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In fighting
26/08/2008 13:37
You said it... In fighting. That is what it is all about in any SA State organization these days. The power struggle for the lime light, power and money. That is leading is no where and taking all the talent with it. - Get Real |
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Team SA 'amateurish'
26/08/2008 13:38
The problem rests with the administrators & management. Fire Sam Ramsamy, the Minister of sport, the whole lot and get professionals in that can develop a long, medium & short term plan for our sport/ olympic teams. Go learn from the Chinese, Auzzies & the Brits...... - Ray |
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Team South Africa Gravy Train
26/08/2008 13:39
How is it possible to send 86 athletes and 254 officials? Surely the ratio's should be the other way around! That is besides the PRO exercise that cost another 9 million. - Filemon |
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Disgrace
26/08/2008 13:39
Heads should roll for the poor performance. But what else do you expect from our pathetic government. They have no interest in developing successful sportsmen and women. As long as their bank accounts are topped up, that's all that matters. - Just |
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Same story
26/08/2008 13:40
The same story surfaces after every olympics. We return from an olympics unsuccessful, SASOC releases a statement saying we need to learn from the mistakes and build for the next olympics. Once public outcry has toned down, plans get shelved and nothing gets done. We will never be among the top olympic achievers - sad because we have the talent. The only gold the administration looks to achieve is in their bank balances. - Peter Black |
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AND NOW..........
26/08/2008 13:42
...there is some IDIOT shouting for "More Funding" What ? is his Merc getting a little old, or maybe that new house is looking great ? POLITICS,,,,,,NUFF SAID !!! - Badger |
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A sad tale
26/08/2008 13:42
Once again a typical south african story; greed, self interest, political interference,political appointments, in-fighting, mis-management, no leadership or vision and unprofessionalism. This is beginning to become the norm in this country. - Pangea |
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Jenny King resign, it is the right thing to do!
26/08/2008 13:47
I was embarrassed to watch out hockey teams at the games. Jenny King is monumentally bad at her job and definitely deserves the boot. From the stories that filtered down from IPT about favoritism, provincialism, disrespect and arrogance. It is no wonder we flopped. All our 'amateur' sports really do need an injection of cash and accountability. It is sad to see such a high level at schools only to be followed by dismal showings at the highest level. - Tim |
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Same as Politicians
26/08/2008 13:48
Our administrators seem to act in the same fashion as our politicians, i.e. what's in it for me! - Metallica Man |
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Disgrace
26/08/2008 13:48
The administrators are an absolute disgrace, just like the Eskom crises. ANC must stop appointing officials based on political affiliations and racial bias and start appointing on merit. Unless they do so , South Africa will remain a second-runner as predicted by the Afro Pessimissts - Lovemore Mabandla |
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Amateurs
26/08/2008 13:49
The real amateurs are the administrators and the government. It would appear the whole Olympic exercise was a party for admin. Winning anything was never on the agenda. Sport like alot of things in the country have gone to the dogs because of ignorant government. - SimonP |
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"Insufficient Funding"
26/08/2008 13:51
Sasoc is now screaming lack of funding - but how many cronies and comrades were piggy-backed along to view the Olympics as part of the entourage with the money earmarked for development of athletes? I for one would like to know what the price-tag on that was! - JC |
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Wow...
