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Bokke
25/08/2008 12:37
You make great points,unfortunately in s.a we hate to lose and we always want heads to fall when we lose.Lets give pdv a chance,the tri nations is over and it was a huge failure,but we have identified a few good players.Adi has played well in every game and the beast has been our best forward by far.The only problem I have is that there is alot more negative points than positive points and pdv must sort it out before the end of the year when we tour europe. - Rv |
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Schalk as impact
25/08/2008 12:38
player?? You cant be serious! - Mart |
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very naive
25/08/2008 12:39
sorry peter, but you are a bit naive. pdv is completely out of his depth, and he is on a hiding to nothing, nothing will prevent it. he inherited the world champion team, but has managed to turn that into the joke of world rugby in the space of 3 months. the other coaches you mention were never in the same position. - Jock |
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Not too bad Pieter
25/08/2008 12:40
Your ideas have merit, however 'snor' is not a coach with any credentials to speak of. A blatant case of political interference - 'Lets reward mediocrity in the name of transformatio.' We lost because of a bad game: loose frowards in the backline and not clearing out the rucks. No fetcher flank will always mean our loosies are not balanced. Everyone hangng about to swing the ball wide instead of supporting the runner. DE Villers must go before the fans do! - neville bishop |
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Agreed, but....
25/08/2008 12:42
if PDV had a game plan that is visible (not just stated in media) then i would agree fully.There is no structure to SA's play at this stage. Furhtermore, Schalk as replacement you cannot be serious. if it wasn't for him, more tries would be scored against us!! - Mart |
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Agreed!
25/08/2008 12:43
Agree with you 100%! Especially about which players to drop and only play in the 2nd half. Luke Watson is terrible and seriously does not belong in the team! - Ryan |
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I Like it!!!
25/08/2008 12:45
a lot! Great post! - Poepol |
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True True...
25/08/2008 12:47
Bobby would be an excellent choice - he is the only one that makes any sense on Supersport these days - Naas is not what he used to be!!! I agree with your selections as well, Kankowski must be given a chance now - Spies doesnt do much and Watson (the most arrogant oke in the team - and he doesnt even belong there) must get dropped!!!! - KS |
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I like
25/08/2008 12:50
Some good points here. I like the thinking with regards your player selections (maybe a bit harsh on Schalk, but perhaps worth a try). Spies and Butch are just not on top of their games right now (although great players) so I like your changes there. Jantjes is lacking in confidence and not at international standard so I would prefer Steyn at fullback - just instruct him to play within a gameplan. We're also desperately lacking in leadership on the field - hurry back John Smit! - Stu |
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PDV cannot not let government and politics interfere that will be his downfall
25/08/2008 12:50
I aggree no other coach has truely transformed the boks into a truely transformed group of players like jake white did and create a winning culture in rugby. We as south african rugby fans though are having to let go of our winning culture now and tactical decisions as well as the change in the transformation of a top notch team is adding to our demise. Had this been the barclays english premier league or spanish league the coach would have been fired by now. PDV is not our Jose Mourinho Jake is - terence |
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Agree
25/08/2008 12:52
with a lot that you have analised. Unfortunatley Helium biggest problem is that he is trying to change the culture of bok rugby. Thats the way we have won 2 out of 4 WC's. He is forcing an unnatural gameplan and is not getting the buy in from the players. He is starting to break records and sadly it is going to get worse before it gets better. But then the best man for the job should have been appointed in the 1st place!! - Sad Bok |
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Decent solutions to tough problems
25/08/2008 12:53
Good ideas, Peter, although I'd still play Ruan at scrumhalf - its where he flourishes best, and he hasn't had nearly enough game time in flyhalf.
I've always said Steyn is a Fullback, and I'll continue to believe that no matter what. His pace and vision from the back will make him even better than Monty in 100 caps time (if he gets that far)
Piet Snor's PR campaign is abmismal, if SARU and him are rebuilding the team, then let them say it publicly and let the public know what's going on! - Janseq |
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How To Win...
