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Disclaimer
16/05/2008 13:40
"Disclaimer: News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views. The views of users published on News24 are therefore their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24. News24 editors reserve the right to edit or delete any and all comments received." - Surely this is enough?? what does disclaimer mean again?? - Grant |
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News24 Editor??
16/05/2008 13:41
Can we get a response regarding the above from you please?? just in public interest, and for discussion sake? thanks. - Grant |
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Agreed
16/05/2008 13:42
News24 puts itself in a very awkward position by sensoring some and allowing others. By being the law on some, does that not imply that they admit the ones they display are acceptable and not hate speech? Sometimes I am surprised that middle of the line comments I submit are not displayed, but direct attacks are sometimes allowed. One wonders if this helps up readership, and thus advertising income. - MJ |
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censorship
16/05/2008 13:46
People today should stop feeling so touchy about everything that is said,people get on their high horses too quickly,they should learn to see it for what it is a damn joke,people only get censored if they speak their mind or if they are not of the right race,blacks can critisize whites all they want,but if the tables are turned,people make a big scene over it,and then its racism all of a sudden. - creech |
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Complicating it
16/05/2008 13:48
Are we really complicating this too much. I doubt if views are edited except for the typical insults. I have had some of my postings lost, but really am not bothered about it. at the end of the day, the forum allow us to share our views and if someone is offended, they can sue. I have no doubt News24.com would win anyway. - Len Anderson |
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well from experience i can say
16/05/2008 13:50
that yes news24 do censor the comments made on this forum which is quite childish in a way. If someone wants to provoke me on here or insult my fellow brothers or sisters hell i really dont mind just so long as you dont mind to receive the same and secondly whats the big deal really just let us say what we want to who we want because by censoring our comments you are turning this in to a spaza shop website. - terence |
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i think censoring a must be considerd by all means!
16/05/2008 13:50
when some one posts inflamatory staments they often end up fueling hate hence showing a bad image to the readers and people who dont like haterad end up becoming haters themselves - jfk |
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Ummm...
16/05/2008 13:53
News24 does put a disclaimer on, stating that the views expressed by users are not necessarily those of News24 and that News24 reserves the right to edit or delete any comments submitted to them. It's not right above the comments section, but it's there. There's no 'report' option, though. Fin24 has it and there the comments do appear immediately and are only removed if someone complains and the complaint is deemed valid. - CTheB |
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Eddited
16/05/2008 13:57
I think it is a good idea to not published some comments, I know for sure, some if the stuff I have said was iffy! - padkos |
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Look again
16/05/2008 13:58
Did you notice the disclaimer at the bottom of each story in the MyNews24 section. I think that covers just about everything.
Disclaimer: News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views. The views of users published on News24 are therefore their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24. News24 editors reserve the right to edit or delete any and all comments received.
- Gus |
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Ofcos
16/05/2008 14:00
Yes I am sure they do, not everybody who writes gets published. I have proof. I sent 2 stories yesterday, till now they havent been published on my news24.com!! - 220 |
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My response on Answerit from yesterday
16/05/2008 14:02
MyNews24 is a space for only user-generated content to be published. So apart from the odd *Have your Say* article, everything else is written by users, is not paid for, and is in no way solicited or commissioned by MyNews24 first. This means we are entirely dependent on News24 users to write something and send content to us. On the editorial side, we review all content sent in, and reply via e-mail to get the author's confirmation it is their original work etc. We vet content based on writing ability (if its written so badly we don't understand it, we can't edit it ourselves in case we change the meaning of your intellectual property), on volume of content (we won't publish all twenty stories we receive on a certain topic) and based on the tone of the content (and here is the most subjective - we try to imagine how the spectrum of News24 users may interperet a piece. One man's reality is another man's racism!). On the comments side - this is an incredibly time-consuming process. We try to read, edit if necessary and approve or reject all comments as quickly as possible. Sometimes things slip through by accident, but we can then remove a comment once we've been alerted to it. Remember that what you're seeing is simply a fraction of the comments we receive. The vast majority are deemed too racist, offensive, repetetive or antagonistic to publish. We do not, however, feel it is fair to NOT publish someone simply because they have recently been published or because they have commented often. Similarly, we try our best to edit pieces where the author clearly struggles with English, but often those are the pieces we struggle with the most. We would love to publish everything we receive but we simply do not have the resources to spend time editing each and every submission to MyNews24. But please do write for us if you don't like what you're reading. That's the best way to change the content - write what you want to read about.