26/08/2008 13:52
Filemon, is it true that they sent 86 athletes and 254 "officials"? Wow...just wow! I guess this was a free trip to china for most of these leeches! And badger, I dont understand it too...Most countries spend less money than us and produce results. Look at the other African countries, very little money spent, yet they produce excellent results! - Truth |
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SA Sport
26/08/2008 13:52
SA has a terrible disease: Superiority complex!!! This is in every sport, soccer, cricket, rugby, athletics, boxing, etc. We just sit back cos we know we are the best in Africa/World and when there are no results we moan and groan!!! We are just not good enough, let's accept it and move on, once we accept than we can put measures in place to bridge the gap!!! - mb |
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Well again
26/08/2008 13:53
And again we had a huge delegation of "admin" people attending important meetings and press briefings during a mayor sport event. Same happened in 2006 in Germany when the Berlin cab drivers knew exactly where to take their SA cargo. Over expensive hotels and "professional" establishments. Got onto 3 caps during 2006 and showed SA patriotism, when I was told twice that most of the SA delegations would like to see the girls dancing at XYZ. It was disgusting. Heaven help now and in 2010. - Al the Pal |
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Fire all the admin dead weight
26/08/2008 13:57
Fire Ramsamy, the sport administrators and the minister of sport and SASCOC who obviously know nothing about sport - the Olympics is about winning, not about just taking part. SA have become a society of losers, this is just another indication of the way we have become. Nowhere else in the world would a result such as our performance at the Olympics be tolerated? The top brass who ride the gravy train MUST be held accountable! Get them out! - Etienne |
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Its about transformation
26/08/2008 14:00
thats the focus in SA sports and they warned us to getting use to loooosing....so here we go. - JB |
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NOT ENOUGH FUNDING
26/08/2008 14:04
Well think about it which sporting codes are actually funded in SA, only football, cricket and rugby get the money in my opion. Hockey and the rest of the codes get a very small % so blame the administrators in all of this. - SJB |
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Couldn't agree more!
26/08/2008 14:05
Excellence on the field starts with excellence in running the particular sporting code. Everything has to be ''just right'' from the kit worn by the athletes right through to the guy who ensures all baggage is delivered on time to the right place. Most of our ahtletes have real talent, even if they did not win medals in Beijing. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of all the hangers on - they just have their snouts in the trough as is so common in SA. - Alew |
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Excellent comments
26/08/2008 14:08
This letter has elicited excellent comments: to superiority complex (bravo), firing of smalmy racist Sam Ramsamy, add also 'entitlement'. On the sports track, the BEST man wins: no brownie points for being from the so-called previously disadvantaged! And with Ramsamy's racism, no wonder SA finished where it deserved--at the bottom of the pile. What a disgrace--and what an indictment of the SA administrators and their racist agenda! Now jsut watch Bafana fail to qualify for 2010!!! - Heino Bester |
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R11 Million
26/08/2008 14:09
Government spent R11 Million on a stand that apparently not many people even got to see. This money could have been better spent. It seems the funds filter down from the top and what is left goes to the athletes. The administrators have a great time at the expense of the althletes success. - Mark T |
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Amateurs
26/08/2008 14:12
It is all well to blame everyone else accept those who are realy to blame, the athletes. Where is their pride and their determination to be the best. There are athletes with less favourable conditions and money and they produced the goods.The athletes should stand up and stop giving the same poor excuse everytime
"we learned a lot" - what did they learn, nothing at all if you look at their performances. Dont blame the "tools" blame the "handyman" that uses the "tools". - E-Rabbit |
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Administrative styles compared
26/08/2008 14:12
SA sport reached its zenith under Jake White: choose the team on merit. Ramsamy and his racist cabal, pushing the AA agenda, produced a disaster of global ridicule. How seriously can the world take 2010 if the administrators manage to make such a monumental balls-up? Answer: Bring back Jake White and all he stands for. - Ryno |
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Another 4 years, another disaster!
26/08/2008 14:15
I am getting so sick and tired of having to wait for an excellent opening ceremony, getting into the Olympic spirit, and then....... watching another disasterous performance (or non-performance) from the South African Team. In fact there was not much to watch anyway, after an individual or team, either dropped out after the prelims, MAYBE making the final, but came dead last anyway or even worse - NO PARTICIPATION. I almost preferred to be a Zimbabwean for the past 3 weeks!! - Gerhard |
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Minimum Stds
26/08/2008 14:16
Before an administrator/coach/trainer/bag carrier/oxygen thief is appointed to any team they must undergo and pass a stringent fitness test - then we will see how many of these blood suckers will want to go. - Tonsil |
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SA and Sam an international laughing stock
26/08/2008 14:17
Come on Sam, play it again! Once again your mean racist spirit was all that counted! You are a national disgrace! We need competent incorruptible sports administrators. I wonder whom Ramsamy will finger--because of course he and his crew are immunce, bu virtue of our racist policies. The world is laughing. Perhaps its time for Essop Pagat to say something? - Selwyn |
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19 out of 22 national records broken, but only 1 medal!