25/08/2008 12:55
Peter Neill's article started off quite well until his Sharks' bias took over and all objectivity was lost! Luke Watson has made a significant difference each time he's come on. Suddenly the link between the loose forwards & backs is evident ~ count the tries scored AFTER he's come on each time. Jantjies is playing superbly at fullback. Steyn has done nothing for months to inspire confidence & is, at this time, a "reputation" selection. If Grant's not good enough , give Morne Steyn a run. - Paddy |
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Sound Like Good Advice
25/08/2008 12:57
This sounds like excellent advice, but there is something you forgot to mention. Drill Jake White out of the minds of the players. When they play, it looks like they still trying to play for JW, even though he is not there. The team is good enough, the coach should just learn to stamp down his pressence, instead of sounding like a whinner - Dawid |
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What happens to winning coaches
25/08/2008 12:58
How many coaches remain after achieving the biggest achievements of their lives? White was not fired, he simply excluded himself from the selection because he did not feel he needed to apply for his job. In essence, he had already made plans by the time the decision was made. Fergusson must be the one coach that has remained year after year despite achieving everthing he could. - L |
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almost agree
25/08/2008 12:59
In my opinion SA never played a running game of rugby.Now that they are forced to(with the new elv's)they are struggling because it is not in the SA players nature. I say PDV get rid of the Jake White type of rugby player and get ones that can play the game you want.We have hundereds of them....... - Mario |
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great post
25/08/2008 12:59
All your points make sense. Some of our senior players have become a little bit stale. Juan Smith, Butch James and Schalk Burger are certainly not the same players now that won us the WC last year. The players also need to own up. It is impossible and idiotic to blame everything on the coach. Give him more time, but let him know that the pressure is on. Big time!! - the real poepol |
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But please...
25/08/2008 12:59
Get rid of JP Pietersen as well...Put Spies there, he is mostly there anyway and not in the scrums. - Win |
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Sore Losers
25/08/2008 13:00
Apparently Jake White's team lost 46-0 in Australia some time back. Is this true? - Rick Astley |
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All so easy
25/08/2008 13:02
Wonder why they did not hire you, if it was all so easy.
Point is, what I have seen of Steyn is not natural talent, but somone who thinks he is playing on his own, making bad decisions. If it was so simple and straight forward, why bother with a coach in the first place? Let PDV do what he knows the best way he knows how. If he fails after a reasonable time, fire him. SIMPLE!!! - L van Heerden |
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Drop Montgomery!
25/08/2008 13:02
I am surprised that you left out Percy Montgomery, the guy has passed expiry date already!drop him...just drop PDV...what are we doing with old horses? - Kolobe |
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PdV
25/08/2008 13:02
Peter de Villiers is totally out of his depth, he is making South African rugby the laughing stock of the world. - Nick Miles |
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Adi Jacobs
25/08/2008 13:04
Agree with most of your points except for Adi Jacobs. I feel he is Great on attack, but rather suspect on defence. We have got a host of other midfield players who are far better! - Mike |
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You have blame the admin
25/08/2008 13:04
SA sugby at its best. SARFU lets us down yet again. They advertise the coaching job before the conclusion of the WC. They have a winning coach and let him go?? Then they do hire Meyer, who argubly was the best candidate...You put incompetant people in decision making positions, they will make incompetant decisions.
It is obvious the players do not have the confidence in the coach and the results are showing.....why does he want to change a winning methodology. Pieter has dug his own grave - Jacques |
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guys lets not forget
25/08/2008 13:04
Our captain Smith is not there and this team is behaving like a snake without a head with its true captain missing,,, then players like matfield and schalk we know they are world class players but they just seem unsettled under PDV hence PDV is contributing to the bad form of these players. Unfortunately PDV seems to lack a major quality to a great coach and that is the ability to bring the best out of your players PDV just can't bring the best out of the best perhaps he is not man enough - makondo |
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Re: article
25/08/2008 13:05
"Get rid of Conrad Jantjes - he is too small..." And Matt Gitteau? He is small but the best damn back line player in the world! I still back Peter de Villiers. The only reason we lost is bad execution by the players. The Aussies did not smash us, and we still need to improve alot!! - jannie |
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Ja sure...