- MyNewsEd |
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Comments guide from 'Write by the rules'
16/05/2008 14:03
In approving comments, we try not to edit or remove too many of them, however we do try to maintain certain standards with each article. We rarely if ever edit individual comments for spelling and grammar - with thousands of comments coming in to News24 each month, we just don't have the time - but we do delete comments based on the following basic criteria:
1) The relevance of the comment to the topic
2) The extent to which other users will understand what has been said
3) The extent of swear words, the degree of insulting language and severity of the tone of the comment towards either a group of people or an individual
4) News24 Users who abuse the comments facility by posting under existing aliases or who post simply to incite arguments on the board
5) Duplication of comments
- MyNewsEd |
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There is a futher problem
16/05/2008 14:03
News24 sometimes blurs the line between reporting and personal opinion.
Some times they will bill a letter they receive as "top story", or add editorial along the lines of "One of our readers articulates what is wrong with the New South Africa".
In doing this News24 are giving unsolicited personal opinions the same weight as their own reportage, and/or presenting a personal opinion as being reflective of national opinion.
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Let's not misuse the News24 site
16/05/2008 14:04
I think News24 should censor comments they think are not appropriate.Freedom of expression is not absolute.I've read comments on this site which are hate inspired,insulting & inciteful and wondered why they were published.Some users use hate speech and pretend as if they are from the other race group,like one guy who said that they will rape and kill whites, pretending to be black by using an African name,fortunately his writing style gave him away.We want a robust debate that is mature. - Godfrey |
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Acqaint yourself!
16/05/2008 14:04
Everyday I am more and more shocked at how little so-called citizen reporters understand about the media they so brazenly venture into. Like Prometheus above, they don't have the foggiest idea about newsworthiness, laws of defamation, FAIA, the Criminal Procedure Act and numerous other laws, editorial good taste, public interest, fact vs editorialising.
Maybe that's why there are still REAL journalists. Thank God! - Ubuqotha |
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Not a day goes by....
16/05/2008 14:06
without somebody calling someone an Idiot or a moron.But the quection is..to what extend does one have to go to deserve such labels..?But will cannot run away from the fact that there are a lot of morons & idiots using this facility & the lesser we talk about the Anti-gov comments that receives a huge share of publishing by news24 the better!! - Les-Maada |
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News24
16/05/2008 14:07
are one of the leaders in hate speech! Simple. I've noticed whenever an article is published on race, they keep the comments open for so much longer and on other issues which they then close them off very quickly. I've expressed my views many times that it does nothing to build this country when they always publish race hate, yes publish once in a while but how about something positive for a change and not repeatitiveness like the bloody race issue!! - Win |
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or who post simply to incite arguments on the board ????
