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Satanists 'would not do that'
19/08/2008 08:37  - (SA)  

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  • Ernst Geyser, News24 User

    I feel deeply disturbed by the claims of the recent "Satanic killing" at a school in Krugersdorp.

    As sensational as it may seem, claiming that Satan told the child in question to kill his fellow students and school employees seems like such an easy copout for the parents and teachers alike to pass the buck and blame "the devil" instead of taking personal responsibility for their own failure to recognise that the behaviour of this child was screaming out for help and guidance.

    It smacks of ignorance and ill-educated conclusions. Now before the inevitable "moral attack" that will soon follow, I need to mention that I have for many years viewed and accepted myself as a Satanist, have owned and studied all available Satanic literature published by the Church Of Satan as founded by Anton Szandor Lavey.

    This equips me with the knowledge to give an educated opinion on the views and principles of true Satanists. The fact that this child walked into school and senselessly slaughtered another pupil and then said to the school principle "Wat now meneer?" is a clear sign that this child is emotionally disconnected and has severe psychological problems.

    Blame lies elsewhere

    I personally lay the blame squarely on the parents and teachers for not intervening when this child was clearly showing signs of emotional and psychological distress. And furthermore that these people are in fact cowards for blaming "Satanic music" instead of taking responsibility for their own ignorance towards this child's emotional plight.

    The truth is that Satanism is not a theistic religion and no true Satanist would ever claim that Satan told them to do something stupid for the simple reason that a true Satanist does not believe in the existence of such an "evil deity".

    Satanism as a philosophy utilises Satan as a symbol representative of man's own carnal nature and contrary to popular belief, teaches one to take responsibility for one's own actions and to not subscribe to the superstitious "ghosts and ghouls" dreamed up by other religious sectors of society.

    Anyone who is educated with regard to satanic views and principles would know that this child acted against what is taught by Satanism by committing the two top "Satanic sins" namely, stupidity and self-sacrifice.

    The "power" of the Satanist lies within sound intellect and a powerful untainted mind. Thus any self-destructive behaviour such as drug abuse and self mutilation is completely denounced. The reasoning is simple: Satanism advocates self-adornment and pride separating the weak from the strong; drug abuse is for the weak!

    Education

    My advice to any parent (religious or not) whose children show occult interest is to buy / borrow / find a copy of the Satanic Bible written by Anton Lavey and educate themselves about the true views and principles practiced by real Satanists as this would most likely prevent the child from pursuing the dangerous and skewed perception of this philosophy painted by the uneducated portions of society.

    The child would then most likely lose interest in Satanism as they would be disappointed to find that it does not advocate the worship of ghost and ghouls but instead suggests that man accepts responsibility for himself and embrace his own human nature.

    If the child then still chooses to pursue Satanism, at least it would be the true version that teaches personal responsibility and constructive human behaviour and mental stability as apposed to the destructive version of Satanism created by religious perception.

    Calling this a "Satanic Killing" is extremely laughable and an irresponsible copout by the parents and teachers who obviously neglected this child's emotional and psychological needs!

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      Thanks for a balanced comment
    19/08/2008 08:46
    I am not a satanist but agree that its being used as a cop-out. Thanks for this well balanced article and putting it into perspective. I agree with a lot of what you have said. - Kay
     
      Sounds like this is written by Satan himself
    19/08/2008 08:47
    I wonder who you will blame when your children do something like this. Please wake up you ignorent fool. This is what Satan does and did for many years and will try to do in future. There is only God and satan - Life and death. With whom do you spend your time with? The fruits are in the roots. Obviously if you knew God you would not wright such rubbish. - Sam
     
      Wow...
    19/08/2008 08:48
    Well this is something diffrent. But like they say " What ever rocks your boat" Cant wait to see what the people of christ has to say about it. - Marc
     
