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23/07/2008 14:16
I can't wait to see the comments on this article. Unathi, you must be very brave to write such an article. - Crackerjackjack |
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Useless Rhetoric!!!
23/07/2008 14:22
Really now whats the point of this article? This is appropriately a useless article you have ever written Unathi, you are ranting up and down without any common goal, the glue holding your article is rather pathetic, people don?t just write for the sake of winning. Please write with an objective of enlightening the masses. - Kolobe |
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a role model
23/07/2008 14:25
Madiba has become a role model. He has shown that reconciliation and forgiveness can bring people together. He has shown that not all African leaders are clinging to power and personal wealth. He is something todays politicians to aspire towards. In short, he is the leader that everyone would follow. - Carsten |
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what makes Mandela different?
23/07/2008 14:26
Mandela faught for freedom. 'The rest' faught for (and got) financial gain. Most people still live in poverty while the 'freedom fighters' live in ministerial mansions, and gets driven around in luxury bmw's. FACT! - Juan |
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Asking too much
23/07/2008 14:28
Unathi you are asking too much questions....We are tired of bad news(kilings, rape etc)..Aren't you? Atleast for a change we celebrated Madiba's life..The good he did for the people instead of the Mugabes who are take Zim down. If it was the only good news that day, then let it be.... - Dontcare |
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CRAP!
23/07/2008 14:31
Why do you want to even compare Mandela to a corrupt ANC of the day. While Madiba leads the way to integrity the rest of the ANC is falling deeper into corruption and mistrust. He is not there to save the ANC. - Sam |
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Madiba mania
23/07/2008 14:33
You are missing the point: Madiba magic resulted in the FIRST EVER transformation of power without major internal upheaval in Africa EVER. If he did not do that the way he did,think for yourself. (The SA military was at that time one of the stongest in the world, you know.) - TB |
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@kolobe
23/07/2008 14:33
At least Unathi has the balls to say what he wants(freedom of speech)You should take some lessons comrade kolobe. Your article last week was very poor, and pointless, to say the least. - Camel Man |
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Other Heroes
23/07/2008 14:34
Yes What about SISULU, TAMBO, AHMED KATHRADA, CHRIS HANI, CHIEF ALBERT LUTHULI, South Afrcia is still a divided country whereby 90% of the population lives in a third world and 10% percent live in a first world, and the people who got those ill gotten gains are happy that Nelson Mandela preached peace and told us to forget about the past and embrace the future but why is is so difficult for them to say sorry for what the system of apartheid did to Black South African. - Mxolisi Selby Shabangu |
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@kolobe
23/07/2008 14:35
Dude, I cannot stomach your mentality BUT for once I agree with you... - Francois |
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You are Brave or Stupid.
23/07/2008 14:37
I hope you had fun writing this article. IMO if it was not for the stabilizing attitude of Madiba, this country would have been at war a lot earlier than now.
I was in the previous dispensation's army fighting (willingly or not) against the ANC and its leadership cadre. When the ANC was unbanned and the leadership released a lot of people thought that a war is here. It did not happen and it certainly was due to Madiba's attitude (most certainly not Mbeki or Zuma).
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I can only speak for myself but....
23/07/2008 14:41
To me it is not what Madiba did for the "struggle", that makes him a very special human being and to tell you the truth I feel sorry for him to still be associated with the ANC. To me as a white South African it is the love and peace that eminates from the man. To me the man is not great because of his past, but the way that he dealt with his past and is now in the present. To me he is not a freedom fighter or a previous ANC leader, he is an example of humanity. That is why I celebrate him. - Karen |
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Madiba epitomises..
23/07/2008 14:41
..what we believed the ANC represented. One nation and a better life for all. This belief has been destroyed by members of the party but this great man still represents what we desire in a leader. I wish that the current ,so called, leaders would lift their snouts from the feeding through and see how they have betrayed the trust we had in the great man and the belief system we thought he represented. The ANC of today would have the founders turning in their graves. - Lloyd Macklin |
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Whats the point
23/07/2008 14:41
Unathi, are living in fool's paradise? Majority fought for freedom but leaders were crowned. - Mutondi Luvhengo |
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You miss why Madiba is seen as a great man
23/07/2008 14:42
Why is Madiba seen as a great man. Easy, he could have let all the time he spent in prison, build up the hatred for the white man, and when he got out plan revenge, but what did he do?