26/08/2008 14:20
It is very easy to blame administrators. The fact is that our athletes tried their best (19 out of 22 national records broken), but their best was not good enough as the competition had gone a notch higher. Instead of harping on symptoms as done by author of this article, we need to find the root cause and address it. - Mpho R |
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Heino and others
26/08/2008 14:24
Unfortunately Bafana automatically qualify for 2010 as we are the host nation. Nothing like being embarrassed on the world stage. Filemon if your stats are correct regarding the number of delegates vs athletes it is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I agree with most of the comments the administrators are to busy stuffing their pockets with money, gifts, food etc, there is no time to focus on the sport. - LM 01 |
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Heino and others
26/08/2008 14:25
Unfortunately Bafana automatically qualify for 2010 as we are the host nation. Nothing like being embarrassed on the world stage. Filemon if your stats are correct regarding the number of delegates vs athletes it is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I agree with most of the comments the administrators are to busy stuffing their pockets with money, gifts, food etc, there is no time to focus on the sport. - LM 01 |
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New leader
26/08/2008 14:27
Jake White should be in charge of SASCOC - balsak |
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Sart at Grass roots level
26/08/2008 14:29
Start development as grass roots level. The schools are in disarray and no one seems to care. The government expects representation of blacks in all sporting codes but things are not being taken off at grass roots level. We also need to ensure that the right people are in the right sporting codes. Give blacks the athletics because they excel in that, whites must swim, vault, gymnastics. If you send whites to run you gonna loose! so why is everyone surprised? - Hero Nakamura |
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Let's be fair
26/08/2008 14:29
Most people are forgetting something. When we loose we blame it on the government, but when we win we praise our athletes. We must learn to blame it on relevant people, our athletes are the ones who qualified for Olympics and not our government, and yet our swimmers failed to produce a Bronze medal, not even one of them. Something is wrong and only our athletes can answer. Money is not a problem, coz Zimbabwe got more medals than - reality |
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Lovemore Mabandla
26/08/2008 14:35
You are a real coconut get your facts right, firstly the ANC never appointed SASCOC board or the coaches, instead the ANC parlimentary sports commitee questioned transformation within SASCOC so leave ANC out of this, lastly the competition might have been higher than what we expected and certain brand of swimwear wouldn't have won us medals! - Paul Montele |
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SA could learn from Zimbabwe
26/08/2008 14:37
1 gold, 3 silvers, just missed out in the long jump and 200m. Considering the size of the population and resources to SA's. You could learn a thing or two from the best country from Southern Africa at the olympics. Why go as far as Oz, China or Britain. - Dzvinyangoma |
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Administrators and Family???
26/08/2008 14:38
I have nothing to back this up...but I am sure an inquiry might reveal the truth. But a good family friend told me that the number of administrators outnumbered the athletes...and that administrators used funding made available for the athletes to pay for their family members to join them at the games! My friend has already been in contact with Carte Blanche and hopefully they will pursue the investigation! I really hope the dirty laundry gets aired!!!!!! - KS |
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Mistake
26/08/2008 14:40
agree partly with your comments, but there seems to be a belief that more money means more medals. This of course is non-sense. There is the need for talent, training, dedication. Zimbabwe won 4 medals (albeit from 1 person). She is also based in the USA and subjected to even worse problems including worries about her country and its leadership. but guess what, in SA we tend to find blame with politicians, administrators and not the good for nothing pompous athletes. We build them up, but...... - Len van Heerden |
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Ramsammy
26/08/2008 14:42
Can you imagine what would happen if an American or Australian politician tried to influence the selection of athletes. Reverse racism is not the answer and politicians have no business getting involved in sport - Tom |
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Coaches & Administartors
26/08/2008 14:42
Sam Ramsamy and his cronies including Essop Pahad should be given a vote of no confidence from all involved in sport. They are the cause of all their focus is one the SWC and on nothing else.