      Satanism
    19/08/2008 08:49
    Quite a confusing religion this satanism thing... the "true" satanists denounce the "pseudo" satanists etc etc. If the child in question believes he was led by satan who the hell are you to argue that? You guys do not even believe in satan but call yourselves satanists... oi vey ...signed confusedly yours, the IceCreamMan - IceCreamMan
     
      Sounds familiar
    19/08/2008 08:49
    Didn't Hansie try the same defense? - anon
     
      Keep on dreaming
    19/08/2008 08:53
    Ef6:12 "...because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against principalities, against authorities, against the universal lords of this darkness, against spiritual {power} of wickedness in the heavenlies". Wake up people or face the consequences. - Sam
     
      YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING
    19/08/2008 08:53
    There is just not enough space to refute the rubbish written in this column but the point regarding the "top sins" of satanism, one being "self-sacrifice" begs replying to. How is slashing an innocent childs throat "self sacrifice"? Please dont accept this column as anything other than an excuse to worship EVIL. Other religtions (ALL of them, Christian or not) do not need to excuse their behaviour. Get yourself and children to church as quickly and often as possible! Bring them to God! - COS
     
      100% on the spot.
    19/08/2008 08:54
    Being a Satanist myself I must thank you for this article. Hollywood and right wing religious movements have often made us out to be the something to fear and hate. Its time people stop blaming the "devil" and start taking responsibility for themselves and their children. True satanists would condem these actions not find some sort of joy in it. My condolences to the family of the victim. - Kneel
     
      satanism = Nietzsche-ism?
    19/08/2008 08:54
    So true satanism is being egotistical and ultimately nihilistic? I can see why that might be attractive to some people, but you might be better off just calling yourself followers of Nietzsche then - less prejudice. On another note (pardon the pun), to quote Battery 9: "Een of ander tyd soek almal iets om te blameer: Jou ma, jou pa, jou musiek, die duiwel, die bediende of di?at die land regeer! Pak die skuld op iemand anders - dit maak minder seer!" - Oom_Kosie
     
      100% thumbs up!!
    19/08/2008 08:55
    you r correct, parents who cared would have recognised a emotionally troubled child much earlier. Fasinating that there is real moral fibre in satanism, especially how poorly its been recieved for the last thousands of years...(not that i care for it much, it is fasinating though) - Roberto
     
      BAD PARENTING
    19/08/2008 08:55
    I have been in a Metal band for 16 years now... STILL kicking it and doing well AND I am also a proud parent. Blame an artform for this attack is beyond me. I am quite capable to see a behaviour change in my child with regards to my actions as a parent. She is wonderfull and YES I do consider myself a GREAT DAD, BUT for the media to slam metal in this sense is truly arrogant and LAME, EVERYTHING on this earth is what we make of it. The blame for this falls SOLELY ON THE PARENTS! - Francois
     
      Satanist killing
    19/08/2008 08:55
    Thank-you Jesus, is this scary or what? - SJB
     
      Rubbish
    19/08/2008 08:56
    How can you say that satanism teaches a child personal responsibility.....utter rubbish.. GO BURN IN HELL!!! Because this is where you and your kind belong. You've been clearly brain washed by the devil and his so called "bible". There is only one God and that is our Lord up in heaven... You are a lost soul my friend... - I'm a christian
     
      Agree but not entirely
    19/08/2008 08:56
    Why are we such buck passers? Why are people blaming satanism, music, and the parents? Why don't we blame the boy? He did it, not music or his parents. Lets face it, at matric one is able to break away from any bad up bringing by the parents etc etc. I had an abuse father and he never tought me anything but violance. But i still feel that if i do harm someone one day I'm to blame, not my parents, teachers or a rock band. Lets put the blame on him, he is a lunatic period! Leave the others alone. - RG
     
      Discipline
    19/08/2008 08:57
    It is a simple lack of discipline & poor immoral upbringing that causes all these problems. For starters, look at the ridiculous hairstyle of the idiot in the photograph. Most of the young men of today spend most of their mornings sitting in front of a mirror putting gel & moose & crap in their hair. They spend the rest of their days trying to look & act like idiots. I suspect their behaviour is patterned on the American Ghetto culture. - Malcolm X
     
