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well said
02/07/2008 10:50
good article, would be nice if african leaders could read it and pinch themselves back to reality - rory |
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africa for africans
02/07/2008 10:53
the leaders of africa are tired of western dictators. perhaps if the eu and the us stepped back - the african leaders would have enough space to resolve these issues. - nada |
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Bravo Pitso!
02/07/2008 10:55
Hey Pitso, you give me hope! It would be terrific if more and more people like yourself start dropping the 'Black is always right' theme and say 'What's wrong is WRONG', no matter what the skin colour. Much wrong has been done by both Whites and Blacks in this nation, but if enough of us get past the pointless racist slanging match and work together, we can still make this a great nation. We have the resources to do it. Maybe you should start a new political party! - doug |
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Well said...
02/07/2008 10:56
Although this has been said before, I believe it needs to be said again and again. Nicely put! - Malcolm |
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African leaders
02/07/2008 10:57
Well put Pitso, like you I am disappointed in the leadership. I have come to a sad conclusion, be it may, as it is, it's trasparent that African leaders are very indecisive. They cannot stand and be counted. There is definitely no direction amongst them. It's all about greed. They treat the countries as if it's companies formed by their families, which they have a right to the legacies. A govt of national unity is now African countries rotten leaders answer to hanging on to power when defeated. - Democracy |
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The People.
02/07/2008 10:57
The problem is more with the people than the leaders. The people continue to support the evil leaders for the wrong reasons (because they are anti-west). Please people, vote for integrity, not for past freedom fighters. - Silver Surfer |
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AU United
02/07/2008 11:00
...and Mbeki is the leader of all the african tyrants....watch out, he is a sheep in wolves clothing! - Jon |
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Pitso
02/07/2008 11:01
Very good article however did anyone expect more from them? I certainly didn't. Africans have never been able to sort out an African mess and Zimbabwe is one BIG mess at the mo. I'm 100% behind the stricter sanctions being proposed. These sanctions will target the guilty ones behind the Zim mess. Freeze their assests, ban them from travelling the world & force them to spend their Z$'s in Harare and Bulawayo. - John Camp |
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True
02/07/2008 11:02
The only for something constructive to happen in zim is for U.S. to impose sanctions on any African country that does not act on Zim, and that includes SA. Watch how qucikly Mbeki and his useless puppets take action. People critisize the West for not providing aid to Africa..well can you blame them????? On the subject of dictators, action should be taken to get rid of Gaddafi, hes a joke and a moron and a disgrace to Africa. Brothe Africa? More like Brother idiot - Marc |
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no shame in eating and dining!!
02/07/2008 11:02
The enemy is neither in the East, nor is the solutions in the West, but African patriots should rise up and start making independent decision to benefit Africans. How long will this injustice end? How long will the west continue to impose themselves on the African agenda? In the absence of a legitimate election in Zimbabwe then the former president should continue with his term until a free and fair election is conducted. and for the record Pitso there is no shame in eating and dining, why must other presidents starve because Mugabe rigged the votes? - Kolobe |
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Well said!
02/07/2008 11:08
Pitso, well said and eloquently put!
(is there any chance you'd get into politics - we need good men like you around to keep things sane) - fedup |
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Couldnt agree more...
02/07/2008 11:09
Be careful though, you will be labelled a puppet for speaking with your own mouth.
Whats even more depressing is that coward Bush. What, no oil? So no need to liberate the people then hey.
Brown, Bush, bunch of cowards. Mugabe, Mbeki, the rest, bunch of dictators.
This world is screwed. - Steve |
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AU united bhind bullies
02/07/2008 11:09
Spot on Pitso. - Coen Basson |
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AU has no backbone
02/07/2008 11:09
unfortunately all the countries are corrupt in the AU so obviously they can't be tough on zimbabwe when their own houses are dirty. I am grateful the EU has told zimbabwe where they belong a well as the rest of africa. Africa is just holding back the rest of the world. With africa out of control it will be difficult for the world to unite like the west has united it is better the west forget about africa, soon africa will fall in the depths of darkness and forgottten about. - mandoza |
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No Nada No!!!
