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Dowd
11/07/2008 11:22
1. Craig Dowd is a great (and vastly experienced) prop.
2. He was responding to PdV's comments about illegal tactics in the front row.
3. He called him a muppet, not a puppet.
4. Craig is a Maori.(Racist??)
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I'm not a racist but...
11/07/2008 11:23
I am not at all a racist...but you agree the coach is a puppet.Does it mean only white people should be appointed coaches,and what do you then call that? - Godfrey |
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Springbok Rugby
11/07/2008 11:24
Well Said! - Stuart |
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Naive
11/07/2008 11:27
PDV even took a chance to call Dowd a racist. Well almost... Check out the article earlier this morning. Heres the qoute: "If it is racism or not, I've found out that in South Africa it's a big thing, racism, but in other countries, especially here and in Australia it is big too, really big, so maybe you can ask him that." I've lost a lot of respect for old Div... and I really wanted to support him despite his AA appointment.
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correct
11/07/2008 11:28
u are being racist - he has lost one game against the all blacks AWAY. - fern |
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You're going to cop it
11/07/2008 11:28
Oh Thys, I don't think you need to be particularly clairvoyant to predict you're going to pick up some flak for this. I think though that your analysis is objective and PDV would do well to take it on the chin and prove his detractors wrong with his results as opposed to his mouth. - Gail |
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you are a racist
11/07/2008 11:30
this kind of "incompetence" talk was always going to happen with pieter de villiers' first loss. you were all waiting patiently for him to fail so you could unleash your apartheid formed perceptions that a white man is always better for ANY job.
i dont see how you can suggest a logical link between pieter devilliers having been selected for his coaching abilities AND for fitting with saru's transformation goals. how does that make him a puppet?
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Dom Doos
11/07/2008 11:30
And your point is, what coaching experience did Jake White had prior to his stint as Bok coach?...He was a school boy rugby and thechnical advisor for Kitch. Are you sure your name is not Craig Dowd? - Jays a Doos |
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Al weer
11/07/2008 11:34
Why does NEWS24 like to spread negative critism of everything black like this? What is up with you white people? You can never be happy and satisfied. Jeezzz... - MR T |
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LOOK
11/07/2008 11:34
Its not surprising to here comments like that from countries like Australia and NZ its a litle haven for this kind of things maybe like many of your likes did you should also consider migrating to such countries. You sad you are not a racist but tell me since when is a transformational appointee a puppet. Shame on you man! I think you need to take an introspective. - Lamola |
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As much as....
11/07/2008 11:35
I hate to say it, I hope the Bokke get a hiding tomorrow. It will show De Villiers and the world that an AA candidate is not always the best man for the job. We see this daily in SA, the best person for the job is overlooked, and a "puppet" put in to keep the puppet-masters happy. Tomorrow is definitely going to be a BLACK day. Pun intended. - TruthBeTold |
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What Then?
11/07/2008 11:35
What will Div say after tomorrows game, They lost because of their Captain not playing. Please note I am not saying If they lose, that is a given, only the score difference will matter. Then comes the Ausies, that will be even worse. - CVUK |
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overreacting
11/07/2008 11:36
Thys, I think it might have been a bit more prudent to wait until monday before you wrote this article. We have only lost 1 test since PDV started, and that was against the All Blacks's in their backyard. This weekend we have another chance and who knows, maybe the Boks will redeem themselves and your article would then seem silly. Giving someone a chance does not mean to give him 1 chance to face the All Blacks in a wet Wellington, before you start slating him. - konstabel |
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why justify your non racism
11/07/2008 11:37
Just make your point and take the insults and labels on the chin like you suggest for peter de villiers. Otherwise you'll sound like the waterkloof 4. - Funnybones |
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Do some research
11/07/2008 11:39
Do you even know pdv background. He didn't stuble from the beach into the position of head coach of the springboks. He is well educated in rugby circles. The man lost one test against the all blacks away from home and this is what he gets??? Every test Jake White played against AB away from home he lost. Give the guys some time to build his team ... - Andre Kotze |
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You're a racist and stupid
11/07/2008 11:40
Yeah, you sure stuck your foot in it this time Thys. I'd say you're not only aone eyed racist but you know nothing about rugby either. Jake White's teams never won a test match in New Zealand, they got creamed 40-0 in Australia, Jake went on to say all sorts of ridiculous things in the media, and make all sorts of farcical selections, but he's OK. Only P de Villiers is a puppet, I already respect this new coach, and I hope his team beats the AB's for the first time in 10 years on NZ soil. Moron! - Ant |
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AA causes a slide in standards
11/07/2008 11:40
By no stretch of the imagination has PdV selected the best possible team based on merit. He was appointed to push "transformation" (Racism). I South Africa do not beat the Aussies twice I will no longer support the "Boks". PdV IS a puppet of Stofile. - Stryder |
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Jays a doos...