      Ongoing Indecisiveness
    19/08/2008 08:57
    The police captain on the SABC TV 2 news last night said that an investigation of the perpertrators home revealed a host of Satanistic parphenalia....what more evidence does a peson require - rosemary
     
      Thanks Ernst
    19/08/2008 08:58
    Interesting read, although we are poles apart in belief systems! You're feeling brave this morning aren't you! Dont expect the responses to be as equally measured. - AJ
     
      Devils in the detail!
    19/08/2008 08:58
    Hmmmm....if I were to understand satanism I would more than likely spend time reading objective historical accounts than some contempory philosophers version of satanism. If self-preservation and smartness is the main theme of your religion then it is more than likely that you will downplay any association to an entity which is associated with pure hatred. BTW, the religion you describe in your article is humanism! - DMC
     
      Phew
    19/08/2008 08:59
    Notwithstanding the satan aspect, the parents and teachers should have picked up the behavioural changes of the child- such a change does not happen overnight. To blame music, 'evil' or not is also lame. How many other children and grown up listen to heavy metal and do not go on killing sprees. If it was found out that he watched the Gummi Bears, would they also be to blame? The problem lies with the individual. Until the kid has been assessed, I guess we can only speculate as to what happened. - Mark T
     
      Agree
    19/08/2008 08:59
    Thanks for teh article. Its always a matter of ignorance of other religions. Interesting read, and fully agree that its an easy excuse for incompatent (sp) parents/teachers. - JJM
     
      Satan or no Satan
    19/08/2008 08:59
    What happened in Krugersdorp yesterday surely shocked the whole nation, my sympathies go to the families of the affected parties and the school. However this somewhat teaches us a lesson as the nation , as communities and as parents. The lesson that we will take from this is that we should look after our children. Most parents today are only concerned with thier careers not knowing that they are falling shot of taking care of thier children. It's a lesson to all of us, next time, it's your kid. - Thokozani
     
      Stick to your sad foolish life
    19/08/2008 09:00
    Some teens and parents are eternally dead because they dont know the ultimate truth, the Word of God, and when such things happen they ask dumb questions of who to blame for this. I feel sad for you. Please keep on trying to minimize God and His word and see more of this. - Sam
     
      holier than thou christians
    19/08/2008 09:00
    I am not a satanist, but through the ages christians have used satanism as an excuse for almost anything. How do you know your religion is the right one? Think of it from the other religions point of few as well. They think their religion is the only true one and that all christians are wrong. Anyway i agree that the child in the article probably have psychological problems. And to Sam...christians have done the exact same thing over the ages...christian crusades, burning of so called witches et. - RA
     
      I agree
    19/08/2008 09:00
    Though I am not a satanist, I also don't see myself as a christian. I totally agree with you. This young man probably did it to get attention as his parents does not seem to know anything that went on in their son's life. - stella
     
      Very well said!
    19/08/2008 09:00
    Ernst, I couldn't agree more: Witnessing how many times people try to find a scapegoat when they themselves are to blame, is shocking. I'm non-religious, so I don't have any "scapegoats": when I screw up, I'm to blame. Easy as that. Thanks for the article, very well written and very informative, I just hope other people see it in the same light. - Chris
     
      Satanism
    19/08/2008 09:01
    Cannot say that I subscribe to your satanic mumbo jumbo, but I do believe that sicko's out there always use the cop out that "the devil made me do it:. Must also agree that the majority of parents and teachers are not envolved enough in childrens upbringing and it starts from the age when they are able to put a child in front of the television for hours instead of taking an active part in their care giving. - Bogeyman
     
