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Agreed
28/08/2008 10:35
Arthur, I could not agree more. I am like many people out there who are not opposed to organ donation but I have not stipulated that it can be done. I need to change that. - AJ |
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Arthur
28/08/2008 10:39
What a beautiful article, well researched and factual. I agree, there are many things Black people need to re-address in this day and age and I'm not being racist just making an observation. Blood, organ and tissue donation is a very important aspect, I do see more and more Blacks donating blood and that is exciting. - Point Blank |
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Too true
28/08/2008 10:42
I'm black - didnt realise organ donation was taboo in our community? always figured that as its a "new" idea it will naturaly encounter resistance. Its painful for newly bereaved families to give consent to the "mutilation" of their loved one. Spot on about Manto, though, yet another failing on her part *sigh*. - VG |
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Agreed
28/08/2008 10:46
Great article...i completely agree with you. I for one am a registered donor. What i can never seem to understand is why everyone isn't? you dead for crying out loud, who cares what happens to your liver after that? Even if you do care, SURELY the idea of saving a life far outweighs any grievances you may have with the idea of someone taking one of your organs. Sure the idea may be strange to you but you are DEAD and you are SAVING A LIFE!! Cmon people! - mo |
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Although you are highligthing the black comunity.
28/08/2008 10:48
Which is a good thing, I think that the amount of organ donors accross all faiths and races is not eneogh. - HVR |
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can someone explain?
28/08/2008 10:55
Why would organ donorship be taboo amongst black people? - mallencolly |
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VG it is taboo!!!!
28/08/2008 10:57
I believe in ancestors and an ancenstor without a kidney doesn't go do well with me. before you start attacking you must respect my belief. Hopefully if people communicate this more I might just change. I respect the dead and am wary of "violating" the body while umntu elele ukuthula. - mxhosakazi |
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I echo your plea
28/08/2008 10:59
and thanks for highlighting the need for organs. By the way, when you become registered as an organ donor, they give you a bright red "ORGAN DONOR" sticker for your ID. I was stopped in a roadblock, handed over my ID, policeman says "Ah, an organ donor", says I "Yes, they didn't want the piano.".... Become an organ donor and you too can make terrible jokes like that! - Dave Robbins |
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It's sooo easy.
28/08/2008 11:02
http://www.odf.org.za/. I registered a while ago. It is easy as pie, no cost involved. What greater legacy can you have after you are gone. The last greatest gift. - chillepeppa |
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What about Muti?
28/08/2008 11:07
I ask you: What's better: Getting a liver transplant PROPERLY done by doctors, or having to do whatever with dried out remains of a murder victim? - Juan |
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mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 11:15
While I note your beliefs, I still feel that it is a little strange to regard someone whose physical body has long since decayed into dust as more important than someone who will suffer and die as a result of no organs being available.
If your ancestor had lost an arm or a leg (or a kidney) in an accident, would you still feel that you can't believe in him? - Oom_Kosie |
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Donors
28/08/2008 11:27
See the plight of the Blood Transfusion Service, what is the excuse of the blacks there? - ChrisR |
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I'd rather not!
28/08/2008 11:27
They should let you specify who gets your organs, i.e. no addicts! If manto was walking from shabeen to shabeen with my liver, i would be turning in my grave.
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I - Yo!!! mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 11:28
"an ancenstor without a kidney doesn't go do well" that is the funniest thing I have heard all week. Your thinking is exactly why there is little progress in the black communities. The nation is dying because of lack of knowledge (both literally and figuratively). - KLZ |
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I'm an organ donor
28/08/2008 11:28
Like Mo said, you're dead. You're not going to use your cornea, heart, liver etc. They're just going to become wormfood or ash. Why not make a difference in someone's life and become a donor? One organ donor can make a big difference in over a dozen people's lives! That to me is a hero. - Rads |
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@Juan
28/08/2008 11:30
Yah, make a comment that looks down on us again. What has muti got to do with it? It's white people who kill unborn babies for their stem cells but that is 'science' not 'witchcraft' so that's ok then. I agree with Arthur, we need more black people as donors. - Rhapelang |
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i agree
28/08/2008 11:33
but sadly in our culture u know how it goes, the ancestors are not going to accept u with half ur organs taken out, so i guess its culture v/s reality asap! - nai99 |
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Donating @ mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 11:33
Mxhosakazi, are you saying that if you or a relative desperately needed an organ transplant to survive you would turn in down in the eyes of your "belief". Come on get real. The soul of a human body it just that, a soul, with NO body. Wake up man. If the "Masses" took kind to organ donating, just think of how many lives would be saved. - cvz |
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Correct
28/08/2008 11:35
South Africans need to turn away from this muti and herbs crap. It may have been practiced for thousands of years, but it has always been wrong. Organ transplants have been a major step in medical science which has saved lives. It is exciting to see new developments, such as a two-arm transplant. Who would have thought that possible? - James |
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@mallencolly
28/08/2008 11:35
I suppose they would like their forefathers to be in one piece!! - EB |
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mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 11:36
You gave the answer - thank you. - EB |
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What use have the dead?
