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'Barbaric and unbecoming'
13/05/2008 11:33  - (SA)  

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  • Arthur Maisela, News24 User

    In the early 1990s, Africa and the rest of the world witnessed some gruesome killings in Rwanda between the Hutus and Tutsis. Many Rwandan people fled to neighbouring countries, South Africa being one of them, to seek refuge and were welcome with warm hands.

    The recent situation in Zimbabwe also forced many people to flee from the economic crisis facing this once-beautiful country into neighbouring countries. Other countries, like Darfur, also had their fair share of crisis. This has led to an increase in the number of refugees (and illegal immigrants) entering the country.

    This growing number of refugees and asylum seekers in the country has brought with it a new breed of crime called xenophobia. Xenophobic attacks are in the increase especially in the townships of Gauteng (the hub of South African economy) where locals see foreigners as criminals and also accused them of stealing their jobs because they accept lowly paid jobs.

    Lawlessness is becoming the order of the day with locals in Soshanguve burning foreigners' shacks and killing some of them. Atteridgeville, Mamelodi and recently Alexandra also followed suit.

    Do something

    It is time that the government does something about this shameful situation. I believe that there could be a solution to the problems encountered other than resorting to crime. Some arguments raised by the locals make sense but one must ask what are we doing to alleviate the problem. Do we really believe that killing the refugees will alleviate the problem?

    I was listening to a morning show in one of the local talk radio stations when one caller indicated that before the foreigners came into the country drugs such as nyaope were not known but today it is being sold in every street corner apparently by the same foreigners.

    I mean, we have the police who are supposed to take care of situations of this nature. If one sees a crime happening why not report it to the police? Why would one go in a rampage and kill innocent people under the guise of ridding the country of crime?

    This is barbaric and unbecoming of South Africa. The looting that accompanies these attacks makes one wonder whether the motive is not purely to rob the foreigners and nothing to do with alleged criminal activities and job taking.

    We, the South Africans, are failing the SADC and our brothers and sisters from our neighbouring countries. We need to put ourselves in the shoes of these foreigners to understand their suffering. Think of yourself visiting Zimbabwe, Darfur, Rwanda, etc and being treated the same way. Surely you wouldn't be happier!

    It is about time that the government intensity its efforts to root out lawlessness and these criminal elements parading the streets in the guise of messiahs. This is the time to act. Talk is over. It is upon time that we call on the South African President to start making time for South African issues.

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      Xenophobia my foot
    13/05/2008 11:41
    This needs to be addressed a crime not a Xenophobia, these people are criminals and needs to be treated as such. I find it difficult to accept that human beings can be treated like this and be blamed for everything that goes wrong??? This has given some rasist a reason to launch an attack on ANC once again forgeting apartheid was created by their gradfathers through which they benefited, this is not a political issue it's crime and needs to be seen as such.Do we really have to blame ANC on everything, I find it hard to accept cause yes whether you like it or not National Party has much to do with the current situation in this country but of cause not the hatred of other humen in the name of Xenophobia, I condemn it I hate the word and dispice the behaviour of SA citizens in addressing the matter. - Mahlomola Moiloa
     
      What does all these......
    13/05/2008 11:44
    African countries have in common ? A goverment that failed the people , ( I hope SA is not on that parth). These forigners are not contrebuting anything to SA and its people but they are taking the food from SA citizens mouths, This would upset me too, The people get upset because the ANC does nothing about these people streaming across the border by the thousends. These people must go back !! - charlie
     
      'Barbaric and unbecoming
    13/05/2008 11:47
    In the absence of proper policing-remeber Lucky dube killing by foreigners-people feel hopeless and resort to violence as means to resolve their problems. Put proper policing and adress poverty than people will be inlcine to share their space and matetrial with whoever is affected. - sbu
     
      Where there is smoke there is fire...?
    13/05/2008 11:47
    I have mixed feelings about this but admittedly I'm gravitating more towards agreeing with the xenophobic attacks. After all violent crimes have increased exponentially ever since the problems in Zim began. - MP3
     
      That's what happens
    13/05/2008 11:49
    so by the way - for you guys who want to backlash about my comment, don't bother - I won't be reading here again, but go ahead if it makes you feel better! - ice
     