02/07/2008 11:09
Nada. It is not the West or the EU looking at Africa, it is Africa looking towards the West and EU everytime something is wrong. Maybe the West and EU should step back and let Africa disappear completly to the Dark Continent that it once was........By the way stepping back also means pulling out ALL investment, medical aid, food aid, military aid, financial aid etc etc. I wonder how many of the so called "Leaders of Liberation" will fell about that? - Graham |
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100%
02/07/2008 11:09
Thank you for the great article, i personaly think the AU was formed to show the west they could compete with the EU and the U.S. Unfortunately no thought was put into the fact that the EU and the U.S can sort things out while the world laughs at the AU and africa as a whole. - Danny |
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Begging Bowl
02/07/2008 11:10
Strange phenomenon - Africa declares that this is an AFRICAN problem which must be solved by Africans - however, the African leaders are quick with their begging bowls to beg for financial and food aid. Why don't they sort it out themselves? Leaders in Africa are the essence of the problem - the African way is to hold onto power at ALL costs. - True Blue SA |
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@Kolobe, so much speak of agenda but none of what the agenda is...
02/07/2008 11:17
Kolobe just so we're clear. What is the African Agenda? - MP3 |
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True words you have spoken but nobody hears...
02/07/2008 11:17
You have managed to eloquently compile an article that communicates the feelings and observations of millions and yet the militant, brainwashed followers will brand you a turncoat and call you a puppet of the master. They have not realised that the enemy they so fear and fight has long since died a sorry death and that the intentions of those offering help is not with evil in their hearts. Their misguided paranoia is our downfall and we are all at the mercy of their madness and greed. - Karen |
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Hear Hear!
02/07/2008 11:17
Another fantastic piece, mate! And although it has all been said before, we will keep saying it and calling their bluff, until fairness and justice are realities in Africa. - ramone |
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@africa for africans
02/07/2008 11:19
Why don't you have a look at the definition of a dictator before making such a stupid comment. It is obvious to all those with any sense that Zimbabwe is a disaster area purely based on failing leadership. This West vs Africa attitude that all excuses for failed leadership are based on is pathetic. Get over yourself. - James |
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@Kolobe
02/07/2008 11:19
Hey dude, this piece is about the AU, not Western interference. But talking of which, Africa cannot and will not solve their own problems. They cannot. How convenient for you to think the ANC came into power without Western intervention. Does that not make you a bigot with a very short memory? When it suits Africa they accept help from the West. Mugabe had no problem taking and lining his own pockets with UK money. The AU is a farce my brother comrade. - Pietskiet |
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@Kolobe
02/07/2008 11:20
Have you borrowed a page from George Charamba or Bright Matonga's scripts or something? All you ever do is blame Africa's self made woes on the West.Mugabe wrought all of this carnage Kolobe,nobody else.Nobody told him and his cronies to start helping themselves to the MILLIONS of Pounds that the UK was giving to them as part of the Lancaster House Agreement.Can you blame Britain for stopping the payments then? - The Truth |
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African Leaders
02/07/2008 11:21
Fellow Africans, please take heart. The old order of people like Mugabe, Idi Amin, Mobutu, Thabo Mbeki, Gadhafi, Bongo and their like will come to pass. I am referring to the sit-tight lot who once elected to be heads of state, they will try to cling to power for life.The new kids on the block like Odinga, Kikwete and Khama are giving us hope. Things may not be good for us, but our children and grand children will have it better. This heartless dictators will long be gone. - Lacoste |
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One world
02/07/2008 11:22
Good read. However, no country or continent in the world can depend only upon themselves in the modern day economy. To make claims like Africa needs to look after itself, is pointless, because in the end we need international trade to survive. If the so called "West" would decide today to dissociate it from Africa, millions would die because of a lack of food and health aid. So lets be realistic about this. The west is helping africa, so they do have a say about what should happen here. - Andy |
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AU Summit
02/07/2008 11:22
Poor Thabo when will he learn? - AP |
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Hand's off Mbeki !!!(While i agree with John Camp)
02/07/2008 11:25
Its only South Afica that has managed to sort out their mess!I only just wonder what the Barking about Mbeki doing nothing or labelled a fox in a sheep's skin is all about?Of course Africa's next generation is facing a bleak future thanks to this Tyranny, but Blaming the man who has brought upon a change for better (Economically or otherwise)in SA is a total unfair & typical South African display of appreciation!! - Les-Maada |
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Zimbabwe
02/07/2008 11:25
If I'm not mistaken the first round of election was deemed free and fair and Morgan won, that was the will of Zimbabwe. Why is it then that with a unity Mugabe must lead? Please explain!! Africa clearly favours dictatorship and human right violations, they showing the rest of the world over and over again!! - Point Blank |
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Africans till this day feel the pain of Colonisation
02/07/2008 11:25
everytime i look at my uncle i see the effects of Apartheid. Our leaders always exploit this pain and use it to misrule the nations.
