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The reasons for emigrating

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2008-10-06 11:10

Daniel Roberts, News24 User

It is easy to see why so many South Africans emigrate to London. The surrounding areas resemble much of the South African landscape and with the added benefit of safety it makes sense to see why so many do make the big move.

However, I can't say that London provides a better lifestyle. Expensive yes, especially property where living conditions are confined and narrow. Differences between expensive areas and poorer areas are minimal, and everything is just plain old.

Lifestyle activities included getting completely intoxicated most nights of the week, and as much fun as that sounds, there seems to be very little regard for responsibility and future quality of life.

But the one thing that stands out from the rest is the very obvious obsession regarding race and religion. Even towards white British locals nicknamed: Chavs.

I am ashamed to say that most of my family is racist. As much as people make out crime to be the number one factor for leaving South Africa, I believe the racist element in most of them was rather the reason for leaving.

This became increasingly evident as ex-South Africans talked amounts themselves with clear hatred for black people as well as there so-called Chav counterparts. It is true that when you leave you take all your issues and insecurities with you.

Something else to complain about

Another clear point was the complete lack of understanding regarding the Muslim religion and that of the holy month of Ramadan. Most felt that the Muslim community were using Ramadan as a way to get out of work. Many Ex-South Africans in London said they would never go live in Manchester or Liverpool because of too many Muslims living there.

And then there are the Polish people who are considered by most in the UK on par with Africans.

Leaving South Africa will not make you a better person or provide you with a better lifestyle. It will only give you something else to complain about.

I will never understand why so many people hate other cultures and religions. I long for the day when, as a white person, I can write down on a form that I am African and not Caucasian. And I also know that if crime were not an issue, South Africa would be without doubt "utopia".

Let's forget about those who have abandoned our country and let's start rebuilding our nation together. We will show the world come 2010 what we are capable of.