      Yes it is barbaric
    13/05/2008 11:49
    however, if you go to Hillbrow/Berea/Yeoville, you cannot help but believe you are in Lagos or Kinshasa. These guys behave as if they own the place and have no regard for the laws of the country. They make locals to feel no sympathy for the deserving ones. THESE FOREIGNERS MUST LEARN TO HUMBLE THEMSELVES - THIS NOT THEIR COUNTRY. - Mzekezeke
     
      Lawlessness
    13/05/2008 11:50
    I agree with you Arthur, and it's not just in the townships where this is happening. Lawlessness is rife. Look at the recent university student protests and the ANCYL meeting - and these people are seemingly educated. These images are broadcast internationally and makes this country look barbaric. A handful of people making everyone look bad. - Jann
     
      As always
    13/05/2008 11:51
    Like with so many problems we experience in SA, there's no financial incentive for anyone in government to do anything about it. Wether our so-called safety and security minister does anything about this, it will not affect his salary, so why SHOULD he? - Juan
     
      Xenophobia is caused by unfulfilled promises
    13/05/2008 11:51
    Xenophobic attacks are rife because there is a scramble of resources and locals are disappointed that they have not received what they were promised from government. In the village where I live, people are sad that we still dont have houses and electricity and that's another element that causes this rage. My 6 year old daughter walks 3 kilos to buy paraffin and my wife cooks on the woodfire behind our hut. Where is the better life? - Sello
     
      Unbecoming???
    13/05/2008 11:51
    It's precisely what anybody could expect to happen in South Africa, there's nothing surprising about it at all. Rapists and murderers are rewarded with time in hotels, oops, I meant prison.... - Nigel
     
      So you still have faith in "Government"?
    13/05/2008 11:53
    Sorry I lost faith in ANC / Goverment / Mbeki long time ago already - they do not care what happens to the country as long as they can "swindle some more money"... Quote - Thabo Mbeki: "Crisis? What crisis?" - Henry
     
      I'd assume you are a professional Mr Maisela
    13/05/2008 11:54
    But what would you do if are shown the door simply because some foreigner is willing to take your post with R6000 less salary? - MaLeFaCtOr
     
      The conduct of illegal immigrants is barbaric....
    13/05/2008 11:54
    The conduct of the illegal immigrants is barbaric and unbecoming...contrary to their behaviour south african immigrants studied while in exile...President Mbeki is one of those..We contrinuted positely to their economic growth..unlike this illegal immigrants that target our innocent working class with violent crime...The government should erect a refuge camp... - Kolobe
     
      Immigrants
    13/05/2008 11:54
    I understand the locals anger frustration with illegal immigrants. The immigrants are hardly refugees though they are just normal Zimbabweans who've mucked up their own country and now poor are seeking to improve their life by illegally residing SA. It's the poor policing of immigrants that sees so many of them here draining our economy becoming involved in violent crime and depriving locals of income. All illegal Zimbabweans should be deported back to Zimbabwe and maybe then they'll vote the right way.... - Dennis
     
      What to do,what to do!!!!!!!
    13/05/2008 11:55
    Charity starts at home.We as South africans must look after our own first before we can start to look after others.There are numerous poor people here (South Africans) that are starving everyday.At some of the wellfare organizations you see hundreds of foreigners being helped,with food clothes etc.Dont you think that this is the start of the "hatred"?People from other countries need to go through a long process to obtain a workpermit.These Zimbabwians come into the country and just start to work - GPB
     
      Barbaric to say the least
    13/05/2008 11:55
    What a cruel continent Africa is. This is just another example of denial, "quite diplomacy" and ineffective rule of African's by African's. It is so sad and will be judged in years to come. - JTA
     
      Their service rules
    13/05/2008 11:56
    I feel sorry for the foreigners. They come here fleeing from hardship and they work hard to send money back home. They are always friendly and the service levels in restaurants and garages have increased 10 fold. I personally insist on a foreigner to serve me in restaurants. Unlike the locals who are lazy, rude and expect everything for nothing. If the foreigners are involved in crime then I lament that and they should be rooted out and sent back. Seal the borders. - Krantz
     
      Refugees
    13/05/2008 11:58
    What I want to know is why all these people are coming to South Africa from countries our government considers bastions of human rights and democracy. If there is no problem in Zimbabwe (according to Mbeki) how can you allow refugees from such a place. The same with Nigeria and other African countries. What are these people refugees from? Send them back and let them sort out their own problems instead of adding to ours. - Joseph
     
