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Too true
27/08/2008 08:35
Teachers do take a lot of flak from both parents and children. Parents also lead very bussy lives but what they don't realise is that we pay teachers to teach our kids how to read and write amongst othere academic subjects. Raising said kids on the behalf of the parent is not part of their job description. It does not matter how tired a parent is it is the parents obligation to make time to raise their children and if your lifestyle does not allow you to do this then you should not have kids. - Hayley |
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Totally Agreed
27/08/2008 08:38
Good acrticle, I completely agree with you. My mom has been a teacher for over 20 years and over the past few years hasn't stopped complaining about the children she has to put up with. Discipline should start at home and children not behaving according to the school's standards shouldn't be allowed in. Parents these days are shirking their responsibilities. - Chris |
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Well said Lindani
27/08/2008 08:38
As you say: "Let us pay more attention to our kids' education, behaviour and general well being." Some Parents NEED to wake the hell up! - Francois |
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Children & Parents - all races included!
27/08/2008 08:39
There is no way children can become ''good'' without strict contgrol & censor by parents & community.Children in SA are ''too loose''in majority but i believe some parents somewhere have a different approach.The moment you put too much power in ''juveniles'' you kill ''it''.I grew up in Zimbabwe with clear & strict instruction.For a grevious wrong i did, i got pain on my bums & i am proud of that past.It made me ''hesitate'', ''Considerate'' when i smell bad manners in all i did up to now!. - Tavengwa |
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Agree
27/08/2008 08:41
Could not agree more. As someone closely attached to 2 schools, I see many parents seeing school not as an educational environment, but as a daycare centre. They are just to happy to be rid of their brats for 6 or so hours. And to top it all, as you suggest, when their kids misbehave, they protect them at all costs, instead of allowing the kids (and thus teaching them something), to take responsibility for their actions. - Al |
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Agree
27/08/2008 08:49
But the previous regime on purpose broke down our social cohesion, leaving parents without a support network to raise their kids! So the schools need to cater for the lost generation by providing 'parenting'. We need to struggle together to rid our brothers and sisters of the scrounge! - Rhapelang |
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Im giving up...
27/08/2008 08:51
Education has always been my solution to fixing our country. A look at schooling in SA is DEPRESSING. Teen pregnencies, violence. Our kids are hooligans. Worse than that! Then the higher-ups adjust the bell-curve to pass MOST of the idiots. Bringing down the grade of the hard working students. Our government has no solution. Do they even care? SA'ians are so apathetic and lazy, the government must do EVERYTHING for them. I feel so depressed and hopeless today. SA is fucked. - Sinudeity |
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The unprepared matrics
27/08/2008 08:52
Your arguement holds value.However, I would have to say that the main cause of poor skills development in learners is OBE.This system was tried and discontinued in the UK and NZ. These countries have scavenged our skilled people from the previous education system, because OBE failed their children.Now students enter varsity without being able to read!And universities have to contemplate teaching their students such basics in the short time allotted to turn them into economically viable workers - Bridget |
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Well said!
27/08/2008 08:52
Very well put; couldn't agree more. - Dave Robbins |
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Rhapelang - "The struggle"
27/08/2008 08:58
The "Previous regime" broke your social cohension? Are you EVEN blaming your bad parenting on apartheid now?! THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH SA!!! People like YOU, cant face up to responsibilities. It is YOUR fault, not something that happened 20 years ago!!! Social cohesion?! Why didn't you FIX it since 1994?! - Sinudeity |
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Lindani......?
27/08/2008 09:00
Please tell this to the parents of those kids who stab/kill each other, burn down these schools etc. I drove past my old high school last week. They Have F*******G barbed wire around the school !!!!! I could go into more detail here but then I will be called all sorts of things. Silence is Golden. - Badger |
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LACK OF DISCILPINE
27/08/2008 09:03
I know parents who cannot believe that their children behave badly at school. At home they are obedient and act as normal teenagers.
O believe that in certain circumstances children also get under the bad influences of others and become real terrors during school time.
Teachers should be given the right to use the rod again to root out all evil pratices on the school grounds. Gone will be drug abuse, bullying and loafing, etc. - STALLION |
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Corporal punishment
27/08/2008 09:05
Bring back responsible corporal punishment. There is nothing like discipline as an aid to education. Children are to short sighted to see the errors of their ways 10 years down the line. Show them immediate consequences and they will prosper. For those who might argue this, i believe the treat is more powerful that the smack, but the smack needs to be there to be able to threaten. - Tim |
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matric
27/08/2008 09:05
and to take this to the next level:
(headline today)
One in three municipal councillors cannot read or write, and lack basic competencies to run local government finances. - hifi |
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@Lindani, Agree with some, not all.