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Charli 10/6/2008 11:20:22 AM
Well said Daniel, but now beware of all the aggressive comments about to flood this site - I also think SA would be utopia without crime, but ALSO without poverty, racism, AIDS, and Manto. Lets continue to rebuild this great nation!
Anon 10/6/2008 11:23:33 AM
I just want to know if the writer has been a victim of violent crime and if his salary is a nice cozy one, because that is why most of us are leaving.
witseun 10/6/2008 11:24:02 AM
I have been saying this all along. But we should be careful not to generalise in absolute terms. We should also respect the reasons why some people emigrate. However, having lived abroad for some time I am 100% convinced that the majority of ex-South Africans that thrive on lambasting SA have got racial issues. Somehow they try to convince us in SA that we are the idiots and that living on that mud-island is the best choice they could have ever made. I feel sorry for them...
Kolobe 10/6/2008 11:24:22 AM
We said before and we shall repeat, good riddance to those that have left, the country is ridding itself of rascists,we are not going to chain people to this country, we are not shocked that those that decided to leave have recently being coming back in numbers.
Dries 10/6/2008 11:24:30 AM
People leave SA for other reasons than racism you twat! They leave due to (1) crime (2) JZ and his following (3) affirmative action (4) BBBEE (5) Escom crisis (6) water crisis (7) corruption (8) health crisis (9) 12 % conviction rate on murders (10) SA rape capitol of the world...
Zee 10/6/2008 11:25:14 AM
So, what exaclty are YOU doing in the UK? Moaning, just like all the other WHINGERS. GAL, bro.
Tim 10/6/2008 11:25:37 AM
Some of the articles in the 'rant your our letter' forum are boring, but well written. Some are controversial and poorly written. But there is surely no excuse to publish a boring poorly written article with no substance. This is not a dig at Daniel, as it is not his fault. But rather the editor.
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 11:26:32 AM
Most of the people I know that left this beautiful country did not want to leave but felt they needed to. Crime was the number one reason when asked, and most of them are afraid for the futures of their families. If you can't tolerate crime and are concerned for the wellbeing of your family it does not make you a racist - generalising about people you don't know and branding them racist just because they had the guts and common sense to leave is!
fuzzy 10/6/2008 11:27:12 AM
As much as certain bloggers would loike to make out that it is only the SA whities that are racist it is not.It is a worldwide phenomenon to dislike/distrust that which does not share common bonds with regard to ethnicity or religion. Only in SA is this a crime worse than murder.
Shay 10/6/2008 11:28:11 AM
A very inspiring letter. Well done, I'm in!! Who else will be prepared to jump on the bandwagon?
Chris 10/6/2008 11:29:26 AM
I'll agree with you that there's a lot of racism, but not only from whites. Some politicians make white people in SA feel about as welcome as a Nazi in Israel. Transformation, BEE etc. may be necessary, but I still think it should be done with sensitivity to all races. Whites are just as African as anyone else born and bred in this country.
BALA BOY 10/6/2008 11:29:50 AM
I think crime is the no. one enemy that is gripping fear into this nation other than religion or race that makes one to leave.
Proud African 10/6/2008 11:30:37 AM
I couldn't agree more! I have no problem with people leaving this country, but do have a problem with ex-pats continually trashing SA, trying to justify their reasons for leaving, when the main reason is most probably their hatred/fear for people of a darker coloured skin. Can't wait to see what their response is to this letter.
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 11:31:24 AM
"Let's forget about those who have abandoned our country." What a load of baloney - your family should stay close to your heart no matter where they are living. Why do you feel the need to put yourself up on a pedastal just because you chose not to emigrate? I believe your comments are flawed as nobody would leave their homeland based on race issues alone. There are always other factors that motivate - it is those issues we should be concentrating on INSTEAD of blaming racism!
Dan 10/6/2008 11:32:30 AM
I have to say a well written article..and I am sorry about your family...I guess you ar ethe black sheep of the family..LOL...Maybe those who have left will realise that not only SA has problems of Cultural differences..crime...etc..we might be suffering a bt more than others, but still same issues, for all you know even white africans are being treated badly in those countries.
Juan 10/6/2008 11:32:45 AM
I can see why people steal food out of desperation, but what about violent crime such as rape and murder? 'researchers' attribute this to 'poverty' but the politically incorrect truth clearly shows that genetics play a significant role in this.
LvH 10/6/2008 11:32:54 AM