16/05/2008 14:10
then why are users like Juan's comments being posted...nonsense... - Nonsense.. |
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Manipulation
16/05/2008 14:11
certainly occurs when censorship takes place. This does not give the opportunity for responses especially when users aim comments directly at other users. All views need to be aired although you may not agree with them. However some idiotic users abuse this forum - such as Kolobe, Sello, John Camp and LvH - Filemon |
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Gus and Grant - disclaimer
16/05/2008 14:12
A disclaimer can say that comments do not necessarily represent the site's views, but it also says it supports freedom of speech. If something is published which crosses the lines of free speech to hate speech then what? If they stopping some, should they not stop all 'hate speech'? That is what is being questioned. A disclaimer does NOT blanketly cover someone from legal discourse, especially if through negligence on their part they letting it through. - MJ |
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Counter Productive
16/05/2008 14:14
A question, why do we allow News24 users to operate with more than one name/profile. To me this is counter productive in debate, if a user feels strongly about a topic then post it under your name/profile, DON'T hide behind an alias. If you feel you need to use an alias then perhaps you shouldn't be posting the article in the first place. - John Camp |
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Filemon
16/05/2008 14:16
Chief I have read your comment..and when was the last time you saw my comment??? - Kolobe |
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win
16/05/2008 14:16
the reason they close the other topics off so quickly is because they are so boring and no one is really posting, hence the news24 editors dont have a job hence they will get fired and cannot support their families. Now hate speech and racial articles attract lots of attention and many posts keeping our friends at news24 in the job. Everyone like to defend their race and spit on other races, hopefully i have answered your question - terence |
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Hey wena Filemon saan!
16/05/2008 14:21
Leave my name out of your madness! I dont even know what you are talking about. Where do I come in there? - Sello |
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common sense is needed
16/05/2008 14:25
While I agree to censoring to a certain degree, but it shouldnot be overdone.Many people on here get offended by some of the racist comments made by some people on here,but i think its an ideal opp. to judge the mindsets of people in the New South Africa.Also agree with JOHN CAMP,there are 2 many people on here using multiple aliases. - Kogilan Govender(a.k.a. K.G.) |
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Tired
16/05/2008 14:25
I for one I'm tired of the race debate, as it is pointless it only promotes bigotry and hate, but due to freedom of speech or whatever sometimes news24 is compelled to publich all the rubbish and hate speech which Kolobe, Juan and Co almost feed us daily. We live in a so called democracy so I guess somehow we have to put out with this rubbish. - Mxolisi Selby Shabangu |
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My comments
16/05/2008 14:26
are being posted, because I tell it like IT IS!
The truth is not always politically correct! - Juan |
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Face the facts...
16/05/2008 14:27
If they censored the comments,most of OUR comments wouldnt be published,or it will end up being one the most boring forumns around.I personally wouldnt want to visit and read some false opinions which the news24 team feel appropriate. - nWo |
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Filemon
16/05/2008 14:27
You are now doing exactly what you accuse us of. We all are entitled to an opinion and ofcourse we respond to each other. This is termed debate. We may disagree on a subject area HOWEVER when we do agree we show solidarity. - John Camp |
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Civic Responsibility...
16/05/2008 14:29
Hence our claim that media is failing in its role as a motive force of change in a developmental state.They should assist with transformation of our society and clearly they are not doing it.To allow the print of the baseless and untrue claims of some of the commentators borders on irresponsibility.The plus on the flipside of this,would really bring back the credibility of media so cherished in the past. - Cape Town Kid |
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News 24 is a joke
16/05/2008 14:30
If you want your article to be publicised in News24 just be anti government or criticise black leadership or population, then your article will make it. The gullible white folks will jump into the bandwagon in critisizing the government or parastatals followed by blacks defending the present status quo. I am no longer suprised to see blacks in pursuit of R500 prize money insulting the black nation. There are lot of pathetic people on this little forum. - Calvin Mkhize |
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Filemon
16/05/2008 14:32
Yours is just an example why it is necessary to monitor comments. Your attacks were uncalled for. Just because you do not agree with someone does not mean they deserve an attack. What is important is whether we encourage robust debate or typical Juan postings. Even then, I will fight for the right of Juan and Filemon to have their comments posted. - LvH |
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Freedom of Speech
16/05/2008 14:32
The DIFFERENCE is, when you get some hardcore racist, as an example, who suddendly found himself a job as a news24 moderator. With that said, we shouldn't have the need for a moderator. We can all learn some self-control, or, just take a minute, and think about your comment. And with THAT said, even though I dont like, that you say about me, I will defend to the DEATH, you're right to say it. - Sinudeity |
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Hate to say it but...