      Ernst
    19/08/2008 09:02
    A well written letter which will of course be bombarded by those who do not embrace your beliefs and will spew forth all their reasons why Satanism is evil etc. Personally I think the kid was psycho and the reasons for that, need to be addressed by his parents & his teachers. Blaming a deity (or any thing else for that matter) is a cop-out! - Martin Godfrey
     
      popcorn
    19/08/2008 09:02
    me gets popcorn, props feet up on desk, and gets ready to be entertained. - Craig
     
      Sanity prevails
    19/08/2008 09:02
    The religious zealots out there are going to love this little piece! I will make sure that I read what they have to say in a couple of hours. Man this will be fun! Apart from that Ernst, you are an educated man and have written a great article. - Metallica Man
     
      Am shocked to say the least
    19/08/2008 09:03
    Its high time South Africa shud do something about respecting human life. Everyone, big or small,ugly or nor not, old or young AND MOST OF ALL SATANISTS( yu do weird staff).People here in SA die like chickens, u dont respect life and when these culprits are arrested their sentence in jail is 5 years and they are back in the society.God help SA. As for the above Writter you need Jesus and stop boasting about your Satanism, yu are the very people contributing to this problem. Surely am shocked. - Christian
     
      So I've heard...
    19/08/2008 09:03
    The biggest lie, satan convinced the world he doesnt exist :) - one man
     
      Matric finals looming
    19/08/2008 09:03
    I believe the attack happened because students do not get any assistance on dealing with pressure(stress, but i dont like to call it that). It seems everyone missed the fact that he was about to start writing exams, and having been trough this already these may have seemed to him as his biggest task yet. Everyone who has done matric know that these exams are stressed to the point that you may start believing if you do not pass your life is over!! Total rubbish. - Tys
     
      I agree
    19/08/2008 09:03
    I agree. Blaming a religion, no matter how distasteful the religion may be, is very ignorant. I think the parents of the child need to take responsibility. - Deena
     
      Being Spritually Blind
    19/08/2008 09:04
    Jesus said,"If you were blind, you were not guilty of sin; but know that you claim you can see, your guilt remains". - John
     
      Listen to them!
    19/08/2008 09:04
    I do not believe this type of thing just happens. This child is obviously lost and has probably being threatening to do something radical for a while. Children want love, boundaries and most of all, they want to be heard! - Peter
     
      Fantastic
    19/08/2008 09:05
    At long last a true believer in his religion and a educated person is Ernst. As for the guy who slaughtered a fellow pupil, the parents and teachers should be looking at what they did, or did not do to put this child on the right tracks. The law should hold them resposible for his death. SA Gov Schools must be the worst on the planet these days. Well done Naledi Pandor - Joe Soap - Nick
     
      Satan himself?
    19/08/2008 09:05
    Sam, In this day & age, I have to say I can only marvel at people that remain so closed minded as to assume that their beliefs are the one & only...were u to venture outside of ur comfort zone, u would see that everything that is in ur Bible, is also in Greek Mythology, Hinduism, etc. with merely different names...ur words are quite harsh for a "Christian", after all does ur Bible not advocate "Judge not, lest ye be judged."Ernst, thanks for a great article, really puts things in perspective. - Marc
     
      So agree
    19/08/2008 09:05
    I don't know much about satanism, but I do agree that we can't blame this event on satanism or metal music.It still lies within that child to make the decision - don't find other scape goats. And don't be so hasty to blame the parents - some teens retract from society & parents allow them to do this thinking it's just a 'phase'. I'm sure even his parents don't recognize him now. Read the book '19 minutes' by Jodi Picoult (based losely on true events of a school shooting) it'll change your views. - Liesel
     
      Insult or not?
    19/08/2008 09:05
    Is it insulting or complimentary to tell a Satanist to go to hell? Not sure I got that? - AJ
     
      I agree
    19/08/2008 09:06
    I am a Christian but don't really believe that it is so easy.Killing someone obviously comes from a bad place and the devil is at work there but i agree that there is factors more to home that can lead to something like this.I don't think the devil came knocking on his door and told him to do it.It takes i weak mind to snap like this, something not a lot of people can see comming.It's very sad. - VJ
     