That's why Pahad could make comments like "white do not support the SWC" from caffeterias around Beijing and have no interrest in the athletes themselves...shame on them squandering funds they way they are! - deon |
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Mistake 2
26/08/2008 14:42
...we need to lay the blame on the foot of our athletes who are fed with the crap about breaking African records in swimming when the competition is so limited. Take soccer, rugby. Let us admit it that we do not have the players and perhaps we can then unearth the talent. No coach can do the work on the field. Our players are so used to the media making excuses for them. - L van Heerden |
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Sport flops
26/08/2008 14:44
There's two problem here: 1. Politics ahve become so entrenched in sports, that the poor sportsman jsut cannot train and compete normally. The politicians and administrators are in it for the money and they will not get out as long as there is money to be made. 2. The qualifying standards are simply to low and this needs immediate addressing.Breaking RSA and African records means nothing if the rest of the world is so far ahead. - Boerseun |
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administration
26/08/2008 14:44
I?ve noticed that our nation is generally slight in build. I would like to see what the average height of the South Africans, compared to say West African. We don't have the endurance of the east Africans. We not as agile as the Asians/east Europeans. Swimming only those in based in USA are any competitive. Field events are specialized and need to be coached properly so only the good schools get that. Our team sports I believe we should do better but apparently they are selected by Politian?s. Don?t take individual examples this generalization. Rowing is only done by the top schools. I honestly believe the Olympic events in general we will never be strong at. Look at India 1 billion people and only 1 gold medal ever, and that was in shooting. But look at the average build of the Indian they are generally not build physically for most Olympic events. - basic |
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Racist
26/08/2008 14:45
Could some of you who are always blaming AA explain this to me, how many blacks went to the Olympics as compared to whites in all different sporting codes? and yet you still blame AA, i've mentioned this b4 if you can't stand transformation leave, Aus citizenship is free you won't go through the hassels of SA home affairs. - Paul Montele |
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What do you expect
26/08/2008 14:47
Well, we won one medal. Therefore we SUCK. 2ndly, look at those ridiculous track suits. Wonder which ANC BROTHER got that tender cause it looks like something from the bush! Maybe if the Athletes had better funding we would not have looked like fools at the Olympics. God forbid we host 2010! - Neil |
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They did not underperform, just not good enough.
26/08/2008 14:53
The squabbles are a disgrace as noted by all, however our team did their best, although not good enough. Olympics are an even, however preparation is a 4 year process with lots of financial investment and good administration. With the financial investment, we are not going to win many medals, at least in this case, there's no transformation or lack of to blame. I say good luck to Natalie and shame to those who treated her like dirt, she's our pride and joy. - Libembe |
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Zimbabwe
26/08/2008 14:54
Lets not forget that all of Zim's medals were won by a girl that has lived and trained in the US for the last 8 years. (much like our swimmers until the local authorities got a hold of them a few years ago) They only thing we can learn from Zim is - leave our world class swimmers alone. - LM 01 |
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E-rabbit, you abviously watched a different olympics!!
26/08/2008 14:56
Did you not read about the abuse Natalie Du Toit had to endure so that she could be properly prepared for her event? She she also be responsible for her own accomodation? Then I ask you why did so many delegates have to go? What was their purpose there? Seriously E-Rabbit, if you think it is so easy to compete with the limited resources our atheletes have, then why didn't you go? Our athletes are good, but everyone else in world got better, & I feel they did their best (those who really DID) - stan |
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The coach cannot swim in the race.
26/08/2008 14:59
If the athlete doesn't pull finger or is past his/her best then the best coach in the world will not produce a medal. - Big Bad Bob |
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leave them alone
26/08/2008 15:01
Money drives everything it seems in South Africa, in fact probably most of Africa. Africa does not do performance or merit rewards so of course all sport, like most else, will decline to African standards now that the Africans are running everything to do with sport. Why should it not? It is after all their continent. - zonked |
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What a bunch of crapppppppp
26/08/2008 15:03
Look making excuses will not help anyone, our team to Beijing has really cut me into half, however worst of all i don't expect them to come back with excuses of poor treatment and all that. They all failed us and that should be in their shoulders. - thokozani |
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Get with the program
26/08/2008 15:04
I do not see why we should even bother to spend the money for what will be the most expensive Olympics ever in London. Until the tail (Administrators) stops wagging the dog (Athletes), why throw good money after bad. Until we develop a NATIONAL pride, lets save the money and give it to the needy and underprivilidged kids. - Billy of Arabia |
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Tonsil, Boerseun
26/08/2008 15:05
You're right, indeed! The US athletes have to match or be better than the so-called gold standard before they go to the Olympics.I think we had athletes representing our country who were not supposed to be there, no offense.We should honestly only send the cream of the crop, even if it means only 2 or 5 athletes.Hats off to Natalie, but I think in retrospect she did not belong there.As for the coaches, you are what and who you are, instruments to better athletes' performances! - bcp |
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The athletes are key - Agreed. Admin up the creek.