I concur with your well written letter. Crime in South Africa affects mostly the poor who live in areas where there are gangsters. London or other 1st world countries, rather the people from areas affected by the same crime you find in a place like London. It was Londoners who rebuilt their country after WWII instead of running to other countries & expecting those left behind to correct the problems. The sooner we admit that we are not always motivated by selfless motives, the better.
jiles 10/6/2008 11:33:02 AM
why do white people always get painted with the same brush? even by their fellow whitie? Guaranteed the fact that most people leave this country is not because they are inherently racist, it's because of a useless government and a high crime rate that cause people of all colours to leave.. not all people who are white and emmigrate are racist.. most are afraid..
The Anti Bunny 10/6/2008 11:33:17 AM
Firstly, why do most South Africans equate England with London??? There are other cities and towns... and you don't have to live in Manchester or Liverpool either... I am returing to the UK(after having lived here for 20 years) and I'm going to live in Norwich. Countryside and "the broads" down the road. My reasons for leaving are NOT racist. There are many people of ither races in the UK! the major 3 reasons I am leaving SA are. 1.) The political Climate 2.) Violent Crime 3.) AA.. no jobs here!
HT 10/6/2008 11:33:34 AM
Daniel? Cheezzzz!!! I find that some people always assume theres some nasty mean spirited intention behind others actions. I will admit I know some racists. They are the first who will refuse to immigrate. I personally (and I know that was the case for some of my friends who now live in Aus) will only immigrate to escape the violence in SA. Other cultures in SA really do not affect me. You made a very bad impression with your article.
SeanO 10/6/2008 11:33:54 AM
The culture divide is a greater issue than pure skin colour. Corruption and rogue elements advocating the demise of SA, if they don't get their way, are also factors considered by those emigrating. Most people just want to live in a 1st world country, something SA seems to be moving away from, rather than towards.While the future looks good on one hand, it looks pretty bleak overall. Should I stay or go??
Christopher Raymond de Wet 10/6/2008 11:34:10 AM
Great column, i think that with a positive out look on our country and peolpe looking to make a difference we can show the world that SA is great people that complain and moan the whole time make me physically sick. Forget the trators forget the racist and the people looking to make the difference should come together and make SA a wolrd leader
ghost 10/6/2008 11:34:11 AM
So you couldn?t get in, is that it? Sorry about that, good-bye and good luck on rebuilding the nation.
Hansie 10/6/2008 11:34:51 AM
Bravo and well said. As a White South African, I am not going anywhere no matter how hard I am pushed.
Kaz 10/6/2008 11:35:19 AM
I am considering leaving South Africa and it has nothing to do with racism - in fact, I have spent most of my career training others in diversity, non-racism and nation building, but now I've had enough. I feel I have to leave because of crime and crime alone- I want to be able to drive down a highway at night without being hijacked. I want my children to be able to ride their bicycles in the park without getting robbed. And no - I'm not going to London as it is no safer.
Ryan Matthews 10/6/2008 11:35:55 AM
The one thing London gives white South Africans is the opportunity to be slacker/stoner barmen and still hop over to Europe twice a year. Or the Wimbledon hair-dresser. The Saffas really are peasants. But, then there are the banking/corporate types. But these are few and far between.
Livin' in the UK 10/6/2008 11:37:06 AM
I read and re-read this letter trying to understand why it was published. The author gives no clues as what experience of London he as drawn on, gives us skewed (and rather random) perspectives on what South Africans in the UK are thinking, views that are tainted with obvious prejudice. He then concludes that all south africans are racist, and pays the obligatory lip service to SA 2010. All this written in the style of a Grade 3 pupil. News24, what is your problem with London?
NewAntiZuma - Washes away corruption 10/6/2008 11:37:08 AM
"I'm just a Dreamer........"
anwar 10/6/2008 11:37:11 AM
Good article Daniel . Lets look at positive ways of making our South Africa a haven to live in. I am proudly South Africa and looking forward to 2010.
khuzwa' 10/6/2008 11:37:57 AM
Now why cant there be more white south africans that share ur views .
Mark 10/6/2008 11:38:18 AM
Daniel, are you saying that black people who leave SA are racist? People are leaving the country because of crime. Period. Not Racism. Your family might be racist but not all people are racist. If I choose not to mix with other races is my cultural choice and not because of hatred. You are closed minded in your own world.
Devil's Advocate 10/6/2008 11:38:21 AM