25/08/2008 13:07
Firstly Nick Mallet and Jake White are the best coached we've ever had! Secondly PDV sounds like an idiot at the press because he knows as much about rugby as a stripper when compared to JW. Records speak for themselves. - Stinkbug |
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agreed, but...
25/08/2008 13:08
Jean de Villiers for capt, Ruan Pienaar doesn't pass the ball... keep Fourie du Preez with Ricky on the bench. Steyn on fullback, NOT centre... - sam |
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Time...
25/08/2008 13:09
Time heals all wounds. Soon this past weekend's defeat will be forgotten!
Take these positive points from the Tri-Nations:
1. Div has learnt ALOT!
2. We beat the Kiwi's at "The house of shame", remember that feeling? Aaah, sweeter than winning the RWC...
3. We have a much clearer understanding of the player / position standings.
4. All is NOT lost, a good loss every now and then is good for any team; There is honour in defeat!
With that said, I believe time is all Div needs.
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EE Appointment
25/08/2008 13:09
The appointment of PDV must be the most visible example of what happens when people are appointed based on race and not merit. He is out of his depth and keeps contradicting himself, I don't blame the players they are clearly confused (as I would be) and with no leadership coming from PDV their individual games are falling apart. - LM 01 |
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GAME PLAN
25/08/2008 13:10
Harry Die Strandloper Viljoen was sent packing because his expansive game plan did not work. Remember the game against Argentina where we almost lost? PDV now commits rugby suicide by trying the same experiment. Peter show us you can adapt and stop being so stubborn, get the Boks back to basics, pick the right players, play percentage rugby and the wins will come. Losing is not the issue, it is losing when we play rugby with no plan and no commitment and look like fools on the field. - Tanzwes |
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De Villers
25/08/2008 13:12
I just want to know why we must change a winning formula? His expansive game plan is yet to be seen on the field. He agreed to his SARU contract so to say the fault lies with SARU is crazy. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
He is clearly out of his depth and it is time for this token appointment to leave!!! - ME |
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Aaah...
25/08/2008 13:13
...the voice of reason. Good article. I would also drop Butch James and JP Pieterson and rather opt for Peter Grant & Jongi Nokwe (once Habana returns) respectively. Victor Matfield is also terribly out of form and could do with a break from international rugby. - GvR |
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whats your point Rick astley
25/08/2008 13:13
and to correct you it was jakes B team that lost 46-0 there is a difference between the A team and B team just so you know... - mel |
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As I mentioned in the other thread as well...
25/08/2008 13:14
you can't really blame PdV for our recent losses. The players failed him. Knocking on, conceding turnovers, passing into opposition hands... there is nothing a coach can do about that. The players have to take responsibility. Matfield can't even win a lineout anymore. Nuff said. - chops |
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Schalk
25/08/2008 13:15
Although you make very good points, I must disagree about the fact that Schalk should be considered as an impact player. The fact that he does run straight lines is true, but that is not the only reason why he is in the team. Apart from Baywatch Grobler, who seriously lacks size, we do not have any fetchers in SA that can do the hard work that is required at international level in rucks and mauls. - AJ |
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Interesting article Pieter...
25/08/2008 13:17
and I was agreeing with you until you said Watson must be axed. His defence questionable? What games have you been watching? He has yet to miss a tackle. In Aussie game Mortlock had already gained momentum after being let through by Big Joe and he still managed to get him down, alebit over the try-line. Kankowski is just a better version of Pierre Spies. Great with ball in hand but rubbish in the tight. We need somebody to combat at the breakdown, not another back-line loving forward. - VLS |
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Almost true
25/08/2008 13:18
Nice article, but can't agree on Ruan Pienaar though. Frans Steyn wants it, so put him at no.10. Jean DV should be appointed as captain immediately.Percy, Butch, JP and Fourie, should be given the boot, untill they are playing better rugby.Piet Helium should publicly appologise and convince us that he is going forward.Another loss I'm afraid the knives will be out. Go Bokke!! - Camel Man |
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PDV game plan
25/08/2008 13:25
I have a question for all you so called rugby fundies out there. Put yourself in this position, playing provicial rugby under coach 1, his style and his ways, then super 14 under a new coach, his ideas, game plan etc.then springboks, new coach, new ideas, new game plan - teh question - Can this work? Why do we not get the super 14 teams to try the same game plan against all the other teams, at least by the tri nations we will have +/- 180 guys that knows the "game plan" of Pete Helium - E-Rabbit |
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Agree with most sentiments, but not with PdV as coach.
