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Shocking
26/08/2008 08:29
I fully agree with you. My daughter is 4 years old and I was shocked to find sexy panties and bras in the shop for ages starting at 2!!! Ofcourse I freaked out on the store manager and told him that i would not shop there again as long as they sell inappropriate underwear. I am still shocked, they indirectly cheapen girls and make it ok for girls to be used. - Yolandie |
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The bottomline
26/08/2008 08:29
Some people should simply not procreate, unfortunately there is not much we can do about it. What in the hell ever happened to little girls doing ballet, spanish dancing or modern? Not just a form of fun but it also teaches young girls about posture, balance and rhythm. Nowadays young girls only seem to look up to vapid characters like Britney and Lindsay, and parents do not see how this could end up in trouble? - Justine |
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I Concur!!
26/08/2008 08:32
I completely agree! To have people at such a young age dancing so provocatively has much wider implications than we think. It promotes the ideas of sexual intercourse in people at an age where they are incapable of seeing the seriousness of the commitments and dangers! No wonder so many 14 yr olds are pregnant before they even reach high school!!!!!!! - dave the brave! |
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Good Article
26/08/2008 08:36
Good Article, and I fully agree with you. By letting those children do those moves, and wear those clothes, you are telling them that it is right. I think steps needs to be taken to say that it may not be allowed at our schools, and it is the parents job to make sure that it does!!! - Dawid |
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Moral decay
26/08/2008 08:43
Not much morality left in SA these days. Too much freedom under the laws and no role models left. Anyone can see the drop in values over recent years and it gets worse as society unwinds.
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Concerned
26/08/2008 08:44
Well, the unfortunate part is: Sex sells!!! The same with booze and tobacco products for example, then tax payers' money has to be spent on the consequences. It is OK to erode morals and have no boundaries but THERE'S ALWAYS A PRICE TO PAY, in this case the price is surely too high!!! - mb |
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Louis
26/08/2008 08:44
I am with you 100%. Parents these days dont do enough when it comes to their kids. Walk thourgh any mall on a weekend and you see kids dresses like whores and what makes it worse is that most of them are between 9 and 15. - Speedy |
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Abuse of our children
26/08/2008 08:44
I agree with your sentiments as expressed here. I get the distinct feeling our children are 'used' for the artificially inflated egos of the very people that we as parents trust to give our children a healthy & good education. Sadly when parents become involved the children are victimised by these so-called educators. To me abuse is abuse whether physical, verbal or emotional. Your last paragraph says it all. - SM |
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You will be labeled as a prude...
26/08/2008 08:45
But having 4 kids of my own, 3 of which are daughters I could not have agreed with you more. "Vroeg rype, vroeg vrot" - Greg |
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Louis
26/08/2008 08:46
Louis, I haven't heard the song, so I wont commen on your experience, but I agree that our kids are being "sexualised" far too early. Apparently,Disney recently released a line of panties for little girls to promote a new show that had "dive in" written across the front. Apparently, this was innocently intended, but it just goes to show how far we've sunk as a society -who would Ok such a thing? - VG |
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CULTURE OR CRUDITY
26/08/2008 08:46
Absolutely shocking news. Your letter should appear as a front page article on all major newspapers to shock the parents, and society as a whole, into returning to descent moral values. - Eddie |
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Protecting our KIDS
26/08/2008 08:46
Gr8 article,you hit the nail on the head here, parents often these days lose track of their parental duties, actually disgusting what happen at that show... - SJB |
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Any DAD
26/08/2008 08:48
I think any real DAD will feel the same, if that is your little girl out there, would you like it if she is made to look like a sex symbol??? - Dawid |
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thats nothing
26/08/2008 08:50
you should here the swearing and condoning of murder and rape in music like hip hop and rap - terence |
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Spot On
26/08/2008 08:56
I agree 100% with you - Kolobe |
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The tip of the iceberg
26/08/2008 09:08
While you do have a point, I think that the actions you described are pretty normal given what's really going on. Thanks to MTV, it is now 'cool' to dress and act like a whore, with modern lyrics glamourizing being sexual. And who is the most influencial, young girls. Hence why we're stuck in a world where 10 to 12 year olds are wearing thongs which stick out, smoking and drinking (Though people try not to see it). The media has taken away all kids innocence.This coming from a liberal - Kane |
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Good!