I dont think so. You are entitled to your own opinion. If your perception about people Emigrating, is that it is for racist reasons, I suggest you find yourself some other friends. Most of the people I know (including black)who emigrated did so for economic reasons, with the crime rate, a catalyst.Regarding your misunderstanding about classification on forms - we were promised, during the CODESA negotiations, that never again would we be classified by colour.
Sven Gohre 10/6/2008 11:38:44 AM
Ex South Africans hate Blacks? Rather a huge generalization. Hate is such an emotional word. I am just wondering if you are just stirring the pot of racial tensions for the sake of debate, or is there some ulterior motive to paint all ex SA citizens with the same brush. It is almost impossible to bebate the subject rationally, all the usual racial slurs will be trotted out, sort of dejevu ad nauseum.
The Truth 10/6/2008 11:40:05 AM
in your opinion an ever downward spiralling crime rate,worsening service delivery (eg.public transport),AA policies and over all better recognition overseas for what you know rather then being black has little to do with emigration? I have no desire (nor the financial resources) to emigrate to Swaziland even as I love my country, but I do understand why some are leaving.Good luck to them I say,as long as they don't continue to moan and bitch about SA once they are already over there.
David 10/6/2008 11:40:26 AM
Next time your wife/daughter goes out alone, don?t worry about her getting raped in your Utopia - next time you stop your car at a traffic light don?t look round you - you will not get hijacked - Next time you look at your new president - don?t worry he is actually very educated and is not in it for self gain. Next time you want free medicine don?t worry ? there?s beetroot. But I guess its whites committing all the crimes - and if your family actually hate whites and blacks are they racists? Or just culturealists?
mark 10/6/2008 11:40:51 AM
Where are all these people who have emigrated and come back in numbers. Nowhere, because that is not true. People in the UK on 2 year working visa are coming back because they have to, not because they want to.Get your facts straight.
Hero Nakamura 10/6/2008 11:41:34 AM
Stop exaggerating man, its annoying!!! Crime, corruption, 12 % conviction rate on murders and SA rape capitol of the world; All which are encapsulated by the Crime, no need to repeat yourself. MORON!
zigzaw 10/6/2008 11:41:40 AM
I think crime is a definite driving force behind people leaving the country and that cannot be denied. But I have to agree with you that fundamentally your outlook on life and believe systems will follow you to wherever you go. And just make you complain about the same things somewhere else. the main thing is that SA can be an Utopia, we (people, government etc) just need to sort out some of the things like crime,aids etc.
Cape Town Kid 10/6/2008 11:41:51 AM
You must also remember that in the past it was very difficult the broda's and sistas to travel.Hence the increas in numbers.But I have always been optimistic abt our country minus the "whingers".I also believ that there r are many like-minded peeps who have the same intepretation of jus getting on wit it. Hence I'm proud of you Chief. Africa can only be built by Africans such as us!
John 10/6/2008 11:42:04 AM
Obsession with race is endemic in SA. For those who voted for a non racial society, the new SA is a great disappointment. Law after law refers to race. The government must accept blame for this.
Winny 10/6/2008 11:43:30 AM
Meaning the very same problems you think you running away from ,are waiting for you in doubles, and plus some of them are new, good luck with adjustments. i always asked myself if people are ignorant of USA, HAVING BEEN A Democratic country for so long, but racism, crime and unemployment doubled. you cant run away of the big three.
grant 10/6/2008 11:43:55 AM
This article- besides being poorly written and lacking both structure and a vaild point- contains some very dubious "information". The comments about South Africans' attitude towards Muslims, using words like "many" and "most" to describe the number of people who have intolerant attitudes are laughable. Did the author take a census of South African expats- using a reasonable sample in order to reach these conclusions? I think not- more likely this attitude was picked up in a small group of people and is now being passed off here as "fact". Might I suggest that the author start associating himself with more enlightened people, perhaps those that are not the nightly binge drinking bigots that he talks about in ths article
exit strategist 10/6/2008 11:44:03 AM
I'm hoping your letter is done in the spirit of starting a heated debate on a (relatively) newsfree monday. On its own merit its one of the most close minded, blindly accusatory pieces of writing I've read and what's worse, poses as an optimistic one.
gavin 10/6/2008 11:44:18 AM
It is the mentality of people like Kolobe which irks me most. The likes of him would rather see the country destruct under the guidance of his corrupt incompetent coronies, than build a nation which has so much potential. We are not all racists, but to live in such a violent and incompetent environment becomes intolerable. And when we depart we are made to look like racists. Truth is I'm also happy to be rid of the likes of Kolobe, and move to where my skills are appreciated. Packing for Perth...