      You have..........
    19/08/2008 09:06
    .........spoken like a true satanists, Sam - I agree with you completely. This is something beyond ignorance and its sad how people always theorise satan. The fact is there cannot be a Kingdom of Light without the Kingdom of Darkness. It is true parents need to teach their children good values but then again its something else if parents and teachers are themselves inclined to being fooled by satan. - KLZ
     
      Thanx
    19/08/2008 09:07
    Thanx for the constructive and condemning comments. To those "christians" here who so quickly condemn me to "hell", thanx for showing expressing your hatred towards me. I am sure it is in exact accordance with your own righteous religion. The point I am trying to make in this article is that if you care about your children and see satanism as such a big threat, then it is your responsibility to EDUCATE yourself about it. - Ernst Geyser
     
      Do not mislead our nation about Satanism
    19/08/2008 09:07
    I disagree with what you have indicated that these cannot be the work of Satanism. We have read so many books about Satanism and we have so many testimonies of former Satanists. Satanists do evil practices, human and cats sacrifices, drinking of human blood, and many more. Satanists intent to destroy families, fight against those who believe in God, especially You hate the name Jesus. Do not mislead our people. People can read a book, written by Rebeccah Brown,"I Came to set the captives free" - Modibe
     
      Evil Knivel
    19/08/2008 09:07
    Christians screeming: You are brainwashed by the devil and his book!! Evil! Evil!.. Anybody hear of the crusades? During the black plague christians poisened jewish wells because they believed they brought it on them. This dude is just trying to make evrybody understand that true satanist believe in self-control, and not sacrifising cats. Kids do that because their PARENTS ignore them! Satan and Rock music in the same sentence? Sounds like 80's SA.. Now there was real evil!! - Heinrich
     
      Thank you!
    19/08/2008 09:07
    Yup, he clearly didn't get the cardinal rule - Lex talionis - thanks Ernst for putting it straight! - L
     
      And this my friends...
    19/08/2008 09:07
    is the true beauty of freedom of speech and freedom of religion. As a Christian, I do not agree with Ernst view on religion, but at least I will respect his views and I will certainly not stoop so low as to condemn him for it. - konstabel
     
      Sugar coating!
    19/08/2008 09:07
    Intersesting,however not entirely complete. We must remember that Satan knows no such thing as law and order, his nature is anarchy and pain. And the one way he can get back at his enemy, God, is to attack those who were made in His image, us. So why would you say this is not how satan works, when satan will use anything at his disposal to harm Gods creation? He will never follow guidlines on how to act. I don't know what caused the kid to do this.But don't sugar coat satans nature & his mission! - Stefan
     
      Misleading
    19/08/2008 09:08
    With reference to the first paragraph under the heading EDUCATION: does one heve to learn bad english in order to speak good english? Why investigate something parading as good in order to teach a child the difference between good and bad? It does not make sense - but then neither does satn or his followers who disguise themselves as Angels of Light on many occasions... does a spider make its web obvious? or does it disguise it. Think for yourself - rosemary
     
      Hey Charcole worshiper
    19/08/2008 09:08
    Your beloved horned one is obvously the main cause of all destruction and inbalance in this fragile world. Your defence of this foul creature disturbs me deeply. The root of most teenage anger and psyco like disorders are mainly aggrivated by aggresive and evil lyrics in most black metal and comercial metal like Slipknot Korn, etc. It is truly sad to know that there are people like you advertising and motivating them to get a copy of the black book ,are you sick ,not all of us want toBurn like " - Freddy van der Merwe
     
      that is not what Christians want to hear
    19/08/2008 09:08
    Ah Ernst, do you want war on your hands? dnt you remember even Hansie said th devil made him do it. Christians need a scapegoat for their issues tht they cannot take responsibility for, so Satan is always convenient. when a child is fallin apart as in this case, where were the parents? children today are exposed to a lot more than we were as kids, but tht does not make them any less vulnerable: so yes, where were the parents? - Lyndi
     