      Charity starts at home
    13/05/2008 11:59
    When will government learn that until they can provide their own citizens with a respectable standard of living, foreigners will not be tolerated. Its like Mbeki and his boykies commenting all knowledgeably about China or Iraq. You can't sort out the kak in your own back yard, or look after your own people, how do you propose to extend a lifeline to anyone else. Its just poor governance. - ian e
     
      Barbaric
    13/05/2008 12:00
    I fully agree with your call for some assistance to help solve this problem. This behaviour is typical of what our fellow citezens view is a justified re-action to a increasing problem. Mob justice is ruled by the majority and unfortunally whether right or wrong Majority rule. Get used to it ........ I have. - 2minds
     
      Keep on biting the hand that feeds them
    13/05/2008 12:00
    I say burn them out.They come here looking for work and a house that was promised to S.A citiznes putting stress on a decaying infrastructure and social services, if they cant find work they start robbing pillaging and raping.Why arent they in their "liberated" countries working the farmland they chased the whiteman from.Farm murders has passed the 2000 mark making it the most dangerous job in the country.This goverment and the people living here keeps on biting the hand that feeds them. - shane
     
      Agree 100 %
    13/05/2008 12:00
    We need to be considerate to these people. They accomondated our brothers and sisters during the struggle for freedom. We must rid the criminal elements within our communities who pretend to be threatened by our foreign bros and sisters. It is sad to see people killing foreigners(mostly darker skinned) accusing them of stealing jobs. We have so many foreigners in this country but only blacks are targeted by so called concerned groups. - KMK
     
      Clamp down on them hard
    13/05/2008 12:01
    1) Arrest them and set an example with a very stiff sentence. The foreigners want to survive and thus work twice as hard as others, whats wrong with that? Do I kill people that compete in my line of work, NO! 2) Africa needs to deal with its crisis accordingly,what Mbeki did is totally unacceptable in the case of Zim. There wouldn't be a crisis in Zim if the AU/SADC acted by sending in a peace keeping force before the elections. 3)Borders should be guarded even if the neighbour is a friend. - M
     
      Xenophobia
    13/05/2008 12:02
    "The looting that accompanies these attacks makes one wonder whether the motive is not purely to rob the foreigners and nothing to do with alleged criminal activities and job taking." It seems that the locals are jealous of the people who under adverse conditions and in a strange country manage to find a job and start to provide for themselves. When complaining about job taking, the locals should ask why people would rather employ a foreigner. Better work ethic, better skills, better attitude? - Anon
     
      Xenophobia
    13/05/2008 12:02
    whatever unfulfilled promises the govt made, however frustrated the residents of Alex are, nothing justifies these disgusting actions. Some foreigners do contribute tot he crime problem, but others are hated simply because they do the jobs that lazy South Africans wont.How many car guards are from SA? How many street vendors? I think almost none - VG
     
      barberic my AAAA
    13/05/2008 12:02
    Well if the govermunt are to useless to attend to these problems and the crime and ilegall activities these foreners are involved with , our people must do somthing about it , What do you think will happend if 3 million zimbabweans and another 5 million nigerians come to SA , What impact will that have for our local people ? - bongani
     
      How convenient
    13/05/2008 12:03
    to call it xenophobia.Look it up in the dictionary and you'll see it also means racism or racial intolerance not only fear of foreigners, in this case its just an excuse.Yip can you believe it, black on black racism.One way or the other it is barbaric and the actions taken be these people were savage to say the least. - psycobabble
     
      let us come to their defence
    13/05/2008 12:04
    what i saw on tv, news reports the other day heart rending.i feel the foreigners`s pain.we must come to their defence.I share their pain and suffering.Why are we sowing the seeds of hatred? - donald mogotsi
     
      Gautengers are the cause for SA's chaose!!!!!!
    13/05/2008 12:05
    Gautenger's are the laziest bunch who will stop at nothing to get rich quick or to survive.GP alone has placed our country in the red thanks to its criminal reputation.U can blame the Illigal Immigrants for all u want but u've also never helped the situation either.Lets assume all the aliens are gone & see if the country will be back to paradise!!Nope!(You might as well wanna blame ppl from other Provinces for this rot but...u know thats a lie.I'm sick of this lawless Sh#thole called Gauteng!! - Les-Maada
     
      Missing the point
    13/05/2008 12:06
    If we real think that this is to get rid of the foregners then we must think twice. This is a motive from a fallen political part that is trying to gain support from communities. Let it be investigated if the leaders of the attacking group are from that area that has been attacked then you realise what exaclty going on. - Victim
     