25/08/2008 13:25
Assistant coach, most definately. Player selection, seems reasonable. Like idea of full-back & captain. There is also a need to keep core team & cycle younger plyers to take over from older players. Same strategy as followed by Auz & NZ. Keep as much experience as possible. Dont change the team so dramatically every time. It does not give the team a chance to gel / settle. Need combinations (anticipate & positioning) to work. Some players are celebrities (selfish) not contributing to the team. - Matrix |
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the team
25/08/2008 13:26
This is what I would do:
1. beast 2. bismark 3. cj
4. bakkies 5. victor
6. ryan 7. burger
8. joe
9. fourie
10. ruan
11. nokwe 12.de villiers 13. pierre spies
14. habanna 15. steyn
Bench: jantjies, van heerden, adi and so on....
What about that?
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Spot on!
25/08/2008 13:31
Peter you really do make sense! Jantjies and PDV are like Guiseppe & Pinocchio, PDV is the muppet master helping Janthies dance around like Pinocchio. - cvz |
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Bring back Wickus!!!
25/08/2008 13:32
Wickus is the only one capable of getting down and dirty to win decent ball at the breakdown. Drop Butch for Ruan. Conrad for Steyn. Danie Rossouw for Bekker. Fourie for Ricky!!1. beast2. bismarck.3. Cj or Bj.4. Rossouws. 5. Matfield capt. 6. Schalk7. Wickus. 8. Spies.9. Ricky . 10 Ruan. 11. Habana. 12. Jean. 13. Adi. 14. Jantjes. 15. Steyn. Pick this team IF u wanna start winning Divvie!!!Bloutril het gepraat. - Bloutril |
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Crystal ball
25/08/2008 13:33
"... White may have continued, and if he had continued to win, all the better for Saru's pockets. But if he had lost, which is more likely,..."
Er, you know that JW would have been more likely to have lost for a fact do you?
Puhlease! This is all about politicians wanting to "social-engineer", and putting individuals into positions for which they're not qualified. - halitosis_for_all |
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Lacklustre Play
25/08/2008 13:37
Saturday's play simply showed it very clearly that the "boks" have been left to fend for themselves without any plan or structure or new idea to speak of - we are always told that PDV has such big plans and that it must still come together - WHAT? Rugby must appoint only those players who still WANT and CAN play and for pity's sake give them some structure, they look like a group of headless chickens! - MJS |
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PDV's game plan could not be executed even at club level
25/08/2008 13:39
Oh my word Pieter the Villageidiot: what a sorry sight the Boks have become under PDV.I don't believe we can beat the big unions under his guidance.His game plane is a helter skelter kind of rugby where the ball just get thrown around with no clear game plan.No structure in rugby can be compared to trying to hit every ball for six in cricket & that certainly will not win you any games.Sorry PDV it's time to go, you just don't cut it at international senior level. - Berns |
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rugby
25/08/2008 13:40
I have become really gatvol the last year or so with every man and his dog giving opinions and writing crappy coloumns with nonsensical"If I were coach.." selections. (Gary Boshoff, Tanks Lanning, and that Harmse Blue Bull guy). Thanks for a article with great insight based on fact and sense vs. emotion and preference. I love your selections but I think the Komphela Orc-Clan wont. - Uhuru |
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Why couldn't PDV have been assistant to Jake?