27/08/2008 09:07
Bottom line, I am of the opinion much of this problem is Gov. fault. They take our taxes, then give schools little money to operate. We also pay school fees to make up the difference. In the past there were less children per class & more attention could be given to them by these teachers. Also, as you state, economic burdons force parents to entrust teachers with more responsibilities. Fact of life. Teachers attitude has also changed to dictators. Bottom line, balance should be restored. - Matrix |
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Lindani Gumede
27/08/2008 09:07
well said Lindani, teachers have thier own kids to take care off, they are at schools purely to educate the ones that goes extra miles are just good hearted peopel its not thier work, sometime back one news24 said teacher during lunch should be walking arount looking for criminal elements lol - morena |
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Chris
27/08/2008 09:12
i attended a public school and the rubbish teachers have to put up with from students is amazing, i don't even want to start with the example it scare me even now after 9 years - morena |
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Good article Lindani
27/08/2008 09:14
I agree with everything you said - parents need to take the responsibility for their offspring. I also agree with Sinudeity and Bridget - it doesn't matter how well behaved and mannered the kids are, the standards have dropped. Chatting to a teacher at my son's school regarding his marks, I was told there's no problem, he's passing isn't he? Parents need to step up their game, but the education department needs to rethink or just start thinking about their strategy. - TedHaller |
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Sinudeity, Rhapelang is right
27/08/2008 09:20
Most of the parents today to be specific black parents can't raise their kids properly because they were busy jumping the border running away from your apartheid gov, if not that busy being electrocuted in jail with police on a rampage in the townships believe you me. everyday someone father, mother, sister, brother, was either arrested or killed by the police - morena |
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BAD TEACHERS
27/08/2008 09:21
Our teachers in the township are a disgrace and do not do nearly enough to ensure children are adequately equipped to pass the exams - most of the children of teachers attend the former model C schools and receive a to notch education by teachers who are committed and teachers who goes the extra mile. Teachers in the township drink with children and even some of them have sexual relationships with the children. I have to say that there are good teachers in township schools who do try to do the best they can but this is insignificant as there good work are spoiled by teachers who have no respect for the children or the role they play within our society. - colin |
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Hear Hear
27/08/2008 09:22
Basic education, morality, decency, honesty and the sense of responsibility begins at home with the parents. However many parents can't even follow these principles themselves. Parents who want children should be screened and pass a means test - Tonsil |
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Teaching needs to be respected
27/08/2008 09:27
Very good, relevant article. I believe that teachers and the occupation of teaching needs more respect as it seems like it's the kak job nowadays. The world is quite skewed with regard to the amount of money spent on government individuals instead of schools and teachers. If the youth are to change the world, and the teachers are to mould those students,, shouldn't the teacher be rewarded? Shouldn't the PROFESSION of teaching deserve a better reaction than "Oh, you're a teacher...." - Krames |
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morena - what?!
27/08/2008 09:36
Morena, I understand your point. But, since 1994, how many times have you had to run from the police? What is apartheid doing to you RIGHT NOW, preventing you from spending more time with your kids?! Stop looking for blame EVERYWHERE! Its YOUR FAULT. Apartheid is just a lame excuse for people performing 2nd rate duties. Im a bad teacher, because of apartheid. Im a poor student, because of apartheid. Apartheid is DEAD! Why do you allow it so much control over your lives, even now?! - Sinudeity |
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Colin
27/08/2008 09:37
rather say some teacher all my primary and most of my high school teacher were and are still awesome, how do teach a kid that just said to you he hand you your mother in a hand right now and the continue to disrrupt class the wholeday, report him to the SGB or principal he will be waiting for you outside the school gate, i'm not exaggerating worst than that happend in my class for three years of my high school - morena |