11/07/2008 11:42
..Jake White coached the under 21 springboks to world cup victory before he became springbok coach. - morne |
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Godfrey
11/07/2008 11:43
Yes - Leon |
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its just a game!
11/07/2008 11:46
Guys, we love rugby, its just a game. Why not let everyone give it a go...thats what we did when we were kids...its just a game...be coool!!
Every white in this country is here for a reason to, because its beautiful. Stop this rascist poking..really if you were meeting me in real life would u be like this?? Zack
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TrtuhbeTold Shut Up
11/07/2008 11:47
I would love to see your face when PDv becomes the first black coach to beat New Zealand @ home after10 years .speak the TRUTH and shame the devil - Sicelo |
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Accept it.
11/07/2008 11:48
U sound as if u never accepted that this Black Man is a head coach and u don't have a clear Rugby history.
If you compare the Experience that The present coach has to what Jake White had when he became head coach u will realise that Peter is more experienced.
Thanks to the Boks and Hon. Jake White for bringing the World Cup back to Azania sorry to the racist I suggest they go for counselling. - isefas |
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pieter was right
11/07/2008 11:48
when jake white took the job he had similar experience having coached junior national sides. in fact, pieter is more experienced having coached at provincial level before. the rusty performances were as a result of a new direction in our style and a new coaching regime. very few new coaches start off with resounding performances. i dont know anyone who is willing to do the same job as their predocessor for less. he was right in demanding the same salary because their would be the same expectation - paul |
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SA COACH
11/07/2008 11:49
I live in NZ, local papers reported De Villiers earlier this year as saying "SA will have first 4 teams in super 14". Some SA rugby gurus predicted Springbok victory due to a "weakened" All Black side. De Villiers learned the hard way, boasting before , or after a game , is not on in this part of the world, and not part of Springbok tradition. Is this the beginning of a new era. - grietjie |
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I am not a racist
11/07/2008 11:49
maar hoekom is jy so swaart. Thats what you sound like! - Funnybones |
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Giving the coach the benefit of the doubt
11/07/2008 11:51
Pieter has the same win ratio against NZ in NZ as what Jake White had. (that is ZERO). Furthermore, his pre appointment coaching experience is similar to that of Mr White. Why do we always insist on slamming the coaches after a loss? (and here I am giving Thys the benefit of the doubt and assuming that it has nothing to do with Mr. De Villier's skin colour.) - Peter |
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The Boks are going to get zapped tomorrow
11/07/2008 11:53
The Springboks were lucky not to face the All Blacks in the World Cup, due to a fluke loss of NZ to France. Even if Jake White or Heyneke Meyer were in charge, they'd still lose. The scrum was already a problem under White in France. Where I agree however is that PdV is totally out of his depth as Bok coach, and that he makes naive statements. He also lets his politics cause poor team choices. Choosing Watson, even on the bench, and leaving the likes of Steyn out, is purely politically motivated. - Afrikaner |
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Let's me start off ...
