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And well done to Oregan Hoskins!
15/07/2008 10:56
Mr Hoskins - you have provided solid leadership by questioning Sanzar publicly about the baize of New Zealand and Australian officials against South African teams!! There has been a real change in the public statements that are being released by Saru since Stofile was ousted. So much better!! Well done! - Peter Neill |
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Boks
15/07/2008 10:57
Screw the springklippies. Never to support them again, since what SARU did to Jake! Fully All Black supporter now. Go wallabies on the weekend! - punter |
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credit where it's due
15/07/2008 10:59
Let me repeat myself then. Congrats to De Villiers and the Boks who played well and made us proud. - kwk |
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Disgraceful Bok supporters
15/07/2008 11:02
Well said Hans, Lets nail the sheep shaggers this weekend - Neil |
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OK!
15/07/2008 11:02
The coach plays a small part in the success of the Boks and the players deserve most of the praise when they win, but what happens when they lose? It's all the coach's fault! How does that work? - Ryan D |
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Pdv
15/07/2008 11:04
Good article but don't go overboard. Bok coach is one of the harder jobs in the world and our supporters about the most fickle. But how about England's Premiership guys - it's like musical chairs.
Great result and Ricky has been a standout in both games. But hard to win when you have to make twice as many tackles as your oppositon and have less ball. Tactics needs to be PdV's next job after sorting (and hopefully keeping sorted) the scrums and lineouts. Them Aussies are devious buggers. - japes |
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Guilty of Doing The SaME
15/07/2008 11:05
You are guilty of doing exactly the same. It is comments like yours that created the fight. Fact is, PDV had a lot to do with the team winning last Saturday as he had with them losing the week before. You cannot sanctimoniusly criticise him and his selection for one game and then claim that we would have won anyway. Why didn't we win 2 weeks ago, if winning was so easy and straight forward? - Len van Heerden |
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Agree
15/07/2008 11:07
Hope people who think the Springboks are part of Afrikaner culture have heard you. - Godfrey |
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I can not agree more!!!
15/07/2008 11:07
No matter what, Div did what no other coach ever did. We complain daily that the goverment is going back to apartheid by calling us black or white and now we do the same? The SPRINGBOKS WON!! An all SOUTH AFRICAN team and coach!! VIVA - Jaco |
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good stuff
15/07/2008 11:07
good stuff mate, just what we need for the weekend. Good luck bokke!!!! - umoja |
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Agreed Hans
15/07/2008 11:10
It was disgusting and as I said yesterday,I don't care who coaches or plays for them or what colour they are,as long as they play with pride and always do their best.The article written by Ndumiso as well as some of the comments served up by among others,"LvH", simply served to stir up racial hatred and malice.Well done to Div & the Boks,but don't go trashing Jake White and all he achieved as coach,or brand all white rugby fans as racists (LvH & Ndumiso).Up Div & the Bokke! - The Truth |
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Our culture
15/07/2008 11:10
Hey, we are South Africans so it is in our blood to follow the divided we fall approach to life. We love to moan, be pessimistic, not give credit where it is due and insult people personally. It is our culture, our heritage - the same as braaivleis, although it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Viva! - Pierre Brink |
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Disgraceful Sprinbok Supporters
15/07/2008 11:10
Well said mate you have hit the nail on the head. Let us enjoy the fact that we beat New Zealand in their own backyard and forget all this fighting. We have a great team (coach and players) and one that we should be very proud of! - Gary Pearson |
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GO BOKKE !!!
15/07/2008 11:15
I love a SA winning sports team. I hate it when politics and racial currents get in the way of a good SA sports celebration. It's also fair to say that the Boks coaching job sucks. Probably the toughest in the world cause you just can't make everyone happy all the time. Regardless of your colour. SA supporters demand the best. Criticism comes with the job I'm afraid ... - White_African |
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Proud Bok Supporter
15/07/2008 11:15
I am a proud Bok supporter come rain or shine. I still get tears in my eyes when we sing the National Anthem, and had joyful tears when Ricky got that well deserved try for the boks, after Matfield was send of. Face it, the N.Z and the Auzies never liked S.A. regardless if we had a black or white team/coach. Take Matfield and Bismarcks situation for instance and compare that to Thron and other N.Z players not playing fair. That already speaks for itself. Bad loosers is the word youre looking for. - Mrs. M |
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yes and no
15/07/2008 11:15
I do not agree with some of your comments. You said "I can't really see personally that a coach can make a losing bunch of players into winning players." In 2004, Jake took that 2003 bunch of ours and make them Tri champs. The same bunch PDV now have to work with. I for one never liked Jake, nor do I much like PDV. In my view a Bok coach must coach and be kept AWAY from the media. Both Jake and PDV had and will have my full support, as alwayls.