      @Sello
    13/05/2008 12:07
    YOU have to make the better life, not someone else has to generate wealth for you so you can have it too. How about you get off your butt and make something of your opportunities?BEE has advanced people will minimal education and experience, why are you not one of them?Stop blaming others,you yourself are to blame - M
     
      Solution
    13/05/2008 12:07
    Neighbouring countries must pressurise Mugabe to accept that all Zimbabwe nationals currently in their country must vote on the upcoming runoff election. Once his party is defeated these illegal immigrants will go back. Currently he is making sure very few stay behind to opose him. - LP
     
      Take back our streets
    13/05/2008 12:07
    How is SA supposed to prosper if we become the orphanage of Africa? The government needs to make accessing SA harder, as is done in many overseas countries. What about refugee camps? These people can be housed and controlled and aid can be distributed properly, making it unnecessary to turn to crime to survive. - VAD
     
      No justification at all for lawlessness
    13/05/2008 12:07
    It's completely unacceptable that attacks on anyone should occur,foreign or not. Let's be honest with ourselves,blaming foreigners for our lack of work ethic and laziness is nothing short of shameful. Yes SOME(a minority)foreigners may be involved in crime, but the majority of criminals are South African.NOTHING stopped people in the township or anywhere from creating their small businesses.Don't blame other hard working folk for your inability to work hard and make something for yourself. - Brenda
     
      Borne out of intolerance
    13/05/2008 12:08
    Despite the fact that South Africans have had a democratically elected government since 1994, little has changed in terms of attitude. For many years Blacks, Coloureds & Indians, in their own country; were treated as second class citizens. It's what they learned and were taught. That attitude to other people, and in particular, foreigners perpetuates and resonates continually today. South Africans on the whole are intolerant and arrogant. - Ferdi
     
      arthur
    13/05/2008 12:08
    i hear your points and view but this "We need to put ourselves in the shoes of these foreigners to understand their suffering" like south africans don't suffer you probably made it and there is not one competing for R500 pay job, try telling to that a poor south african,what is unbecoming is you people who made it tend to look down on poor people, try putting yourself in the shoes of POOR SOUTH AFRICAN - morena
     
      Who says..
    13/05/2008 12:08
    the gov does not do anything about this? they do they took the silent diplomacy once again..... "Moiloa" please stop the first post is to protect ANC if it was any other party that was the gov they would have got the blame for it the curr gov is letting all down black brown white and yellow, so stop defending someone that cant look after you. - Acid0
     
      The other side of the story
    13/05/2008 12:09
    There?s two sides of the story here. I just spoke to someone who resides in Alex and I?m told that the issue here is the fact that locals have been waiting for the houses that have now been built near the N3 highway from 1999. Most of these houses have now been occupied by foreigners and the waiting list has been basically chucked out of the window by corrupt councilors who received and still continuing to receive bribes from the foreigners. I agree with you when you say what they are doing is totally wrong but we need to take into account the frustrations of SA taxpayers and voters that have been waiting since ?99 for homes and now this. Once again we have people that have been failed by our gov and now taking their anger at ?not so innocent? foreigners in Alex. I?m not condoning the behavior?all im saying is: take off your one ?foreigner? shoe and put on the ?Alexandrian? shoe and understand the frustrations before judging people. - Romeo
     
      Great article indeed
    13/05/2008 12:10
    Great article. You are right, when the govt started opening the borders and allowing foreigners to make RSA their home, the govt should have created a programme for them on how they could make an honest living and how they can have proper lives. The arguments raised by the locals against these foreigners is very real however they dont justify us killing foreigners and looting them. Some of the arguments are:- 1) how do you explain Nigerians/Somalis/Zims/Pakistani nationals having ID books and south Africans struggling to get ID books 2) how does one explain foreign nationals owning RDP houses and some even having the audacity to rent them whilst we have a 90yr old south Africans who have never even slept in a proper house 3) how do we justify them (foreign nationals) obtaining govt grants? Whilst there r people who really need the grants and they r not getting it because of some red-tape 4) these illegal foreign nationals commit criminal acts with ease . each and every criminal act commited here, if we look closely there is a foreign national behind it 5) how does our govt explain ot me, a taxpayer tht I cannot get a bed in hospital because we hav illegal and non-tax paying forein nationals filling the hospitals and clinics? The health workers are overworked and underpaid and 70% of their patients are foreign nationals this just a few of the issues that the locals are raising and again it shows that our govt has sacrificed us to these foreign nationals and something must be done now? - slim one
     