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Well worded Lindani
27/08/2008 09:38
Unfortunately, as a parent, it is difficult to control every aspect of our childrens development years. The schools/communities aren't doing enough to eradicate the criminal elements within. We can do only so much as parents, our kids need take responsibility for their futures. - John Camp |
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Please don't deviate from the topic
27/08/2008 09:38
Whether we blame the previous or current gov does not do anybody any good. The bottom line is PARENTS MUST TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF RAISING THEIR KIDS SERIOUSLY. IF THEY CAN'T THEN THEY MUST NOT HAVE KIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE, FINISH & KLAAR! Parenthood cannot be outsourced. - Mzekezeke |
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@morena
27/08/2008 09:39
Yes, and everyday someone father, mother, sister, brother, was either threatened or killed by the barbaric revolutionaries. Further, so parents cant raise their kids properly today, because 20-50 years ago they went on a little road trip? Really? The infinite sadness... - mellancholly |
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@morena
27/08/2008 09:40
Dude, I have no idea what you're smoking... BUT police don't just go and arrest people for NO REASON... and PS: you twit! STOP LIVING IN THE PAST... ALL OUR CHILDREN WILL PAY DEARLY FOR OUR SINS! I guess, seeing that you're arrogant you probably dont have kids... and if you do I feel so sorry for them! - Francois |
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New Government
27/08/2008 09:41
As a parent I believe that the New government and lack of skills from the teachers is what's causing the problem, it's not the kids, why is it that in most Model C schools they are having problems, teachers no longer want to teach, they want parents to teach. That's what they are paid to do but not doing.Speaking to most teachers in my kids school is just a waste of time with these brainless idiots who work there.Discipline your kids at home and they will work harder in school.Wake up teachers - Undertaker |
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Reading, Writing and arithmetic
27/08/2008 09:44
In Grade R,1 and 2 the above should be concentrated on. If a child cannot read they cannot learn. You will be amazed at how many children at the age of 8 have extra math and reading classes because we do not concentrate on the basics. You cannot build a nation if the foundation is not in place. Good education is wealth. - Rob |
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Morena
27/08/2008 09:47
School going children today,were either born after apartheid,or if they are in matric they were around 4 when apartheid ended,so too use apartheid as an excuse for bad parenting is pathetic,racist and just plain stupid,but then again people like you will always try and make excuses instead of taking responsibilty - proud to be white |
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Lateral thinking required
27/08/2008 09:47
The writer raises some valid points, as do the respondents. School education is in crisis from crass govt. mismanagement, the futures of our kids are being sacrificed for the ambitions of politicians. But don't lose hope: this is where Unisa comes in: they offer 'degrees', but really just watered-down matric. Sad perhaps, but in the present crisis, a glimmer of hope. No talent required--just pay fees and queue for degree. - Heino Bester |
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Morena & Rhapelang
27/08/2008 09:48
Given that the apartheid govt were a bunch of pricks (understatement) - you cannot resort to blaming apartheid all the time! To do so just demonstrates ignorance. YES, they were responsible for a lot of crap(understatement again) but if you live life facing backwards - how can we create a future for the country? Think 'What can we do GOING FORWARD?' The past was a mess....now its up to ALL of us to fix it! - KS |
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@Mzekezeke
27/08/2008 09:50
100% in agreement with you "Parenthood cannot be outsourced" - Francois |
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Parents need to support teachers
27/08/2008 09:50
Especially when it comes to discipline. If I was sent to detention for bad behaviour I'd get a clip on the ear from my mum to go with it. Too many parents today don't support teacher discipline and the kids know. - Jann |
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cont...
27/08/2008 09:51
and do your JOB that you chose to do, don't leave it to the parents to teach the subjects you are skilled to do or are you skilled enough to do it or just complain about it. - Undertaker |
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Further to my first comment....