28/08/2008 11:37
A dead ancestor has no use for their organs. Revere their spirit all you want, but realise that once they are dead, their organs are as useful to them as the hair that was clipped when you had your last haircut is to you. - James |
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Black people and muslim people should not get transplants..
28/08/2008 11:40
There is a severe shortage of donors in the country .Because of black people refusing to do so because of their ancestors..and muslims for some religious beliefs..So I don?t think its fair that people who refuse to donate organ parts ..i.e Black people and muslim people should get transplants.They are very hypocritical when it comes to receiving body parts..yet refuse to give..
At 16..people should sign a doc..to OPT OUT of donating..and that should prohibit them from receiving.. - neville |
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would be donor ................
28/08/2008 11:51
I never really thought much about organ donation, somethings we take for grated until it hits you.I have recently became a new mother and my baby was diagnose with a rare liver desease and would need a liver transplant. Somebody outthere will save my baby and I took a vow to become a registered organ donor and a life will be saved out there. - Rato |
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Well said
28/08/2008 11:53
I don't think many people realize what a valuable contribution they could make by being organ donors. Yes, it isn't nice to think about your own death, but if someone else can have LIFE...surely that's something! To mxhosakazi: I respect your beliefs, but think for a moment if it was you or a loved one who needed an organ - would you put thoughts of your ancestors before the opportunity of saving an existing human life? - D |
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Brilliant
28/08/2008 11:55
Well done Arthur, the best article posted so far on this site. It is actually sad - every now and then you hear and see of calls for people to donate blood but I have never seen or heard of anything about organ donation, an easy way to save a life or lives actually. Wake up Manto!!!!! - Confucious |
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Mxhosakazi??
28/08/2008 11:55
And if one of your ancestors had to have a kidney or other bodypart removed due to illness/cancer, does that now make him/her an un-ancestor? - TB |
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mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 11:56
but then in turn i hope and trust that you make it very clear to everyone that you do not want to receive a transplant should you ever need one.
as an organ recipient all i can say to those who DO become donors - thank you. while i have no clue who the donors of my corneas were (2 different people) every day when i open my eyes and SEE i say thank you. to them and to their families. - fed up |
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@ArthurM, Me & wife are reg. organ donars, but like with so many other issues....
28/08/2008 12:00
in our communities, there are some concerns. 1) Will our organs be wasted on already HIV+ patients OR given to people who are old? 2) Will only the rich benefit? 3) And much more... This last give of life / quality of life should not become another money making racket & those that really deserve it, should get it. The reverse is also ture. If I need an organ / blood / ... What assurance do we have that these organs are not infected? I know they do tests, but these tests are not infalable. - Matrix |
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One Phone Call
28/08/2008 12:00
As Chillepeppa says, becoming an organ donor will take 1 minute of your time. And dont put it off, here is the number, 0800 22 66 11. They will take your details and then send you the stickers for your ID and Drivers. - Justine |
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It's easy
28/08/2008 12:01
Don't expect organs if you and your family aren't willing to donate. Seems simple.
Same issue really, we expect 1st world cars, service, medical, but wanna stick to African traditions, tribes, values & norms. Never gonna work. Time to choose.... - Pietbril |
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Organ harvesting should be done
28/08/2008 12:02
automatically when someone dies. Legislation should be passed so that this is done as a matter of course except when someone has specifically stated that they are not in favour. I loved the comment about not wanting an ancestor minus a kidney! - lloyd macklin |
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No Donations from me!!!
28/08/2008 12:03
I really do not want confusion when I resurrect from the dead, what if the guy ends up in hell and I will be in heaven without my kidney! I want to have a serious party when I get to heaven without my kidney I wont be able to indulge into wine! - Kolobe |
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I love the part where you say....
