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Eish...
14/05/2008 08:32
You got to love it! If only they could find this mysterious "third force", then all our problems would be over. Just wondering if it's the same "third force" that caused the problems in rugby too? Busy little bugger... - Michelle |
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Blame the third force
14/05/2008 08:32
Brandon, I tried to follow yur story but I seem not to grasp it. If you real want to know what is happening concerning this issue never trust what you read in the papers try to find one of the attackers and the attacked, you will get the real story. I am community leader in my township and this thing nearly happened but none of the community leader or our township community was taking place on this attacks. So the question is who and where are this attackers are and where are they from. - me |
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Jumping on the bandwagon
14/05/2008 08:34
As opposed as I am to the violence happening in Alex, I couldn't help but notice the throngs of white South Africans condemning the attacks while they refuse to acknowledge the suffering of township dwellers to criminals on a daily basis. White South Africans and foreigners constitute a very small percentage of people affected by crime in this country. - VLS |
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Yes Apartheid is to blame....
14/05/2008 08:35
Yes apartheid had an impacct on the illegal immigrants..if there was no apartheid in south africa...south africans would not have been exiled to this illigal immigrants's contries in the first..this immigrants believes they deserve to be here because of the help they gave us when the colonial imperialists were killing the sons of the soil... - Kolobe |
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@Brendan
14/05/2008 08:37
Brilliant! What more is there to say than from this perspective I can see clearly now... - MIKE |
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Nice one
14/05/2008 08:40
News24 should hire you Brandon. Good column. - dd |
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Well someone is behind the violence
14/05/2008 08:40
Ha Ha Ha, how funny! Not.The point that the Minister was making is that (following your argument re Zimbabweans) it is strange that this violence should flare up now so violently. Zim's troubles began way back in 2000 - and some people left that country immediately. Presumably then they've been living in SA alongside black South Africans - and the outbursts of violence have been sporadic - until now. - VG |
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Excellent
14/05/2008 08:44
Well written Brandon. Sadly Alex is a testament to the ANC's inability to control the illegals. It is going to get worse what with food prices etc etc ...xenophobia will increase - IceCreamMan |
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Sarcasm
14/05/2008 08:44
I dont know if you are just being sarcastic in most of your article but no person can blame anyone or anything for what they do and if they have enough brains to relise everyone is responsible for their own actions then only the violence in this country as well as any other country will stop. No one can be the cause of a person picking up a stone and throw it at a dog even if their parents tought them to, Humans can still make their own decision!!!! - Nastassia |
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More worrying
14/05/2008 08:46
A more chilling comment I read yesterday was that the minister cannot understand why this violence is only directed at other "Africans". Maybe there is something to the old "night of the long knives". - Stryder |
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Third Force
14/05/2008 08:47
Seems like our esteemed minister doesn't watch the news.....black South Africans openly stating that they will kill the foreigners....how on this flat earth does she figure a third force into the equation....? - Matt |
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Huomour
14/05/2008 08:49
Thanks for the something else to read so early in the morning. It?s a breeze being relieved from the usual k@k that the people in this country seems to be so obsessed with.
Sarcasm is a form of humour, but in Higher Grade, and I appreciate it!!
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Yebo VLS
14/05/2008 08:56
"White South Africans and foreigners constitute a very small percentage of people affected by crime in this country" ... and you got this valuable information from the department of statistics, I suppose. Like they say, Ignorance is Bliss.. - Sean |
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and your point is
14/05/2008 08:57
Brandon your dry sarcasm and use of the same images is getting old and i'm getting tired of reading your articles that go around in circles. If you have an arguement to present, say it and get off the soap box. If you have no point to make, move over and give others a chance. - get-on-with-it |
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Third Force = ANC
14/05/2008 08:59
How many Nigerian/Zimbabwean NPC's are there? :) The plot thickens. Zuma committed fraud because of the Third Force. Mbeki was intimidated by the Third Force, hence, his inaction on HIV/Zimbabwe. Mantu and her garlics, yep, Third Force. Man, white folks control EVERYTHING. - Sinudeity |
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ANC a fuel for Anarchy
14/05/2008 08:59
Bottom line, there is no crisis in Zimbabwe according to high ranking ANC officcials, so why doesn't the ANC government stop Zimbabweans from coming into South Africa under refugee status. The big problem in Alexandria is because of the residents frustration with runaway crime. This is directly related to our governments inability to deal with crime & corruption. It also the ANC's failure to produce the houses & employment they promised & to dramatically reduce poverty. They've failed the people. - Malcolm X |
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usually you're a sort of a laugh
14/05/2008 09:02
but this time you're making light of a very serious situation. the way people are preying on other people is disgusting. It goes to show the lack of morals, respect and humanity but then I guess if you can rape your child, you can do pretty much anything. - not funny |
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@Kolobe
14/05/2008 09:05
Oh Kolobe, if all things were that easy. I'm sure the current oil/food prices are also due to apartheid. Do you ever find what you are looking for because it seems to me, you are always looking at the wrong place.