      I choose life
    19/08/2008 09:09
    Ernst Geyser, I can't believe you have the audacity to spew the contents of your twisted little mind in a public forum like this. A whole community is reeling after a senseless murder, that was committed by a boy acting under instructions from the devil (his words, not mine) I also see that news24 will allow anything to be published if ratings go up by 1%. You disgust me. I hope that you find your salvation before you die. What do you have to look forward to when you do? - Boerseun
     
      But one day
    19/08/2008 09:10
    ...we will be judged according to how we lived our lives. Each to their own but believe me Jesus is coming back for His own.My prayer goes out to you lost sheep. - Person of Christ
     
      Stop pointing fingers
    19/08/2008 09:11
    Any religion where the son of the god that is worshiped advocates that you drink his blood and eat his flesh seems a little weird to me. Lets not forget the other atrocities that are preached by the bible, a book that surely needs a "parental advisory" sticker on the front page. - No religion
     
      Cry
    19/08/2008 09:11
    Please read the book by Roger Morneau - Deception in the last days. - Friend of Jesus
     
      Anton LaVey
    19/08/2008 09:11
    Firstly, good on you for giving your opinion. But although I am not a satanist in any sense of the term - and there are many - I have also looked into the belief system. And there are other satanistic "cults" for lack of a better word than the one of Anton LaVey. Some of them are indeed "anti-christians" who follow the satan as the antagonist of Christ. Just because you do not recognise them as true Satanists will not make them believe less that they are Satanists. Just a thought. - Bridget
     
      What about love?
    19/08/2008 09:12
    Thank you for this insightful article about satanism. So, you don't actually believe in satan, you just use him as a symbol. What strikes me of the article and all the comments is the lack of compassion and love displayed from both sides of the fence. Our God is a God of love. He despises sins, but he loves people dearly. ALL people. Maybe we should teach that to our children: to love and be loved - thats the greatest gift. - I love Jesus
     
      to I'm a christian
    19/08/2008 09:12
    I do not believe that someone using this tone "GO BURN IN HELL!!! Because this is where you and your kind belong" and "you are a lost sole my friend" can call him/herself a true Christian... There is no point in attacking the person who wrote the article, try to stick to the point people...and please if you claim to be a Christian try to portray that in your writing! - Anno
     
      Get the facts straight...
    19/08/2008 09:12
    If you were as educated as you claim you are, you would know there are basically two types of Satanism. LaVeyan Satanism (the one you are part of), this is more a type of atheism than anything else and Theistic Satanism, also known as Traditional Satanism, this is the belief that Satan is an actual deity or force worthy of reverence or worship. This type of Satanism is linked to various rituals and acts like black mass etc. Hope you discover the love of Jesus soon Ernst! It changed my life!! - TR
     
      Wake up O sleeper!
    19/08/2008 09:13
    Satanic what? you also have a bible? There is only one true God and He is not found in the 'satanic bible'.May your eyes be opened to the Living God,the great I AM.JESUS IS LORD!!! - kj
     
      @Joe Soap & Metallica Man & others
    19/08/2008 09:15
    Your opinion of Ernst as being an "intelligent" man is exactly why Satanism is so dangerous - it gets stupid people like you to think it is something to be played with, something to be attracted to. How much easier for a child, especially a lost child, to be influenced by it. God is waiting, accept Him as your Lord and Saviour. - cos
     
      This is a first
    19/08/2008 09:15
    time ever I've read a total different explanation of Satanism in my life. This is a revelatio. Anyone out there who can testify to this? Sofa sifunda. "Each one teach one, Teach one each one". "Alluta Continua" - Ndidiniwe
     
      100%
    19/08/2008 09:15
    Why do we always have to look for other things to blame, should we not just say that this child was a little F... up in the head.And to you so called Christians, go and read your best seller,Christians have done far worse things than this. Christianity is the root to all eval. - Bush Baptist
     