26/08/2008 15:05
This is true of most sport bodies today. Now an added dimension called transformation. With that comes incompetency rather than doing the best for athletes. They need to start at the start, then follow trough. Take the Olympic times / mark achieved previously, then target that mark / time. Only when you WORK (with financial backing) towards that target do you realise what is required & not use politics / celebrity status. Olympics is about being the best of the best in the world. SA nowhere near. - Matrix |
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THROW KAJEE DOWN THE DRAIN
26/08/2008 15:10
The so-called 'chief of mission' Kajee is a disgrace,she is purley a political pawn, and it shows..shes hopeless. If I was screamed at by her, I would have been up for murder at China,shes nothing but an incompetent pile of rubbish - Marc |
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@- basic
26/08/2008 15:11
I Beg to differ, we must have more stamina than the east Africans! You don't see them running away from the police every day! - Neil |
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LvH, Dont fully agree. Coaches as part of administration (inclusive of officials) &
26/08/2008 15:13
MUST at least take part of the blame. The world has developed techniques to enable athletes to do better. Did our coaches use these techniques? Techniques can make seconds or minute differences required to win. Also, in Beijing, who got the better accomodation & facilities, the athletes or the officials? Who of them are more important? Also, been at venues where selection of best athletes are done. Majority of it is biased & not based on merit. This also results in bad performance / achievements. - Matrix |
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Amateur Olympics
26/08/2008 15:14
It's sobering when New Zealand, with only 4 million people, rank 15th on the medals table & Kenya gets 14 medals, 5 of which are gold!! What do they do right compared to SA?? More money...I doubt? Better (unpoliticised) adminstration..most probably? At least we have "gravy trains"!! - JDB |
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Newest SA record
26/08/2008 15:15
Biggest ego. We have plenty of them in sports and politics which shouldn't mix but do. Then there is the saga about money being blown on some presentation that never happened but the athletes had to go home as quickly as possible to save costs. Fire all those nitwits that crept out of the swamp and entered sports.Wasting money doesn't earn a gold medal! Besides, I think the rest were either doping&we weren't, or our coaches can't coach to save their lives! - M |
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Olympics SA Embarrassment
26/08/2008 15:22
The Administrators need to be fired. It's been a problem from Ramsamy's days. The sportsmen and women are also not without blame. SA sport actually SUCKS, and wait and see the embarrassment in 2010. Please someone take 2010 away from us. I do not want to be known as PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN - Steve |
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@Heino Bester
26/08/2008 15:23
As hosting nation Bafana Bafana does not need to qualify! The games they played for qualification, the outcome would have been as you said, did not qualify! We are lucky on that one, huh. And to add, it was more important for Gov officials to visit the olympics at million rands of cost, than the atheletes, who were not even allowed to attend the closing seremony. But lik it was commented, we must get used to it. - Get Real |
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Ray...
26/08/2008 15:24
Did you say fire Sam Ramsamy? Are you serious about that one? - John Camp |
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Who picked the athletes?
26/08/2008 15:24
Government didn't pick the athletes. The athletes had to QUALIFY for the Olympics just like all the other countries. This whole thing about money reminds me of Bafana players fighting about bonuses before they even got to Quarter Finals. Take the money away and see who has enough heart to compete and succeed! - koos |
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Merit
26/08/2008 15:26
I can assure you that all athletes in Beijing were chosen on merit. They had to meet some very stringent qualifying standards, for pete's sake. We can only blame AA up to a certain extent, and thereafter we need to find ourselves another scapegoat. How do you lay the blame on AA for the embarrassing happenings within the "all-white" swimming team?