He turned the other cheeck, and said, I forgive you for what happened. Which is a hell of a lot, seeing as what was done to him.
If only a third of SA's black people could do the same, SA will be a lot better already - Dawid |
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@Unathi
23/07/2008 14:42
What is this? I do not understand why they published this article. Most of your articles do not make sense, what is the point. What country are you living in?? - Maanda |
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Unathi you are being silly now!
23/07/2008 14:44
Unathi my man, if you simply write to create excitement you are loosing the plot.This is no tabloid space, people are enlightening each other here my man, not just talk nonsense simply to illicit responses!However if you do mean what you say in this article then you need to see a doctor,a psychaitrist, with immediate effect...what sort of logic is this: "What it is exactly that Madiba did differently?"...are you kidding me? - Mafutha |
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I may be wrong
23/07/2008 14:46
But I infer from your article that only those who benefited from apartheid should share there "ill-gotten gains". In other words, rich white people. So the fact that there are thousands of rich black south africans, who also benefit from the labour of the poor, (and are getting even richer through BEE deals and shares) should not have to share with the impoverished majority. Or did you just conveniently neglect to mention them? - Andrew |
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@kolobe
23/07/2008 14:46
You are 100% correct. There is nothing to comment on, this is indeed a useless article. Why publish it!! - Maanda |
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Oh please
23/07/2008 14:48
while you're at it-please lets share my credit card as well! - Sharing |
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Mandela fought for financial gain as well
23/07/2008 14:53
Mandela is a multi-millionaire if not billionaire by now. When he was State President, earning less than a R1mill pa, he bought his estate in Johannesburg and Qunu. He gave JZ R2 million for him to pay off his debts just like that. Today, he is flown around in a private jet, I doubt that he is renting this out.
This to me is a sign of a stinky rich man. His kids and grand-kids are set off financially for life. So let us stop delussion that Mandela has not gained financiall - Nkosi |
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My sentiments exactly!
23/07/2008 14:53
Unathi - you said what im sure many dont have the guts to say! Last friday i could have sworn that Jesus Christ had come again! I think Madiba's birthday was overrated, and over-commercialised! Im dreading what will happen when the ol' man passes away...maybe the apocolypse? - cvz |
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Great article Unathi...
23/07/2008 14:54
I don't agree with you, but enjoyed reading it. For me the difference is what Madiba REPRESENTS - that is change by peaceful means and not bloody revolution. And yes, when we give tribute to him, we do give tribute to the ANC, but what it stood for then, NOT how it is behaving now. Elements within the party are betraying all Mandela stood for (and what he and others suffered and died for) by their power-grabbing tactics that hurt those they purport to uplift. - Wiseman |
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Have another
23/07/2008 15:06
Hey Unathi do you know why everyone likes Mandela so much?He is one of the few ANC members who wanted democracy without harbouring the hate towards all white people like the black people and black youth especially does today.They act like we owe them anything.Besides,our company let us go home early on his birthday, so he can have one every week as far as I'm concerned. Viva Madiba Viva! - HaveABdayEvryFriday |
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Perhaps it's a good thing
23/07/2008 15:06
My initial thoughts about the celebrations of Mandela's birthday were that it was blown out of proportion. Sure, he's a great man, but wasn't it all a bit much. But the more I think about it the more important I think it is to make an enormously huge deal out of who Mandela is and what he stands for because of the stark contrast to most of those in power, black, white, coloured, Indian, the lot. It's important that people support those who would lead because of who they are and what they stand for, not just because they make expedient noises, have the 'right' skin colour or come from the 'right' background. - CTheB |
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Unathi you r too young...