11/07/2008 11:55
by saying that anybody who knows anything about living in a multi-cultural society never has to start their sentences with "...I am not racist". If you are not a racist, why do you even have to declare it? And surprise, surprise, not only does your article have racist overtones but its a really "thick" rugby argument. Winning in New Zealand is not a given, and get it into your head that we were only World Champions at that tournament...not in the tri-nations! - Primate |
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give the guy a chance
11/07/2008 11:56
Whilst I agree he needs to keep his comments in check (where the hell is the team's media manager??) I find the views around his ability as a coach premature in the extreme. Clearly he made some selection and tactical errors but people need to have some perspective. He has admitted he made some mistakes and is trying to rectify them- unlike some of our previous coaches who could never admit fault. What people must also realise is that the majority of those criticizing him are not racist- it is the nature of the South African sports fan to be critical. Just ask our South African cricket captain who has taken enormous flak for his lack of tact and supposed ineptness. If we win tomorrow a lot of people are going to have egg on their faces. - patrick bateman |
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Let's face it...
11/07/2008 11:57
Let's be realistic-we were never going to beat the All Blacks last week PdV or not. They are a damn good team (Super 14??).Stop all this about PdV.There's tension in NZ because of the Smit incident and this is spilling over to others.What happened to Smit was BAD and I agree theres no parity in the punishment.Lets support the world champions no matter what guy - have you seen the coaches assistants CV's?Whr does it stop-with us opening our traps! - Thabo |
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Off The Field...
11/07/2008 11:57
Psyching your opponent out, when you're not on the field, or in the ring, is a big part of sport: if you've lost the mind-game, you're going to lose the physical game.
PDV should know this, c'mon, it's 101. Round 1 to Kiwi psych.
In future, say nothing - no boasting, bragging, innuendos, etc - just smile and wave, boys! - CrisisOfFaith |
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Come on now
11/07/2008 11:57
What does it matter what race PDV is, its to early to decide his fate now, come on now give him and the team a chance, lets just support our team. - Lapi |
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Whatever
11/07/2008 11:58
Let's see what the comments will be in 2 years time, when the World Cup is long forgotten and we have slipped to number 8 in the rugby rankings. The rugby team is on the same slippery slope as the soccer team and the rest of this sad country. We want everything for free, goverment must just provide and we can just sit around and do nothing and 3 days a year get up from our lazy chairs and dance and sing stupid songs and the rest of the world must take care of us. That is not how it works. - Whatever |
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Racist
11/07/2008 11:58
I have no idea why Peter the DIV had to open his mouth to the media about cheating. Of course, how could you expect the NZ media and rugby fraternity to shut up about it? So someone responded. Then Div responded.And now Div went from a whiner to playing the race card. Surely someone needs to groom him in the ways of the media. He is an embarrassment. Oh, im not white, and this has NOTHING to do with race, this whole debacle. - TS |
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SHOCKED WITH NARROW MINDS
11/07/2008 12:00
SHOCKED WITH NARROW MINDS why is it when there is a debacle its apartheid its racism, its called criticisim. Jake White also got it when he was losing how useless he was then he proved everyone wrong. Make him white and in aid of transformation then it will be that he cant do it because his white. At the end of the day the man best for the job should be picked not because he will fall in line for transformation. That is a muppet. - Coert |
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All of you here sound very much racist
11/07/2008 12:01
All of here are racist and it's even in your language. It's high time now that you get transformation in your heads. We want equality and it must be forced it if has to, even if it means at the expense of performance. - Sello |
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Thys you are a bitter & sad human being
11/07/2008 12:01
Few points
1. 49-0 2 yrs ago vs Aus , what do you call that and it was a white man caoching the team
2. 53-3 vs Eng , it was a white coach
3. 28-0 vs All Blacks , it was a white coach
4. The referee on Saturday yes a white man....
All of the above instances you did'nt once hear the person was/is a puppet despite useless performances by these(white)guys. I can still name alot of these cases. PDV lost one game ps no coach could win there for the last 10 yrs but now this guy is a puppet.
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Always the Racism Flag!