16/05/2008 14:33
I have become increasingly annoyed with the editors on the mynews site as there is no consistency with regards to censoring the comments - my previous comment to this article was censored (again) for using an example of a previous post which was CLEARLY hate speech and was published, yet several well thought out responses to the offender were deliberatly excluded. Even letters to the editor on the matter (as to why the comment was posted) were ignored/dismissed. Nice to hide behind a disclaimer.. - Sarah |
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John Camp
16/05/2008 14:35
I believe that what one posts is more important than what their name is. We tend use people's name to determine whether they are black or white and hence whether their views are justified or not. I believe that if we all posted under anonymous, the racism will subside as you will know who you are insulting and will be concerned more with the actual comments - LvH |
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Calvin Mkhize-Spot On
16/05/2008 14:37
Thank you Calvin...people are driven by the R500 prize by insulting our Government all thanks to News24... - Kolobe |
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Juan
16/05/2008 14:37
What truth - Mxolisi Selby Shabangu |
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I don't think the public realises the extent of the problem
16/05/2008 14:48
Here on Property24 we also invite users to comment on our articles. I don't think the users commenting here realise just how bad some of the comments are, how much of it is hate speech and racism and how badly some of it is written. If we published everything we get without editing /censorship our site would degenerate into unreadable hogwash.. - Property24 Editor |
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Mxolisi Selby Shabangu
16/05/2008 14:50
leave Juan alone..He is entitled to his opinions...You can also express your opinions... - Kolobe |
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last laugh
16/05/2008 14:53
its all about im go tell you,like told me
and competition,minds over matters. i learn a lot on this comment... i wish govt officials they can take notes from this forum about RSA cityzens... - kaizer |
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NOT FAIR
16/05/2008 14:54
What I find strange of the MyNews24 site is that almost every week you see that same people being published - with a site of over 1mill local users we can give more people the change to be published on this site. Not a week or two will go by that we will not see Faber, Peter Black, Peter Niel and Kondile and Funnybones have been published twice in less than 7 days. Is there something wrong with this picture or not. - colin |
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Censorship is important
16/05/2008 14:59
If every Tom, Dick and Harry commented on an article willy nilly other users would get frustrated. The point is to have an intellectual debate which would be difficult if all you were faced with were rude rantings. Some may not be censored to keep some kind of "vibrant" conversation going. - DM |
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Does it count?
16/05/2008 14:59
Does it count if I hate everybody including myself.................:) - Theunis |
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MEN, the number one reason, to start WARS
16/05/2008 15:01
This is why MEN are usually the ones to start WARS. You guys seem to have large egos. All one tracked minds, not really willing to listen to any one else. You're always right and everyone else is wrong. - suzie |
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Seen on a wall
16/05/2008 15:01
above a unrinal in a public toilet."If you're looking at what I've put you may be pissing on your foot!"Point is that over the last few months the level of moderation has improved on this site not only by the editors but by the "commentors" too and it does'nt look like sayings scribbled on the walls of public toilets. - psycobabble aka psycobabble |
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Calvin, Kolobe etc
16/05/2008 15:02
I challenge you to find a) a democracy that works without challenginges to the incumbent party and b) something this government has done right (that everybody agrees is right) . Then please explain why they may not be questioned or criticised. And can News24 censor out the ad hominem arguments, thanks. - mallencolly |
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Property24 Editor
16/05/2008 15:03
Hey, let's compare apples with apples here. When last did you guys post a "sensitive" issue that touches peoples emotions. Maybe we should all move over to Property24 and continue our debates ;-) Have a good weekend, GOOD luck to the Stormers & Sharks. - John Camp |
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Selective Censorship
16/05/2008 15:07
allows incorrect statements being made and not being refuted. Example this week was the origin and meaning of Mlungu. It is a derogatory word meaning white scum - as found from the sea surf on beaches - derived from Xhosa when the settlers arrived in the Eastern Cape. But selective censorship did not allow the facts and left uninformed interpretations to be posted - Filemon |
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News24 Sponsored Meeting
16/05/2008 15:10
I look forward to the News24 sponsored meeting in Soweto where we can all debate the debatable topics and meet the daring, brave, bright and idiotic on this forum! See you there - Always Wong |
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Suzie...