We should only appoint people that don't need the presidency to create their own wealth. People like Patrice Motsepe, Cyril Ramaphosa e.t.c.
What would JZ be doing if he wasn't a politician? The answer to that should determine if he's fit to hold office or not. - tshepo |
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African Agenda
02/07/2008 11:27
The african agenda is based on the notion of Africa for Africans, African people making independent decision without the interferences of outside factors for the advancement of African people, clearly for more than 400 years that western contries were involved in this continent, all they did was pillage our resource and steal everything that belongs to our children,EU and the west should stay way from the African continent! Clearly the EU has heard the message loud and clear now, simply put by the Zimbabwean presidential spokesperson, they can go and hang 1000 times if they will, Africans are becoming hardened by the western propaganda agendas, and this mugabe saga is clearly displaying the underlying anger and disapproval. - Kolobe |
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Kolobe
02/07/2008 11:27
What injustice are you talking about?
If the incumbent president is guilty of marring the election in order to continue his term, how can it be legal or acceptable that he just continue with his term? If he gets away with destroying one election, what possible incentive is there for him to allow any elections to have legitimate outcomes? - Richard |
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AU united behind bullies
02/07/2008 11:28
What transpired in Egypt is a real circus.Mugabe calls for an election against the agreement that he had with the then opposition, which talks were brokered by Mbeki. Opposition cried foul and he said if the opposition was not ready, it was their baby to nurse. The election comes and he is beaten hands down. Manipulates the result so that there is no absolute winner. Butchers the opposition to regain the presidency. A wrong precedence has been set.AU, SADC are toothless bulldog.Plse disband. - Panashe |
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Intermediate government?
02/07/2008 11:29
Power sharing won't happen in Zim, only on Bob's terms. How clever that evil man is. No solution will come from Africa. At least the NP handed over power to the people, but will Mugabe hand his ruined country over? Never, there is still some crumbs left and resources to rape and people to intimidate the good old African genocide way. What did the ANC get? A country with lots of potential and infrastructure and an economy that works for and benefits the poor!!!!. Did you think about that Kolobe?? - Pietskiet |
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Well Done!!!
02/07/2008 11:30
Commendations for seing it and telling it like it is, Pitso. In your fearless attack of the African heirachy, you are aware that you will be branded by the staunch Mbeki,ANC, "Comrades" supporters who comment here, of being a sell out, coconut, blind fool,plus,plus. Africa's only hope is that SAcans see this sham and really take control of SA's future at the next elections-because what we see in Africa's leaders today and options for tomorrow, is PATHETIC. - Sean |
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And we should stop looking at the WESTbut
02/07/2008 11:30
at neighbouring Botswana, this country is a model of a rising democratic nation in Africa.
Did i mention that they report crime stats monthly? - tshepo |
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African leaders are all hiding skeletons
02/07/2008 11:31
African leaders cry foul of the west and bring up colonialism and imperialism all the time, as it provides them with an excuse to continue murdering their own people and pushing through their despotic agendas. Mugabe is pure evil and African leaders are so up their own ar$es trying to protect a "fellow liberator" in order to maintain their lifestyles that they will let him continue getting away with murder. They ALL have a number of very bony skeletons in their closets. - Jas |
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Thank you Pitso
02/07/2008 11:31
Thank you for reminding me that there is hope for Africa, as long as people apply their own minds while evaluating a situation objectively. We need more people like you in this country. - Jaco |
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Democracy in name only
02/07/2008 11:32
African countries despite claiming to adhere to the processes of democracy, still in terms of behaviour operate as personal fiefdoms and kingdoms. 1 man at the top, and everything else is subservient. The king is always right. Nothing has changed really, they just call them presidents now. - AJ |
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@Les-Maada, Shame, Falicy that SA has sorted out mess!