27/08/2008 09:53
Everyday currently (not in the past, TODAY) white people are victimised, killed, raped, brutally attacked etc. by revolutionaries and struggle-people (even though there is no revolution or struggle, per se). And even though white people can complain like theres no tomorrow, they deliver on their commitments and strive for the betterment of all (even you), despite these conditions of society which are blatantly and wholely against them. When last did a group of white kids burn down a school? - mellancholly |
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Hey morena
27/08/2008 09:53
That's right. Keep blaming apartheid. You will always stay a victim, for the rest of your life.O and for all us "previously advantaged" every day someone's father,mother,sister,brother is being raped or murdered in their own homes. All the black people that were killed during apartheid (Be it how wrong) isn't a patch on how many get killed every year in the new SA. Start taking responsibility. - Viparo |
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Solutions for our kids
27/08/2008 09:59
I have found one solution to the problems in schooling. When my two kids failed matric (aged 23 and 26), I sent them to Unsia as mature students, and the remedial programmes offerred there are very good. My boys are becoming literate, and shoiuld have degrees in about 18 months. so there are solutions to the national educational crisis. Take hope, and thanks, Prof. Pityana! - Moeketsi |
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@Sinudeity
27/08/2008 10:02
clearly you can't comprehand the damage apartheid did to black townships, societies and families, how about you give us 90 years to return favour to your people then we will talk but then i again people need to take resposibility though some were guide well by their parents while some were guided by the streets now everyone wants them to be good parents - morema |
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Blaming apartheid
27/08/2008 10:07
Compare the education system pre-1994 with the shambles we have now. It was fuly functinal, books were provided, teachers qualified, learners happy. Enter Asmal et al: Pandor opens a pandora's box of corruption and social enginering. The ANC's education policides have set the country back by 100 years, the 'new' SA education is, on World Bank statistics, at the bottom ofthe heap--and this in the 21st century. First revolution, then education: now see the results! Thanks, Pandor! - Heino Bester |
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Viparo
27/08/2008 10:09
i'm not a victim and will never be one and just like you said i musn't complain about our parents being killed everday for freedom so do this guys then "every day someone's father,mother,sister,brother is being raped or murdered in their own homes" - morena |
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@Sinudeity
27/08/2008 10:14
So please tell me who is still the poorest of the poor? Who was moved away from their tribal lands, forced to adopt a hostile and strange lifestyle they did not understand? To be used as cheap labour. If I tell any white person today that I will take their house, family and society away from them they get all up in arms and want to move to save overseas but that is exactly what the previous regime did! Pull the other one, it's got bells on. - Rhapelang |
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Totally Agree...
27/08/2008 10:14
Hayley, there should be a screening process to stop those parents from procreating. Sinudeity, I know what you mean! I also believe education is the ONLY way to help this country, but now that the government has screwed that up, there is little hope left. Education should cater for all the kids, but with the lowering of pass rates, it only caters for the "less gifted" children, and in the process everyone suffers! - Truth |
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proud to be white
27/08/2008 10:15
ignorance is a bliss calling me stupid and with comments like this one "School going children today,were either born after apartheid,or if they are in matric they were around 4 when apartheid ended" clearly you don't realise the effect a parent's past has on thier kids consciously or subconsciously, the only life you knew will probably be the life you give to your kids only a few can move away from it the ones who can't its not thier fault, ask psychologist they will tell yop - morena |
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@Heino Bester
27/08/2008 10:16
no books were ever provided at Boikanyo Primary school, Thutu Thebe middle school and Tsogo High school.
those were the Bantu schools i went to. - tshepo |
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Totally Agree...
27/08/2008 10:22
Hayley, there should be a screening process to stop those parents from procreating. Sinudeity, I know what you mean! I also believe education is the ONLY way to help this country, but now that the government has screwed that up, there is little hope left. Education should cater for all the kids, but with the lowering of pass rates, it only caters for the "less gifted" children, and in the process everyone suffers! - Truth |
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Morena
27/08/2008 10:25
Looks like you were a victim of your grammar teacher too. Maybe he was a whitey from the Apartheid era who didn't want you to be educated, LOL - Confused |
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Agreed
27/08/2008 10:27
Parents should know what role to play in their children's lives. These educators are heavily burden by an undecided government. With the ever changing curriculum, teachers have to struggle to be on par with what the gov stipulates, and unruly and not too bright learners to deal with. Parents should know that education does not stop in the classroom. I think if parents took time to go thru their children's school books after work they will realise what problems there are!!! - Pule |
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@morena
27/08/2008 10:28
I, LIKE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND... I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENED 90 YEARS AGO? I CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY, Are you thick or something that you and yours cannot comprehend this... You will never legislate my morality dude... Go live in the bush if you are not willing to participate in making South Africa better, which is evidently the EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN (the future). I hope that one day you will understand this, BUT I am doubtfull. - Francois |
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parents and teachers
27/08/2008 10:35