      What this is
    13/05/2008 12:12
    SA's quite diplomacy on Zim coming back to bite the locals.Suddenly locals are finding the foreigners are taking up their jobs and they have a right to be angry and should be holding Mbeki for his denial of the situation in Zim and for not properly protecting our borders. - Clint
     
      Appalling!
    13/05/2008 12:12
    So the way to deal with the Nigerian thugs that rule Hillbrow is to attack a bunch of random foreigners (including women and children) in Alex? How is that going to "humble" foreigners living in our country? And since when did we start drawing our own fabricated conclusions about the true sources of crime - based upon what's happening in Zimbabwe - without a shred of real evidence? Some of the comments on this site truly deserve no countenance. - Warren
     
      stupid africans
    13/05/2008 12:12
    If there was a hell, all africans would burn in it! We always choose to destroy the weak and helpless. Europeans came here to rob us and treated (and continues to) us as inferior, in the end we let them keep the land and possesions accumulated illegally. Now, fellow africans try to make a living (remember their hospitality during apartheid) and we are quick to defend our jobs and wealth. There sits the caucasian under on his stoep, laughing at the barbarians! - Mankhane
     
      Lazy locals
    13/05/2008 12:14
    I think the locals rob and pillage the foreigners becasue they are too lazy and useless to get a job. So they attack the foreigners and steal their stuff, then they sit in the sun again and look for someone else to blame. - Miseri
     
      i say good bliksem them chase them back home
    13/05/2008 12:15
    this is not zimbabwe, zimbabweans are not welcome in this country nor mozambicos nor nigerians. they must go home by force if must be. - terence
     
      Nails
    13/05/2008 12:15
    Lets just hit the nail on the head xenophobia = raciasim and thats it. Oh of cause we can't say that cause that would mean we just bread a new batch and us blacks can't be rasist. - Manana
     
      Double standards, as usual ...
    13/05/2008 12:17
    It's amazing that when black people discriminate against black people from from foreign countries, so many black South Africans say they are "ashamed" and that it's "about time" that the ANC does something about crime. They refer to such attacks as "Xenophobia". But when white South Africans are attacked, in the same prejudiced manner (ie. with the intention of chasing them out of "the black South African man's country"), it is simply called "crime" and is excused because of "poverty". Amazing - Puhleez
     
      Difficult Issue
    13/05/2008 12:17
    This issue is two fold...I welcome the foreigners that come to this country legally, and try to better themselves and our country. I work with people from Nigeria, DRC, etc, and they are good people, they contribute to the economy etc. But I have no sympathy for someone that jumps the border illegally, then resorts to crime to make a living...These people must go back!!! And Mp3 has a point, crime has increased a lot since the zim crisis. We need to clear our country of all the trash! - Truth
     
      Not again you Idiots!!
    13/05/2008 12:18
    Then the Gov tightens its grip on Illigal Immigrants & assylum seekers & the UR's will start barking about how bad SA is treating its fellow African citizens in the time of need,How self centred & inhumane is SA to send people back to their death!This letter is just another platform for this racist preachers to start spewing forth a flurry of manure about the Gov.They're worst than those Gauteng Xenophobic #@sholes! - Les-Maada
     
      A brutal, savage, destructive and devious people
    13/05/2008 12:18
    This is certainly barbaric but par for the course in Africa. I do not understand the shock and horror that are suddenly being expressed. We see it everyday with the senseless and brutal violence against farmers and whites without the same emmotional reaction. And anyway it is always someone or something else to blame. - George A
     
      Where are the aid camps for the refugees?
    13/05/2008 12:18
    I'm not surprised that this is happening. But the Minister of Home Affairs told us that the communities must take them in... How can they when there is barely enough to go round for locals? Its a massive human rights violation on every level and we should be ashamed. So yes Mahlomola - we blame the government for mismanaging the Zim crisis and not helping the refugees. They always seem to wake up too late despite plenty warning. Bunch of greedy fools! - May
     
      Same thing over and over
    13/05/2008 12:19
    So tell me - did nobody see the signs of this happening? Or were government again just ignoring the issue like with Eskom? What were they expecting? South Africans just to hand over their lives to these people who cant change their own countries. South Africans gave up alot to change this country. We DESERVE this country - not illegals from anywhere else!! But DUH - borders are open for anyone just to walk in and take our local people's jobs, do crime and clogg up judicial system, keep policebusy - BeeBop
     
