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Why is it so Difficult to grasp
13/05/2008 14:14
SA like many African countries was run by a handful of White folk. Resources, infrastructure etc was perfect for a minority if the majority got Zip. When the white folks left - the same infrastructure, resources etc suddenly had to look after masses of people. What happens next is whats happening in SA. Why is that so difficult to understand - its just logical that SA will fall aprt and a reduction in some standards will be an improvement to others. Tis really quite simple. Let it be. - Stryker |
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Policies
13/05/2008 14:18
Pray please tell us what is the ANC policies under Zuma? He has not yet enlightened us but instead wants to dance and sing war songs and engage in "debate" with everyone and sundry. Zuma will be what every Cosatu and the highest bidder (or financial backer) want him to be. - JTA |
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Vavi is an idiot....
13/05/2008 14:21
You know People are attracted to noise..just sing Mshini wam then people will vote for you to be their president..people like the noise more than the message...Can anyone really vote for Vavi??sometimes I agree with Hiltler..there must be no majority decisions.but only responsible people should make decisions..Majority are vulnarable to the foolish rhetoric in this case..Vavi... - Kolobe |
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Finally
13/05/2008 14:25
Finally someone with brains, good analysis and beautiful written article.only wish cosatu and SACP can see it that way
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@stryker
13/05/2008 14:28
That's the most rubbish I've ever read! - There's PLENTY of tax money available to keep roads/electricity/schools/etc from falling apart.
The problem is: Our government would rather spend MY and YOUR tax money on luxuries, submarines and all sorts of other stuff that we don't really need! Whenever this is questioned, the race card is played, and then nothing gets done anyway. - Juan |
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Why would
13/05/2008 14:29
Cosatu and the SACP leave the soft cushions and security provided by the ANC to go it alone? Nzimande, Cronin, Vavi, et al are not stupid. - jb |
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The purpose of the opposition party..
13/05/2008 14:31
is to keep the ruling party in order and try and show them where they're failing. They cannot implement their own policies and keep to their manifestos whilst they're opposition - only when they come into power. This was the case even in the old apartheid government (remember the CP and PFP and even as far back as the SAPs and Nats). But once the opposition questions the ANC, it is immediately labled 'racism' and 'apartheid'. Get over it - learn to listen to criticism. - j.o |
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Let it be
13/05/2008 14:32
There are millions of people that have lost their jobs because of Cosatu. Teachers are losing a big chunk of their salaries because of an unprotected strike. Did not Sadtu know that it is not protected? The only thing I see Sadtu members gained is giving their salary away. Many firms have relocated or left the country because of Cosatu - also called the voice of the workers. You are standing to more jobs South Africans. - crest |
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SACP Will Die
13/05/2008 14:33
If the Alliance would break, then SACP will be finished within 2 years they don't have the capacity 2 survive as for Cosatu they will be more stronger and indeed they will provide an alternative to the ANC, but the SACP simply can't survive without the ANC, they need the ANC badly and that's there reason they felt they were being marginalized by a Mbeki led ANC, so a Zuma led ANC might actually prolong their existence. - Mxolisi Selby Shabangu |
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Agree 100% about another political party
13/05/2008 14:34
I am not sure that the tripartite alliance will split though. They have time & again before the elections committed their support to the ANC. SA needs a party to compete with the ruling party and make them accountable. The ANC is loosing all credibility at the moment, look at the scenes in Sun City. Politics have become a career not to serve people to enrich oneself. Funnybones form your own party!!! - Pasta |
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Funnybones
13/05/2008 14:37
"Cosatu and the SACP...thus have never really focused on their own areas of expertise." And that would be what?? - jannie |
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A new dispensation
13/05/2008 14:39
I believe it is time for the tri-partite alliance to disolve itself. Let COSATU remain a union movement and let the SACP stand on its own. Through this we will see where the real support of the people lies. Let the capitalist fatcats of the ANC explain to their support base why they need their votes. If they are not capitalists why are so many ensuring they become mega rich at the expense of the nation as a whole. - Jim |
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And so say all of us
13/05/2008 14:49
We are all hoping for splits in the tri-partheid alliance but that will result in a Western style democracy and we all know that the leaders of the alliance will prostitute the few principles they have to keep their 66% and thus their African style one party democracy. - George A |
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Another cracker!