28/08/2008 12:04
"..would not wish the conditions on anyone's relation." not sure if you meant it, but how true. It is far more painful to watch somebody you love suffer than it is to suffer yourself. And Mxhosakazi can you explain to me why your ancestors need their liver, once the person has moved to "the other side" are they not finished with their physical body, we therefore either cremate or bury the "remains". Why is there a problem using some of the remains to save another life and then bury the parts that cannot be used? Your ancestor will not be without a liver/kidney/whatever they are free of their physical body. If they still need their physical body I'm sure having it infested with worms is worse than just taking parts of it to give a gift to somebody else? - Karen |
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It may sound contravercial, but why don't Gov Health Auth...
28/08/2008 12:04
Bring back the death penalty, then use the criminals organs to give "good people" the chance at a better life? Just a thought or option... There are other options also, but some of these may also be controvercial, like using stem cells from phoetus's... etc. There must be something more that can be done.... - Matrix |
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i really feel for the sick
28/08/2008 12:05
but cutting myself up is currently not an option. maybe if it hits closer to home i might reconsider.
this organ donor thing really makes me uncomfortable, sorry but it doesn't agree with my "beliefs" - tshepo |
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follow up
28/08/2008 12:06
hi Authur i think it would be a good thing if you could do a follow up on the article so as to give more information of how to go about donating (the place s, contacts, etc). i was really touched and i would love to her more and do some thing good for atleast one person (donate an organ). - Yaya |
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@ Dave Robbins....lol
28/08/2008 12:07
Man...! you killed me with the piano joke. Mxhosakazi, come on, me and you as black people who should know better, can start educating our black brethren about organ donorship. It never fails to amaze me how soon people are prepared to donate as soon as the ones close to them are the ones afflicted. What are the views of our Christian brothers and sisters on this one? I`m dying to know...oops sorry! - nathinyce |
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Mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 12:17
I'm with mallencolly on this..why is it taboo? if you had a child that was dying, but you culd save his/her life byy donating an organ, why wouldn't you? and if you did, what would be the diff between donating while alive and donating after death? I would be v proud to have a kidney-less ancestor who had been instrumental in saving someone else's life. - VG |
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Less Education about Organ Donation...
28/08/2008 12:17
I think there's not much being done to educate people (black people) about the importance of donating organs & blood.
I'll do my research to see if I can be able to donate myself. I won't mind to save life if I can. - 50%Single |
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Thanks Chillepeppa
28/08/2008 12:18
Although my family knows my wish to be an organ donor, I had never registered. I've just done it. I don't see much point in going to my grave with healthy organs when someone else desperately needs them. - Jann |
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Thanks
28/08/2008 12:20
I always wanted to become a donor, but something always happened that I forgot about it. Because of your article, and the link in the article, there were no excuses. I just became a donor. So easy. Thank you. - Eve |
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Organs
28/08/2008 12:22
Great article and some sensible debates here. Must say I am surprised that Kolobe and Angus haven't put their 2 cents in yet?? Maybe they are on the list for brain transplants?? - Cynic |
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Orgon Donation
28/08/2008 12:23
I am at present on a dialysis machine, and have come accross numerous people who have had a transplant or who are on the machine. What I want to know is:- Why will black people not donate an organ, but are quite prepared to accept one? Just a thought because the Ancestors do not seem to mind if you have a "foreign" organ inside you. - Pat Savage |
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@ Rhapelang
28/08/2008 12:26
Rhapelang, you can't classify stem cell research as something "white people" do. Some eminent researchers in the field are black and Asian.
In any case, stem cells can now be created from adult skin cells - no more unborn embryos have to be "killed". Therefore, your flimsy point completely falls away in any case. - Oom_Kosie |
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Become a Donor
28/08/2008 12:27
I thought a couple of years ago what I want to have happen to my body when I die. I had a rough time to find out how to become a donor. Good news is the guys and girls at Medic Alert did everything for me. I am now a full fledged donor. What cannot be used of my carcass to help somebody else goes to research for future help. CONTACT MEDIC ALERT AT www.medicalert.co.za OR email medicalert@telkomsa.net AND HELP A FELLOW SOUTH AFRICAN!!! - SM |
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Please Help!!