      The mockery of law & order in SA
    13/05/2008 12:19
    We have laws that determine who may come and live in this land. If you abide by that law you are entitled to the protection of the police/government. If you are here illegally you should be arrested and detained by the very same police and repatriated to where you belong. If you commit crime while in this land as a "legal" vistor you should be punished to the full extent of the law and then repatriated. This unfortunately relies on the SAP and justice systems in SA. - Jim
     
      Barbaric maybe, but....
    13/05/2008 12:19
    Why don't we start with proper border control? Why not take it further and have a government that becomes committed to protecting it's citizens? - Barry
     
      Horrified
    13/05/2008 12:19
    I am shocked at some of the comments on this column. Surely we are all (well 90% of us) immigrants if you go back far enough. If a crime is committed, then it needs to be dealt with - by the LAW!!! Not mob justice. And we call ourselves civilised - disgusting!!!!! - Alan
     
      This is not xenophobia
    13/05/2008 12:19
    This is a direct result of Britain not adhering to the Lancestar agreement, hence you see Zimbabweans flooding this country. The West countries are the source of scourage taking place in the African continent. Farmers employs these foreigners as cheap labour but comes payday they call the police to arrest them. Hence these foreigners attacks them in their farms with hot irons. - Maleshatane
     
      The ANC is to blame!
    13/05/2008 12:24
    All this started with the ANC allowing the ridiculous situation in Zim to go as far as it did. Without South-Africa's support this situation would never have gotten so out of hand. It's not as much government's failure to deliver that grieves me but their failure to acknowledge the problem while enriching themselves. BTW to Mahlomola how on earth do you manage to blame this on apartheid? Dude wake up man! Yes there's still a lot of scorching left from apartheid but this is all the ANC's fault. - Mic
     
      DEATH
    13/05/2008 12:25
    No one has a right to take a life of another human being, whether he is foreign or not. At the end of the day we all going to die, whether we hate them or not, we all going to die. I LOVE LIFE, LOVE ME OR HATE ME, LOVE THE ILLEGALS OR HATE THEM, LIVE HEALTHY OR NOT WE ALL GOING TO DIE! - Mthimbane
     
      By products
    13/05/2008 12:27
    Prior to 1994 one of the worst byproducts of the "struggle" was violent mob behaviour, but then it had an enemy so was "justified" now it just continues unabated and without any plan from Government to curb it. Just wait and see what happens once the "young" generation come into power. Racisim is alive in SA and its not a black white issue! - Shaun
     
      points
    13/05/2008 12:29
    do what the aussies do, implement a point system. if you want to come to my country, you better have a skil that is needed here. if not, stay away. illegal immigrants should get the boot!!!!! its been a long time brewing silently!!!!! and the farmers employing them in the north is not helping. - piet
     
      We need to balance refugees with illegals.
    13/05/2008 12:29
    There are people who deserve to be here i.e. education, asylum, vacation and business. The illegal's need to understand that they are breaking the law. Whilst we all understand the economic situation up north, there's no support for criminal acts from locals and or economic refugees. I have yet to understand why Nigerians are here, they are pimps, drug lords and hardened criminals, very few of them are innocent. I feel for Zimbos, although docile and somehow masochists. - Libembe
     
      stupid africans 2
    13/05/2008 12:30
    Agreed;- we need more poor Foreigners selling drugs to our kids and making a simple living and forcing our kids to crime as the poor foreigners need our jobs... just love this country. Always there to help and not provide solutions to their problems in their countries. - European soon to be australian :-)
     
      'Barbaric and unbecoming'
    13/05/2008 12:31
    85% of foreigners (black,white, asia,indian) in this country are criminals, go to hatfield,sunnyside,arcadia,fordsburg,hillborw,berea JHB, Berea PTA ect 95% pimps, drug dealers, fraudsters, cash in transit,child traffickers,counterfeit, arms trade, illegal diamond trade, syndicates, abalone trade, are nigerians,tanzanians,angolas,Congolese,chinese,italians, russians, most south africans are small time thieves except for the once in GOV - morena
     