Well done boys and I cant wait for Sat! - bossies |
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Whingers...
15/07/2008 11:17
...the win belongs to everyone, from the coach, players, management, et al to the fans. Screw you too, Punter, you wanker! - Andy |
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Go Boys
15/07/2008 11:17
I really believe we can take the Aussies this weekend.That would put us in a great position for the rest of the tournament.We need to really stick to the basics and win the game upfront, early on.I would still pick Kankowski.Go boys.Take the sheep rooters down... - Jaco |
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Ag Shame
15/07/2008 11:18
Can you Springbok supporters not handle criticism. The fact is even if Januarie was brilliant and played his best game ever, you will get rid of him when Fourie is match ready, not because Januarie is playing better and has more match experience, you all will just call for him to be replaced. Just like you all are blind when it comes to the performance of Adi. Like Chris Rock says, "it is alright because it is all white". When PDIV was chosen a really wanted to support the Boks, I guess never. - Angus |
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Credit to the coach
15/07/2008 11:19
Hans, give credit where it is due, Pieter had a whole lot to do with winning that match, he chose his team wisely that's why we managed to beat the All Blacks. It's sad how people won't admit he's a great coach becuase of his colour - c'mon guys as long as he's doing a great job that's all we need him to do after all. Go Bokke! - Shaheeda A |
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nuff said
15/07/2008 11:19
Thanks for the reminder. - Info Guru |
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Hans V
15/07/2008 11:19
Your emotions are getting away with you sunshine. You will ALWAYS have armchair critics no matter where in the world you are or what sport you follow. This is a column that allows critisism in the form of comments, do you expect everyone to agree with each other? Bring on the Aussies, Go Bokke! - John Camp |
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Missing the point
15/07/2008 11:22
Even if the Springboks are unbeaten for the next 100 years, if they persist in their racist policies of choosing players, coaches & administrators on the color of their skin from schoolboy level to international level, I will never ever support them, I refuse to support a system that reduces a countries minorities to 2nd class citizens & tries to sugarcoat it as acceptable. Two wrongs don't make a right!!! - Juan |
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@ Len van Heerden
15/07/2008 11:22
I agree whole heartedly, "i'm afraid to say, the original letter was the instigator" Hans V, sit back, read and enjoy. - John Camp |
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Sport Unites Us, let's use it ...
15/07/2008 11:22
To do exactly that. When SA won the Cup of Nations, we all united. When SA won the 95 and 97 RWCs, we all united. I love the idea of every one of us standing together to defend all fellow SA citizens. Let no foreigner think he can insult our rugby coach, or anyone else for that matter. We back our countrymen and women. LET'S JUST DO THAT !!! - White_African |
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Mampara nomination
15/07/2008 11:23
What rubbish: "any other coach after Jake White would have had as good a chance as De Villiers of achieving great things with the Springboks"
You get my vote as Mampara of the Week! - simon |
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our win
15/07/2008 11:24
I loved the way pdv banged his head on the table at full time - what heartfelt emotion! after a tense game that up til the very end could have gone either way - sheila |
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Do not support the Boks anymore
15/07/2008 11:24
When you bring politics into sports, people get pissed off. Remove the black / white scenario from the selection process (team and coaching) and i and many more will support the Boks again. untill that time, i concentrate on gholf where individual ability determines the outcme of a golfer's career, not his skin colour. Many happy golfing years for me! - chris |
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Just imagine...
