapeTownKid - Voting for a party not a person
13/05/2008 09:26
AND THERE is your problem right there. WE dont pick our leader. The government inner-circle picks the leader of the country. We have no say. Use the American Primaries as an example. Wouldn't you rather have Thabo and Jacob bashing it out on public television for our votes? - Sinudeity |
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Mbeki tried to destroy our country!!!
13/05/2008 09:27
The reason I say this is most his policies seem to be detrimental to the country! He destroyed health care, and anyone wishing to argue against this point I have two words for you, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang! Education in this country is all but destroyed! Schools are havens for little delinquents. Our infrastructure is on the verge of collapse (just wait, the water problems will start to surface soon). All I can say is, I was very happy to hear that mbeki lost at Polokwane. - Truth |
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No LvH
13/05/2008 09:32
he meant Manto, the beetroot & garlic lady. Ndumiso i think you will find a large amount of solidarity with this article. TM in his first term stood up amongst other great African leaders but unfortunately his arrogance has gotten the better of him. I believe he is hiding behind a curtain of deceit and perhaps we'll never know to what extent. He is certainly protecting Bob Mugg, who knows from what. Although a very "strong" person, i'm NOT sure if Zuma is the correct leader to fill his shoes. - John Camp |
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we should adopt the American way
13/05/2008 09:34
of choosing our president. Look At this obama Clinton story and see how interactive the people are in choosing their president. Ok neither clinton or obama will beat war veteran john mccain for the presidency but at least there everyone gets to vote unlike here where only a handfull of num skulls get top choose the fate of this country. - terence |
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Birds of a Further
13/05/2008 09:38
I agree with all of you that Mbeki lost the plot by his denialism.How can someone deny that the ANC need reform,he should have groomed a party leader instead of trying to continue in office through the back door.Mbeki abused the ANC and i am Zimbabwean and i support the ANC.i tell you living in this country under Mbeki's rule has been painful.He like Mugabe didnt want to leave office by running for a 3rd ANC term in office,like Bob he denies things on the ground,they deny and deny and deny... - Cleman |
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Imagine how stupid you are going to feel
13/05/2008 09:39
when the MugaZuma has been president for 10 years and has ruined the country, man you're going feel pretty stupid then....I sure hope and pray Khalema Motlhantle will be our next president,all these other people are meglomaniac idiots, politicians can't live with them can't shoot em, unless you live in KZN.... - me |
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nail on the head...
13/05/2008 09:40
My friend Ndumiso, you have echoed so many people's sentiments this time. I could'nt have put it so eloquently myself...like they say: There's no smoke without a fire. So all these reports that are coming up about our former-beloved Mbeki are based on something. People who are anti-Mbeki used to crucify him as a far back as his first year in office, and I use to defend his philosophy to the last letter. Now I have lost all faith in him... - Happy |
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LvH
13/05/2008 09:41
"One thing about ignorance is that the ignorant one often takes what they say as fact." - Wise words, indeed. Maybe you yourself should take heed? In my estimation, you are one of the most ignorant sods on this forum! - Boykie |
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Any White man can be voted for long
13/05/2008 09:42
As he is in the ANC, so Viva ANC Viv. I say this in that it's the organisation tha allowes all to join and does not look at colour to determine leadership, unlike lot here that white led DA is the answer!!! No friken way am I voting for Helen she is rasist and that is reality.Viva ANC - Mahlomola Moiloa |
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Mbeki vs Zuma
13/05/2008 09:43
Mbeki has failed this country. But Jacobs Zuma is not the answer. Please dont tell me that Zuma is the next best thing. Because that would be shameful; ) - dhv |
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Peter@CT
13/05/2008 09:44
So start one then Peter T - Jinx |
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JZ
13/05/2008 09:45
Let's all just hope that Jacob Zuma can do a better job...sadly, I doubt this - The Post Post Easter Bunny |
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Agreed!