25/08/2008 13:49
Seriously...I can remember them offering Jake the assistant position - thats just a slap in the face!!! But why not have made PDV assistant coach for 2 years or so and then let him take over? They could've worked together to combine both styles and we would've been more effective in all aspects of the game! To focus entirely on 1 style (be it Jakes or PDV's) is just too old school!!!! Adapt or be left behind! - KS |
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How Good is our Rugby
25/08/2008 13:49
If this current team have to play Samoa, England, Tonga, USA, Fiji, Argentina they will most probably also end up winning all these teams convincingly - the question we then have to ask how good was the squad that won the world cup and if we as a rugby nation overate ourselves when we compare our rugby to that of NZ and Aus - we have not dominate against any of these two teams in the past and even in JW era we only had a 33.3% win record over NZ and just over 50% over the Aussies. Are we as good as we think we are or do we overate ourselves. - colin |
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rick Astley
25/08/2008 13:49
No not 46-0 twas 49-0. I just think PVD must stop addressing media. he's not good at that. Yes PVD selection at times is mind boggling...bt the players nid to own up as well. They're commiting too many unforced errors. - Bee |
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rick Astley
25/08/2008 13:50
No not 46-0 twas 49-0. I just think PVD must stop addressing media. he's not good at that. Yes PVD selection at times is mind boggling...bt the players nid to own up as well. They're commiting too many unforced errors. - Bee |
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All hail PdV!!
25/08/2008 13:53
HAHAHA! Nick Mallet doesn't qualify as a World Class coach???
Well he has the best win ratio after Kitch and if you look how well he did in France at Stade he is a helluva lot better than PdV and co.
(Yes he made a meal of the '99 WC by leaving Teichmann out)
PdV has taken the best team in the world and turned them into a bunch of plokers!!
I wonder how many people will be turning up at Ellis Park(Coca Cola Park) on Saturday?
Thanks Twakkie for ruining a good thing!! - Peeved |
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Bok rugby mirrors management
25/08/2008 13:54
According to Neill, White achieved success because he could handle the media and PDV is battling because he can't. Get real! Any proper plan would build on previous successes. Instead our opinionated coach throws the baby out with the bathwater and rewrites SA rugby culture and style overnight! And expects to win? - Mark Williams |
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Springboks
25/08/2008 13:55
The things we currently see is due to the fact that the wrong coach was appointed. If Heineke Meyer was the coach their would have been structure in the way the team would play. The biggest problem is that the players are not motivated. Everybody in SA rugby know the ability of Heineke Meyer as a motivater. Please get rid of the old wood. When last did Juan Smit played a good game. Bring in a fetcher. Willem de Waal or Morne Steyn is the answer at flyhalf. Select props that can do the job. - Wynand Loots |
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bokke
25/08/2008 13:58
The boys need to learn patience. How many times on the try line they fluffed it? Watch how mant phases the Oz and Kiwi's go through before scoring. We act like we need to score within 4 phases. Oh, and get rid of Watson. - The fisherman |
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bokke
25/08/2008 13:58
The boys need to learn patience. How many times on the try line they fluffed it? Watch how many phases the Oz and Kiwi's go through before scoring. We act like we need to score within 4 phases. Oh, and get rid of Watson. - The fisherman |
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Coaching...