13/05/2008 14:50
Thanks Funnybones. "The DA and ID failed dismally"? Under Helen Zille or when they were represented under the DP banner? It seems things are working in the Western Cape. Also, making one "hell of a hullabaloo" isn't that what you want from an opposition party or would you prefer them to be silenced? Have you ever watched the Brit Tories create one hell of a hullabaloo when opposing the Labour party? Welcome to this thing we call political opposition. Great article all the same. - John Camp |
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why the alliance?
13/05/2008 14:52
It is important that we understand in first place why the alliance was established before we can attempt even to suggest its separation. The tripartite partners have a lot in common than what divide them. They share an envisaged type of a society we are trying to established, a society which is deomcratic, non-sexist, non-racial, united and prosperous. These principles are the basis for the formulation of the alliance. The critical question is whether have we achieved that type of a society? - KETSO |
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Let tripatite split to three.
13/05/2008 14:53
Meaning ANC,SACP and COSATU all must be independent yes i can agree with two political parties or organisation but not the one of workers,Workers're also ANC and SACP.COSATU is ambrella of the workers unions cannot and must not contest election otherwise the meaning of union in workplace will be valueless. - Bethuel |
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i have an idea
13/05/2008 14:53
with so many cultures in this country people from different communities will never be happy when current governments favours a certain race. why now divide south africa into different regions, give natal to the zulus and indians, give the western cape to the whites and colourds,give the limpopo towhomever etc etc and let each state rule itself like in the united states.this will solve all our problems i promise. and offcourse we can have a DMZ Demilitarized zone where all sorts can live togeather - terence |
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Great Article
13/05/2008 15:01
I have often thought that this is the only way forward. With some competition, whomever is in power would actually have to perform otherwise they would not be re-elected. It would be great for the company. - Rian |
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why the alliance? continues!
13/05/2008 15:03
The answer to question I asked earlier on is NO! Our struggle has two phases, the 1st is the National Democratic Revolution (the one we are still pursuing) and the 2nd is the Class Struggle (which will be pursue by the pro left in the Alliance). The purpose of the Alliance was and remains the attainment of the NDR. SO FAR WE HAVE ONLY ATTAIN SOME ELEMENTS OF POLITICAL POWER NOT THE COMPLETE POLITICAL POWER. There are still some challenge which needs all of us to overcome! - Ketso |
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terence
13/05/2008 15:05
Since you are so clever allocating land according to tribe...who will take Gauteng then.... - Kolobe |
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Great idea Terence....
13/05/2008 15:08
Except yoy forget there was a system exactly like that not too long ago and it was called,... "Apartheid"
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The holy alliance
13/05/2008 15:09
The alliance is here to stay forever whether Piet or Koos like it or not. Its time for the likes of Blade, Vavi, Mbalula and the president in waiting to take over the running of this country. Let your party (DA) be divided into a White, Indian, Coloured and a Coconut vote. Anyway that is the main point of your article which I find to be useless. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Point is
13/05/2008 15:12
The ANC will lose more than 10% of its majority, but the DA is unlikely to see a gain other than in Western Cape and Northern Cape though most people that voted for the ANC usually have strong dislike for the DA. - LvH |
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MSS
13/05/2008 15:14
I agree that SACP would die within 2 months. They would make the NNP seem like they actually exist.