23/07/2008 15:09
a twit, to appreciate what Madiba has done and to know what the anc's fight was like. But like all other fights, there r no winners (i.e. listen to you, a product of the anc). Try and think out the box and understand that he is talking to the world now, not just the one track minded/racist anc supporters in SA. The riches that he spoke of are all over the world and include your rich anc/bee friends and politicians money, which was suppose to go to all and not the elite few. - marius |
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Real Life Heroes..
23/07/2008 15:13
You see, the ANC has got real life heroes and that is why we will rule until Jesus comes. If you scratch beneath the surface you will find many many others.In fact it is mind-blowing. That is why the wannabes have such a tough time.The only response is whine,whine,whine.That is why the campaign to SAVE THE WHITE WHINO became so funny cos these people couldnt stop whining.Even their leader whined so much,we said hey stop at the red light cos u bordering on the ridiculous now.No heroes,ag shampies - Cape Town Kid |
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since News24 censors everything ...
23/07/2008 15:13
let me try again and be politically correct. We all know the reason the great man is so respected it's because he forgave the minorities even though most are not remorseful.
And the same policies that the ANC supports today, they started with Mandela. So BEE wasn't TM's sole idea. - tshepo |
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Maada & Kolobe
23/07/2008 15:15
Maada said to Kolobe: "You are 100% correct. There is nothing to comment on, this is indeed a useless article."
Yet you still commented.... Maada, twice in your case! - Chantelle |
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Damn right Unathi
23/07/2008 15:20
I could not have said it better myself. Yes the whole world loves Mandela so what? Why can't we salute other people the way we always do for Mandela. Why can't we salute FW de Clerk for his sacrifice that lead to hatred by some Afrikanners for releasing Mandela? Why can't we make a big thing out the Arch (Tutu) and others. One would swear that Mndela owns every medium in SA, it was pathetic. Thanks Unathi for having balls to address this. - general |
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No No No
23/07/2008 15:20
I think you are wrong and very wrong. Madiba did not act out in the manner which he did because of the ANC's principles. He acted like he did because he is a special person with special qualities, vision and intellegence. If it was because of the ANC's principles, then why do all their other leaders not act the same as he? I think you are jealous that Madiba the person is celebrated and the ANC not because they are, to use your own words, not living up to their principles anymore. - Confucious |
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More things that set mandela apart
23/07/2008 15:22
from the other 'freedom fightas'.
He's never recommended garlic as a cure for aids.
He's never been (even) accused of corruption.
He's got the respect of the world (and nobody's laughing at him like they do at ur current leadership)
He's never pulled down his pants at a congress.
He's never stabbed a co-anc member.
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He is part of ANC
23/07/2008 15:30
Madiba is part of ANC, celebrating his achievement which cant be separated from the achievement of ANC, is celebrating the ANC of yesterday and today. his legacy is still being lived within the ANC.viva ANC viva, viva Madiba viva - tshepo |
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@Cape Town Kid
23/07/2008 15:33
We appreciate great human examples like Madiba, but we don't need human heroes; we have a Saviour...Jesus Christ - marius |
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@Tshepo...you are the only one being censored!!
23/07/2008 15:33
i think your complaints about News24 censorship that is targeted to you only exists in your head.I do however recommend that they should censor articles like Unathi has written...i mean what is the young man trying to say, that we are tired of Mandela, give me Mandela anytime man...anytime of day, the man is the best that SA can do! - Mafutha |
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Cape Town Kid
23/07/2008 15:36
It seems that you even have to read your jokes from bumper stickers.I was actually shocked to see that you could read after your Bantu education.Since you can read you should read some of those motivational posters so your reply's on this forum doesnt copy that of an infant. - shane |
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Imagine 27 in prison
23/07/2008 15:37
Unathi like many ppl who commented, i dont see what your point is.A qualified lawyer, a father and a son to somebody had to go to prison for 27 years for all of us, thats probably 2/3 of your age and all you can say is who is he?U must read all the articles about all the ppl he was imprisoned with and you will hear how they appreciate him, there are not complaining which means he did something good. - Nna |
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@Chantelle
23/07/2008 15:41
Chantelle, were you asleep/dreaming? Pls wake up. I did not comment on the content of the useless article, and my comment was not based on the article, but on Unathi's ignorance. - Maanda |
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Which ANC?