      The nature of a Black African
    13/05/2008 12:32
    Where black people are there you will find filth, over crowding, violence, cruelty, disorder, chaos and anarchy. I wish all the Whites and Indians would immigrate and leave these people who failed to evolusionise to slowly rot in their own cess pool. They would still be living in mud huts and herding goats to this day if the white man did not show them better... The truth is the truth. - Say-it-like-it-is
     
      what happened to ubuntu
    13/05/2008 12:33
    everyday we hear news reports on zimbabwe where there's bloodshed, poverty and hard times ahead. mugabe is probably rubbing his hands in glee at the state of "his country's traitors" who left zim thinking they could find peace but they were welcomed with even harder times ahead. I feel we don't deserve to host the world cup it should be taken away from us as we are most vile... i'm disgusted with thos country to the core. - Pam
     
      NO FINGER PRINTS NO EVIDENCE
    13/05/2008 12:33
    Mob Justice is the only answer available for the communities...Illegal immigrant's finger prints are not on the system,therefore the police cannot arrest them for all the crimes they commit..locals know that these people are not working but they drive the most expensive cars in the townships...Locals know the criminals whereas the police needs evidence to arrest these criminals...NO FINGER PRINTS NO EVIDENCE...Mob justice becomes the only answer to this communities... - Kolobe
     
      Foreigners
    13/05/2008 12:34
    I used to be a reservist in the SAP and once stopped a carload of Nigerians at a road block. The car had no license, was not roadworthy, the driver had no license, their "refugee" papers were suspect and they had suspected stolen property in the boot, but I had to endure spitting and screaming abuse telling me to f-off out of Africa and Africa was no place for "whites". Ive been to Nigeria where the police would have beat them to death. Send em all back - most are not hard working but criminals - Ants
     
      stupid africans - continued
    13/05/2008 12:35
    Agreed;- we need more poor Foreigners selling drugs to our kids and making a simple living that way and forcing our kids to crime as the poor foreigners need our jobs... Our government is always there to help which is good but do they supply solutions to the problems? - European Femkhane
     
      I couldn't care
    13/05/2008 12:36
    For these illegal immigrants. They stay in the townships where people have to put up with their continual criminal activities. Most crime in the townships are not reported because of a useless police force. So I don't blame these guys beating the crap out of them. We have more of the luxuries than some of these guys in the townships and these assholes take it for themselves. Mbeki created this with his quiet diplomacy not us...so for you guys doing your mob justice...good on you! - Win
     
      Criminals
    13/05/2008 12:37
    These people are murderes and criminals - they need to be put to justice, plan and simple. Xenophobic is a sugar coated word for racism. - wb
     
      WTF
    13/05/2008 12:38
    What about our own people that are getting murdered? I see more comment and disgust when foreigners are killed. WHAT ABOUT OUR PEOPLE. ALL OUR PEOPLE.??? - Peter Ferreira
     
      Typical of Africa
    13/05/2008 12:38
    I'm a British businessman, who USED to hold business interests in RSA. I absolutely love the way that in Africa it is always somebody elses fault. Yup - you're right; the Zimbabwe debacle is all our fault! It's not because Mugabe, Mbeki, & every other African Bigman are purely out to line their own pockets, rather that deliver improved services to the people. The fact that the word Apartheid is still mentioned is pathetic; it ended over a decade ago. RSA will burn; Africans can't rule themselves. - ScarlettPimpernell
     
      other side of the story!!!
    13/05/2008 12:40
    Great comment and yes you are 100% correct and it is bacause goverment know they lost millions of votes from locals for their empty promises so now they give these immigrants houses and id's in return of voting for them next year. ha ha ha!! - nastassia
     
      Kolobe et al...studying in exile my foot
    13/05/2008 12:43
    What a heap of rubbish for you to suggest that south africans in exile studied while foreign immigrants resort to crime in SA. If you (kolobe et al)and the broader SA community loved to study so hard in exile, why do we have 50% dropout rates at your tertiary institutions? To be frank, and hate me for this,most of your people are used to being spoon-fed by government and in the process become lazy to either work or study.Do you blame all this on foreigners??? Wake-up to the sun guys... - Spider Spike
     
      Some Accountability needed
    13/05/2008 12:44
    Lawlessness, xenophobia, corruption, inefficient government departments,etc,etc. To all the pro ANC Government supporters who support them for whatever reason.. you argue because anti ANC ers condemn them for lack of action... the question thus has to be... if the ANC government is not responsible for all the above.. who is accountable? Refugees should go back, because after all, there is no crisis in Zim, so why add to ours!!!?? - Sean
     