      ...
    19/08/2008 09:15
    Wonder if anyone have notices that since they removed Bible study from schools the violence amongst children increased...... - emily
     
      Good & Evil
    19/08/2008 09:15
    All religions are man-made. So regardless of whether you as this 'Righteous' Satanist who believes that we all have a skewed idea of what 'The Real Satanist' is all about we still have to come down to the basis of good/bad, right/wrong, positive/negative. Religion has been the excuse for all major wars on our planet and continues to cause separation amongst the human race. When people blame Satanism or satanic music they simply blame what they have been taught to believe is evil and wrong. - Warren
     
      bravo Sir!
    19/08/2008 09:15
    I have just sauntered over from iol.co.za after reading another laughable 'THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT' article. I left a note on their forum about what rubbish journalism it was. Though I may not be a serving satanist I certainly am a nilihist and can compeltely relate to your stance. A big hats off to news24.com for posting it knowing it will be a bone of contention. You have my new found respect. - Laura
     
      'satan' etc
    19/08/2008 09:15
    Hmm. What the main story writer has advocated is nothing more than good old existentialism. Which says there is no divine or magical scaffolding to our lives, and when we accept this truth we can choose to take full responsibility and become truly human. But even so, responsible Christians are invited to become truly human (which also means not judging others' ways of being) by means of God's grace. This awful murder is surely, obviously, simply, a case of a child who is hectically messed up. - rover
     
      WHAT
    19/08/2008 09:16
    If satanism is such a good thing then why do you people operate in SECRET - were are your churches and meeting places and who are your leaders and what to you and your good satanic religion contribute to our society. Christianity in it self also proclaims that we should not commit adultery but still many Christians today do commit it and that does not mean that they are not Christians and that is the same with this boy ? the possibility that he have been influenced by satan or satanic influences should not be ignored at this point in time - colin
     
      Ag PLEASE!
    19/08/2008 09:16
    Just an excuse for the lazy cop's not to conduct a proper investigation. I personally think the idiot was on drugs or something. Why when people do not have answers do they always turn to religion and blame Satan. The same with that steers ad with the women. Did you see the complaints on hellopeter. Most of them said straight from the Devil or hell. People grow up. There are mental people amongst us. Accept that fact and stop blaming religion. I am not a Satanist but SICK of the religion card. - Neil
     
      Who are you?
    19/08/2008 09:16
    I read all the responses and I must admit that I am ashamed of the so called Christians, who are you to judge, I am a Christian but will always listen to others and endure their views. What Ernest have said was the truth in the sense that it is far easier to point the blame somewhere else than ourselves. The PARENTS and TEACHERS are to blame for this, they should have seen that there was something not right with this boy and acted upon this, however it is far easier to ignore the cries of the youth than to face it. Now a message to all the PARENTS out there??BE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR KIDS, LOOK FOR SIGNS AND HELP THEM BEFORE IT IS TO LATE. - Martin
     
      Christians are embarrasing
    19/08/2008 09:16
    Yes I said and will say it again, Christians are the evil ones here, they wish people to a life of eternal damnation, they insult and mock. I truly celebrate that I am not a Christian today by reading the utter disgusting statements by so called Christians. Ernst, thank you for the very interesting article, it was a good read, unlike the embarrassing Chrisitans, I am ashamed of them. - Point Blank
     
      Satanism
    19/08/2008 09:17
    Dont underestimate this. the devil made Hansie take money for information and to throw games. - Shirley
     
      Sam - I'm calling you out
    19/08/2008 09:17
    You are exactly what's wrong with Christianity and why I despise it's followers. Stop trying to force your opinion down on everyone else. It is arrogant. You judging other people only adds to the joke your religion has become. Open your goddamn eyes and ears for a change. - anon
     
      Poor Christians
    19/08/2008 09:17
    This is very interesting point about Satanism, I don't wish to be one but I will do some reading. As always Chrsitian have jumped to stand in the mountain arrogance by quoting their poorly written bible which has been creating division amongst the communities of the world. Christians must learn that there are other source of knowledge beyond the bible. God has given us minds to use to seek more knowledge around and beyond us so that we can understand and appreciate his greatness..Not in bible - Gwinya
     