11/07/2008 12:02
I don't know much about Mr De Villiers and frankly don't give a hoot if the Springbok coach or all of the players in the team are as black as the ace of spades or white as snow so long as they are there on merit. I am, however, tired of hearing the cry of 'Racism' from predictable quarters whenever a black person is accused of poor performance. Slavery, Colonialism, Apartheid - all of these are advanced as excuses for violence, crime, corruption and inefficiency on the African Continent. - Peter |
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After the 4th game
11/07/2008 12:02
Not one coach in the past ten years has managed to beat NZ at home. I know that is no excuse but you can at least give the guy a break. If we go through the entire season without winning a game then we can call for his head but not after 1 loss. - Brenton |
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Relax
11/07/2008 12:04
Just wait for him to build up a record over a few seasons and then you can all comment on success or failure. 3 games is a bit premature for that. - craig |
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P De Villiers
11/07/2008 12:07
Well, we lost one. Forget the rhetoric. Stand up and fight back. Propaganda means nothing. The end score on the day counts. Pieter you have another chance tomorrow. Try again. - Jim |
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Watch the open space
11/07/2008 12:07
You know we as South Africans are really funny! i can see all the negative comments being said, but I guarantee you should the Boks win tommorrow, people like Stuart, Balbyter, TruthBeTold, CVUK and company will say well done what a performance....damn hypocrytes...you make me sick, its people like you that give rugby a bad name(colour wise), what only white people are suppose to play rugby...and yes I am white - sportsfan |
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U Racist
11/07/2008 12:10
Did Jake ever beat NZ In their home soil, i don't think so.this is a stupid and racist comment,i just wonder why it was published in the first place.we are not stupid, you are a racist and you know it. - Bokamoso |
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RUGBY
11/07/2008 12:10
Every single one of you make me sick. It is always about racism, get over it now it makes me sick. I agree with Zack it is only a game. For the amount of money the rugby players get paid they should start playing better. And for the coach I don't like him and not because he is black. - Pearl |
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No Racist
11/07/2008 12:10
I hear you, Thys. What you meant to say was that you're not a racist, but you just think that coloured/Black guys aren't competent to do anything but clean after you. Nah, that doesn't make you racist at all! - Ant |
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I'm a big fan of Jake's
11/07/2008 12:10
but how many games did he win in NZ again? When's the last time anyone beat NZ in their back yard? What debacle are you talking about Thys, because you can't seriously call losing to NZ, in NZ, a debacle, can you ?Granted PDV is a bit naive when it comes to dealing with the media but it's no train smash and he'll learn. Seriously, it does sound as if you've been dying for SA to lose so you could post this. - marcel |
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Bad Coaching
11/07/2008 12:11
DIV - you can be black,white,green,blue - it does not matter - you cant keep hiding behind behing your colour if you are just not good enough. Rather keep quiet and prove them wrong in the following test. - VEDDER |
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Article
11/07/2008 12:11
news 24 can you please tell me why do you publish such crap articles and please don't come with that crap you are just doing your job. I am sick and tired of that excuse. This Thys gentleman is bitter and a said human being, he does not even have all his facts straight about PDV but yet you publish such sh*t, thys is even worse than a puppet he is a basically just stupid ! ! - kevin |
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PdV vs JW, non-racial, logical analysis
11/07/2008 12:12
JW took a team & established baseline. Then had a plan & strategy, short, mediu, long term. Results of RWC proved him correct in approach. PdV took a winning team, manipulated it wrongly & the results speak for itself. Tomorrows prediction? 2nd best AB team win, just score, by how much, that is ? Crises changes (less AA than before) will NOT save the Boks from another loss. The fundamental problems, still not corrected in new team. - Matrix |
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Pulling the puppet strings
11/07/2008 12:12
Why is it that we white people r always negative about the coach.Hoskins said "I want to be honest with SA and say the appointment did not take into account only rugby reasons,".Take that in the true spirit,after all De Villiers was the best man for the job as Meyer only had Super14 experience whilst White had no experience&we said nothing.De Villiers brought a winning experience,the Emerging as well as the under 21 Boks & what did we bring? Nothing!! Thys,the 1st line exposses you as a, racist! - Sham |
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Racist Shmacist!!!
11/07/2008 12:12
Wow but he pulled the racist card quick!!! Seriously tho, I am sick and tired of that word!! It should be like saying the F word!!! It gets thrown around too liberally these days! But here we go again... Although at times it could be a case of racism...I highly doubt that is what maori dowd was trying to be!!! At the end of the day, SA fired the best coach in the world...is that not racism behind a veil? Lets just stop pointing colours and support the most AWESOME country in the world! - kevin |
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unfortunate
11/07/2008 12:13
1 common characteristic that racists posses is the denial of their racism, they say things like-i've got black or white friends!
exposed! - yungsta |
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2009 onwards I support NZ All Blacks.
