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Zim
04/09/2008 11:24
Did you ever think that Mugabe will relinquish power seen that he has the absolute support of his "gabba" Mr Mbeki? Wake up and smell the roses, you are dealing with African "democracy" one man, one time, once only. Please desist of using SA as the shining example, we are already on the slippery slope of autocracy. - ChrisR |
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we can but wait
04/09/2008 11:30
nothing sensible will happen, full stop.
we can but wait for the mugu to kick the bucket.
can we not import some of those bombers from iraq to come take him out? - lolcat |
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good suggestion
04/09/2008 11:34
Unfortunately I think it is a pie in the sky.South Africa's leadership is politically incapable of mediating a solution that implicates wrongdoing on the side of a liberation movement. But to everybody else, your suggestion sounds perfectly fair. The way things go now is frightingly suggestive that it is indeed to possible in Southern Africa, to ruin a country without any accountability, and to then steal an election, and yet still retain the air of legitimacy. - kwk |
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Leave Robert Mugabe
04/09/2008 11:34
Please can we leave Robert Mugabe alone as he is the only rigthful ruler of Zim. He has reshaped the country in his 27 years and he has done a fine job in creating huge amounts of wealth. Let him take zim to where it needs to go. I am sure after his last term he will give Morgan a new country. - Thabo Z |
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Tsvangirai is too weak himself..
04/09/2008 11:37
Yes, he is getting a raw deal from elections that he clearly won against a government that lauched urban terror, however many observers have noted that the man himself does not appear hungry enough to rule. Mugabe was weak and has since been given hope by the security forces, Mbeki, SADC and AU. The people of Zim with their attitude of emmigrating than fighting for justice also doesn't help, they fail to turn-up for mass actions and stay-aways, now who can blame Mbeki there? - Libembe |
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Boring
04/09/2008 11:42
This is becoming the most useless site to visit. I am not sure what the objective of this site is. I sense it is made for stupidity, racism, short sightness, anger, apartheid loyalist to vend their anger at the fall of white supremacy. Does the editor of this stupid site thinks we enjoy being insulted by fools everyday?
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Fear not.... South Africa will follow
04/09/2008 11:44
Anyone who lives in South Africa and does not to some degree believe that South Africa will follow the path of Zimbabwe (and other African bananocracies) when the time comes that the ANC popularity declines is living the illusion. How much propaganda can the SABC squeeze into an african language news bulletin? Have you noticed the militants getting agitated when they sense that not everyone agrees with their choice of "president"? I have my backup plan and destination for when it happens. - Joe Soap |
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@ Thabo Z: Wow.
04/09/2008 11:46
I agree, Thabo! Bob has certianly reshaped the country - into a pile of crap, not even resembling the beautiful and economically stable country it used to be! And he has indeed created vast amounts of wealth for himself and those who support him. Don't worry, he is doing a grand job of flushing Zim down the toilet. I disagree with you only on your statement that that is 'where it needs to go' - in someone else's hands this most likely would not be the case. - dh |
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The Reason why South Africa will become Zim... ppl like...
04/09/2008 11:53
Thabo Z. You are not kidding he has "reshaped" the Country... he got a nice shiny brand new car and now it's just a rusted wreck that won't even start. Sadly, Mugabe dying won't solve the problem, one of his cronies will just step in and fill his shoes. Zim is doomed to stay as is unless huge reserves of Oil are found there!! - The Anti Bunny |
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The world just sat back and did nothing
04/09/2008 11:57
We regret more often the things we didn't do than the things we did.
Shame on us. - paul |
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The way forward
04/09/2008 11:57
The only way for peace to return to Zimbabwe is for the West to intervene, we have seen so many examples that these African freedom fighter animals cannot lead a nation. Zimbabwe must be colonised by England again, I fear the same solution sould be the best way for South-Africa, as all of Africa have lost the path, we have actually started turning the Civilised West against us - The Prophet |
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@Thabo Z
04/09/2008 11:57
LOL, funny Thabo, funny :) Glad we still have some comedians to make this awful subject more bearable - TJK |
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@ Thabo Z
04/09/2008 12:00
How big an idiot are you? The people of Zim voted for the MDC. Then mad bob killed a bunch of them,, held another election and then claimed he won. Rightful leader? I wouldn't put him in charge of mopping up floors. A new country? There will be nothing left so I suppose it will be new. - Nico |
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Load of rubbish
04/09/2008 12:04
This is the biggest load of rubbish. It merely used conjecture as facts. President Mbeki has not forced anyone to sign. while I despise Mugabe, Tsvangiraye has spent so much time trying to be otherwise. Yes he won and all that, but the attitude has to change otherwise civil war - L van Heerden |
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Thabo?