Come next year, I cannot wait for ANC cadres to start blaming COSATU and SACP for losing out on the list for lucrative posts in parliament. - L |
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would never happen
13/05/2008 15:15
The 3 groups will never split, there are like parasites and feed of each other, cant see any of them being able to stand alone, leave alone forming a viable opposition which is something we all need right now.terence....ur thinking amazes me, but i am sure u r only joking...cause no one can be serious about something so idiotic - nWo |
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Terence
13/05/2008 15:16
Are you being serious? The states in the USA are not based on race. BTW, how is this different to apartheid policies which have been discredited and are so reviled that no one will admit to supporting apartheid? Reminds me of Hitler's plan. - L van Heerden |
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sacp and cosatu independent?
13/05/2008 15:17
sacp and cosatu gp independent,haa,your playing man,who is going to vote the stup[id leader of this two organisation{sacp&cosatu,now there on they way to rule this country through zuma,what they going to do is just to destroy this country. - vts |
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"tripartite alliance"
13/05/2008 15:21
Sir, please allow me to differ with you, Cosatu is a labour movement and the members you see in Cosatu are members of the ANC or voting people out there who voted for the ANC irrespective of their membership with Cosatu. you must know that if you are working for the government, you either join a white labour movement or Cosatu affiliated labour movement and therefore it does not mean that people believe in the policies of Cosatu either that to have their rights protected at the work place. - Bonjo |
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Kolobe - agrees with Hilter sometimes
13/05/2008 15:24
"there must be no majority decisions.but only responsible people should make decisions" Kolobe, this is what the apartheid government was doing, they only wanted the intelligent responsible people to vote and not the poor uneducated majority. - helen |
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Good Government
13/05/2008 15:30
Interesting idea. Seems most people miss the point of democracy. Any state dominated by one party will always fail.No matter what race, colour religion they are elected by and made up of. All people want is good government and a fair chance. This can't happen when one party can steam-role the decision making process by having a 75% majority. People need an alternative to any decision be it a decision made by their party or any other party. Choices make democracy work! - Johnnoh |
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The DA and ID
13/05/2008 15:33
"The DA and ID failed dismally", but the Western Cape is running very well. - dhv |
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Alliance
13/05/2008 15:33
One thing that people need to understand is that most members of Cosatu are also members of the ANC. So how do you separate the two? - jojo |
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Helen
13/05/2008 15:35
But, obviously they overestimated their own intelligence. - L |
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Terence
13/05/2008 15:40
Terrence, nice idea but the ANC are desperately trying to take over the Western Cape, they dont appreicate competition and greedily want to control all the provinces. Kolobe, you can have Gauteng ;) - suzie |
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@Helen
13/05/2008 15:42
Its people like yourself who will make it impossible for the likes of DA to attract votes from the majority. Isn't ironic that the very same people who want us (average joe) to vote for the DA call us all sorts of names (e.g. uneducated masses, gullible, ill-equiped etc) Yah neh!! - jojo |
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Lvh i am dead serious
13/05/2008 15:42
what i meant about the states is over here each province should be governed by a govender with its own laws so for example if the western cape wanted to implement the deat penalty there then no one should be able to stand in their way. I believe we can be a peace loving nation if we all have our own land and leaders. - terence |
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DA & ID
13/05/2008 15:43