02/07/2008 11:32
Explain what mess you are referring to. See very little of things that work as it should in SA. Do yourself a favour (you sometimes come accross as intellectual, not like Kolobe), loose the blinkers, they are blinding you. To solve any problem, you have to recognise the problem 1st. Only then can you DO something about it. - Matrix |
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africans stand together!
02/07/2008 11:33
The west loot our minerals and re-design them in their countries and sell them back to us with inflated prices, they loot our gold and make a gold watch to sell it with and inflated price, they take our oil in Nigeria and re-sell it to us with inflated prices, they take our iron ore and make steel cars for us at inflated prices, how long will we continue to hoodwinked by the imperialist?this is an injustice against this continent, he should make decisions that will only please us Africans. we are tired of pleasing the world at the expense of our own brothers. - Kolobe |
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tshepo - right you here
02/07/2008 11:34
We need SELFLESS leaders. Even ourselves, helping our neighbours is where it starts. Even if its just giving them a roll of toilet paper if they run out. We need to care more. No person is an island :) - Sinudeity |
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tshepo - Botswana
02/07/2008 11:42
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! If I do decide to up and go someday, Id rather move to Botswana than any other country. Proud day, was when Festus Gontebanye Mogae stepped down at the end of his Presidential term, and the ENTIRE COUNTRY honoured him. Mbeki will ALSO be cheered when his terms ends, but not because he did a good job. - Sinudeity |
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@tshepo
02/07/2008 11:43
100% agree with you, on both your comments. As much as white folks want to make right the wrongs of the past, constantly having African leaders use this as excuses and justifications, it will never be resolved. And yes, Botswana, how the heck are they doing it? Would be nice if they said something bout Zim though, also being a neighbour. - ramone |
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No Leaders
02/07/2008 11:44
The problem is that the best and most able leaders of mankind never run for president or involve themselves in politics. What we are left with are those who seem to, based on their actions, take advantage of their positions at the peoples expense. This is a global phenomenon. - A-Man |
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Kolobe
02/07/2008 11:45
Nigeria sells the oil, it is not stolen - soeak to Nigerian Government, same goes for minerals, blame african 'government', as I said before no-one hurts africa like africans. You excuse your leaders everything and berate the west for donating aid. You're an angry nobody, no wonder your own treat you like rubbish. - AJ |
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What is your point PITSO?
02/07/2008 11:46
Pitso, I fail to understand the point of your article. Firstly more than half of heads states in AU are not elected democraticaly in their own countries. So what did you expect them to say about Mugabe other than congradulate him. The West have nothing to do with Zimbabwe, actually they are worsening the situation by meddling where they are not required. They are undermining the mediation efforts of SADC led by Mbeki. The west have failed to bring peace in IRAQ and Afghanistan. - Azania |
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Pitso my man!
02/07/2008 11:47
Lets go for Coffee!! - DWP |
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UN Meeting
02/07/2008 11:54
Pitso my man, thank you for this article, as someone else has said people like you give us hope for the future, that we can make this country work.as for Kolobe he is just taking the piss out of us or otherwise he must be related to Mugabe. - Herman Gibson |
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ramone - Botswana
02/07/2008 11:55
Was the FIRST African country to condemn Zimbabwe. Hats off to them. Im immigrating to Botswana. Sure they NEED and WILL appreciate my skills. - Sinudeity |
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AU United
02/07/2008 11:56
An article, Pitso, written from the heart I would suspect. I agree with Rory - what a pity it can't be circulated to all the so called leaders so that they can see what the normal man in the street thinks of their actions. I keep getting the impression they are scared of their own shadows, and so can't point a finger at a tyrant and despot. As long as they remain a team, in their eyes all is right with the world. Lunacy. - Dee |
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@Les-Maada
02/07/2008 12:05
"The man who has brought about a change for the better"? What the hell has Mbeki done to deserve this praise? The people who know what they're doing might deserve this, not our leader who ducks and dives to avoid all critical decisions! - Rob |
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@Pitso
02/07/2008 12:06
Good Article mfana! However, do you agree with me when i say the WEST needs to step back and give the AU & SADC space to find solutions for this continent? i bet you, the AU & SADC knows that Mugabe is f**king up but the last thing they need, is to be seen as PUPPETS. Its called pride my friend & history makes it even more complex. - jojo |
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Liberation Heroes holding the continent to ransom
02/07/2008 12:09
Most of Africa is controlled by ex liberation movements leaders or their annointend successors. To them everything from the West is evil. China, India, Brazil, Vietnam etc .were also colonies and they took the best the West has to offer and moved on. No harping about colonialisation. The only colonilastion is of the mind which is currently engulfing African leaders. Just dissappers Pleaaze. Africa needs to move forward. - Tebzano |
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WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR ???