11/07/2008 12:14
What am I then, also a racist???? - Matrix |
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What a can of worms
11/07/2008 12:14
Wow, there are no fence sitters here, you either love him or you hate him. The moment you disagree with some-one else's opinion you are labbelled as a racist. No wonder you Saffies are so pathetic, you fight amongst yourselves about absolutely anything. Just as well though, if you all pulled together you could possibly be the best at everything.
(just a thought, before AA selections 1992-2000?? you still lost to the AB, so what difference is it if you loose to them with 15 black players?) - Tank |
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Thys
11/07/2008 12:17
You correct in one thing, you are a racist. Why do you view JW's springbok appointment more qualified than the one of PDV. I mean they had both walked the same path. Jake White also had his bumpy ride. How many wins did he had in New Zealand? Under who's guidance did the boks suffer the 49-0 defeat? Just one defeat against All Blacks away and you couldn't wait to show your racist views. I don't even want to get into Hoskins comments. Recently he lied in Parliament about TV broadcast rights. - Z |
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A Little More Patience
11/07/2008 12:17
Unfortunately I could not watch the game against NZ, but considering that we played in NZ and in wet consitions that probably did not suit our game, the scoreline was not that disasterous. However, some of the team selections for for the second test are little strange and I did not like the tactics of bringing in racism as an issue in reply to comments by Dowd. I still believe that we should give Pieter more time to show his mettle. - Dr DoLittle |
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sometimes you win ,sometimes you loose...
11/07/2008 12:17
I'm sure if the Boks won last weekend PDV would be the best thing . Sorry we lost and we will try again. What's up with all you negative people?
Rugby has become a racist issue like everything else in this country. Enjoy this weekend's game...may the best team won!By the way I'm coloured... - cnj |
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PdV
11/07/2008 12:19
I say give Peter a chance. We haven't won in NZ for 10 years, now to suddenly expect it from him is asking too much. I must admit tho that we haven't really played like World champs in the last 3 games. Stay positive, guys! Go Bokke! - Werner |
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Have a Balanced Outlook
11/07/2008 12:20
You should be able to criticise the coach without fear of being called a racist. His skin colour should be totally irrelevant. On the other hand, as much as we love Jake White, he also made some stupid selections and tactical blunders on the long road to winning the World Cup. Lets give Div a chance, losing in New Zealand is no disgrace. If he continues to screw up we should criticise him like any other coach, black or white. - shaun |
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Here we go again ...
11/07/2008 12:21
Another racially charged article. As if we didn't know an article like this would go dig up all the racists again ... Firstly, Div is a new coach with the similar pedigree as Jake White, when White first came into International Bok rugby. Div has got enough knowledge and experience to go from here. His support structures are great too. Leave the guy alone and let's back him as a fellow South African. If some foreigner picks on him it's our duty to defend him. A fellow South African !!! - White_African |
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Funnybones
11/07/2008 12:26
I always saw you as a man of very good intellect, please don't spoil it. "maar hoekom is jy so swaart" has absolutely no bearing on the topic being discussed here. - John Camp |
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@grietjie
11/07/2008 12:29
Well I remember Jake White undermining Ireland before one Test match in Ireland. He went on to say only 2 players from that Ireland team would make his Bok squad. The Ireland played for the pride of their nation. My Point...ALL Bok coaches turn to boast about their players. PDV is not the first...and he won't be the last. Ofcourse it doesn't seem to be the great strategy. - Z |
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just chill bro
11/07/2008 12:30
Div should just ignore all the racists and just concentrate on doing a good Job cause people are gonna crush him even if he just lost to all black away which is what we'v been doing for the past 6/7 years - gogoog |
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Performance
11/07/2008 12:31
sello
"We want equality and it must be forced it if has to, even if it means at the expense of performance. - Sello"
Your partner must be crying.
Poor thing.
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Convenient to call people racist?