26/08/2008 09:17
Nice to see that everyone seems to agree. Now I am not a parent, but I would like to urge those of you who are to go and say the same things to your children's teachers. When I was at school, the scripts for the yearly revues and plays were always written by the same old bat - filled with thinly-disguised profanity and sexual references. If that's what you have to stoop to in order to be interesting, you should realise that you are NOT supposed to be a scriptwriter. - Oom_Kosie |
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Not only at Tukkies...
26/08/2008 09:18
The letter begins by referring to Tuks: believe me, this is also part of the institutional culture at that once great university, Unisa. What was once the premier library in the southern hemisphere is now a shebene, with these things happening between the stacks. Toilets are used for copulation, and are seldom unblocked. This shocking state of affairs is encouraged by the SRC, which is in turn supported by the management. A sad, sad turn for a once great institution! - Ryno |
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All though I agree...
26/08/2008 09:19
"...when we picked up our youngster, his first words were "I am so sorry that you had to be exposed to such garbage". (He did not say "garbage", but this being an open forum, I cannot repeat his exact words.)" Maybe the problem starts at home, if your "youngster" says words that can't be repeated on a open forum. - One |
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Well Said!
26/08/2008 09:19
I agree 100%! I have an 8 year old daughter who would LOVE to wear 'girly' outfits (long pink dresses and skirts) but just try and find those in the shop if your child is older than 5! no its all tight hipsters and short tight t-shirts with inapropriate slogans, we have to buy her tops 2 sizes bigger as she refuses to wear anything that is tight or makes her tummy stick out. Come on SA where are the designers, the parents and the teachers lets allow our kids to be kids!! and keep them safe!! - A Mom |
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Agreed
26/08/2008 09:20
Look at miss Britney spears , She is all messed up beacuse she was a sex symbyl at age 15 . - charlie |
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Shops
26/08/2008 09:23
I also find it disturbing the number of young children left at shopping centres until late at night. And I mean 10pm and later. I agree with the above comments. There is no innocence anymore. Children are growing up too fast. - Mark T |
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Hey Terence...
26/08/2008 09:23
What about the swearing and condoning of murder and rape in white music like slipknot. Oh sorry I forgot, you're a rascist. - Bob |
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@louis
26/08/2008 09:25
"When did lack of decency become art" the best line i've ever heared - morena |
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There is NO excuse or provocation for child abuse!!!
26/08/2008 09:27
But I do have to agree with you that I find young girls performing as/with sexually suggestive shows/music in VERY VERY bad taste. - HVR |
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Agree Completely...
26/08/2008 09:30
I went to a 30th the other day and they had a section for children to watch tv and play video games. When everyone started dancing, I couldn't believe my eyes when someone's 2 little daughters came and danced with the group...they were doing Madonna & Britney moves and dancing provocatively...they are 6 and 8 years old!!!!!! They said they had learnt the moves from MTV!!! I was shocked!!!! Must we now put restrictions on MTV??? - KS |
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Our Children
26/08/2008 09:33
I agree with your last paragraph. Parents need to get more involved in their children's lives, in their moral upbringing and in generally preparing them for life out there. Parents should however not be overprotective but should allow children to experience some of life's knocks in a controlled environment to make sure they can handle all the ups and downs life can throw at you. - Me |
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It's all good,,
26/08/2008 09:36
as long as you go to church on Sunday and give some cash you can fiddle anyone, but don't you dare listen to Slipknot. And to the person that commented on your sons language, you are full of "garbage" . PS. Afrikaans Christian Rap sounds awesome. - ALL MAN |
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Really Nice To See..........
26/08/2008 09:41
...EVERYBODY agreeing on this one. My daughter is almost 3 and she LOVES wearing her "Flower Girl" dress from our wedding, Day or Night, Rain or Shine. I agree with you "A MOM", the SH!T they sell in stores nowadays is shocking. I will try and protect my little girl from this 'fashion' and try to keep her childhood as long as I can, CAUSE SHE's DADDY'S LITTLE GIRL. - Badger |
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Cry the beloved and lost innocence
26/08/2008 09:43
If you did`nt see the front page of the Sowetan yesterday,then good people you still have good cause to enjoy your good night`s sleep. A mother who lets her 11 year old daughter sell her body to grown up men for as little as 5 Rand to support her younger siblings while the mother is gone drinking their monthly grant.I consider myself tough, I can handle most shocks that life periodically throws one`s way, but this one story broke me.I mean even our minister of social development was forced to act - nathinyce |
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Now I know why I don't ever want kids...