28/08/2008 12:30
Anyone who's a O+ Type please stand up!! There'a life that needs to be saved !She's still young & has a lot to live for!Only one kidney can make her dream come true!!I Volunteered but our type did not match.Just ask for my details & i will quikly provide some!..........She's got a 2yr old SON!!!Anyone..? Please!!! - Les-Maada |
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mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 12:31
What in VG's post gave you the idea she was attacking your beliefs, she simply said she was unaware that it was an issue...........now she knows that its an issue for you. Regards - Gail |
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Rhapelang
28/08/2008 12:33
Stem Cell Research may save your life one day. By the way lets not mention all the black babies thrown in toilets or garbage dumps. - dhv |
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@ chillepeppa
28/08/2008 12:33
Thanks! I just checked it out and registered. If everyone reading this does the same, it is making a difference, however small. We won't need our organs when we're dead, so come on people - it's a case of something very positive coming out of death :) - D |
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Kolobe, dude
28/08/2008 12:33
You've got 2 kidneys man, and one LIVER. The LIVER is for dopping. Not your kidneys. I doubt heaven will be dishing out any wine anyway, but we can only hope :) - Viparo |
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Less money on Aids and more on Research
28/08/2008 12:36
If more money is used to research cures for certain diseases then we would not need organ transplants so desperately. Therefore less money should be spent on preventable diseases like Aids/HIV and more money should be spent on kidney, liver diseases etc. - helen |
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I was once a blood donor...
28/08/2008 12:39
until I learned that the blood transfusion services throw out blood donated by black people bcoz they believe all black peopl have some disease or other. Remember the drama that they had with Mr Mbeki a while back? These things are not very encouraging and don't lend to motivating black ppl to adopt this foreign practice. - Nada |
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@nathinyce
28/08/2008 12:41
The Christian Bible teaches that we will have glorifed bodies in heaven. No need for our earthly bodies. I will gladly donate
my organs to someone who needs them and so what if they go to a person, black or white who does not believe in organ donations. Hopefully they will use the extra time they get on earth to make
right with God ! That would be amazing !
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My controversial through of the day
28/08/2008 12:42
In a country where 18000 people are murdered annually....its a shame that 3000 people wait for organs.Fully agree that legislation should be passed..ask not what your country can do for you, but...and then to think some people actually get cremated! oh, the wastefulness of it ;0 - VG |
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Touchy subject
28/08/2008 12:44
This is also a very touchy subject in our house because my sister has been on dialysis for many years. We also discovered during the year that Jews do not donate organs because they have to be buried with all their organs, HOWEVER, they are able to recieve transplants. This to a family who is about to lose a loved one is really not on! - ALS |
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Interesting Mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 12:47
What do your ancestors say if you have to receive somebody's organ to save your life?
I'm not yet an organ donor not because of ancestors, but because of lack of knowledge and fear of the unknown. As for blood donation. I can't even give enough for seven lab test tubes. - Olivia |
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Christians
28/08/2008 12:55
Can anyone tell me what the Christian belief says about organ donation? I am a Christian and would love to know if I can sign up. - Pyre |
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Receiving but not giving
28/08/2008 12:55
I think that we should all ask ourselves "Would I accept another person's organ?" If the answer to that is yes, then we definitely should seriously consider registering as an organ donor. We cannot expect to receive but not give. - Jann |
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Organ donation ???
28/08/2008 12:56
Can anyone enlighten me, does Jewish law prohibits organ donation ? - MartkAntony |
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Who pay the price
28/08/2008 12:57
After paying 14000 rands for a bloodtransfer and get not 1 cent for giving blood monthly shows you someone is making bloodmoney . To be an organ donor is the right thing to do , it should be donated for the cost of the burial. What is the price for a pint of blood ?? - Boela |
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Rhapelang
28/08/2008 13:00
Which white people killed babies for their stem cells? Get off your high horse, you're lost up there. - Chantelle |
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@mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 13:01
Mxhosakazi, think of it this way. Your ancestor without the kidney would have signed up as an organ donor and would therefore be quite happy to be missing organs. - Clare |
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matrix
28/08/2008 13:01
i think its something to consider doing coz its for a good cause.i know of someone who is going thru the dialysis everyday and its not a nice life really,worse she does not have a proper bathroom to dialiase cos the room has to be infection free and all,so think about it,Mpo - mpo |
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Organ donation
28/08/2008 13:01
I'm also a registered organ donor. Same opinion here: You're dead, nobody is going to be able to use your parts when it's in the ground, so I see this as one of my contributions to this earth and my fellow human beings. - suzelle els |
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Thank you
28/08/2008 13:02
Thanks Arthur, definitely a good thing to bring to people's attention. Donating an organ truly is a way to give life. Also take a moment to look at becoming a bone marrow donor, there are far too few donors (odds of finding a donor is 1:100 000). http://www.sunflowerfund.org.za/about.htm. A friend of mine passed away due to leukemia five years ago today. - EvylShnukums |
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Be tolerant EB!!!!