16/05/2008 15:12
Men only fight over 3 things.....money, religion and most frequently WOMEN.... - nWo |
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Filemon
16/05/2008 15:20
You should be happy that news24 removed my response to you...censorship is not good..there are people that make comments especially to me but then when I respond I get censored...bloody hell - Kolobe |
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censorship or editing?
16/05/2008 15:22
You should not confuse censorship and the exercise of editorial prerogative. The latter is what editors at publications (incuding internet forums) do all the time. The editor of Beeld does not have a duty to publish everything that is submitted to the paper, and neither do the editors of News24. That is not censorship. - Robert |
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Yes
16/05/2008 15:24
It is freedom of speech. You are completely free to type what you want to say and News24 have the freedom not to publish it!! - Point Blank |
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Agree with Calvin Mkhize
16/05/2008 15:26
The editor must be white because a lot of offensive comments from white people are published (where they call the whole black race stupid and lazy for instance). Filemon - Most of the people you call idiotic are the ones I find level-headed (except for Kolobe when the subject is foreigners and Xenophobia). - Olebogeng |
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Suzie..
16/05/2008 15:26
Others only fight with us because they don't agree with what we say... :) hence a war starts.. I can't be upset if ppl are less intelligent, jus gotta take 'em out!! lol! just joking by the way.. - Grant |
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Suzie...
16/05/2008 15:31
For president! - Godfrey |
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Kolobe
16/05/2008 15:32
At least you realise what an opinion is.. and indirectly confirm that what you post is actually your personal opinion and not necessarily fact, you so often believe. thanks man.. but then why do you get upset when users never agree with you? - Grant |
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I don't think you guys understand...
16/05/2008 15:33
What it means when you say *this is racist*. If, for example, Juan thinks Kolobe is racist, but Kolobe doesn't think he's racist, and Kolobe things Juan is racist, but Juan doesn't think he's racist, then who is really racist? Your PERCEPTION is that someone is racist, but the REALITY is that they think YOU'RE racist. So yes you could say we're ALL racist, but perhaps, on the other hand, we're clashing with people with a different world view than ours, and we overreact. There is no right and wrong here, only an opportunity to understand other people's perceptions of the world. And really, you all WANT to pick fights. No one picked up on what MyNewsEd said. No one will comment on this post. Why? Because its harder to argue with! - Levelheaded |
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mallencolly
16/05/2008 15:37
The very reason that you can write and criticise this govt without fearing a late night visit by the special branch which could result in jail or worse even death. - Godfrey |
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Levelheaded
16/05/2008 15:46
You are really Levelheaded - Kolobe |
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Debate
16/05/2008 15:51
John Camp debate is putting forward ideas and counter ideas NOT resorting to insults whether on racial, class or intelligence lines. Olebogeng a sane man in a mad world is insane - no wonder you find idiots level-headed. Kolobe my response to you was censored so I will try again - I stirred with you just to se if you were still around my brother. Hi Sello - Filemon |
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RE:Property 24 Editor
16/05/2008 15:52
...well unfortunately we happen to share a country with those very same people and much as one may hate/disapprove of what is said at least you knwo what your fellow South Africans are thinking. Many of Karen's comments for instance really shock and upset me, but I would rather be able to read them than to falsely believe that relations between blacks and whites are just peachy. She may be representative of quite a numb of South Africans. - VG |
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To Suzie
16/05/2008 15:54
Thanks for a Friday afternoon laugh, I'm glad your comment made it through :-) - CTheB |
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Mallencolly
16/05/2008 16:00
Your challenge is unfair. By "everybody" who do you mean? When I say the government has managed to keep the economy ticking along, that they have built more than million houses and have increase the electrification and available water for many citizens, would you agree? - Len van Heerden |