15/07/2008 11:25
what world beaters we would be if we managed to focus all this passion in the same direction.I also saw the changeroom speech,hugs and congatulations by Div to his team and it was very touching to say the least.He's a highly emotional and sincere guy (as was Jake when we won the World Cup).Who couldn't be emotional when you have the honour of coaching the Boks. - The Truth |
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Jake White
15/07/2008 11:25
That victory was the culmination of Jake White's work over the past 4+ years. - TS |
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my blood is green
15/07/2008 11:26
Well done to the boks in proving that they are the best in the world... I must say too that the comments from supporters are the idiots that never played "BIG" rugby in their lives. what do they really know abou what happens in such a difficult match..... our coach is not a black coach... he is the springbok coach and his blood is Green and thats all that counts... Pieter De Villiers has proven his worth and I am proud to be South African - Zane |
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HANS - unfair
15/07/2008 11:27
Hans were you embarrassed and disgraced when they called our national coach a puppet with no credentials - your article clearly do not give PDV any credit for the win which is unfair. PDV is a remarkable coach and as a Springbok supported I will always defend him as I believe the MEDIA have unfairly criticized and questioned his ability and have ignored all his achievements before he became Springbok coach. - colin |
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Good 4 U Hans
15/07/2008 11:27
Good for you Hans and I agree wholeheartedly with you. If we use sport and leisure as ONE of the means to build bridges between the races, we can do a whole lot more for the country and our humanity. Our rugby success was a success for all regardless of race, colour or creed. Let's celebrate our South African-ness not harp on skin tone - it's just negative and oh so tiresome! - Rugby Girl |
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Frans Steyn
15/07/2008 11:31
Frans Steyn is another example, the first thing I read this morning in the media was the fact that he kicked two drop goals the last time the Boks played against the Ausies. But what did he do eversince, nothing... He cannot tackle he caused tries during the Super14 and almost one against the AB. The boy cannot even do the basics correct, yet he is Gods gift to PDIV. I say it again, it is alright because it is all white. - Angus |
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Give Credit to Pieter de Villiers
15/07/2008 11:36
I agree with most things you say, but surely a lot of credit should go PdV's way. At last we have a coach with a rugby brain. It great to see that we can still play rugby, not the rubbish that was part of Jake's and some of his predecessor's legacy, where it was common practise to have a prop, hooker or lock receiving the ball at flyhalf and the centers and wings more in the rucks than in the backline. Well done Pieter and the Boks! I am watching rugby again. - Dr DoLittle |
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i agree angus
15/07/2008 11:38
We don't need to get along.I am sure we all support the boks but have our own points of view.Godfrey for example decided to target a race as soon as his fingers hit the keyboard.People will feel and write what they want.They have the right to there own opinions.As long as we agree for 80min on matchday.Go Bokke. - VJ |
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Well,...???
15/07/2008 11:38
I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, or why you choose to ignore some of the things I said. But I was not being racist, but admit that I did instigate some negative reactions, whic was not at all my intentions. I would love to see us all support the Boks and unite against them. Not just some of them, but all, including Peter de Villiers! - Ndumiso |
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Agree to disagree
15/07/2008 11:39
There will always be disagreement on who is the best coach for the job and who is the best team. ALWAYS. EVEN in NZ and AUS not everyone is happy with who the coaches are but seem to not go on about it as much as SA.The problem is that some people think some people only critize the coach because he is black and then take critic of his decisions as racism. Thats not why.The same critic was raised against JW and he is not black.Ppl were also unhappy with JW and felt Heineke should have been coach. - Springboks |
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Mampara nomination2 and counting
15/07/2008 11:40
Agree with you Simon, def Mampara of the week - Shaheeda A |
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I dont get this...