13/05/2008 09:46
The great Nelson Mandela trusted this man with carrying on the good work that he laid the foundation for. Mbeki has failed miserably as president of this country. All he is interested in is the economy and international affairs. Much as I hate to say it, he could learn a LOT from Mr Zuma. The people put you there Thabo, you better start acting like it or you're lost. - Zee |
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solution to crisis
13/05/2008 09:49
Most S. Africans are so depressed and confused about the present state of political uncertainty and the power struggle within the ruling party that are forced to justifiably lose faith in the future of this beautiful country.It would be a pity to destroy what has so far being achieved against so many odds.The only way out of this impasse is for Mr Mandela to ask both Mbeki & Zuma to resign from the race for presidency, for obvious reaons, and nominate a worthy canditate eg Tokyo, Cyril etc. - PC |
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One positive
13/05/2008 09:50
The only positive he has given us is his economic policies, although I believe Trevor Manual is the real star there. I am very worried about losing Manual. - Hendrik |
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This is why Zuma is popular
13/05/2008 09:50
Mbeki is Zuma's campaign manager, because if it was not for Mbeki, support for Zuma would not have multiplied so quickly. I have found myself these part couple of weeks actually supporting Zuma more and more, and this is just because he is not Mbeki!! - Johan B |
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Can we move on please
13/05/2008 09:51
If its not about Zim, it is about Selebi. i for one am still waiting for all these things to be concluded. then we'll see who has the last laugh. - Tin |
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Bla Bla Bla
13/05/2008 09:51
Which white man will be mad enough to join the ANC? We ALL saw what happend at the Polokwane Piss up and I sure as hell won't let my standards drop to hell just to join the ANC .Try Groendakkies.. I think thats where they got there leaders in the 1st place. - jinx |
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The Prez
13/05/2008 09:51
Yes, I agree the time for him to go has come. However, to all the diehard democrats out there I plead, use your vote wisely. You only get it once every 4 years. Forget about historical loyalties and vote for the future you want. If that is ANC dominated, fine, if not, there are other parties. - Jim |
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summary
13/05/2008 09:53
water problems will surface soon yes, Eskom is a bigger problem that we are being told. Land-grabbing has already started. Educated people are forced to leave the country. We're in a downward spiral in this country, accelarating rapidly downwards all the time. One thing where I do salute Mbeki - slapping Winnie and humiliating her infront of everyone. She was late, he was busy with a speech, she was unprofessional. He should've slapped that cow into the grave with Stompie - Danny |
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Yes Ndumiso ,but ...
13/05/2008 09:55
Wake up,there's the DA/FFP's that controls the all powerful predominantely white media (Of course there's also back stabbers within the ANC who've been promised a few slices for helping this opportunists in trying to destroy our new Democracy)Being a leader of the ANC has never been a walk in the park & Mbeki can attest to that.For now its JZ & the sooner Motlanthe comes to the fore the more jam the DA/FFP/RATS & the white media are going to spread.Wake up!! - Les-Maada |
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Mbeki etc.
13/05/2008 09:56
South African's need to stop supporting politicians blindly. The ANC, the DA etc. We can't assume they have our best interests at heart. They need to be judged on the merit of their actions. When TM started spewing crap on the AIDs topic. We should have booted him then. When will people start getting alarmed about JZ trying to stop evidence from being used against him. Is no body getting nervous about TM's relationship with RM, do you think they have a deal to keep eachother in power? - Rian |
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Mbeki is still our beloved President
13/05/2008 09:57
Irrespective of how our President has been recently, but we all know thet President Mandela before was succeeded by our beloved current President everyone was complaining, other leaders are now making themselves as if there is something better they UPHOLD for a country, better are those who critisise knowing they dont have anything to worry about because they dont live below bread line BUT for them to occupy better positions, How can we vote for a party that is confused and divided like ANC. - Sbusiso |
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Mbeki
13/05/2008 10:02
I fully agree with you Dumiso, Mbeki must call for early elections. He is not participating in ANC or Alliance meetings. He should go - Sam |
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an ineffectual leader for a corrupt org..
13/05/2008 10:02
which is exactly what anc deserve and are. The next generation are even worse so I think we will have to just secure our locks and prepare ourselves for more of the same or worse. Yes I am pesimistic at the moment but hopefully there is good news to become optimistic. - Realist |
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Mbheki must go
13/05/2008 10:03
Just a pitty we all know that he will also be replaced by a fool that still hasnt stolen millions and would still need to fool the people while he fills up he's pockets with tax money , Then after that he will loose interrest just like TM did. That we have seen is the ANC policy ! - tiekies |
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I still support Mbeki....