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Godfrey
16/05/2008 16:01
Are you referring to the fact that they were freedom fighters? Are you implying that because they were freedom fighters they are infallible governors and automatically beyond reproach? Or that the present government is solely responsible for democracy in South Africa? Is my right to criticise them given to me by them? Should I consider not being arrested or killed by the securtiy police for criticising the government as a sign of a working democracy? - mallencolly |
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RACISM
16/05/2008 16:03
Racism makes people stupid, I have done my research. - Mxolisi Selby Shabangu |
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Democracy in Action
16/05/2008 16:04
You know what guys, I don't know whether you even see the irony here, but even this forum is an extention of our democracy and constitution. We are given these rights, but yes, there will be those who will abuse them. But this is also part of the right. This does not mean all will agree with your opinions. So get over it. Suzie is also on the right track with her thinking. It is these sort of attitudes that destroy something good, just because there is an element of disagreement. - Ndumiso |
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Grant ...
16/05/2008 16:04
Your post is spot on! All the other replies are really superfluous. :) - Sizwe |
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To Levelheaded
16/05/2008 16:05
Racism, sexism, etc. are not just someone else's perception. Yes, it's possible that it's just a perception or even that it's a manifestation of their own racism. However, racism, etc. are to do with prejudices and preconceptions and are most often identified by unjustifiable generalisations about a group. As such, saying something is racist isn't automatically merely a perception. What sort of response to MyNewsEd were you expecting? And what do you base your conclusion on? - CTheB |
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Regular submittors
16/05/2008 16:06
There are a number of people who submit on here who have become recognisable. It is up to all who read their comments to be aware that simply because their views are one way (skew or otherwise) does not mean they represent the opinions of everyone we 'think' they represent. It may also only be the oppinionated hot-heads (including myself) who comment, giving an unfair representation of the thoughts of the masses. - MJ |
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Let's be real
16/05/2008 16:07
Are we "really" thinking that people are motivated by getting R500. How shallow do you guys people really are. My articles are my opinions. I could get cricified for them and so be it. But if I happen to get R500, then yeah cool. But if it makes anyone happy, I could easily donate mine to charity. I write because I want to be heard. There is only far that R500 can go these days in our current economy. - Ndumiso |
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Len van Heerden
16/05/2008 16:08
My challenge is not unfair. If someone takes umbrage that the government is being criticised, Then there must be no reason for crticism. ie everyone must agree. Since everyone very rarely agrees, we have a system like democracy in which every voice must be heard. - mallencolly |
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Censor this....
16/05/2008 16:10
it is FRIDAY,and because I am not a pensioner and will not be using my grant money,I am off to the pub...WHO'S COMING??? - nWo |
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Censoring..
16/05/2008 16:11
Is the measure used for the protection of any right that might be violated based on the access to information act, in other words you can exercise your right to freedom of speech but if that right violates another person's right then those people rights that'll be violated need to be protected. - Luzuko |
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THE REASON WHY WE STILL DWELL ON THE PAST!
16/05/2008 16:14
is because most people in this country dont seem to realise the fact that change is good, change is what makes us adapt and learn from the past happenings. there is no such thing as a reversed apartheid! it is a mere interpretation of the situation. the sooner we all embrace one anothers diverse cultures and culminate together to be "SOUTH AFRICANS" the brighter our future will be and the easier it will be to show our fellow narrow minded compatriots what vast potential this country holds! - David (20 yr old SOUTH AFRICAN) |
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