02/07/2008 12:14
After reading " all " these articles on Zim. i just wonder why 99% of the people critisizes Mbeki, 99% of the people definetly did not vote against the ANC in the last ellections ?? - JB |
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@Kolobe
02/07/2008 12:17
Do you ever have a chip on your shoulder about the west! If it wasn't for western technology and vision, the oil, gold and other minerals would still be in the ground and Africa wouldn't even know it was there or identify with it's value, because you don't need them to hunt for food in your loin cloth. We all know it's hard for you to admit, but Africa would be a lost "island" without the west, oblivious to what it was missing. David Bullard was right and got wrapped for saying so. - Sean |
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Leaders!
02/07/2008 12:23
I re-iterate, lets start a new party, im glad that more and more people are seeing the light! what good will it do to us if we see this light and not follow it? i suppose we have people enough to make a sound convincing party...i heard comments from dedicated people although a few blames came about. in any case, i still feel we have to take responsibility and the only way to do it is if people with clear visions can be in charge!!!lets take action - odirilwe |
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Tebzano
02/07/2008 12:24
Good article Pitso. Nice comment Tebzano, I hope Kolobe reads it.... - SB |
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The Truth
02/07/2008 12:34
I accepted that Mugabe should be removed and we condemned with contempt his violent behaviour, yet I clearly specified that the west should remove their dirty fingers out of the African aganda... - Kolobe |
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reality check
02/07/2008 12:37
I work for a government institution and believe me most of my collegues are in total disagreement with the way that Mugabe is protected by the AU. I also have a great number of very talented young black people in my department and none come across long the Kolobes of the world. They actually get on with the job and accept people for who they are not for where they come from 400 years ago. Kolobe is the epitomy of racism - he would have made a great Nat. - gavinl |
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Excellent Article
02/07/2008 12:38
Such a shame that Mugabe has been allowed to poison relationships and destabilise the whole region with his blatant racism and suicidal economic policies. It is abundantly clear that Mugabe and ZanuPF have no answers to the economic disaster they have created in Zimbabwe. It is even more tragic that Mbeki is so intent on prolonging the suffering of the Zimbabwe people and lending active support to an evil tyrant. The economic costs of his immoral policies will be felt by SA for years to come. - Steve |
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comment
02/07/2008 12:41
Pitso,your article has amny truths,but is also too emotive and unsubstantiated.Its also marred by opinion at the expense of objectivity.Yes ,I acknowledge that Africa is too lily-livered when it comes to zim, but remember that we cannot afford to allow the 'West' to regain contro;l of Africa, or rather to take what little of it that they dont already control.That is the message that Rbert Mugabe is trying to relay.This is after all, independence.Think about it. - maxmillan |
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For and against Mugabe
02/07/2008 12:44
Well said Pitso. It would seem that Angola, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Libya, Namibia, and South Africa are among those that are more sympathetic to Mugabe while Botswana, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Tanzania and Zambia are among those nations more critical to Mugabe. I would be interested in finding a website that details each of the African nations' position on Mugabe. Do any of you know of such a website? - Ngoato |
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Re Kolobe coment's on mynews24
02/07/2008 12:46
1) Great Article Pitso!!! 2) I have a problem with Kolobe?s coments. Now, I might be wrong but then he must clarify. When you use the word African, do you mean people living in Africa or exclusively black people? And when you say ?West? do you mean European countries or white people?? Because then your commentary is entirely based on race and therefore racist in nature. - kan-wil-sal |
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I just read an Interesting article...