Interesting article and getting to the core. The ANC were probably the smallest of the Tripartite Alliance, yet they managed to end up controlling it - the ANC had done a very good job internationally. So, now that JZ has been elected to power as the representative of the poor (JZ excluded, of course) what is to happen. There has to be a slit in the ANC and not along Alliance lines - it has to happen. 40% of the ANC are Mbekists - they are not going to put up with this. - Big Mart |
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@Kolobe
13/05/2008 15:44
Mugabe and Mbeki began with the same mentality, and look at them now two of the most idiots in the world.So refrain from calling people who differ with your thinking idiots and accept we live in a democratic country, your kind potrays a behaviour of questionable character, failing to see facts simply because a certain kind tells them, if that happens not to be you favourite.You have responded wanting to imitate your Idol god Mbeki intellect and today and now its of no use I say he lost respect. - Martin Radebe |
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Fear
13/05/2008 15:46
I sense a little bit of fear trickling into the ANC ranks. They cannot accept that the Western Cape is being run well because they are filled with racist propaganda against white people. Europe may have benefitted from resources plundered in Africa but they still very peaceful, productive countries - unlike Africa who is filled with greed, corruption, war, murder and rape - oh but I forget, it's the British's fault, or was that apartheid, or was it the Chinese in 1400AD, or was it the dinasours?? - Snoring |
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To Calvin Mkhize and Ketso
13/05/2008 15:47
Calvin, I didn't see anything about dividing the parties by race suggested in the article. If anything, it's the opposite, since the author points out that part of the problem with the DA and ID is the perception, if not the reality, that they're divided along racial lines. The article had something to say, which you've failed to do. To Ketso, please define complete political power (and please don't shout, it's rude). - CTheB |
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Insufficient knowledge
13/05/2008 15:48
Ketso is closer to the truth. The assumption is they must split, we are a democracy. We are not a democracy and are being phased into a one party state and that is the purpose of the tripartite allegiance. The rest is just distraction. - Sentinel |
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Agree, but lets analise, then solution
13/05/2008 15:49
1st, Alliance will not breake up. Why, it is a brand followed by many, mainly black. They are in a comfort zone & bulldozing their way over any opposition because of the support they have. 2nd, By splitting the alliance, they will all loose support. Therefore it does not make sense. Casatu is a labour union, not political party and will still indoctrinate constituants. Solution, federation of states like USA. Why ANC will not allow this? Because they WILL loose the income from taxes, etc. and... - Matrix |
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Alliance
13/05/2008 15:49
Why have 'the DA and ID failed dismally when focusing on making hell of a hullabaloo of whatever goes wrong at the Luthuli house', but COSATU is significant because they 'have differed with the ANC on issues such as privatisation, HIV/Aids, Unemployment and poverty'. That is hypocritical and inherently racist. And make up your mind Kolobe, do you want the intelligent, responsible ppl to make decisions, or the current governement? - ramone |
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Alternative party
13/05/2008 15:55
If we can take some good brains from ANC, DA & other small parties maybe things can work better. Although I don't hate DA but I can't accept & trust it as an alternative party for me now unless some drastic transformation happens. We want the party that can represent rich & poor irrespective of race. - Revolver |
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Alliance/ Opp. Alliance
13/05/2008 16:01
In all honesty, I dont think there is ANY place left in modern SA for Communists or the SACP. Who actually believes that communism can fix ANY problems? Or is it a buddy-buddy with China thing? But speaking of Alliances, what ever happened between Zille and De Lille (Except the mayco/exco bs), preventing them from forming their own alliance? I dig both those ladies. - Sinudeity |
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DHV
13/05/2008 16:01
If the Western Cape is running well, why fights over housing, crime and spy scandals?