13/05/2008 10:07
This reminds of the story on the Bible about Jesus and the prosititute and multitude of man who wanted to stone her to death... what Jesus then did he asked them if there is any of them who clean enough to be the first one to cast a stone... everyone of those shrug their fithy shoulders and went away. Know my question is?... who of you asking for Mbeki disimissal can claim track record of what he did during his era,you are counting mistakes than achievement try to be balanced not biased. - Takalani |
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TM vs JZ
13/05/2008 10:07
Can't agree with you more Ndumiso. Just not too sure if his 'sentimental' replacement (JZ) will be any better, with any less scandelous behaviour or shameless blunders, to the detriment of S.A. Pity we're heading towards making the same mistake again, and probably again after JZ. (The African Condition) - worried |
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bad sid and good side
13/05/2008 10:08
i think mbeki have his good side and bad side like anybody in this world,you shouldnt judge mbeki by his bad side,even our next president[zuma] has his good side and bad side,the sad thing is that zuma has bad side and have a company of bad people {cosatu and sacp} - vts |
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That's why
13/05/2008 10:09
This arrogance and dictatory leadership is the reason why anybody is only allowed 2 terms to lead in a democrasy. Where ever a leader is allowed more than 2 terms, chaos reigned afterwards. The change of leadership is showing the problems. TM's problems came to light after Polokwane, because the ANC leaders are not protecting him anymore. Do you think the rest of the leaders are better. You can learn from the past, but no-one knows the future. - NCL |
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He must go
13/05/2008 10:09
LvH, the defender of the ANC failures - Thabo Mbeki is the single biggest reason we have a myriad of crisis in the country. If he werea Chairman of a Private company he would have been dismissed. He has turned his back on the most serious issue facing the country - crime - and under his leadership 20,000 lives a year are lost to crime. And yet the denying continues. - ST |
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Direct Quotes for LvH
13/05/2008 10:10
1. "Does HIV cause AIDS? Can a virus cause a syndrome? How? It can't, because a syndrome is a group of diseases resulting from acquired immune deficiency." 2. "I wouldn't describe that as a crisis. It's a normal electoral process in Zimbabwe. We have to wait for ZEC (Zimbabwe Electoral Commission) to release (the results)," Thabo Mbeki - Ndumiso |
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@LvH
13/05/2008 10:10
Well Helen Zille does not have a president trying to cover for her does she? Talking about facts, since when is a commission the same as a court of law? In other words, a person or organization can make ANY accusation towards another person in a commission without having to prove it and when that person responds,like Mr Zuma, to stop unsubstantiated accusations it's irrational? Think again, or sorry, rather don't... - Coen |
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Can someone use their brain cells
13/05/2008 10:11
Can someone out there use their brain cells.AIDS is a state where someone s immune system is low or continue to drop to a state where the body is unable fight for itself against deseases. That create an opportunity for viruses to make a home, replicate and attack that body far more easily.Hence Mr Mbeki say AIDS doesnt kill but deseases that found an opportunity.He must learn to talk out of understanding not emotions. - kgomotso |
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@Mahlomola Moiloa
13/05/2008 10:15
Mahlomola, Hellen Zille is doing a much better job than any of the ANC controlled cities. The DA is not racist anyone can join and if more blacks joined then there would be more blacks in top positions to challenge the ANC. The problem with the ANC is that you have all these freedom fighter who have no clue on how to run a country. Look at eskom, the roads, health services, crime, poverty etc etc. Strengthen the other parties so they challenge the ANC and get a gov that is accountable and listens - james |
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@LvH - Did he ever say... Part 1
13/05/2008 10:15
Yes ? please see ? www.sahistory.org.za
"2000 3 April -Thabo Mbeki writes a letter to world leaders regarding South Africa's position on HIV-AIDS. Mbeki does not share the belief that HIV causes AIDS, a statement which causes an outcry amongst Medical Practitioners and AIDS sufferers in South Africa." "The president has never denied that Zimbabwe is in a crisis." REALLY? Please see www.news24.com -There is no crisis in Zim - Mbeki 12/04/2008 14:30 - (SA) ...