      Chase them away
    13/05/2008 12:46
    The police know where the foreigners hang out and push their crimes but no action. If the SAPS fails the people, then the people will take up arms to defend their territory. Which African country you know of has more foreigners per square metre than locals?? As much as we like to accomodate the few good ones, the crooked ones spoil it for others. I wanna go and open up a cellphone shop in Lagos or Harare. I don't think so... Go home - Fresh
     
      @Maleshatane - hahahahahaha
    13/05/2008 12:47
    Wow, Britain is even to blame for this, amazing. Are they also to blame for your small brain capacity? Or did America do that. SHut up, you fool. And to Mankahne, there was nothing illegal about colonialism, there were no laws in Africa when settlers arrived here. You are correct though, there does sit the caucasian laughing at the barbarians, only now his heart is sad. So sad. - ramone
     
      Stats
    13/05/2008 12:47
    Please show the stats that says that the only people that commit crime in this country are the foreigners? - Tess
     
      "we must put the blame on foreign affairs"
    13/05/2008 12:47
    As much as i don't condone violence and brutality that has taken place, however, Mr Thabo Mbeki through his foreign affairs department has failed us, we have so many Zimbabweans because he has failed to take strong action against Mugabe, he has relaxed the laws on foreign affairs, forigners buy and even sell our ID's, they ilegally marry our sisters and mothers, they operate Hilbrow in Jozi and Point in Durban as their drug heaven, they even sell our sisters for sex, they are involved in drugs - Bonjo
     
      @ Les-Maada - gaan le plat op drie gras.
    13/05/2008 12:47
    Gosh man, you surely hate us (GP's), in case you forgot, GP has the economic size of Nigeria, we feed the rest of SA hence not only foreigners come here, but people from other provinces come here for a better life. Again, not only are foreigners criminals, people from other provinces come to GP to commit crime. Now got to bed and lie down. - Libembe
     
      @Maleshatane
    13/05/2008 12:48
    Crazy as uncle bob hey? It must be the aliens from Mars that caused this, no, lets not look at the facts and rather clutch at straws from some distant theory based on senility/stupidity. - M
     
      Blacks should wake up...
    13/05/2008 12:50
    and work hard instead of blaming foreigners. I'm a black foreigner with a South African girlfriend. Before I met her she was a university dropout, now she is back on her feet and on the way to earning a degree. Why? Because I thought her work ethics, and pay her tuition in varsity. Everytime, I visit the township her cousins are just lounging at home instead of going to work...now who is to blame, reall?? - Wiri
     
      Great Comment
    13/05/2008 12:51
    Say-it-like-it-is, GREAT comment! Well said. And the best part - the absolute TRUTH! I dare anyone to prove that statement wrong! Give me the facts! - Bruce
     
      well VG
    13/05/2008 12:52
    i haven't seen any foreigner car guard in sunnyside infact not only in pretoria where ever i go most i drug dealers and pimps i think you meant to say thats the hard work they do - morena
     
      Pathetic
    13/05/2008 12:52
    Murder is becomming so popular and just another everyday thing in this country, in fact it happens so often it is becomming socialy acceptable and being excused for things like apartheid, racism, Xenophobia and all kinds of patheitic reasons. Murder is murder and people need to be hanged for such crimes! - wb
     
      Say-it-like-it-is!!!!!
    13/05/2008 12:53
    Wow, there has to be one...Amongst all the postings on here, one has to stand out everyday as the most idiotic comment.Somedays(most) its Kolobe, but today its u.hide your name but u cant hide ur stupidity..AND WHAT THE HELL IS evolusionise??????? - nWo
     
      When in Rome..
    13/05/2008 12:54
    ..do as the Romans do. When in Africa do as the Africans do. It seems to be a way of life...the norm. Accept or reject simple. - Denzil
     
      Horrified Alan
    13/05/2008 12:54
    If a crime is committed, then it needs to be dealt with - by the LAW!!! ??? LAW What LAW , do you think if LAWs where in order we would have the people here in the first place ? Walk into a door cos you need to catch a wakeup !! - bongani
     
      The credibility gap.
    13/05/2008 12:55
    What I find enlightening is the vast gap between the ordinary South African and their leaders and self proclaimed intellectuals who wax lyrical about "Mother Africa" and Mbeki's "I am an African". It appears as if the normal citizen is rather more concerned about their lives as South Africans than they are interested in their leaders more lofty ideals. No wonder people are feeling divorced from the political elite. - DavidD
     
      Smaak my...
    13/05/2008 12:57
    That our people are getting sick and tired of being blamed on account of the foreigners?! - Martin