25/08/2008 13:59
in any sport is difficult at the best of times and a coach lives & dies by his decisions. Not one of us would pick the same team as the bok brains trust on any given weekend as too many "couch coaches' are blinded by provincialism. Bottom line is that the boks played cr@p rugby and are not sticking to whatever game plan PDV has devised. Our skills have left us & the world cup hangover is still lingering! - GeePmb |
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Rugby
25/08/2008 14:02
Jake White also had a mediocre team until Eddie Jones joined him.Besides if we had to play the same teams now that we played in the world cup,we would come out tops again.Now we have competion again, we find we are not up to standard. - geoff |
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Peter good article - Please ban racist from this site
25/08/2008 14:07
I have been following the News24 Your Story site for a couple of weeks now. It is always the same few racists (from both black and white) that spit racial remarks. Please let the other 99,999% of us who enjoy rugby (and this country) continue in sensable debate about real issues. Peter agree with most of what you are saying. Regarding PDV's speaking ability, have you tried to listen to Robbie Deans. Please focus on rugby issues and the boks listen to David Campese, play the ball and not the man. - HC |
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Baywatch
25/08/2008 14:07
I can't believe that Baywatch hasn't at least been given a chance to shine at international level. Yes he does lack size but he's got a "McCaw like tenacity" about him and would be able to seriously disrupt the rucks. My main gripe is that when we head to Europe we will in all likelyhood not be playing the ELVs so all this alcimatization will mean squat. World rugby is in a bit of a state at the moment. - shoes |
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@ Rick Astley
25/08/2008 14:10
Jake White may have lost 46 - 0 to Australia at some stage BUT he also won the tri - nations at his 1st attempt in 2004!!! In contrast Div has produced our worst ever tournament since its inception! The only way to have a dream team again is to bring Kitch Christie back from the dead!! - JW |
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What
25/08/2008 14:10
A few changes are required, drop Luke watson, move Spies from 8 to 11, bring in Sharks no 8. - Martin |
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I agree
25/08/2008 14:10
Very good article and you make some valid points of the players. Especially Luke Watson, he must go! However I think you are not critical enough of PdV. Like Watson, he must go! - Brad S |
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BOKXV
25/08/2008 14:14
15.F.STEYN 14.JP.PIETERSEN 13.J.DE VILLERS 12.ADI.JACOBS 11.B.HABANA 10.P.GRANT 9.R.PIENAAR 8.R.KWANKOSI 7.J.SMITH 6.S.BURGER 5.V.MATFIELD 4.A.BEKKER 3.BJ.BOTHA 2.J.SMIT 1.BEAST. - TT |
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Selections
25/08/2008 14:15
Even if the players are to blame for the poor performances, they are still PdV's selections. No one else chose those players. Do you think that now that the AB's are on top that the will go down? Yes, give PdV another chance, they did not give Carel Du Plessis another chance especially after his 66-22 whopping of Aus. Maybe given the right period of time PdV can succeed, hope it doesn't take longer than the next trinations though. - Met Uysh! |
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Luke Watson
25/08/2008 14:15
Luke is only there because of his father's connections. He too, just like Piet Snor, is a political appointee. Jake White openly confirmed on TV that he did not rate Luke as a player. And I agree. He's OK at provincial level. Keep him there. And yes, make Schalk an impact player. The fact that more points would possibly have been scrored without him, is a shortcoming on the entire team's behalf-don't praise Schalk. His play is fast becoming boring. - VinnyTheSaffer |
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Cry babies
25/08/2008 14:15
All the crybabies have got their chance now.
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Eddie Jones
25/08/2008 14:26
...rescued not only JW career, but the SA world cup campaign. Before he came on board the Boks played very average rugby. Besides the first year of JW tenure as coach, SA rugby had nothing to write home about exept against lower ranking oposition. The Boks are making the linebreaks and have actually improved in the scrums. Even with the best of gameplans if its not executed properly its to non avail. - Bushy |
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team
25/08/2008 14:27
1. Beast 2. Smit 3. Mujati 4. Bakkies 5. Bekker 6. Burger 7. Kankowski 8. Van Niekerk 9. January 10. Steyn 11. Habana 12. De Villiers 13. Jacobs 14. Nokwe 15. Jantjes(but he must go for that reflex training habana did) otherwise at 15...Terblanche - always cool calm and collected for the sharks! - KS |
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Great whinge
25/08/2008 14:29
Oh does this ever end. such sore losers. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. South Africa did not beat France, australia or NZ in the world club. They beat Argentina and England and suddenly the world cup is theirs. Perhaps they would have beaten the Ozzies and All Blacks, and even the French, but they did not play the best teams in the world. Cricket World Cup is much better as teams play in league format hence having a chance to play all the opposition, unlike rugby. - L |
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bokke
25/08/2008 14:32
I agree mostly. However I don't think burger must go to the bench. Put steyn at fullback.Grant or Pienaar at 10. Vermaak or Kocket at 9. January can't pass morte than 5metres.