28/08/2008 13:02
Guys you need to be tolerant of other people's beliefs and also also respect them.Whether you see it as lack of knowledge or what you need to understand that this is not something we do as black people. My grandma opted to die that have her foor amputated due to diabetes and she passed on. Try and understand where we are coming from as well and DO NOT ATTACK! Who said you are right and MAYBE I need to be educated on this donor thing. Again an ancestor without a kidney is a NO NO for me! - mxhosakazi |
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No Good
28/08/2008 13:04
I'm on the fence with this one. Luckily I don't need to make a decision, as I drink and smoke - even if I wanted to, they couldn't use them. - MlB |
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Blood donation staff are unprofessional
28/08/2008 13:05
I remember last year I went to Sun City with the company, and there were people there trying to get people to donate blood. They acted like pushy salesmen, and I refused because their demeanour made me think that they were just cowboys. People who gave blood were given "No Chicken Award" certificates. Implying that non-donees are chickens is very antagonistic and further cements their appearance as cowboys. - James |
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organs
28/08/2008 13:05
I have just regeistered online, easy peasy! I have also sent a mail to all my friends about it. One of them is Jewish ans has also said that they are not allowed to do this...But we are not sure of all the facts. Come on guys register! - Roms |
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@Neville
28/08/2008 13:05
Please dont generalize and stop being a fool! i am black and im a donor myself, what about the Johavah's witnesses? They have both black & white members and they dont donate cause its against their religion. People need to be informed more about the benefits of donating and then we will see a change. - TT |
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Organ donar club
28/08/2008 13:06
After reading all comments it seems fair then that only people registered as organ donars before they needed an organ donated should receive organs?? Hmmm wonder if you can stipulate that? - Greg |
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Organ donar club
28/08/2008 13:06
After reading all comments it seems fair then that only people registered as organ donars before they needed an organ donated should receive organs?? Hmmm wonder if you can stipulate that? - Greg |
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I am surprised...
28/08/2008 13:07
I did not know that there were people who would accept an organ donation but had beliefs that prohibited them from donating. I would have found the opposite easier to accept. I, personally would be quite happy to donate my body for people to use whatever is usable, once I am finished with it. I would, however, think I would feel a bit uncomfortable with somebody elses organ in my body. Although I have not had any serious disease so perhaps I need to suffer a dialysis machine for a couple of months which will probably change my mind and make somebody elses kidneys seem far more appealing than it does right now. - Karen |
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Why??
28/08/2008 13:10
If there is such a long waiting list for organ recipients, how come Manto got a liver so quickly????? - cedb00 |
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@ Fairy and Matrix
28/08/2008 13:13
Thankfully I don't think one gets to decide who your organs are given to. I will leave it up to medical professionals to use my organs as best they can. And Tshepo, of course its your choice but I'd rather not deny someone a continued or improved life because I feel icky about someone taking parts of my body when I no longer have use for it. Think of it as recycling ;) - EvylShnukums |
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@MartkAntony
28/08/2008 13:15
There is now such thing as jewish LAW only jewish BELIEFS. I prefer to call any religioun related beliefs "superstitions" because none of it is based on facts. - TB |
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Religion / believe and donation.