Oh and whites are affected by crime too, very, very regularly. The only time I could sleep peacefully at night was when I was in a first world country. - M |
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Kolobe I hear you, but
14/05/2008 09:06
My concern with our fellow brothers who torture these Zimbabweans, Mozambicans and the like, is that they dont do the same to foreign Chinese, Indians and whites.In all townships where there are illegal Zimbabweans, you are likely to find stores owned by Indians all over the township too, but only black foreigners are attacked. I need an explanation to that. - Sello |
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I blame the 3rd Force
14/05/2008 09:10
Remember the 80's & the 90's, the third force (white policemen & soldiers) were fuelling the violence between ANC & IFP which left thousands of Africans dying. I would not be suprised if whites were behind this recent attacks in Alex and masquerading as blacks, because these people hates Mugabe passionately. My grandfather used to warn me about these evil people who have left him destitude because of colonisation & apartheid. Even today white boys still rebuke our African leaders with impunity. - Maleshatane |
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This violence is nothing new!
14/05/2008 09:12
What about the Somali's in the Cape Provinces, Mamelodi and other places which don't make the headlines? This violence against foreigners is nothing new. Third force my bottom. Perhaps the people of Alex should march to the Union Buildings and protest there for failed foreign policies, pathetic border patrolling and a useless Home Affairs. At least they'll have the correct target... - Zoo Keeper |
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Flat Earth
14/05/2008 09:13
Seriously, I have to question comments like this by ministers and other public figures. Surely this is another ettempt to deflect any responisibility and accountability fro the regime of the day. Why don't we all just own up to the fact that there is a situation that has been ignored for a while and has now reached the boiling point and hence the violence. I dare the minister or any government official to take a stand and commit to resolving this issue as soon as possible. JHB - Jose Bates |
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Lunatic fringe
14/05/2008 09:15
Funny how when mike tyson (convicted career criminal) comes here and some govt officails will scramble for a photo opp.When Stephen Hawking comes here they could really care less.Maybe our esteemed minister should ask him to explain this invisible force.Maybe its the moon or a universe parallel to our flat earth. - psycobabble |
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Lack of understanding
14/05/2008 09:19
The minister's surprise betrays a lack of understanding of how the world works. Whether the refugees believe they have a right to be here or not and whether we, as a country, have an obligation to help them or not, our government's apathy about managing the influx is a serious issue. That is not to say refugees should simply be turned away, but there should be refugee camps, etc. - Craig |
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Apathy and denial
14/05/2008 09:20
This is just another (yet another) thing that government has done NOTHING about. It should not have happened in the first place. As soon as it was apparent that we were being overrun by illegal immigrants, border posts should have been setup to prevent entry. This is just another example of it being easier to do nothing than to take postitive steps to preventing things from happening, along with HIV/AIDS, education, public health, public education (ad infinitum). - Silver Surfer |
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Well done
14/05/2008 09:26
Well written Brandon.
This is plan and simple crime , all these scum must be brought to justice. How can one justify the rape of women to stop the so called crime by these foreingers.
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Created own monster
14/05/2008 09:28
The ANC was tauhgt the effectiveness of anarchy by their marxist masters in Russia, Cuba and China.They then taught this to their followers who was unfortunately not debriefed after the struggle ended.Let them blame the 3rd force or even the tooth fairy.The fact is this country is falling deeper and deeper into anarchy and lawlesness.The ANC is to incompetent to conrtoll the monster they created.Great column though!! - shane |
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Brandon, don't give up your day job
14/05/2008 09:28
You are not very good at this - do you actually have a day job? You've now had your 15 minutes of fame, you stand no chance of much further.