Morena, I know 2 black young men coming from backgrounds of extreme poverty, with parents doing very menial, badly paid jobs, living in shacks. They did very well at school and are now working on degrees. Their parents provided love, pride and encouragement despite their own problems. There are millions of such examples. Sadly there 10 of millions of 'blame someone else' like you. There is _no_ excuse, for neglecting love, discipline, & encouragment of your child. That is a parent's first duty. - Baboon |
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@ Morena
27/08/2008 10:43
Refer to my previous comment to you...if people in this country live in the past - then that is where this country will stay! Think about this - WHAT can you CHANGE by blaming an event of the past? NOTHING! Move Forward! We all know that apartheid was a stuff up...so stop harping on about it! Shift your focus, change your reality and change your future! - KS |
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The blame game
27/08/2008 10:44
The latest trend in south africa is playing the blame game. The game works as follows. As long as you can find someone or something else to blame such as apartheid or the past or satanism or alcohol or drugs or poverty you do not have to take responsibility for your actions or ommissions. You can do whatever you want. Great isn't it. - blame everone else |
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@Morena
27/08/2008 10:52
Do you copy and paste your comments from one board to another? Your answer to everything bad in SA is Apartheid. From sport to corruption to bad services to eduvation. Im afraid you have been brainwashed, as Cape town Kid said "I will always vote ANC", how can anyone be taken seriously if they state they will NEVER change thier views/support no matter what happens
Lets wait for 1 million % inflation....still vote ANC and blame apatheid, just like Bobs Western colonialist bull. Viva ANC! NOT - SimonP |
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@Morena think about what your saying for just 1 minute
27/08/2008 10:53
I did not grow up in the townships during apartheid - i guess my parents were pro-active enough in sending us kids away when these things were happening. Yes iam a very fortunate black person. But Morena even thou Apartheid was the most terrible thing you cant keep on blaming the past for the present and especially the future. If that your attitude to life you might as well give up now. Your using up someone elses space Morena. - Kolobe's nemesis |
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@KS
27/08/2008 10:57
you said "if people in this country live in the past - then that is where this country will stay" well i say you right and if you people keep on recalling all the farm murders from 94 i will keep on recalling 1910 - morena |
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morena - my apologies
27/08/2008 10:57
You are right, I will never fully understand what went on during apartheid. From the white side or the black side. I do not understand the present existing difficulties. But at some stage, black/white, WE ALL will have to drop our shit, interlock arms, and face our problems as a UNION. Black folks holding grudges against the whites (Because of past), and whites feeling marginalized in new SA, holding grudges... WHEN DO WE BECOME ONE NATION?! - Sinudeity |
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Mouthful
27/08/2008 10:59
You have said a mouthfull, the responsibility lies with parents,parents should be evaluating their kid's progress weekly, monthly and quartely and if your kid is not doing well you will quickly pick it up. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. - Paul Montele |
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Mouthful
27/08/2008 11:00
You have said a mouthfull, the responsibility lies with parents,parents should be evaluating their kid's progress weekly, monthly and quartely and if your kid is not doing well you will quickly pick it up. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. - Paul Montele |
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Heino Bester
27/08/2008 11:01
from Tshepo "no books were ever provided at Boikanyo Primary school, Thutu Thebe middle school and Tsogo High school. those were the Bantu schools i went to" NOW TELL HIM TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WHITE REGIME NOT PROVIDING BOOKS TO THEM, its only ok if thing i going alright for you and your people but anyone else must just take a hike - morena |
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Morena
27/08/2008 11:01
If I understand you correctly,you say that parents can take their past out on their children?WTF dude,are you that naive?Alot of shit happened to my parents,my parents were alcoholics,did it effect me?No it didn't,so you are probably one of those parents that will teach your children to hate whites because you were taught that,the cycle will never end,black people will always throw apartheid in the faces of the whites,and blame their propblems on us - proud to be white |
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@morena
27/08/2008 11:02
So typical - will never look to the future but in the past. In stead of acknowledging a problem and trying to fix it you try to push blame and want someone else to fix it. With your attitude you will always be a victim and search for excuses for being one. - Van |
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@Sinudeity
27/08/2008 11:06
a little bit of understanding and acknowledging the fact you know and don't know goes a long way, i hear a lot of White people saying that they are marginalized i won't dipute that cause i'm not in their shoes but in all honesty you said it right "WE ALL will have to drop our shit, interlock arms, and face our problems as a UNION. Black folks holding grudges against the whites (Because of past), and whites feeling marginalized in new SA, holding grudges... WHEN DO WE BECOME ONE NATION" - morena |
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@ Morena
27/08/2008 11:08
I'm sorry...i must have missed MY post about the '94 farm murders...honestly now!!!! you just proved my point by that comment though - you live in the past, and aren't among those who want to shape SA's future!! And when I said people - it wasn't insinuating black people, as it seems you took it that way - read it again! White people are also living in the past in this country! - KS |
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Sinudeity
27/08/2008 11:09
I'm with you on this one. The only reason why they blame apartheid (as usual) is that they can't except their responsiblities as parents and rather blame others for their problems. We will never get away from it. Look at the US, they still blame slavery after 400 years....go figure! If you a good parent, you wouldn't blame anyone for your failures! - Win |
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