26/08/2008 09:46
I used to dance as a young girl, and it always used to be in good taste - even though we did professional shows! I can't believe how things have changed in a few years since I was that age. I am so glad that I decided not to have kids, I think it would be very tough to raise kids in this age - but good parents will always win. We always say how bad things get withevery generation. Makes me wonder what's next! - L |
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RE : Music
26/08/2008 09:46
Look, hip hop music videos are thrown in childrens faces. Slipknot and other music is not displayed on mtv 24/7. No matter what side you're on, hip hop and pop are far more damaging to young children. (But if I see slipknot mentioned again I'M going to go on a rampage)..Media for some reason finds swearing less appropriate than girls in thongs talking about sleeping around. If the scenes on mtv were in a movie, it'd be age restricted - kane |
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Dancing Girls
26/08/2008 09:48
It is because your mind is in you pants. If it were not for how you were socialised you would not see the twisting and turning of a female body as sexually explicit. This is where covering up and suppressing of woman's bodies/minds begin.
Why should women hide and suppress normal fun body movements - just because men cannot think above the belt.
How any adult can think about a child in this way is beyond me. Every adult should be act as a custodian of all "children". - Tersia |
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@ Heino Bester
26/08/2008 09:50
What the hell oke??? We are talking about our children here and how they are being influenced by trends and how our "social norms" need some drastic changes! How on earth do you equate that to the ANC and Essop Pahad! Dam Bible Basher!!! This is not only limited to SA - just take a look at the USA where children are having sex are younger and younger!!! Go spew your nonsense elsewhere!!! - KS |
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Amazing
26/08/2008 09:52
Seems everyone on this forum agrees, so I ask you, who are those people at the event who cheered and clapped - surely some of them were the parents of the children performing? - bpw |
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Very bad behaviour
26/08/2008 09:53
It also seems some parents just have no clue, not only what their children get up to, but what they can get up to in so-called 'safe' places. I know of a family who went for insurance medical tests and the 10-year-old daughter tested positive for HIV. Eventually it came out that all the kids were regularly gathering somewhere at a mall and having sex with each other. And this was what most people would consider a very 'normal' family... - D |
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kids must be kids.......
26/08/2008 09:55
Fashion & media has taken that away, It is up to parents to make sure that the innocence of our children is not taken away. Kids are too beautiful and precious to be used as sexual idols. - KLZ |
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Kids at shopping malls!
26/08/2008 09:56
What is also disturbing is the amount of parents who drop their kids off at shopping malls to hang out untill late at night.
My friend's teenage son told me the other day how 12 to 15 year old girls would offer sex (in the mall's restrooms) for pocket money and/or drugs. Often these girls would even opt for anal sex in order to avoid getting pregnant!
What ever happened to parental responsibility? - Ernst |
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@Heino Bester
26/08/2008 09:59
This is Western culture at it's worst, all these questionable role-models are American, don't blame the ANC government (no I don't vote ANC!). Just try to be objective, please. In stead of pushing the blame, rather suggest a solution. Parenting begins at home, this is a free country you can make your choice. - ADB |
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More expert opinion, please...
26/08/2008 10:02
there's a lot of gush and emotionalism in this discussion, esp. towards the end. In view of raising the level of debate, please would one of the well-informed theologians, such as Unisa's dr J. Strijdom, pronounce authoritatively on these matters? Besides the parents, we must here also the academics, who normally have solutions to everything, even unsolicited. - Phil |
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Hey Kane
26/08/2008 10:02
Slipknot! Jokes aside I agree with Kane that music videos these dyas have gone to a whole new level of adding to the moral decay in our soceity. Go and watch the music video for "Maria Carey Touch my body" which gets shown while our kids are home and we are at work. listen to the music that is played on day time radio. Nothing we have actually promotes a moral living in our society. Look at Miley Cyrus.....nuff said there. - Speedy |
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On the Mark
26/08/2008 10:04
Could not have put it better. Enought said - Citizen Cane |
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Be a parent
26/08/2008 10:07
Fantastic article, remember whatever you encourage at a young age should also be acceptable when your child is 18. As a parent it is your responsiblity to ensure children know wrong from right. - Erica |
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IT'S CRAZY
26/08/2008 10:09
I totally agree. The mother and grandmother thought it so cute when their 3 yr old was dancing to 'shake that ass'. I didn't, and i was thought of as a prude. A few weeks later this same 3 yr old was POLE DANCING - yes! in public and the mother was forced to leave with her. Unfortunately their are no bad kids just bad parents and it's time parents took responsibility instead of blaming music and satan. - Jackie |
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Vee eers voor jou eie deur
26/08/2008 10:09
Louis, didn't see you acting all prude when you picked up your own "youngster" and he was swearing about the show???? "(He did not say "garbage", but this being an open forum, I cannot repeat his exact words.)" - NotPrude |
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Although I agree with you to some extent
26/08/2008 10:15
I just find it a little disturbing that this is levelled at only little girls, and that their fathers now want to keep them in long flowery pink dresses forever!! Not all girls like that, and they shouldnt have to. In many ways wearing a dress is disempowering, making it harder to run away or kick someone when they want to attack you. Think about that when you trap your little girl into those restricting outfits. Would it have been OK if boys were performing in scanty outfits? - Bridget |
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To Tersia : are you JOKING?