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Black Racist
13/05/2008 10:16
Mahlomola, you say the ANC doesn't look at colour, then you must belong to some other racist party.
Or are you another fine example of the "non-racist" ANC.....
Wake up brother, it's racists like you who are holding the rest of us back. - Shame on you |
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TM
13/05/2008 10:18
If Thabo's policies and implemented rules are so good for the country, just for a second image SA as a country where the politicians did not receive fat pay cheques. This exists in many 3rd world countries. Would TM or Manto want to be admitted to a public hospital if they were ill? So why nail the Private health sector? Would they want to use our public transport system? Would they be happy to live in RDP houses? Those of you who are remarkably still loyal to TM and co, please can you answer me honestly? - Johann |
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We are divided
13/05/2008 10:18
It seems South Africans will learn a lesson once again... There are people who are smearing Thabo Mbeki now that the guard(ANC leadership) is lowered. From local Media to other foreign parties... the same same smearing campaign is done on JZ by those who think he is a criminal. I think what we should learn is some times no matter what we have to stand united behind one president. There seems to be irrepairable cracks within the ruling party which we'll always fall victim to like the author here. - John john |
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Who then...?
13/05/2008 10:18
And JZuma the picture doesn't look any brighter. I thought JZ would bring a more humane touch to govt as to the cold business approach of Mbeki. But then the damage caused by his impending corruption trial and how many people does he owe favours....Where in the world is Cryil and Tokyo we need them! I feel they will have a good balance between business and peopleof this country, especially the poor... - Gary |
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LvH
13/05/2008 10:19
You clearly don't listen to the live debates with her very week. I'd be open to a lot more politicans if they had open discussions like this to the public. So much for your rationality. - Sandy |
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NDUMISO...
13/05/2008 10:19
What is it that you are smoking? I'd like some too! I also want to feel that flight from reality that you are getting. - Jack |
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It is not a race issue...
13/05/2008 10:20
First of all Johann, why did you have to bring up the race issue with your reference to the "... a lot of my kind that will be firing at you with I told you so's, but I won't." comment. What we are talking about here is a PRESIDENT that has let us down, not a black president. It could just have easily been an Indian president or a white president. Look at George Bush... Enough said. - Luanne |
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As proud South Africans
13/05/2008 10:21
This will be the same reports (if not worst) against Zuma in eight years. - Marx |
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Don't forget electricity, and more
13/05/2008 10:21
You forgot the electricity debacle, a MASSIVE blunder that has damaged our economy very badly and already cost thousands of jobs. Then there is the crime crisis. Tolerance of corruption. Blocking of the development of public transport. Protectionism of taxi cartels. Failure to revive spoornet, contributing to huge inflation rate. Allowing agriculture to suffer. Water infrastructure. Hospitals. Education. Telecomms protectionism disaster. It's failure after failure after failure. - David |
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Mahlomola Moiloa
13/05/2008 10:21
And Mahlomola Moiloa, why do you think Helen is a rasist? Whenever I see her she is leading people of all races in the war on drugs, on corruption. Please educate me as to how she has displayed any form of Racism? Or is it just you who will never vote for a white woman? - Luanne |
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decision to fire
13/05/2008 10:23
It seems like Ndumiso and some other people in this forum seem to belive TM operates as n island.i think not.did u all know dat Kgalema knew abt the decision 2 fire JM n he supported the idea.wat duz dat make him?how many piple within the ANC knew abt AIDS,Crime,Arms Deal?remember it is the Prez dat speaks in public abt de issues & put his head on the block.Vavi,Fickle,JZ,Blade,Gwede and the rest all sacrificed TM 4 de advancement of their careers.now:do u expect TM to start ratting on them? - black1 |
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@ Les-Maada re: Jam
13/05/2008 10:26
Are you saying that the "white media" are making it all up? I'm sure he has been misquoted once in a while but c'mon man. Look at the state of the education system, look at the state of the criminal justice system, the heath system, the national power grid. These are all things that he has allowed to rot in his time as president. Now tel |
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