15/07/2008 11:40
Why keep forcing people to support the team if they dont want to..Everyone knew that there would be a section of the population that wouldnt support the team regardless of them winning or not.By writing something like this, u give idiots like Chris and Punter the ideal platform to show us how thick some people are.Rather concentrate on the real fans and true south africans who stand by the team regardless of who is in charge... - K.G. |
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@ Godfrey
15/07/2008 11:40
Hey buddie,whats wrong with it being a part of so called afrikaner culture?!Why dont you make it part of your culture two?? - Johan |
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Well done boks
15/07/2008 11:41
Yes they did well to beat a "new" inexperienced All Black side, this is as good as it gets for the Boks. After the Tri-Nations, When our seasoned players who had a point to prove in this Tri-N's head north, will the Boks be as good as the current All Blacks?, or Aussies for that matter, oh, and if the coach doesn't matter how come Robbie Deans has made such a difference to the wallabies ?.....and the bulls without Heyneke Meyer ?. - here's my prediction |
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Tri Nations
15/07/2008 11:41
Some you win, some you loose? The bokke did great on Saturday. I just hope they continue the level of play for the rest of the Tri Nations. With 8 wins from 12 tournaments, the All Blacks will not just give away the trophee. The Tri Nations champions will only be crowned later. Whath out for the Aussies? Robbie is not a fool after so much success with the Crusaders. - Hannes Gouws |
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Agree 100%
15/07/2008 11:43
I so tired of this black white issues. Honoustly people. A beautifull thing happend this weekend and the only that can be brought up is race. Nobody mentiond anything about that poephol calling our people names. And what About the Bismark sighting. What a horrible call. Im sure that board only has Kiwis and Ausies on it. Gongrats to the Team and Coaching staff.!!
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Hans V you ruined your otherwise good article...
15/07/2008 11:44
by stating that anybody could have doen well with the Boks after Jake White. Wasn?t Markgraaff given the World Cup winning Boks in 1995, and lost a series against the AB?s in 1996 at home? Was Mallet, who made little changes to the team he inherited, also not gifted a team from Carel who in their last test under Carel, just clicked and smashed the Aussies by a record score? Give credit where its due please. - VLS |
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Agree to disagree 2
15/07/2008 11:48
All should just put away their prejudiced goggles and look at things from a factual perspective and realise that its ppls opinions.We do not critic a player because he is black or white,we do because we disagree with his selection or non selection because of the way a he plays.Ppl then q the coach choices based on the selection.Ppl also question a choach abilities when the team loses.PdV gets credit for the win-his name is down as coach of the winning side.Let's give opinions but respect eachothr - Springboks |
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Re: Oregan
15/07/2008 11:49
Well done, eventually someone is willing to take a stand!!!!! high tackle on Habana = warning and penalty: Victor "high' tackle = yellow card?!??!?! this is honestly getting to be so ridiculious that SA is always on the recieving end!!!! GO BOKKE, I will stay a Bok Supporter!!! just don`t let those "useless" Referees demotivate our players anymore, stand up to them!!!! - Japie Herbst |
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whats the point?
15/07/2008 11:49
whats the point of this letter? the results appear to be the same as they were yesterday, so this letter is the chief instigator once again. End of the day, people's comments merely highlight the inherent racism/bitterness/etc that exists in this country - aa |
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Well Done Boks!
15/07/2008 11:49
...but please note Adie Jacobs went off early, Percy started not Jantjes. And JP seemed to be firing again. The fact remains that a true springbok suporter will support the best springbok team chosen on merit alone even if that team contains 0 white players. Anyway, I still want to see how we go against the Wallabies. Then I will decide whether I am trading my green jersey for a black one. - Stryder |
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Missing it again
15/07/2008 11:49
You started nicely and I almost agree with you but you cant go on saying that any could have won it beacause of the players.Common two weeks back it was PDV fault because they lost now that they have won its the players.It is people like you provoke comments like yesterday. If you are giving praise to a Team give it to the whole team not only to the player.Stop you indirectly insult to PDV PLEASE. - ele |
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Lucky Bounce
15/07/2008 11:52
Each try counts for 5 and then the conversion counts for 2. We scored 30 points, meaning that it was not the lucky bounce that won the game, but the effort of everyone from the coach to the players. However, it brings me such joy to know that Juan will never support SA again. I certainly doubt if he will be missed - Len van Heerden |
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angus- time to go back to school
15/07/2008 11:53
Boet given you extremely poor grammar and spelling it is difficult to determine exactly what you are trying to say however it is clearly some racially motivated nonsense. Take that chip on your shoulder and go sprout your divisive garbage elsewhere. At the very least familiarize yourself with the written word because at the moment your diatribes paint you as a complete moron. - patrick bateman |
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Jake White had no hand in this teams success
15/07/2008 11:54
White had no role to play in this teams success. There are SOME out there who will do anything but give DiV the credit he deserves only because he is not a white man. If you are so unhappy do what Punter did; support the AB's or OZ, because guess what DiV will still be Springbok coach next-week. - Transformed |
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People are dying!