28/08/2008 13:15
Come on people, be realistic. Whatever religion you are you cannot believe that your afterlife will be spent at yout buriel site in you old body. What will you do if you lost part of your anatomy though an accident or (Kolobe) you are born with only one kidney, eye, ear or wharever. Rather give a part of your body to someone who need it rather than the worms, etc. eat it (or it is burnt to ash). Be bold and give a little of yourself, you cant use it in any case. - SM |
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Organ Donor
28/08/2008 13:16
Thanks for the great article - I too, have been wanting to register for ages now - will do in a sec.. Regarding stem cells, they are taken from the baby's ambilical cord, never heard of a baby being killed for this? The only reason why "whites" are said to be doing it is because it costs a small fortune to freeze the cells for future use. - Booboo |
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A Solution:
28/08/2008 13:22
Although I generally dislike Govt interference in our lives - how about putting your donor status on our ID's or drivers licences, then allow citizens to opt out of this programme by specifically requesting this. - AndyMo |
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@nathinyce
28/08/2008 13:24
I am a Christian and both my wife and I are registered organ donors. We believe not in resurrection, but in a totally new body after the second coming of Christ. So this body is on it's way to dust anyway. What is important is your spirit, not your body. Look after what God has given you, and do not be misled by futile arguments. - Mark V |
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@Juan
28/08/2008 13:25
No, I will not accede! Most of these post are to put us black people in a bad light and this should stop! Who gives any of you the right to criticize our customs and believes! Freedom is something we as black people gave this country, before it was only the views of the oppressors that was relevant. So stop trying to prescribe again like you people did before, it's finished. - Rhapelang |
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@ Nada
28/08/2008 13:26
Check your facts, the blood service does not throw away blood donated by black people. They screen people for high risk practices and lifestyle and then screen the blood itself, if you partake in high risk practices (e.g. if you inject drugs) they will not take blood from you afaik. They didn't accept Mbeki's blood because he refused to disclose his HIV status iirc - EvylShnukums |
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Know the facts
28/08/2008 13:27
There are great facts and information on organ donation (how different religions and cultures feel about it) on this site: www.transplant.netcare.co.za
Please note everyone: even though you may register officially as an organ donor, the decision will never be yours - it would be up to your family to make that decision. They will be approached by someone from the ODF as soon as you are declared brain dead. Therefore, please discuss the fact that you want to be an organ donor with your family. - PL |
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@Mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 13:29
We know how you feel about donating, but Olivia asked if you would accept an organ to save your life? No answer from you on that one. - Jann |
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It's not Taboo, just lack of education!
28/08/2008 13:31
Thank you for this article,this is so true! I don't think it's totaly taboo, i just think that we as black people arn't educated enough to donatae organs!
I'm a black 23 year old who is really interested in being an organ donor!I once mentioned it to my Mother and i got the impression that she wasn't impressed! I'm really scared giving away one of my organs while i'm alive! But i have made up a desicion that my will, will say that just before my organs start to expire they shouldbe given away - Gugu |
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@ mxhosakazi
28/08/2008 13:33
Your beliefs are your choice, but please answer this: would you yourself refuse an organ from a donor, because you do not believe in donating? I personally don't think anyone who is against organ donation (to SAVE LIVES!) would deserve to receive one. And aren't ancestors a spiritual presence? If you had a disabled ancestor (perhaps missing an arm or something), would that make them less worthy? I do not understand your beliefs so I am asking, not attacking. - D |
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@ MlB
28/08/2008 13:34
There are many organs that can be used, some of which would not be affected by drinking or smoking. So think again. - D |
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Oh Rhapelang
28/08/2008 13:41
Please keep your shirt on. I don't think anyone here is trying to prescribe anything. And please note that I am a self-defined Witch (although not in the way you may think) and have nothing to do with body parts of any living creature other than having just registered as an organ donor. So please bear than in mind when throwing the word witchcraft around, and accusing white people of killing babies - what do you know of stem cell research anyway? - EvylShnukums |
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@MAtrix,
28/08/2008 13:45
I like your death penalty/donation idea, its a win win situation, you get rid of the unworhty scum and save the good... - Bas |
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Beliefs
28/08/2008 13:54
Although I do think organ donation is a must and an essential thing to do, It is sad to see people attacking other people's beliefs or cultures. I am sure many people are open to the idea, if we just approach it differently. It is not constructive though, to ridicule other people's belief systems. - Mark T |
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@Rhapelang
28/08/2008 13:59
Nobody who is stating facts is trying to put you down, wake up out of your denial and next time you do not feel so well go to your traditions and visit one of those purveyors of rotten flesh and see if you heal. - ChrisR |
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@ TB
28/08/2008 14:05
Thanx for "correcting me" but there is something called "Jewish Law", practised by those who are Jews...anycase do you an answer to my question.
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"does Jewish law prohibits organ donation" ? - MArkAnthony |
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@EvylShnukums
28/08/2008 14:08
With the present state of technology, starting a stem cell line requires the destruction of a human embryo and/or therapeutic cloning. There was valid reasons that Bush of America stopped funding embryonic stem cell research. And well done on being a witch(although not in the way that I think). - Rhapelang |
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@EvylShnukums
28/08/2008 14:09
With the present state of technology, starting a stem cell line requires the destruction of a human embryo and/or therapeutic cloning. There was valid reasons that Bush of America stopped funding embryonic stem cell research. And well done on being a witch(although not in the way that I think). - Rhapelang |
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@Annie
28/08/2008 14:12
You are so right - no need for flesh in heaven (1Cor 15:50). That makes me think why we focus on ancestors if the only one that matters is the One and Only. Forefathers can't do anything for you, only the Father can. So Christians - donate what you can... Gos isn't interested in flesh. - Jax |
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