If you are so easy to please, then lord have mercy :) - L van Heerden |
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Jojo
13/05/2008 16:02
I have never voted DA, I have alsways voted IFP. I was just stating that apartheid government was trying to do the same thing as Hitler, same beliefs etc ;) - helen |
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Johnnoh
13/05/2008 16:04
every political party wants 100% whether it is good for democracy or not. In fact, as long as their success is achieved through democratic means, it is democratic. It might not serve the interest of the people well, but people deserve what they want. You cannot force people to vote for parties that do not appeal to them. No party goes around asking people not to vote for them, even in a lunatic institution. - Len van Heerden |
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terence - Federation
13/05/2008 16:05
Yeah, like the US. Where each state has its own legislature etc. Eg, death penalty in Texas, but not New York. Thats a noble idea, but the BIG problem:
Our constitution is the most progressive constitution in the world. The ONLY problem is, we are not 1st world enough for it. Unfortunately, leniences have to be made. - Sinudeity |
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Matrix
13/05/2008 16:09
I am trying to follow your logic, but have to say it is a struggle. What brand are blacks following that is not norm in other democracies? How will splitting the alliance result in support being lost? It could mean an overrall gain, no one knows yet. Have you ever heard of IRA? - L van Heerden |
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Revolver - 100% dude
13/05/2008 16:10
Take the best brains, from each party, and let them run the country. Manto's sacked deputy, Trevor etc. If ONLY everyone was selfish enough to let something like this transpire. Unfortunately, seats are dished out, based on how active the persons were during apartheid. - Sinudeity |
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Snoring
13/05/2008 16:10
"They cannot accept that the Western Cape is being run well because they are filled with racist propaganda against white people"
I am sure Mr Rasool and the ANC would appreciate the vote of confidence since it is the ANC that runs the Western Cape. Keep snoring :) - LvH |
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3 Musketeers
13/05/2008 16:11
or the 3 stooges? They cannot survive alone that is why they stick tohether like boerewors to braaigrill or sh!t to a blanket. Cosatu stopped the Chinese Arms well done - otherwise they cause price increases through excessive pay demands and production loss by striking. This exacerbates uncompetitiveness reducing exports and therefore jobs. Defeats their own object. SACP ha! Where has that ever worked? ANC is riddled with idiots, coruption and liars. Time for opposition - any opposition - Filemon |
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To Snoring please snooze as well
13/05/2008 16:13
You are in diffence, why? you know your hollier that thou Europians are murderes. They in their hands have blood of many African, they took Africa by force and tricks.They steal our diamons and gold, hulle boer in Africa with the land they took by force and you say they are peaceful?? Please think again, bloody rapists. - Mahlomola Moiloa |
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L van Heerden - Where are you from?
13/05/2008 16:15
You are REALLY negative towards ANYTHING non-ANC. I'm assuming you are NOT from WCape. And the only negative comments you have to spew, is the same ANC propaganda, we hear over and over. Spy scandal (Spying on corrupt government officals, I'm fine with that. In fact, spy on ALL politicians). Housing problem? Thats an SA issue, and not exclusively a Cape thing. Not everyone can be rich I'm afraid. But please, dont comment on topics you have no 1st hand experience of. - Sinudeity |
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@ L van Heerden
13/05/2008 16:19
"If the Western Cape is running well, why fights over housing, crime and spy scandals.." Because the ANC want to sabotage the DA's good work because if the DA looks good, the people might not vote ANC...1 + 1 = ? - jannie |
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I would also like to add...
13/05/2008 16:19
The DA and ID failed dismally - explain to us then why the western cape is running well?? Why are there sooooo many moving to the western cape? I don't care about their internal polics, L van Heerden, but our way of living here is a hell of a lot more pleasant than else where!!! - ims |
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Is there anything to discuss on this?
13/05/2008 16:26
This is a pipe dream funnybones. It would have happened if the Mbeki camp had won in Polokwane. SACP had already registered with the IEC, but at this stage where their leaders(SACP & COSATU) are in the ANC NEC, why would they just throw away the best thing that has ever happened to them. As things are, SACP & COSATU are in the best possible position to have their policies influencing the government policies. The opposition must look at themselves why they are not attractive to people. - Z |
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to L van Heerden
13/05/2008 16:28
The Western Cape and, more specifically Cape Town, are doing very well, actually, or so it seems. Just because there are some problems doesn't mean that things aren't generally going well. Your argument (or lack thereof, actually) is the equivalent of saying, "The door is buckled and it's heavy on fuel, so this car isn't running well." If you only define 'running well' as an equivalent to 'no problems whatsoever', which your statement indicates, then nowhere is or will ever be running well. - CTheB |
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@Len
13/05/2008 16:30
Len, it's been a while - I trust you are well. Regarding your comment 'If the Western Cape is running well, why fights over housing, crime and spy scandals?'. Fights over housing, crime and scandals of all flavours are rife nation wide. They're just MUCH lower in the Western Cape - you should come and join us down here, the sunshine and seafood is great. - Ted Haller |
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Think about SA..