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Big third force
14/05/2008 09:29
It is an international organisation that is busy in at least 100 countries. The UK, USA, Germany, France, Australia have all had incidents like these recently. It is evidence of reduced ecomonic wealth for everyone, leading the locals to believe they have more rights than foreigners to jobs, houses, charity. Lets have THAT argument, way more productive than the predictable racial diatribe that is about to start. .... Brandon - funny stuff, I like! - Excalibur |
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Sello
14/05/2008 09:33
Explain to me Sello..a person jumped the border with nothing obviously then all of a sudden without any work..he has the most expensive music systems and furniture...worst of all is that african immigrants live amongst the black communities...why cant they have their own refugee camp. other races don?t live amongst black communities otherwise they would get the same measure. ask the Somalians and pakistanies that can be classified as Indians they are ? - Kolobe |
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Latest news24 article
14/05/2008 09:39
Alex violence flares up again: Three teenagers, including a 14-year-old boy, were shot and stabbed...
What can call a person to murdering kids like this?! Im SICKENED by the violence in our country!!! - Sinudeity |
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I agree
14/05/2008 09:44
... that the world is flat, but if you ever read Pratchett, you will know that the world is balanced on the backs of four giant elephants, which in turn stand on the back of an enormous turtle.
Ps. The power crisis is a result of our economy that has grown to quickly, not Eiskom.
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Love this
14/05/2008 09:45
I love this. When a government department fails to do their job they blame a third force. I should blame a third force every time something goes wrong in my life, then I never have to accept responsibility for anything. - Pangea |
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@ Maleshatane
14/05/2008 09:45
Are you for real. "White boys still rebuke our African leaders with impunity". What exactly are you saying. The Government can only be rebuked by black people?. The government is beyond reproach?. Grow up, politically at least. In democracy it is REQUIRED that the electorate criticise and reproach leadership where they deserve it, and that government RESPOND to it. Anything else is Grade 3 democracy. {shaking head sadly at the immaturity of politics in SA} - Excalibur |
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fools forever
14/05/2008 09:46
i am appalled as a former resident of alex, lots of theories are being proved right about black people by black people, the rate of stupidy is way to alarming to keep defending my black nation. what is going on here? millions of white immigrants but white people will not be torching eac other's houses, rather they will be defending their Verwoerd ill gotten gains for ages, making a mockery of all our efforts to reverse such. i now concede that we are not in their league collectively as a people. - rlb |
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COVER-UP
14/05/2008 09:48
This started from Madala hostel on saturday but suddenly spead to residents, how because those staying in hostels're foreiners?Suggesion of third force is possible and agree too.Again councillor said some group of residents had a meeting discussing aliens occopying RDP houses intead of resident WHO'S FOOLING WHO BEFORE MANY LIVES LOST BECAUSE MOST OF DECEASED ARE SA CITIZENS? - BETHUEL |
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Let us accept foreigners into our homes.
14/05/2008 09:49
In the village where I live, there is a number of foreigners roaming around but we dont attack them here. Actually, my wife and I have taken a few of them into our hut when they needed a place to sleep for the night. - Sello |
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@ Brandon
14/05/2008 09:54
Congrats on a well written article. Just what we need more of in this country; humour. - TJ |
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Classic
14/05/2008 09:54
I love the response to the minister's comments... wish we had some more journalism like this! Well done! - Dev |
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Migrate to the Stars
14/05/2008 09:58
He-he-he! Since we are so close then, why do we not command the "Third Force", army and a fleet of taxis to export these illigals to the moon and the stars! - TB |
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Third Force
14/05/2008 10:01
This guy is funny. You got to love the minister as well. I don't blame the residents of Alex for doing what they are doing. They must defend what is theirs, or should we invite every foreigner with issues onto our country. As one said "we come here to look for jobs" i though our unemployment rate is way over 20%..... - Andyt |
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You are right, they have been welcome....
14/05/2008 10:03
For years and years. I have seen the SA ID's obtained by foreigners from up country. The ANC looked the other way, might even have helped them to obtain them. They all voted ANC. I would really love to know the statistics on which sector of SA'can community is raping, murdering and stealing the most. I will never believe that it's the Zim's. KolOB,the Apartheid monkey on your back, and the devil in your ear, is driving you crazy. - Alicia |
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Sello, You are a world class idiot
14/05/2008 10:04
Here we go again, another useless comment from Sello. You have absoluetly no clue what the violence is all about. Please read the various articles on News24, in the print media & watch the news on TV before commenting. Back to the issue, I agree with Nastassia's comments, Humans can still make their own decisions. - Al |
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I beg your pardon.....