02/07/2008 13:14
It says robbers believe they are entitled to steal from the rich!!! Crime linked to poverty my foot! These people are just opportunists, looking for a free lunch...just like the rest of this continent. I never realised a hard days work was taboo in Africa! - Truth |
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Bullies
02/07/2008 13:17
Europe and USA also unite behind Israeli bullies. - Geyser |
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Kolobe Comment
02/07/2008 13:18
It is so funny that some people are so vocal in support of our brothers in Africa, yet kill them when they infiltrate our country and chase them back to their African States. Maybe you are one who makes a lot of noise but doesn't really care about your African brothers. Grow up Kolobe - Thembi |
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There are way too many dictators in the AU
02/07/2008 13:18
How can one dictator condone another one? I mean come on, of course they will not because one day Mugabe will back them when they pull stunts in their own home countries. The AU is a joke. Tebzano I like your attitude,Africa needs to move forward and not be held hostage by dictators. - M |
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While on the subject of
02/07/2008 13:18
"western" imperialism and colonialization, may I point out that Australia, New-Zealand and Canada are still colonies. They seem to thrive. Maybe the problem is Africa, and people like Kolobe. I personally think Kolobe is some white guy just stirring the racism pot. (-: - hjs |
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Kolobe
02/07/2008 13:19
If you term what Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe an "African agenda" then you are insulting all africans. - John Camp |
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How caring are we
02/07/2008 13:22
So much noise Kolobe. We are a bunch of hypocrites in this country. We chase our African brothers from our country and blame it on Zenophobia, yet we play the innocent in our comments. Mugabe is a disgrace to the world not only to Africa and it has nothing to do with colour, just as Hitler was dispised by the world. It is not about colour, it is about morals. Our Zimbabwean brothers are suffering yet we promote Mugabe and the views of African Leaders. Not me!!! Sorry - Thembi |
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pitso & kolobe
02/07/2008 13:22
First of all, great article Pitso. To the know it all Kolobe. What will your feeling be towards the west being USA if Obama should become president. Will the west still be evil.... Secondly, do you have any usefull insight into a serious situation that effects all African country's. and ALL the people in them? - M |
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Botswana
02/07/2008 13:36
Let's put Botswana on the record. Well run, stable, has condemned the current Zimbabwe "President" and his regime in far stronger terms than any other OAU member. - Big Bad Bob |
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AU & Kolobe
02/07/2008 13:38
Kolobe, i took part in a radio programme on Monday night via the BBC. The person i was talking to on the other end of the phone was Rejoice in Bulawayo. God alone only knows how she still keeps it together & maintains a sense of humour! I was crying whilst talking to her. Kolobe, think before you put pen to paper again. Oh & please can we stop the Mugabe bandwagon - the more we talk about this man the more he enjoys it. Boycott all writing on the idiot. - Grace |
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John Camp
02/07/2008 13:42
Zimbabwe is part of Africa or is it not?therefore africans should continue to solve their own problems...No to the west...News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views...and therefore this is my expression thank you news24... - Kolobe |
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@Maxmillan, Dont you realise the west manipulate world economy?
02/07/2008 13:46
Fuel, Gold, exchange rate, etc, (Stock exchanges) all in $ price, just as example. If USA goes into recession, the rest of the world goes into recession. If USA invades Iraq / against terrorism, the world suffers in a number of ways. They (USA & UK/Europe) already directly influences (mostly control) the world. take Internet as another example. You would not be commenting on this forum if not for MS & WWW. Independance & being free is a fantacy. - Matrix |
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@M
02/07/2008 13:55
Obama will never be president of the US! The average american voted for bush - twice!! A person with such a mindset will NEVER vote for a black person or a woman!! - Fraud |
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Undermining the democratic concept.
02/07/2008 14:15
This latest concept of a "government of national unity" is a total denial of the concept of democracy. It sends the message that a political group that loses an election can grab power by violence and then wait for the AU to rap it over the knuckles and tell it to include their opponents in govt. whilst they still retain the ultimate power. As for Kolobes theft of minerals concept, those minerals are worthless till turned into something useful (added value). That's the western (and eastern) way. - DavidD |
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Freemasons
02/07/2008 14:15
A friend of mine mentioned yesterday that Mugabe & Mbeki are both freemasons, and the reason for Mbeki's silence is because Mugabe is a higher ranking Freemason. - cvz |
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Kolobe
02/07/2008 14:19
This "African Agenda" you refer to is made up of corruption, fraud, murder, poverty and disease, because that is all the dictators in Africa have wrought upon their people. You blame the West, but you, like Mugabe, know the truth. You clearly are ok with an education and a computer and a car etc and you know that in order to maintain that, you have to keep people voting the right way, hey Comrade. I suspect that you care for Africans about as much as Mugabe. - Jas |
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