13/05/2008 16:31
and observe that the majority of political parties that gathered around the table at CODESA, had fulfilled their roles. We have moved on for 14 years and it is now time for a new deal. All of us who have crossed the Rubicon, can welcome all those who are still stuck with the struggle and racism in the real NEW SOUTH AFRICA. The call for a new political alignment is very apt, as THERE IS STILL TIME BROTHER.... - Matambo |
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The article by funnybones
13/05/2008 16:31
Is wishful thinking but a good idea. I would just like to point out that all countries which went the route of Huma rights and socilism have failed, America included. China and the East have it right and boy are they looking good right now in terms of being next African colonialists. Sorry I won't be around to see it happen! No super power does things for the good of the third world! It's in their own interest and COSATU can't see it. - GailC |
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Sinudeity
13/05/2008 16:34
Yup i dig both those chicks aswell. LvH what do you know about Cape Town to comment or does Len Anderson live there? Cape Town/Western Cape runs a far better oiled machine than we do up here in Gauteng. read all the articles about busines moving down to coastal areas to ESCAPE crime. Facts my friend! - John Camp |
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Chinese Capitalism
13/05/2008 16:36
COSATU has opened the doors to Chinese imports by demanding living wages for their people which resulted in the complete breakdown of the clothing industry and thousands of unemployed who could only afford Chinese goods made by people who have no unions. If you think oppression under the West was bad you will meet your match in the East. They have numbers,smarts and need land more than any other nations do! And they are ruthless. - GailC |
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@Juan
13/05/2008 16:36
I did answer you mate, but it would seem News 24 found my response way too mild to bother with. I must reiterate that I think deep down you know I`m right. Even with twice the tax income, looking after 50m instead of 4m is allways going to be a tall order no matter how good your government is. Tis not a race thing - its a numbers thing - thats all I`m saying. - Stryker |
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@LVH
13/05/2008 16:42
Len, you are so obsessed with inteligence! You are displaying signs of an inferiority complex. Obviously, you have some limitations in that department. - Dr DoLittle |
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SPOT ON!
13/05/2008 16:44
You could not have said it better and let us hope the drift between them all (ANC factions) just grow and grow and that their will ultimately be a regrouping of the political arena and that people will start voting with IQ's instead of loyalty to a corrupt party. - Kobus Hattingh |
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GailC
13/05/2008 16:47
Nail on the head. Give it a few years and I think the whole world will discover what Chinese colonialism is all about. We think that their markets are opening up to us for exports. You can get it cheaper, quicker and with less hassle from the east. No unions makemlife really easy, and of course no room for political opposition. How many political prisoners in China? Anyone?? - johnnoh |
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The better alternative
13/05/2008 16:50
I do not think that splitting this alliance would achieve much. What I do believe is that the ANC should split as there are clearly 2 camps within the ANC. I believe that if the ANC split you will have a stronger opposition as people will actually have to think who to vote for and not just vote for the ANC because of the struggle as I believe this loyalty to 1 party's past will be SA's downfall... NB COSATU should not be allied to the goverment as I believe unions should never be connected to gov - View from outside |
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ANC alliance
13/05/2008 16:55
The Alliance started as a unified front against the apartheid regime.It worked perfectly at the time.Recently this same alliance exists only for the benefit of leaders who want cushy jobs,because the three has different policies and agendas.Cosatu must be the conscience of the ruling ANC,because the are dragging us down into corruption,chaos and crime.The ANC closed the following, Anti-corruption unit,Child protection unit;Organised crime unit;Specialised gang unit,and now the DSO (scorpions). - GBOB |
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Somewhat surprised
13/05/2008 16:58
Let me first say that I in no way support apartheid or racism. That being said, I find it very surprising that so many people act as if only white people ever stole land. Tribes used to attack each other for land. The white people who landed here ended up taking it too far by legislating it. - CTheB |
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Kolobe - Agree 100% with you