What I do agree about is that the administration is not up to standard. Clean up there and leave this nonsense of AA athletes alone. - Beaver |
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@Hero Nakamura
26/08/2008 15:28
Only grass roots are left since the top brass has wasted the allocated money on absolute cr*p (as with about any other govt institution)! It gets me fuming when I hear how money is wasted that should be allocated @ finding new talent (we have 40 m people!)&training them well, building them the infrastructure. But everyone these days feels he/she is entitled to big bucks just because of some fancy senior position.If I were the top athletes I would put myself up for adoption by another nation - M |
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Paul Montele - All those in favour of AA
26/08/2008 15:29
Please pack your bags and move to Zim. We dont need your racism here. - Sinudeity |
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19 out of 22 national records broken, but only 1 medal!
26/08/2008 15:34
It is very easy to blame administrators. The fact is that our athletes tried their best (19 out of 22 national records broken), but their best was not good enough as the competition had gone a notch higher. Instead of harping on symptoms as done by author of this article, we need to find the root cause and address it. - Mpho R |
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Racist Paul
26/08/2008 15:34
Pauly my boy, you miss the point as usual. B4 I leave for Oz it's not the atheletes we are complaining about it's the amount of incompetent ANC buddies who call themselves adninistrators and climb on the gravy train. The chief of swimming says we'll tap into the vast black population for 2012. Africa, USA etc have produced ZERO black swimmers. Genetics play a role as well, but this clown doesn't know it. - The king |
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Paul
26/08/2008 15:37
There is no mention of race here or any accusations of race.... until you tried to make it so. Is it possible to debate with you without you spoiling it by acting like an ANC politician and fall back on your race card when you don't have an answer? - Point Blank |
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Misaligned
26/08/2008 15:37
I am disgusted with the whole mess. What I want to know is the salary bill for the sport portfolio administrators and management and measure that against grants for our athletes (a national treasure). It does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out...
If there was an olympics for jumping to conclusions, graving train running, ranting and raving and throwing red herrings, SA would be ahead on the medal table by a country mile.
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Again
26/08/2008 15:39
I've asked this question and it seems no one is willing to provide clarity, RACISTS THIS IS MY QUESTION, HOW MANY BLACKS WENT TO THE OLYMPICS GAMES AS COMPARED TO WHITES? and yet you still blame swimwear, transformation, ANC, you and your regime failed everyone moaning and throwing around your toys wouldn't help,it's either you transform with us or you leave! SIMPLE, the tasks faced by ANC goverment are more than what you were faced with, everyday instead of embracing reconciliation you moaning. - Paul Montele |
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Elect administrators based on ability
26/08/2008 15:40
I am a black guy,but am totally against the so called transformation of sport that is based on the fact that one is black without considering the ability one has.If a white person has the ability to coach or administrate why fight at all costs to put a black person who is an amateur.away with racial infightings.lets recognise people based on merit and not race - Nkosinathi |
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@Paul Montele, cmon stop your racist remarks.
26/08/2008 15:41
In my view it is NOT the athletes fault, regardles of race. The problem is with AA (as you refer to it) in administration. Soccer gets whitey, but in almost all other sports it is AA candidates that are appointed, not based on their proven competency. They are only there to ride the gravy train. I dont care what colour or race they are, as long as they CAN deliver. ALL our athletes got a raw deal, but the officials had a fantastic time. Is that fair? By the way, I will be in NZ next time round. - Matrix |
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Multiple factors
26/08/2008 15:42
Not just one reason people, it's a combination of factors.
1) Choose the best athletes, who really CAN compete at that level. I know it's any athlete's 'dream' to go to the Olympics, but no point in building false expectation if you're not good enough
2) Stop having so many admin hangers-on
3) Stop blaming politics - our only medal winner was BLACK by the way
4) Get coaching up to an olympic standard
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Change the womens hockey coach!
26/08/2008 15:42
Favouritism in selection, disgusting shouting from the sidelines (on international TV) - poor player management and lack of dedication to develop club hockey. We have awesome players just wrong coach - pro change |
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Racism???!!
26/08/2008 15:42
Ryno et all -sorry, but you're talking crap. The ONLY person to win a medal in Beijing was Khotso (does that name sound white to you? God knows if he would've been there if developing black talent wasn't a priority) Why do people insist on distorting facts to CONSTANTLY bring up race?! almost the entire team was white yet still people whinge about BEE/AA -unfrikkenbelievable! - VG |
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