04/09/2008 12:07
"He is the only rightful ruler"
I dont understand how you can say this. The rightful ruler is MT. He won the first election. Mbeki's mediation is pointless. Stop trying to make everybody happy Mbeki, somebody is going to be upset. Why do we call it an african democracy if there is zimbabwean proof that it is not so? - Robert Ndungane |
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@ Thabo Z...
04/09/2008 12:07
Your ignorance must be blissful my friend! - KS |
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@ PP
04/09/2008 12:07
I think he does... - tarded |
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Thabo Z
04/09/2008 12:08
WTF, what happened to democracy buddy? Do you know that democracy is? Can we leave Robert Mugabe for he is the rightful leader of Zim? What mentality is that? As far as i'm concerned the "rightful leader" of Zim is Morhan Tsvangirai UNTIL he is democratically voted out and replaced with the next rightful leader. What a bizarre comment clearly made by someone who has absolutely no idea of democracy. - John Camp |
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Libembe: Morgan a coward?
04/09/2008 12:19
Please enlighten me as to how couragious you will be if you are an opposition leader in a country controlled by a mad dictator with the army & the police in his control? He is no use to his supporters when dead, you know. Do you expect him rather to behave like Bob and get his own military forces together? At least Morgan appears to be cilized and non-violent, fighting only with what he has to his disposal - foreign & local political support. - TB |
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same issues
04/09/2008 12:25
Do you people realise that you are arguing about the same things month in and month out. Why not chat about something else for change, this is kinda boring now. - MP4 |
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You are joking?........
04/09/2008 12:33
"He has reshaped the country in his 27 years and he has done a fine job in creating huge amounts of wealth." - I hope you are joking because if not you surely are the biggest freakin idiot on the planet.I'll tell you what you racist bastard!Why don't you go live in that great and wealthy counrty. - VJ |
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Libembe
04/09/2008 12:36
I'm sure you comment just for reactions because you don't put a lot of thought into your comments. Either that or you are ignorant, but in a innocent way. Zims turned out in their thousands to vote out Mugabe, strange how we all seem to forget that. And when they did, Zim vets killed and beat them senseless. Did you perhaps forget that too? - Point Blank |
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Thabo Z you have lost the plot
04/09/2008 12:49
I cannot believe the comment made from Thabo Z, as a recent visitor to Zim, I was shocked to find the country in such a poor state. From being arrested for exceeding the national speed limit, to be accused of money laundering and further being stopped by cops who categorically demand a bribe, it came to my understanding that Zim is a desperate place. Everyone is just trying to grab a little piece of the pie and it is beyond trying to become wealthy but more for survival. - SWP |
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A mixture of supposition and fact.
04/09/2008 13:05
Firstly the majority of Zimbabweans did not vote for the Tsvangarai-lead MDC faction. That faction has the largest presence in a hung parliament, but not an outright majority. It is at best supposition to portray Mbeki as trying to set the agenda. There is a proposal on the table - a normal part of a negotiating process. That does not amount to forcing an agenda. - Big Bad Bob |
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@Thabo Z
04/09/2008 13:08
HAHAHAHAHA... heh, you are one brilliant comedian!
Unfortunately, Mugabe will never willingly give up power, the last farce of an election was proof of that. For the time being, there is hugh potential in Zimbabwe, but not while Mugabe and his Zanu-PF cronies have anything to do with it. - Bob |
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You are not serious, Thabo Z
04/09/2008 13:08
Where on earth have you been hiding, I just cannot believe what a stupid comment you have made. What exactly has he done for his people, please tell me, explain, for I must be walking around with my eyes wide shut. What a crass you are! Let me just go before I say things I am going to regret. - carol |
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When does the Hurting stop!!
04/09/2008 13:14
Can somebody tell me if Zim fatigue is a registered medical condition yet? If not, it really should be. Well, I guess there's always apathy. - Nanker Phelge |
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What is Mbeki's game?