11/07/2008 12:34
I think a lot of people are using "racism" to cover up for poor performance. I don't think you'd be able to find a white south african with a rugby brain on his shoulders who would call Bryan Habana a second rate player. We don't care about colour, we care about the Boks winning. If a player/coach is good enough to be there then there will never be a problem, but isn't putting someone there based on his colour racism against white people? - Chris |
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Keep Peter Helium away from the media
11/07/2008 12:34
I really do think that Peter has the sources and the ability to make a success of his time as couch. But I have to agree that SARU DID say that his appointment was political, so why the fuss when someone else says it. My only problem with Peter is that he has no people skills or tact with regards to the media and should be kept away from press conferences, he always puts his foot in his mouth and embaresses SA. Keep to what you do best - Peter Helium indeed - Sharki |
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pulling the puppet strings
11/07/2008 12:34
what were jake white's credentials before coaching the boks?he was given a long run before he won world cup. yes pdv has made a few ill advised comments, but i didnt hear white people clamour for jakes dismissal even after not getting good results. - rayno |
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well said Thys
11/07/2008 12:35
I agree with Thys's comments. And to Paul saying we were waiting for pdv to fail, that is not correct, there is a difference between losing away to the AB, and losing the way we did on Sat, showing no structure or gameplan whatsoever, remember JW also lost away to Ab's but at least there was structure and a 2 minute concentration lapse costs us, we were lucky to lose 19-8 on Sat. - Terence Smith |
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Pieter de Villiers as Bok coach
11/07/2008 12:36
To whoever wrote the "in depth" article on PDV. First off you would need to know your facts before talking about something, Jake White(praise the man for brilliant work) also never had any international experience at the highest level, he in fact never even had super rugby experience. Hieneke Meyer also never had international experience, only super rugby. As for loosing to NZ, can you name the last BOK coach to win over there? Did'nt think so hey. Give the man a fair chance please. Reuben L. - reuben leon |
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Pieter should shut it and play the game
11/07/2008 12:36
I don't really give a crap what you call me.I also don't care if the bok couch is orange with purple spots on.The facts are that he shouldn't have stated comments like a little baby about something he knew nothing about.Rob Kempson and Gary Teichman also commented that PDV was wrong.I guess they also don't know what there talking about.So go on and use the race card.I don't give a crap.Pieter looks incompetent as head coach...At this current stage. - Jaco |
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Insult
11/07/2008 12:36
Oh come on! Offering him a salary below White's was an insult! - Reeds |
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Let it go...
11/07/2008 12:37
Thys you make some valid comments, however be fair and give the guy a chance. If after the tri-nations he has nor done well with a world cup winning side then have a go, but for the moment we need to support our team and that includes the coaching staff and management. Ilike his brand of rugby (to be refined), but it looks like the rugby Mallet's side played - attacking rugby.... - Coolio |
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@rayno
11/07/2008 12:38
YOU DIDN'T HERE WHITE PEOPLE CLAMOUR FOR JAKES DISMISSAL ??? Where were you. SA sport has passionate followers. Rugby is one of the worst to try and run cause you have millions of experts. There were plenty of "WHITE" calls for White's head. Where were you bro??? - White_African |
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Mr Muppet
11/07/2008 12:39
As a black South African I will not jump on the bandwagon and call you racist. However, I believe your analysis is deeply flawed. PdV came into the Springbok job with as much, if not more, experience as Jake White. It is also interesting that there would be this outcry after 1 defeat in NZ. We have been losing to that lot for the last 10years. But the bane of the SA society is to look at everything through the prism of race - this goes for both sides of the divide. - Sydney |
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spot on with the general argument, thys
11/07/2008 12:41
I don't think his record is that bad yet.But yes I see the inconsistency.The man who appointed De Villiers said skin colour played a role in so many words, and government congratulated SARU for that,with De Villiers happily answering questions and sell stories relating to his appointment in the interest of transformation.Now someone else(possibly) alludes to that, and the coach himself and government lashes out.I'm with him as a countryman, but I'm embarrassed. - kwk |
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Fair Opportunity
11/07/2008 12:43
Very encouraged to see the many white folks here speaking up in favour of PdV. I'd really like to see this man succeed, and think he deserves a proper opportunity at the helm of the team without the regular knee-jerk reactions from the peanut gallery. - Warren |
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the facts...