26/08/2008 10:18
I pray you are just trying to be controversial, go & read Female Chauvinist Pigs, and you would realise that girls arent being sexual for their own fullfilment but to be popular, and that being erotic and promoting yourself as a sex symbol is not liberating. Which modern pop stars are genuine role models? They all sell the idea that the only way to make your mark in this world is by being provocative. Should we perpetuate the idea that woman are only worth what they can flaunt? - Justine |
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BRAVO!!!
26/08/2008 10:21
I couldn't agree with you more! Yes, dancing is fun but it has to be age appropriate! Our girls are being exposed to things they shouldn't even have to know about yet! They are kids, let them enjoy their childhood while the can! Honestly, if it was my daughter on that stage I would have been embarrased! Like Louis said, "Let us as parents get involved with our children's activities. Let us investigate but also support; let us motivate but also educate. Above all, let us protect our children" - Malise |
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school pornography
26/08/2008 10:22
The motivation behind parading an eight y old girl in this way can only be an aging mother who is attempting to resussitate her waning female sexuality through her unfortunate daughter, a father who care less and a teacher, male or female, with paedophile tendencies. An audience who is excited by a gyrating 8 y old in skimpy dress, is probably swept up in some sort of group paedophilic orgy. These poor girls are also exposed to abortion on demand- this eight y old is missing out on childhood. - critical thinker |
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Heino Bester responds...
26/08/2008 10:25
My critics fail to take into account the larger picture: personal practices mirror the larger political ecology, this baleful synergy between prevailing political paradigms and the descent into post-modern (im)morality and interlinked phenomena. The crisis in parenting (miscreant kids) is predicated on the larger socio-political co-ordinates. Myopic to argue otherwise! And the present anarchy is ANC sponsored! - Heino Bester |
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@ Tersia
26/08/2008 10:26
That is the thinking that gets a lot of parents into trouble. Those moves were created for the female body as they were meant to be sexually explicit and be a turn on for men. Hence the reason they are used in music vidoes and ads. What need should a CHILD have to use sexually explicit moves when dancing? Please think out of the box on this one. - Speedy |
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@ Tersia
26/08/2008 10:26
So you will allow your daughters to dance like strippers then??? I hope you will enjoy being a grandmother when your daughter is 14! And "Every adult should be act as a custodian of all children" - I wish that was true, but you are living in dreamland. Paedophiles, molesters and rapists are a reality! Nobody is "supressing woman's body/minds" - children should dance like children, and enjoy their childhood! Not do "fun" body movements like strippers! - KS |
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Agree 100%
26/08/2008 10:32
As a 29 year old with no kids yet, I worry about how I'm going to protect my future kids from the rotting & immoral society that we find ourselves in today. The music that's played on our radio stations, the movies that are aired on our TV's, the easy access to pornography on the internet and cell phones, the magazines that are displayed in the supermarkets. Like others have mentioned previously, just take a look around your local mall at what so many young kids are wearing. Something needs to be done and it needs to be done now. - Dave |
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Leadership
26/08/2008 10:34
People can barely control their dogs and keep them from barking mindlessly, yet so many of the same are licensed to raise children. Kids are cute up till 2 but after that it takes work, yet I am convinced that it is not an impossible task to raise well balanced children. In fact, if you really love them you will find a way. A survey revealed that children actually admire parents who set boundaries, even if they voice displeasure.