15/07/2008 11:56
who cares about sport - get some perspective guys! ridiculous amounts of money are spent on your entertainment. Crazy. - Tired of sport |
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VLS - Agree
15/07/2008 11:56
I agree 100% both Markgraaf and Mallet were given qulity teams but none of them could get a win in the HOUSE of PAIN - that victory belongs to PDV - colin |
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Stop moaning everybody!
15/07/2008 11:59
We beat the all blacks in their back yard. What can be better?
To all the locals who now support another team just because they don't like the coach or the management: wake up! When was the management any good and there hasn't been ONE coach or team selected in the history of rugby that pleased everybody. Thats life, deal with it! Sad, sad turncoats.
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@Hans V and white people
15/07/2008 12:03
why is it when the team lost, you all ridiculed PDV as AA coach? when they win, then "largest praise must go to the players". This double standards are racist in nature.
It's the same with the soccer world cup, non-whites supported the 'Boks to great lenghths in '95 fresh from the wounds of Apartheid, now every white person i speak wants 2010 to be taken away mainly because soccer in SA is a black sport.
White people have dissapointed me, they refuse to be part of nation building. - tshepo |
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if PDV wins the cups
15/07/2008 12:04
then i will congratulate him, i am not too phased over one win over new zealand. In football everything is about the world cup and rugby is no different its all about the world cup so lets judge PDV and the boks in 4 years time - terence |
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Johan
15/07/2008 12:04
Because we are being actively prevented from doing just that.If you don't agree just hear what is being said to black people when they go to stadiums to watch rugby,the insults,the racist comments in the media, etc. - Godfrey |
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Angus are you upset?
15/07/2008 12:08
Say what you want about Frans Steyn but don't forget who won last Saturday. No one man makes a team, no one man has a perfect game, everyone makes a mistake or two. What separated the Boks from the AB's was two points in our favour. - John Camp |
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Rugby Girl
15/07/2008 12:09
I agree with you, but do not agree with Hans. You obviously did not read what Hans wrote, properly. Hans seems to believe that he could have coached the team to victory on Saturday. That might well be so, but chances are that the performance on Saturday was inspired by the combinations of skills and leadership available on the day. Whether JW would have done it is immaterial. He did not. that might be luck or design, who knows and who cares? We won!!!! and PDV was the coach in charge!!! - L van Heerden |
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@Dr Do 'little'
15/07/2008 12:09
have you forgotten that the 'rubbish' you so elegantly refer too won us two world cups? Little memory... - Tim |
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can the guys who ...
15/07/2008 12:10
indicated their displeasure on gary boshoff's article comment likewise on simnikiwe xabanisa' article on the sunday times about the success of the boks being squarely jake white's doing? i found the article disgusting and actually i saw right through the article - PURE SOUR GRAPES...! What one actually sees is that most of these guys, simnikiwe xabanisa included dearly wished for the boks to loose...! sorry guys...perhaps next time...! - ayanda |
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support who you want
15/07/2008 12:10
To the guys who do not support the Boks because of whatever reason, you can support who ever you want to and do whatever you want to.I don't care. I am proud to be a Springbok supporter and will always be.No matter who wears the jersey.Its my heritage. I just don't know why you guys read these articles if you are so disgruntled.I feel sorry for you cause you miss out on wonderful comraderie, even though we do not always agree. - Don't care - I love the BOKS! |
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OH, BY THE WAY......