Juan at 8 with Wikus and Burger on the side. Cobus Grobbelaar on the bench. - quentin |
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Financial impact
25/08/2008 14:35
I have no doubt that if we carry on like this SARU will be bankrupt in the next couple of years. I will not go to a stadium again to humiliate myself like the past couple of weekends. PICK THE PLAYERS ON MERIT. - Pacman |
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Ex South African
25/08/2008 14:37
You haven't got a clue son. Why don't you suggest firstly to select players on merit and not because black. When I see black I see incompetence, for the simple reason the politics have made it that way. There are a few who are the exception to the rule of course. That also by the way applies to our so called new coulor coach. The guys a PRICK. Bring on All black rugby, where players are slected on merit. Viva New Zealand May south Africa and all it's indigenous people rot in hell. - DAB |
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En rout to Banana Banana and other
25/08/2008 14:37
olympic-type embarrasments is clearly the way forward for the Springchocks under PdV.....My God!-How to turn a winning team with the finest talent in the world, into a bunch of sorry-arse losers, overnight-wtf!! - Walt |
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@ L
25/08/2008 14:38
I agree...the Rugby World Cup needs to be re-formatted in order it to be a well rounded tournament! It would mean a HUGE amount of rugby for each team to play each other though! But at the end of the day...its their profession! - KS |
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@Bushy
25/08/2008 14:46
You got it wrong there friend. JW was called in after the disaster which was the 2003 world cup. In 2004 we won the tri-nations under JW for the first time since 1998. I guess that's nothing to write home about though, cause back then everyone said, well, we don't care about the 3N, can he win the world cup? And guess what? Get your facts right before posting comments. - Met Uysh! |
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Schalk may be a good fetcher, BUT
25/08/2008 14:47
never give him the ball to run with, he runs straight at the opposition and just before he makes contact slows down, lifts his leg and braces himself. Against Aus - everytime he ran with the ball he got shoved back a metre on contact, and even managed to lose possession. Don't talk to me about his passing ability :( - AndyMo |
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Assumption
25/08/2008 14:47
is that while this is happening, the All Blacks and Australians will be watching in the sidelines and will not alter their strategities to neutralise these tactics. It sounds more like schoolboy field mentality. Only if you put the guys you like and your team will win all the time. Grow up!!!
Some get the idea that the other teams are simply useless pallookas who need the promise to collapse and fold. A good Oz team was walloped by AB in NZ. - Len van Heerden |
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yeah yeah
25/08/2008 14:47
No way hose, The team does not differ that much from the side that won the world cup and when de Villers picked his side nobody really questioned it as everyone thought it is a quality side. Win the breakdown and we'll win matches. Simple as that. - Schalla |
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@L (well said)
25/08/2008 14:49
i could not have put it better. You have summed it up for all these people on this site and in this country. Rugby is a dominant force in NZ and AUS. You cant beat that calibre of rugby, they have class and the right attitude to play the game. Here on this site every toad has a new player on his or her mind and it would mean a squad of about 300. - M |
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baywatch
25/08/2008 14:53
Cobus grobbelaar is not the answer, if you want the know who the best fetcher is in sa look at brussouw of the cheethas.He is by far the best in the currie cup and will make a huge difference WHEN he is chosen for the boks.Juan smith is not on form.My loosies 6.brussouw/burger 7. van heerden 8.Burger/konkwoski - Rv |
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Visions of Grandeur
25/08/2008 14:54
People in this country are rugby crazy. Rugby is soaked in themselves and i feel that they should look on the brighter side, we do not have a squad that can take on the NZ or the AUS. The win over NZ was a fluke as the ball fell in the right place at the right time. It usually happens once in every 33 years. Let me put you all above out of your misery (SA taking on AUS or NZ is like Balfour winning the 100m sprint against Michael Phelps) Now you get the idea. - |
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