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@ADB and KS
26/08/2008 10:37
I pray for you--for your short-sightedness and your failure to see how what you do in your PRIVATE lives is not predicated on the PUBLIC and POLITICAL culture. As long as you support a corrupt and morally bankrupt kleptocracy, your children WILL continue to go downhill, in the malls or wherever! I'm not a politician, but a politically conscious churchman. Thanks! - Heino Bester |
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Example
26/08/2008 10:39
Ten years ago we were invited to a drama evening at Crawford where the kids thought it so clever to outdo each other in the use of profanities - when I challenged the drama teacher she defended "free expression". I have seen parents laughing away, with cigarette in one hand and booze in the other, whilst their clever little things imitate crude words and gestures. But as a school governor I can tell you how quickly those parents protested for the slightest censure of their little "darlings". - Paula |
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And so it goes
26/08/2008 10:40
In the good old days there was restrictions on the type of music, movies etc. that was explicit. It just was not allowed into the country. With democracy and all the freedom it brought it opened the doors for demise. Now we are just bearing the fruit of the standards that are laid. Crime report is evident of this. In Moslem countries this type of media is prohibited with fruitful success. It won't happen here again. Parents have to intervene, but they are not capable of it. - Get Real |
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What
26/08/2008 10:43
Your comments are exactly what your parents said when you were a kid with your clothes, your music and your dancing. While I don?t condone, my kids running around in the very skimpy outfits also know that a Paedophile would be attracted to them regardless of what they are wearing. So what should we be listing to? Elvis was singing about sex and what about the song ?Liewe Lulu? let not even start with that one. The women that did Ballet in older times were basically considered Prostitutes at one time. I fail to see what you point is except to get the most comments - Heksie |
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Fact is...
26/08/2008 10:48
...all this alcohol, sexual, drug, no moral values, hate, rape and murder sh*it we see these days on TV, read about in magazines and hear on the radio is a result of our new government and their human rights and freedom of speech based laws. Fact is all the garbage and bad exposures you complain about now would have been banned in the old SA under the last Christian government this continent saw. The ANC/SACP government is just another spike in the satanic wheel of world governance? - Bruce |
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child abuse
26/08/2008 10:49
How do you as a parent protect our kids when you have ads on re two adults having sex to a sex video, when potential buyers arrive to view the house and walk in on the said scene, and this when kids are on their way to school.. you have adults with mouths that only spew filth and see filth as cute, and oh sorry you are a mother grundy because all you want is for your kids to have the chance to have a decent childhood. If you don't like the filth they do then you are so suuare. go figure - B |
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@Greg
26/08/2008 10:50
I am glad everyone agrees on this issue. The smut on tv, and everywhere else is robbing children of their innocence. I have been to a few family get togethers, and I couldnt believe my eyes when I saw CHILDREN dancing erotically! Some people just shouldnt be allowed to procreate. "Vroeg rype, vroeg vrot" ->Brilliant! - Truth |
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Culture
26/08/2008 10:52
As long as it sells and some human being is profiting from it, from drugs to liquor, to under age sex no one is interested. Liquor is the number one KILLER in any society and yet nothing is done to curb this poison. We only hear of how cigarettes kill WHY??? Get rid of liquor, then it means no more sponsors blah blah blah. We are all guilty of contributing our own downfall to our culture in society. dont look further than your own space before blaming the whole world for their contributions. - S |
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False consensus
26/08/2008 10:52
I it find amusing is everyone agrees, but if we go look at other discussions, like comments about the sword issue, cell phones at achool, etc THEN we all fall apart. All of you blame music and the parents for this moral decay. Yet support the same moral decay elswhere. Each generation has a false memory of their childhood, each generation grooms it youngsters for thier assigned roles. This outrage is bogus, you are all guilty of the same sin, repression is as bad as laxity - Norm |
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Parenting
26/08/2008 10:53
Heino, I think you have lost the plot! This all boils down to parenting. We have to stop blaming the media, the ANC, MTV. We need to take responsibility for our own kids. No one else is to blame. If we cant teach our kids good values and instill a good balance of discipline, where does that leave the future? Come on parents, start making a difference with your own kids first. Leigh - Leigh |
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@Paula
26/08/2008 10:56
Good point, Paula-- in fact, my point exactly! As these godless parents are to their children, so the govt. with its Pahads etc. is to the country at large. Let's call it the Crawford syndrome. As long as those in authority condone or sponsor immorality, our children have no chance! And Pahad/Zuma/Mbeki want to be the father figures! No hope, sister: join my church! - Heino Bester |
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Shocking
26/08/2008 10:59
I agree that this should have made headlines, its shocking eventhough we know that girl kids, teenagers and young women are being used to promote women abuse, its even scary to read Tersia's unrealistic comments that blames the male species. Can we do something about this, is there someone out there who can organise us, parents to form an organisation to protect our kids from these profit drunk women abusers. - Azania |
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Parents are to blame?