      @ AJ: Insult or not?
    19/08/2008 09:17
    Thanx AJ :-)lol... You just made my morning :-) Hilarious... :-)lol - GP
     
      Reasons
    19/08/2008 09:17
    Youngsters of today that kill have many pretty handy defenses- They play PC games like Doom,they listen to Heavy Metal music, they watch violent movies, satan made me do it- and I am sure there are others. Wow. Handy to have them. - Mark T
     
      Once again
    19/08/2008 09:18
    Once again christians are right and everbody else is wrong i see. Exactly why i stopped going to church and read my bible at home rather. Too many two faces money grabbing people in church trying to buy their way into heaven. Boerseun why can't Ernst have his say? It is a free country. It doesn't make him right , but neither does it make your opinion the right or wrong one - RA
     
      Satanism a reality!!!
    19/08/2008 09:19
    All I can say: "Father have mercy on us!". You cannot be half pregnant. You either worshop Jesus our King or the prince of darkness. We are living in a broken world and with opinions like the one of Ernst Geyser how can children not be affected. Demon possesion is as old as the world. It is the worst thing that can happen to a child whether they come from a good or bad home. South Africa should be on their knees before God - not playing "freedom". We lost it a long time ago. - Kings Kid
     
      Religion
    19/08/2008 09:19
    Well said. The real culprit here is DOE, teachers and parents. Since religion was taken out of school all wrong perspectives of the religion was born. To Im Christian, boet you must realy educate yourself further and not just believe what you are taught. You are right, but read up more on satanism. Know your enemy. You might get a reality check. You must remember Lucifer was kicked out of heaven because of his pride he was engulfed in and lead a rebellion. Satanism is all about that. - Get Real
     
      What did satan do?
    19/08/2008 09:19
    ..well he stole two young boy's lifes.. and this is acceptable, you will direct accusations away from satan, I mean he does not exist, he is a mith isnt he. I can tell you one thing, I serve the Lord in Jesus name, He is my protection forever. Still I will go out and help those who dont know Him to get a life that make sence so that they can go out and rejoice forever. - Sam
     
      The Cause
    19/08/2008 09:20
    If you read between the lines what really caused this kid to do what he did was bullying at school. But then again who wants to stop the crusade? - Ray
     
      Open your eyes...
    19/08/2008 09:20
    Only the boy knows and i dont think that we as a society can deny the fact that God exists any more than we can deny that satan exists...the proof is in the pudding and a boy was murdered...but as the bible says "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord" so there will come a time when we all acknowledge God for now though looks like ignorance is bliss to most... - Kez
     
      Complete lack of logic!
    19/08/2008 09:21
    If Slipknot's music really drove him to kill, where are all their other fans because no one else has killed because of their music. Oh they must be hiding out under bridges slaughtering cats and drinking their blood! You closed minded christians are what is wrong with the world, you can be as evil as you like during the week as long as you pray about it on Sunday! - Whatever
     
      interesting...
    19/08/2008 09:21
    I am not a Satanist either but found your article absolutely facinating! You see i have been brought up in a christian house and have been taught that 'a true believer does not question the bible!' and i have learnt that it is thus thinking that leads to mans inability to see further than his own toes! - Zee
     
      Well thought out comment...
    19/08/2008 09:22
    Nice to get a new perspective on the idea of Satanism as a religion, Its taught me something! As a Pagan, I find we are often confused with Satanists by the god squad, even though we believe in the idea of: 'an harm ye none, do as ye will'. Its funny you?re being accused of being brainwashed, when the accusers actually sound like they?ve been brainwashed by the church! Just as an aside: God wiped out the earth with the flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah (to name a few) ? how many people did the devil kill in the bible?!? - The Horned God
     
      Ernst
    19/08/2008 09:22