23/07/2008 15:45
Madiba belongs to a generation of freedom fighters who sacrificed everything for our freedom.The current ANC is run by a bunch of greedy,power hungry BEE types, who cannot beigin to compare to Madiba,Sisulu, Tambo etc. - IandI |
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@ Whining Cape Town Kid
23/07/2008 15:49
That whining you are talking about is concern from people who know what is necessary and how hard it is to create AND MAINTAIN a first world society in which life is peaceful and prosperous. That which everybody (including yourself) crave for, but are too blind to acknowledge the effort and commitment that should go into it to keep it that way! - Frannie |
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Unathikie,
23/07/2008 15:51
the celebration of Mandela's b/day was a tribute to a great many people who love and respect him.it shows the stature of the man that the world came to a standstill . methinks you be a bit jealous and spiteful not to want to allow an old man to bask in his deserved glory.and by the way , 27 years in jail under those conditions could be worse than death . you try it and let us know ok. - jerry |
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Re: Karen
23/07/2008 15:55
You are so right man. Exactly how I feel. - Snake Dr |
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Tshepo and Cape Town Kid
23/07/2008 15:56
People like you are the complete opposite of what Mandela stands for. You are embarressing the ANC and the Mandela legacy. You complain about whites moaning, blacks moaned alot during apartheid, thats how they eventually got their way. - debbie |
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@TB
23/07/2008 15:58
SA military being one of the strongest...
Based on what since they never went to war with anyone!
Please enlighten me, at least the US shows it's power by invasion. Unproven "facts" don't sit well with me. - tshepo |
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I have noticed that many ANC supporters are bitter
23/07/2008 15:59
More and more ANC supporters are getting bitter about the way Madiba is celebrated and revered internationally and yet all their other "heroes" are ignored. You can go right ahead and celebrate and revere them for what they have done for you - nobody is stopping you, I however do not revere them and it seems the rest of the international community agrees with me. Just stop being so bitter that we celebrate qualities that you don't seem to recognise. - Karen |
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Cape Town Kid
23/07/2008 16:03
I feel sorry for Cape Town, that it has to be infected by someone as racist and bitter as you. You really give Cape Town a bad name. I think you should change your name to: "Racist drivel as usual"... - Liz |
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@tshepo - you really are ignorant aren't you??? You are making a fool of yourself.
23/07/2008 16:13
Your past leaders of the ANC you love so much are hanging their heads in shame - each in their own ways. Have you not seen how the flamboyant Archbishop Desmond Tutu has openly wept for this nation and the grand intentions of the previous leaders that are so shamelessly thrown aside? The current ANC is an embarrassment to themselves, their forefathers and to South Africa. Your forefathers that are alive weep, those that a dead (I'm sure) are turning in their graves. - Karen |
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Madiba is symbolic of..
23/07/2008 16:14
the relationships we have with each rce in SA.
we tolerate each other but as the years of integration build up, we will either go to heaven or we will all go to hell. Madiba in his ailing years will see a South Africa fundamentally diff from what he fought for, but its not better, its not worse, its just diff.
the test will come once he has passed, will SA make it on their own after so long, can we live in the idilyic africa? or will we sink into the hell that africa has become for so many? - craig |
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My Dear Tshepo,
23/07/2008 16:14
I salute Madiba the exceptional man & leader. Not the fact hat he is black or ANC. If the USA had a leader like him, they would not be in Iraq today. You little snot noses on these forums really need a bit more growing up (maturing) before you will understand that the world is not Africa and Africa is not the world. And the ANC is not God. - TB |
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Good one Unathi
23/07/2008 16:15
I don't think I would have said it better myself. I like Mandela with all my heart, but I think we are getting carried away here with this Madiba birthday- enough is enough. SA has other heroes as well. - Lide |
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Tsepo
23/07/2008 16:18
There was this little war called the Border war from '68 and lasted for about 15 years that consisted mostly of communist SWAPO and Fapla forces.The communist Cubans was also involved and got their arses whooped by the SANDF. this all happened on the border of South West Africa(now called Namibia) and Angola.Althoug Communist Russia wasnt directly involved they did supply weapons and 'supervisors' - shane |
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ANC has no monopoly on the struggle for freedom.