15/07/2008 12:10
...WE ARE NOW RANKED #1 IN THE WORLD. YEEEE HAAAAA !!!!! - Badger |
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support who you want
15/07/2008 12:11
To the guys who do not support the Boks because of whatever reason, you can support who ever you want to and do whatever you want to.I don't care. I am proud to be a Springbok supporter and will always be.No matter who wears the jersey.Its my heritage. I just don't know why you guys read these articles if you are so disgruntled.I feel sorry for you cause you miss out on wonderful comraderie, even though we do not always agree. - Don't care - I love the BOKS! |
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Credit when due
15/07/2008 12:12
We said PDV would be judged by results, and we've beaten NZ in NZ, so thats good enough for me. Go Bokke! - Jono |
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Agreed
15/07/2008 12:16
firstly, well done to the Boks. Now, i agree that PDIV is a good coach, i like his selection for the most part except for Adi Jacobs-he is useless. I don't care who plays for the Boks win or lose as long as the players are chosen on merit bases ONLY. I just wish black supporters could agree to that. - Stinkbug |
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Post match comments
15/07/2008 12:18
The only thing that upset me was that after the match Peter De Villiers was way TOO humble. Why did he have to keep saying how lucky we were. "it shouldn't have happened" and "it will never happen again". What exactly does that mean? That he thinks the ABs are the better team and that we were lucky? He is coaching the world champions! - Tammy |
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Congraluations!!
15/07/2008 12:19
Congratulations to the Boks and PVD on achieving a wonderful victory!! You made us all very proud!! PVD is a credible coach (remeber his record is superior to Jake prior to their selections as national coach) and he hs done well in giving the players enough room to showcase their talent! - Proudly South Africa |
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@ those not supporting the Boks anymore
15/07/2008 12:21
You say you don't support the Boks "anymore" because of politics and racial preference in the setup. By saying "anymore" it implies you did before. There was always racial based selection in the Springbok setup, it's just that it now favors non-white people. So it's okay if it favors white people but not the other way around? If you didn't like the idea you should NEVER have supported the Springboks. Why only now? mmmmmmmmmm? - chops |
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@ Tshepo
15/07/2008 12:26
I've asked that same question on forums. Why when we win is it the players and if we lose its the coach? This has always been the case though, even when white coaches was in charge. It's probably a global phenomenon and happens in all sports. Its not a racist thing. - chops |
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Patrick & company
15/07/2008 12:27
When one speaks sense it is always a tactic to tackle the man instead of what was said. A good negotiation tactic to divert from the truth. Let me say it again and hopefully you educated few will catch on this time around. As long as non-white players and the non-white coached are being challenged I will challenge back. Januarie although brilliant has played his second last test as starting scrumhalf. Bolla and Conrad can might as well go back into the Currie Cup teams, seeing that they lost Dollie. - Angus |
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bok supporter
15/07/2008 12:27
There is so much bickering and arguments about who is better in what position, the coach is only there because he of transformation, and same with some of the players etc. Everyone has their own opinion about everything. And rightly so... But i know, as South Africans come match day, 99% of us are 110% behind our team for those 80min, whether we win or lose...our blood is green!!! lets keep it that way. These forums are just for extra entertainment.... - jupitor |
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Get over it
15/07/2008 12:27
Doles it upset that a black man has achieved history in SA rugbt get over it . - siclo |
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The racism charge...