11/07/2008 12:45
the facts have all been shown by the posts above...Div is definately as qualified, if not more, than Jake was when he started! And the players are confident in him as well...please correct me if I am wrong, but there hasn't been any protest from any of the springboks to his appointment. In fact, they enjoy his style and the way he wants to open up our game! GO BOKKE! GO DIV! Proudly SA all the way! - kevin |
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SA gonna get zapped...
11/07/2008 12:46
Agree with the comment that SA is gonna get it again tomorrow. I live in NZ now and support the AB's, why support a country that doesn't support me. AB's rule and if they faced SA in the WC final they would be the world champs now, SA was extremely lucky. Let's all watch PdV go down the slippery slide of destroying SA rugby now. - SA2NZ |
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New Zealand is always though - YOU KNOW IT!
11/07/2008 12:47
If we played a 'hungry-for-a-world-cup-win' New Zealand in the final, we might not have been the world champs and New Zealand does still occupy the best position of rugby in the world (In the opinion of many rugby lovers all over the world). Some times the tide just helps you along and other times you get a run of bad luck. Even if you are the best coach the team might just not perform as required against the opposition of the day. Don't scream at De Villiers for loosing his first. Hold on... - ElectroMan |
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Can of worms
11/07/2008 12:49
This kind of letter is always going to create a stir. I think give PDV a chance - he has only lost one so far. I think he made some incorrect team selections and I fear he has done the same for tomorrow's test. But he is learning. This shouldn't be a black/white argument at all - he should be purely scrutinized or plauded on his tactical awareness and managerial prowess, which is still in its infancy. - Peter Black |
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sorry rayno you are very wrong
11/07/2008 12:49
The whole country was baying for jake whites blood in 2006 after some poor results. Fact is De Villiers must not be immune from criticism because of his skin colour. Granted the flak he is coming in for is over the top but that is the nature of the job. If he wanted an easy stress free job he should be flipping cocktails on Camps Bay beach. He cannot pull the race card everytime he is unfairly criticized. There are millions of arm chair critics all with an opinion different to his. - patrick bateman |
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Take it easy
11/07/2008 12:49
Twits on this like Sello saying force transformation...not a good thing. I'm a sitter on the fence, lets see how PDV does for the team. I'm currently not happy but let him run with what he does, if he fails then bitch slap him, if not then even better because I support the boks. Any coach is good for me as long as he does a good job and gets the results WE ALL want from our boks. Simple. Its still early days guys. If he fails kick SARU in the nuts not PDV. - Win |
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cowboys don't cry
11/07/2008 12:49
there is a media manager with the boks, please use him/her to speak to the media and not PDV or the crying captain. -stephen - stephen |
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White coaches
11/07/2008 12:51
How many super 14 titles did we win with white coaches and 99.9999 % white players ? PdV Shut up and do the talk on the field. It was just 19-8 not 53-3 or 49-0. I can't wait for the game. win or lose i am still a bok fan. If i can go through torture supporting the white bok coaches when we played RUBBISH i can go throgh hell supporting PdV - Pokkies |
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We should support PdV.....
11/07/2008 12:53
for no other reason than he is one of us (a South African)!!! In fairness, all his predecessors have made strange/controversial selections, lost matches and had to take their feet out of their mouths from time to time. Hopefully he will learn soon that it does not pay to get involved in slanging matches with the Kiwis or the Aussies, he will almost always come second. Then again, maybe he is just trying to get under their skin with his wacky comments - that's got to be a good thing! - Alex |
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Don't forget the role of the ELVs...
11/07/2008 12:54
...in the supposedly bad performances against Wales and Italy - the majority of our team had spent the season playing to the ELVs and then suddenly had to change back to the old laws to accommodate the northern hemisphere teams. By the same token, we had key players (Smit and James, to name two) who had never played to the ELVs when we took on NZ - constantly having to play to different rules cannot be good for our performance as a team! - Rodders |
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