13/05/2008 17:00
There simply are not enough brains in the Cosatu "leadership" to even have a simple brainstorm. Funnybones is also forgetting that trade union movements have historically always bungled things when they tried to move onto the stage as political players. We have also already seen more than enough gaffs from Vavi to indicate that he would be even worse than TM - mikehunt |
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@ Sinudeity
13/05/2008 17:05
I agree there is no place left for communism, it does not work. I don't even think the Chinese believe in Communism anymore. They are aggressively pursueing a capitalist reform. Russia, China, Cuba. Communism is great if you want everyone to be equally poor. Socialism can work if the Scandinavian countries are anything to go by. - Rian |
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Well done Funnybones
13/05/2008 17:07
The recent former president of the ANC and SA's president has previously publicly fell short of telling COSATU and SACP to mind their own businesses. Mr Nzimande was called arrogant by him. Mr Trvor Manuel has on many occasions challneged COSATU and SACP to do what they have to do and because the ANC was doing what it has to do. All these were threats. I concur that COSATU can do well outside the alliance. The SACP has good leaders but may have to close shop if they bow out. - JR |
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Mahlomola
13/05/2008 17:15
How do you call europeans rapists? quite an insult from africa that rapes the country, the land and our women. Europeans may have tricked africans and extorted the labour but planted and built infrastructure we should all enjoy if we weren't to stoopid, lazy and greedy to maintain what we have. - Filemon |
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Terence
13/05/2008 17:16
Terence, wat snuif jy!? Ek wil ook h?Don't you guys also think that Terence is the funniest guy ... ever? - Gerhard |
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what is a complete political power?
13/05/2008 17:25
CTheB do you want to tell me that you are not awre that some of the municipalities are not led by ANC? Are you not aware that racist,sexist, undemocratic and dividing practices and the attitude still exist in some of the people's minds who are in charge of the Government institutions and parastatals? We cant the4 claim complete political power if we are not going to redress the imbalance of the painful past, as it is required by the Constitution. The Justice system is still male-dominated. - Ketso |
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Complete political power a neccessity.
13/05/2008 17:42
We should not forget that it took more than 48yrs to have Apartheid as a system in this country & only whites benefited from this system, from education to employment whites were given serious privileges. They were empowered to live a better life which they still enjoy todate. The apartheid government was only concerned about ensuring that black people become poor and white become rich. We are only 12yrs into a democratic breakthrough. Complete Political Power is a must to redress the imbalances. - Ketso |
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Dr DoLittle
13/05/2008 17:58
It sometimes is easy to see lack of intelligence, especially in forums like these. Are you feeling guilty? - LvH |
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Johnnoh
13/05/2008 17:59
How many political prisoners is the USA holding? - Len van Heerden |
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GailC
13/05/2008 18:00
How is this any different to the Western colonization?
They also have the numbers, need land and quite ruthless - LvH |
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John Camp
13/05/2008 18:01
Cape Town is still the murder capital of South Africa. And oh, the ANC runs the Western Cape, in case you did not know that. - Len van Heerden |
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Ted Haller
13/05/2008 18:03
Hi Ted,
Delighted to hear that the Western Cape does not indeed run as well as we have been made to believe. Thanks for confirming it. Oh, btw, they do not have housing problems in the Northern Cape - Len van Heerden |
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IMS
13/05/2008 18:07
The Western Cape is ruled by the ANC. I know this is difficult for some to understand, but it is a fact. You are therefore commending the ANC for a job well done, especially Rasool.
Wanna change your mind? - Len |
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ANC Runs Western Cape
13/05/2008 18:09
This would imply a good running western cape is proof that the ANC is doing a good job.
Surely, one does not need to live in the Western Cape in order to know that Rasool and the ANC runs the Western Cape - Len |
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Indeed
13/05/2008 20:07
Beware of China... she is indeed a mighty nation bent on world domination! (Evil Laugh) - Kris |
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