26/08/2008 11:02
You must reap what you have sown.Parents have to set the right example in all things. - Herman Gibson |
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Can the influence of the 60's Peace and free love
26/08/2008 11:03
in the USA/UK actually be turned back? The feminists would say that these little girls are innocent and that the men should control themselves. It's like saying these kids ask for it or a rape victim asks for it, but truth is girls are no longer taught to be ladies because its not cool. Peer pressure and poor parenting in early years add to problem. Divorce adds to the problem. Social Grants add to the problem of pregnancy in schools. Sad, Sad world - GailC |
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@Bob
26/08/2008 11:03
Please tell me how did you bring the race card into this debate? - WTF |
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@ Get Real
26/08/2008 11:03
In the old days we were restricted in terms of what we learnt. We were taught that all others who were not the same as us (read white males) were either inferior or from satan. Censorship is a false comfort. In the Moslem countries where media is restricted, so are personal freedoms of all its citizens, Women are forced to dress in a certain way, men are frowned on for shaving. Trying to force me to follow your theistic, narrow minded, retrograde, fear driven censorship sounds like a crusadet - Norm |
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Not There
26/08/2008 11:08
All the comments are of such nature that I am convinced that all of you were at this concert, typical how the press can manipulate the readers, guys I?m not condoning it however take it with a pinch of salt, unless you were there and experienced it yourself, don?t judge. - Martin |
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Whoever...
26/08/2008 11:15
agrees with this letter shows us that we have concerned parents as to all the crap that is exposed to our kids. Kids should be kids and they should be protected at all costs. As to those who think it's okay to have your kids do this: bunch of wankers as you bloody unfit to be parents and shouldn't be allowed to breed! - Win |
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Culture or crudity
26/08/2008 11:23
I have 13 year old daughter who takes dance classes and do competitions. More than once I have seen that there is a very thin line between this so called culture and crudity. Parents are ultimately responsible for their children and should never place blame anywhere else. External pressures will always be part of life, but parents are the filter through which children should experience the world. There is no such thing as bad kids, but bad parents are everywhere to be found. - Boerseun |
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Dancing children
26/08/2008 11:23
It is because your mind is in you pants. If it were not for how you were socialised you would not see the twisting and turning of a child's body as sexually arousing. This is where covering up and suppressing of woman's bodies/minds begin.
Why should children hide and suppress normal fun body movements - just because men cannot think above the belt.
How any adult can think about a child in this way is beyond me. Every adult should be act as a custodian of all "children". - Tersia |
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Tersia
26/08/2008 11:30
I agree 100% with you. It is the same with some men trying to justify them raping someone, because she wore a short skirt etc. Utter cr@p!! - Dexter |
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Yes Heino
26/08/2008 11:41
Tell me you never get annoyed when some persons incessantly blame apartheid for all their ills. Yet you blame the ANC for what happens in a non-political revue. Hmm, such logic. Please emigrate. - Jaco Wium |
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Talk about heartless.
26/08/2008 11:43
i totally agree with Nathinyce.pls if you didnt read or see headlines on yesterday's Sowetan,go to the nearest library and ask for copy.I cried after reading that.Parents please take full responsibility and build our kids to be better parents to their kids.Lets not allow them to be exposed to "garbage" that we see in society we live in. - Felicity |
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Agree 100%
26/08/2008 11:45
I could not agree with you more. Where are all the people commenting so regularly and with so much passion on political/race issues now? This issue raised here is one of the REAL issues that we need to discuss - it also cuts across all boundaries. - JR |
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@Heino Bester, chief grow a brain,pls!
26/08/2008 12:09
We can all politicise any issue or topic as we like, but to do so on this one is the pits. Do not let your hatred for anything black cloud your judgement. You are a lesser person for doing that. We are talking about our kids` future here, chief, for crying out loud! Do youself a favour, grab a copy of today`s Sowetan and find out what I`m talking about. - nathinyce |
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This is an empire in decline
26/08/2008 12:09
Over history empires and civilisations have risen and fallen: The Greeks, The Romans, The Golden Horde... We (not just SA, most of the world) are now in the end days of an Empire or civilisation centred on the so-called "West". All the tale-tale signs are there: Violence on many fronts, political intrigue and instability, breakdown of established orders and structures, increase in decadence and decline in principled behaviour, superstition held in greater regard than reason.... have a nice day :) - Big Bad Bob |
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