04/09/2008 13:18
Point Blank is correct - Zimbabweans voted and from were I sat it was clear they wanted Mugabe gone - despite Mugabe's best efforts to eradicate those voters. Where does Mbeki, if he said it, therefore come from to say the principles are in place for an agrrement to be signed. Morgan is right - he not Mbeki will remain accountable to see that the will of the people is deleivered and this is not so in this agreement. - GKM |
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Missing Thabo Z
04/09/2008 13:19
Amazing how many readers miss the humor of Thabo Z's comment. Lighten up people. - Marras |
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The solution is the Zimbabwean
04/09/2008 13:20
You are correct Libembe, during apartheid I do not remember more than half of black SA residing outside South Africa. We faced the apartheid bullets, white insults, racism, Robben Island and every prison in South Africa but we continued fighting for freedom , we put our lives for freedom. Verwoerd, Swart, Botha, etc were as stupid, babaric, animals ten times more than Mugabe. Actually Mugabe learnt babarism from them - PP |
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I think Tsvangarai is part of the problem
04/09/2008 13:24
Now it is true that in the period preceding the presidential run-off terrible violence was inflicted upon MDC supporters. But these supporters had already sent a strong signal to Mugabe, and Tsvangarai had a good chance of prevailing at the polls. But he removed himself from that race. If he'd toughed it out he might not have to negotiate now. Now he has to sit around the table but rather than negotiate (IE nobody gets everything they want) he expects capitulation. - Big Bad Bob |
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Geanann
04/09/2008 13:28
What are you basing your opinion on? According to yesterday's Star and Business Day, Tsvangirai was offered the post of PM with "expanded powers", a seat on the v important National Security Council as well as the power to select some % of its members. Bob was to be given the role of "ceremonial president". Think this artcile just emphasises how little we know for sure about whats really going on in Zim... - VG |
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Len Van Heerden
04/09/2008 13:30
Len, imagine you were Zimbabwean? These poor people have been reduced to starvation and forced to face intimidation, violence and even murder, just because they voted for change in their country?
Why should Tsvangarai settle for any less than the full will of the people? I do not like to advocate war, but in retrospect, how was SA's freedom won in the end?
Has Mbeki not simply made the situation worse for Zimbabweans by being too diplomatic in his handling of the crisis? - Peter Neill |
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Mugabe is right
04/09/2008 13:40
Africa needs strong man who will not bend to demands from the west. The west want to impose Tsvangirayi on us, we are totally against it.
Why is it that the white community now thinks Mugabe is wrong when they were supporting when we the Ndebeles were being killed?? hypocrisy at its worst.
Pamberi na vaMugabe
Mugabe is right - Mwana |
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@Libembe
04/09/2008 13:45
If Morgan was such a coward, he would not refuse to sign an unfair agreement and bow to the pressure put on him by Thabo and regional leaders. I would like to see how many people on this forum would have the balls to walk back into Zim in his position. - Rian |
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@geanann
04/09/2008 13:48
I think the solution you have put out forward is the only way forward. If Rob refuses, then the regional leaders should freeze all ZANU-PF local assets and deny ZANU-PF leaders the rights to travel in Africa. Rob is currently under no pressure to sign as only his country suffers. - Rian |
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@ The Prophet of doom
04/09/2008 13:50
Do you really believe that your "solution" to Zim's problems is colonisation? If you do then you're such a bigoted idiot. It's amazing that we're told to forget the past & people like you live in the past. Racial hatred breeds on itself, so please stop your it. - Thabo |
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@ Mwana
04/09/2008 13:52
Let me explain this to you and I'll do it slowly ok. People come and go, we get old and die, younger people take the place of older people. The whites of then are not the whites of now... We were not the same whites back then, most of them have died... get it? New whites new ideas moving forward.. - Point Blank |
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@Mwana
04/09/2008 14:02
I don't understand. Are you saying you support a man who slaughtered your people? - Rian |
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Selective democracy is not democracy
04/09/2008 14:18
It appears people want to credit Tsvangirai with winning the first election without fully understanding the Zim electoral system. There was need for a runoff becoz noone won the first election outright. Tsvangirai has no legal claim to any electoral victory and he knows that. He brought the situation upon himself by boycotting the runoff. He needs to sign the 50/50 deal on the table instead of the globe trotting he is doing.Mugabe ndizvo! - Dzvinyangoma |
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Peter Neill
04/09/2008 14:26
Peter, if I was Zimbabwean, I would want my leaders to come to an agreement that would make my misery disappear quickly, instead of them fighting for positions that only benefit them and not me and the rest of the staving population.
Also, it is President Mbeki's involvement that has brought hope there. There is no way Mugabe is going to give up unless there is something for him. - L van Heerden |
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How was SA's freedom won?
04/09/2008 14:28
Ordinary man and women in South Africa fought for freedom and asked for assistance while taking the lead. They sacrificed their freedom and many ended up in jail, dead or in exile. They did not flock to other countries in numbers but continued to fight for their country. When the end came, they did not go for the jugular, they were magnanimous and offered an olive branch to the defeated side. Otherwise, we would have seen WAR, right? - LvH |
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To Thabu Z
04/09/2008 14:30
I wish I had some of what you're taking. The world must be a lovely place looking through those rose tinted glasses of yours... - Shay |
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