14/05/2008 10:11
What absolute rubbish!!! The illegal immigrants from Zim have never lived peacefully beside South African blacks. They have been terrorised, tortured and shunned by the black community for years. The only difference now is that they are fleeing their country in their droves and the violence that has erupted is only more noticeable because there are more of them being killed and tortured than normal. These people have nowhere to go and no black "brothers" to turn to. Their only hope is colonialism - Karen |
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Brandon
14/05/2008 10:13
You are marevellous at this "tongue in cheek" thing, so here goes. You forgot to tell the nation the the Martians landed at "The Cradle of Mankind", and that they are going to gobble us all up. Also we are going to collide with a monstrous asteroid...as we are is such a mess, we will probably be wiped out. Obviously this is all a sinister plot, by Hendrik Verwoerd and his Apartheid Regime, all carefully planned ages ago. - Alicia |
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a clear message should be sent to
14/05/2008 10:19
Nigeria , Zimbabwe,Moz and all these countries that think SA is the land of milk and honey, Or is it perhaps ? as long as you pay your bribes to SAPS and ANC you can do what you want I suppose ! - charlie |
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@ Sello
14/05/2008 10:19
Good article Brandon. Don't worry about the intellectually challenged that could not grasp the message. Sello where is your village? You seem to live in paradise, no crime wow. The wood fire is very romantic and very useful when Eishdom is load-shedding. Why don't you market your village for 2010. At least when the horrible, raping, stealing etc European foreigners arrive in 2010 they will know they will be safe in your village. Peace. - JTA |
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Kolobs, you crack me up
14/05/2008 10:24
every time I read your stupid comments. Apartheid will always be the blame for you and your kind's inhumane behaviour. Have you ever asked yourself the following question? Did apartheid cause this kind of behaviour, OR was apartheid initiated because off this kind of behaviour? Go read what Bill Cosby had to say about blaming whites forever ? you race will get nowhere as long as this is your only defence for incompetence. - peterpan |
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@ Kolobe
14/05/2008 10:26
Just a heads up not all illegal immegrant are poor. Some come into the country and bring their wealth with them. Regarding your argument that they must be doing something illegal because they have aquired wealth. Do you not realise how much you sound like a white racist who sees a black man driving a bmw and says he must be a drug dealer because in his racist mind there is no way a black man can aquire wealth legally. - Rian |
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Is apathy a force?
14/05/2008 10:27
The mindset of many of the commentators here who believe that they can do exactly as they please and not take responsibility for their actions because, hey, we will just blame the white man, and our governments refusal to see a crisis for what it is, in my view, are the main ingredients of any third force in this country. It must b nice to go throgh life with a ready made excuse for everything you do wrong. Come on - one idiot reckons some whiteys painted themselves black aqnd commited the crime. - greggo |
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Which Universe?
14/05/2008 10:31
I have long accepted the fact that people supporting as useless a government as ours, maniacs like Robert Mugabe, etc. live in the flat world universe. The rest of us in the real universe, would never be able to understand them and they would never be able to understand us. Sad, but reality. Nice humor, Brandon. - Dr DoLittle |
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Maleshatane
14/05/2008 10:32
Your grandfather was right, be very afraid of evil white people, they will kill you in your sleep ;) You're a crazy old man. Are you so afraid, paranoid and obsessed with white people? - deb |
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thanks
14/05/2008 10:38
Was a good read! - andrew |
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Talent
14/05/2008 10:40
@ Wam 09:28 - no personal attacks . that includes the author of the column . you wish you had half the writing talent of this man . or is it just that you didn't understand? - Russ |
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Bunch of clowns
14/05/2008 10:41
My domestic lives in Alex and told me today that this '3rd force' came to her house last night trying to kick it down proclaiming they were looking for foreigners. When they realised there weren't foreign, they still entered the house and raided it and took most of her things! She said they went house to house and did the same, if u foreign u get the shit kicked out of u, if u local u just get raided! Just reenforcing african culture I guess, take now worry later. - Moses |
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March against crime! 10th of June
14/05/2008 10:44
We need a million people to march to the Union Buildings on the 10th of June. President Mbeki, you may think violent crime is a joke but we are sick and tired of it. The message to the government and the rest of the world will be clear - we expect leadership and drastic action from those who are supposed to make a difference. Even if you plan to emigrate, think of those people who will be staying behind. Million Man March - for the sake of our people's future! www.millionmanmarch.co.za - Frank II |