15/07/2008 12:29
is what riles most commentators on this forum and that charge comes from a few black racists who can't help themselves pointing the finger and making false accusations. I'd like to point out that nobody complains about Ricky or Bryan playing for the Boks but EVERYBODY complains about sub-standard player inclusions on the basis of colour. That also happens to be the EXACT complaint regarding PdV - even his boss admitted in public his appointment was influenced by his skin colour. - Tuffy |
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Coach
15/07/2008 12:44
Not a bad article after all but stop saying Coach did small or played minimal. In an actual fact Coach did a perfect job by putting that squad together and players too and fans themselves. Stop writing un called for comments. - RK |
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@Angus
15/07/2008 12:46
Ricky, Fourie and Kokott are our best scrumhalves at present. If anyone should bite the dust it is Bolla Conradie. As for Frans Steyn; yes, he makes mistakes. So does Odwa and Chiwanga and so did Paulse. All of them gave away more points than they scored through poor defense - too sared to tackkle the big guys. Does that mean we should not have chosen Paulse? Does it mean we should not choose Odwa and Chivanga and Jacobs for giving away too many points? - Tuffy |
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Agree with Tshepo
15/07/2008 12:51
i will have to agree on tshepo on this one, many people are not happy that SA Will host SWC in 2010, they have been calling for PLAN B.When Madiba lifted the Cup in 1995,we thought it was a sign that now SA will inspire to unite, but that hasn't been the case,lAST YEAR MBEKI lifted the the same Cup, and it was evident that people are not prepared to unite. AND I say lets not force it people, some support rugby and some soccer,some are white and some are black, thats the reality,deal with it.. - Bokamoso |
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Madiba
15/07/2008 12:55
No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite. - NELSON MANDELA - Racism Sucks |
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What really happened
15/07/2008 12:59
As was reported in some columns, the Boks played "Jake White" style rugby to win at Carisbrooke. They discarded the coach's ambitious plans in favour of a tight game, kicking into the corners. It worked, though only thanks to Januarie's try. Yes, one can separate the team from the coach! In 2004, Jake took the Tri-nations with a new side, he had to rebuild. De Villiers inherited probably the best Bok side since 1992, from Jake. And yes, he's made some poor selections. Lets hope he learns. - John R |
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UNBELIEVABLE
15/07/2008 13:00
This is really unbelievable... after one of our BEST performances and acheivments YET which just highlighted the fact that we ARE true world champs, everyone comes up with this load of rubbish above... CAN YOU NOT JUST APPRECIATE AND EMBRACE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE JUST BEATEN THE ALL BLACKS AT HOME and broke theri record of 30 wins at home and for one minute just be happy and get over your personal issues with the team, coach and colour of our players! Shame on you!
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Boks
15/07/2008 13:03
All of us at this stage are a product of the past our kids children will be best suited to argue about race, lets all shut up and place the building blocks of a non-racial society, it is going to be conspicuios who is coaching and who is running into the field, the team gives us reason to live and forget about the rising cost of living - Brayaka |
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Soccer???
15/07/2008 13:03
Why do we talk about soccer? The topic is rugby and obviously ppls comments on whether PdV is a good coach or not. What has soccer got to do with it.I do not watch soccer because I don't like the game.All of them could have been white or green or pink (like the europeans) i still don't watch it. But this is about rugby and the same goes. I always watch rugby. If the players are white, black does not matter, to me there is only green and gold players.(And white and blue striped players) - Rugby supporter |
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@ Tshepo & Bokamoso....
15/07/2008 13:04
...a lot of us support our sportsmen and woman in all sports. The reason SAfcns are calling for the SWC to be CXD is the crime guys...The Crime. We have a saying in the Tourism Industry..."Nothing Kills Tourism Like A Dead Tourist..." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Badger |
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Credit PDV
15/07/2008 13:05
We are quick to discredit PDV. Yet at U/19 and U/21 he showed his mettle, while Jake was the video boy for Nick Mallet. he showed with Adie given the opportunity the boy can play, similarly with Rickie.Frankly, Luke on present form doesnt deserve to be on the bench. My vote would go to Brussouw. My point is that people of color need to prove themselves constantly while others dont have to do it. An example of this is Ismaeel Dollie, now on loan to Boland for the 2nd time. - Joe |
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Odwa and Chivanga
15/07/2008 13:06
Well Odwa, Chivanga and Paulse are not in the team. Adi made some brilliant safes and pulled more than one player on to him before passing and was the brains behind Habana's tri. But Guess what, De Villiers got the ball from Adi and managed to pass this team and he get the praise for creating the tri. Fourie cannot even play a full game, and if he was so good, why did the Blue Bulls get such a hiding under his captaincy. He is just good when protected behind the dom krag of the pack, with ELV???? - Angus |
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Go Bokke, U R awesome, but constructive critisism,
15/07/2008 13:07
Should always be welcome. If that is viewed as discracefull, then Ieat humble pie, as at the win against NZ. However, I DO believe that SARU management (just like most of the other sport bodies) are still a bunch of %^(%^(. I still maintain, success will only be achieved once combinations are chosen to compliment the team. Individuals dont make a team. In this regard there are a number of chosen players that should not be there. Wont name them, but you know & they know who they are. - Matrix |
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