23/07/2008 16:31
Quite frankly the struggle wasn't a one party show. What about Biko, Goniwe and Sobukwe? The tragedy is that todays youth aren't even aware of life outside the ANC pre 1994.
It was in fact Sobukwe who organised the dompaas march at Sharpville with it's terrible result that finally brought SA & apartheid to the worlds attention. - DavidD |
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@ Tshepo
23/07/2008 16:35
SADF destroyed the Soviet backed forces and East Germans and Cubans in side Angola. Ops vietnam, Moscow, Protea you name it. And Swapo, and MK? Killed civillians. Worked with 1Bn, 44Bn, 32Bn so watch out. - Filemon |
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What utter rubbish
23/07/2008 16:36
Worthless piece of writing. clearly you dont have the insight to understand the difference between what Madiba did and what the current ANC lot is doing. One cannot even compare the two. Get a life. - Gus |
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A great man
23/07/2008 16:40
Madiba he is what he is today because he is a member of the ANC,its unfortunate that he was in prison for 27 years because of apartheid which was solely driven by white people,and today when we are trying to redress the imbalances of the past, we are told they will go to Europe as if they need our permission to leave our land in peace and harmony.Europe is where they originate from so it serve us best if they go back,in fact they have over-stayed their welcome.all they are good at is whining. - tshepo |
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Unathikie
23/07/2008 16:40
Did you know that Mandela refused to be release on conditions that was set by the apartheid regime.Did you know that he was prepared to die for white and black domination.Did you know that even when in jail he had secret meetings with the apartheid regime. The list goes on and what I can say Unathikie is "Jy is nog naat agter jou ore". You should have researched first and you wouldn't have published this article. - LSG |
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The article
23/07/2008 16:40
I am afraid I tend to agree with the author. I switched off the radio, after hearing that song dedicated to Madiba. Enough is enough! We all know he is a great man, but we dont have to be reminded all throughout the day, and trust me, I was not the only one. You are truly a vaer brave man Unathi! - carol |
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Madiba was, is and will always be part of the ANC
23/07/2008 16:48
Madiba, the great man has made the ANC what it is today. He started the RDP and AA and BEE, and he deserves credit for doing so. He fought against racism, fought to help the poor, everything that the ANC is currently doing. He just did it in a kindly way. Support him and you support all the good things that are happening, and even some bad in this country. What poor memories you people have, and what poor knowledge of our history. - WAM |
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Madibamania
23/07/2008 17:06
On what basis are kings crowned? They are leaders of nations. Madiba was a leader of a ruling party in this country which still is. He brought to us peace,Fogiveness and harmony amongst different races. Does that not make him a king to be crowned? People like you need to be responded to by old BOB, who will simply call you an IDIOT. Stop your idiotic expressions and start writing something we all can enjoy,as a nation that is healling. - EMB |
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@ UNATHI.............!!!
23/07/2008 18:10
Unathi, enough of this madiba rubbish now! Please, don't we have important issues to talk about that be foreverv talking about this old man as if he God..................this is becoming very very annoying now. SIS!! - MPHO |
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Enough
24/07/2008 06:34
I am also Madiba'd out! Although I have a positive impression of the man, the idol worship and religious fervour that people have because they want to 'fit in' is a little unhealthy to say the least and mnake a mockery of millions of others who did their bit. - AJ |
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mpho
24/07/2008 08:33
Mpho, that is not how you should say it, pls reserve your comment. Madiba is not God, but he made a huge contribution in our Country. - Maanda |
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