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Maleshatane
14/05/2008 10:47
My grandfather told me to beware the yellow peril (Chinese). Does not mean I cannot be mature and make my own choice about other races. I cannot judge the things I see around me based on experiences gained by other people 50 years ago. Things change. You should too. - MJ |
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@peterpan
14/05/2008 10:48
Well done buddy - you asked the right question - I would like to see the response on this... which was first, the chicken or the egg. You will propably get no response on your comment - or maybe idiotic kolobe will come up with his usual crappy response. - Jax |
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TIA
14/05/2008 10:50
Just remember anything can happen in this country. It is not impossible that SA gets mismanaged to an extent that South Africans need to start crossing the border as refugees. If you were a refugee how would you want to be treated? Look at the pictures these people are women and children. This is just another form of racism. - Rian |
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VLS on the bandwagon
14/05/2008 10:51
Who said anything about whites refusing to acknowlede that crime exists in the townships ? If you live in a township and there is a criminal living next door, do something about it. Same a lot of suburbs have resident associations etc, and Security company's that patrol the suburbs. Create an association and do something about it instead of blaming whites for everything. We can't all just sit back with our hands out expecting someone else to sort things out. Blame the government you voted for. - Geoff |
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Third Force
14/05/2008 10:55
Has the third force taken away our sense of humour as well? Darth Vader has got nothing on the minister! Nice article Brandon, once again you have made me laugh with your witty "humour". I have to point that out as so many people obviously did not concentrate in English class when they were at school. - Nicky |
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The Pig (or Goat) Inside
14/05/2008 10:55
You do not see other groups of people morphing into monsters on this scale, ready to sow chaos and to commit the worst forms of savagery imaginable against their own kind - whatever is to blame. If you do wish to blame someone, Satan fills the description of the 3rd force quite nicely... - Itongo |
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Tee Hee - Well Done Brandon
14/05/2008 10:56
Kolobe, Me, Maleshatane it's a rhetorical question and it's called humour you dweebs! Get a life. DOH! - mikehunt |
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how can we safely express our Ubuntu?
14/05/2008 11:04
I'm a pale male, born and bred in CT. I am envious of Sello. He can express his Ubuntu.
I live alone in a five bedroom house, could comfortably accomodate 10+ needy people.
I would never invite people off the street into my house. They would probably rob me blind.
Worse still I could wake up dead. Is this lack of trust racist or merely sensible? I'm sure Kolobe would say it is because I'm white and because of apartheid. I've sold my house and am leaving the country.....ciao - gerhard |
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OK , fine!
14/05/2008 11:11
Now that we have assigned blame(which is a pastime so beloved by South Africans of all races)why not move on to the next step. If it is someone's fault let them fix it. If the problems prevalent today is the fault of the gov like some say, then responsiblity must be assigned and action taken.If it is all the fault of colonialism and apartheid as others say, let those persons responsible be given the power to fix it. Just a suggestion.In this case, we will first have to id the 3rd force though!:) - Bridget |
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Third Force
14/05/2008 11:13
A friend of mine who was born and bred in Atteridgeville tells me he could not recognise anyone involved in the attacks against foreigners when it happened at the beginning of the year. Makes one consider the possibility of a third force, doesn't it?
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Human behavior
14/05/2008 11:13
I happen so see all sorts of foreigners every day and I can say that Somalians are hated because they are business driven and highly opinionated. Zimbabweans are willing to do any job, tend to be educated, but some look and act as if they will be attacked or killed at any moment. Like children some people in our country just do not like the new child in the family. This might be due to jealousy and lack of respect for the other culture. - ElectroMan |
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Tired of this Favour
14/05/2008 11:16
I'm sick and tired of people saying we owe foreigners someing. When our peopal were in Exile they were confined to compounds and were not roaming around the country and demanding stuff from those governments. To hell with this nonsense. When you sitting in your townhouse and you haven't been overtaken by some guy who came into the country last week on the RDP housing list, you will say its wrong, but out yousrself into those peoples shoes. Its Frustrating. If you wnat to come to SA do it legally - Tebzano |
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