charly 10/6/2008 11:44:42 AM
My dear boy, Which planet of monkeys are you from. I left SA because of purely financial reasons. And I am living in London and absolutely enjoying the life, the culture,the financial rewards,the safety and the lack of complaining. Listen carefully to what Saffas say here especially and the lack of moaning is sometimes astounding. There is near nothing to complain about here unless you are a moaner which fortunately here there are fewer of!.
angola badprop 10/6/2008 11:44:43 AM
A well balanced article(not) where you forgot to mention affirmative action,neputism and blatant racism and arrogance from blacks.There's still exists a little thing called freedom of association and religion.In England they are not forced to swallow and are not made to like other cultures or religions.Dont forget that white people already have their own culture and religion and you cant force antoher upon them.If you dont like that sue them.
Paul 10/6/2008 11:45:02 AM
This is perhaps one of the worst examples of someone making poor inferences from their narrow view of the world that I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Just because your mates/family are bunch of ignorant alchoholic racists doesn't mean everyone else is.
Bronwen 10/6/2008 11:45:43 AM
I am a white South African and currently in the process of migrating to Australia. I would like to point out that I am not leaving because I am Racist, like so many other South African who are leaving. I am leaving due to crime and because I have been Subjected to crime 4 times in the last 4 months. As well as giving my children an better life, where they can ride their bikes outside, have a better education system that does not cost me an arm and a leg, and be able to study what they want!!!!!!N
hc 10/6/2008 11:45:43 AM
I hate to say this but it seems that the majority of South Africans, black and white, are racists. There are to many idiots with no morals and no work ethics living in this wonderful country of ours. PLEASE STOP RACISM!!! Please also do not make out that people leaving the country are racists. My family and I are leaving the country soon and regard ourselves not as a racists just concerned about our safety (not nice to face a gun in your face).
The Truth 10/6/2008 11:45:44 AM
if their public transport service went on an illegal strike for three weeks leaving 3 million monthly commuters stranded as is the case in Ethekwini currently,and then proceeded to burn the trains or buses in protest.As I said before,I love my country and all of it's diverse people,but Hell,it is made very difficult to continue with that love sometimes.
CC 10/6/2008 11:45:51 AM
Much of your article may be true, however i do belive you making a minority, a majority. I am planning to leave too (God Willing), and yes for a safer place to stay possibly but saying "I believe the racist element in most of them was rather the reason for leaving" & "hatred for black people" is just wrong. Maybe we want to leave cause the oppotunities abroad are better and even though I am coloured. Its not the colour of my skin that determines my success but instead the skills I have.
James 10/6/2008 11:45:52 AM
I have emigrated to start my career. It was virtually impossible for me to get a job at home, so I am in the UK for experience. The fact that I could get shot any day of the week at home also makes life here easier to justify. I miss home every day and plan on going back. If the talk about resolving crime turns to action I will be home tomorrow.....
Anon 10/6/2008 11:45:55 AM
I was a victim of violent crime, and that is my reason for leaving. I miss my family dearly, but the fear is gone. I'm a professional with a very good job, I'm not called a racist around every corner, and believe it or not, the majority of my friends are of a different race to me.
Naz 10/6/2008 11:45:58 AM
I cant wait till the day i can write african and not coloured or malay. I'm in the UK at the moment and I cant wait to get back to SA.
Nicole 10/6/2008 11:45:58 AM
I doubt we will make progress until inflammatory idiots like Julius Malema and such do us all a favor and get lost. People need to realise that we are all in this boat together and for it to keep afloat we need to work together.
Hero Nakamura 10/6/2008 11:46:05 AM
Stop exaggerating man, its annoying!!! Crime, corruption, 12 % conviction rate on murders and SA rape capitol of the world; All which are encapsulated by the word 'Crime', no need to repeat yourself. MORON!
AJAY 10/6/2008 11:46:29 AM
.. for leaving good ole RSA would be a deep sense of shame. Our politicians are shameful, our sports record shamed (think Hansie) our culture shamed by "xenophobia" (just another word for barbaric acts of brutal violence against our brothers and sisters), our "leaders" shamed - think Mr Selebi, Robert McBride, Julius Malema etc.... and our black bretheren bloated by a sense of eternal entitlement ..."until the colour of a man's skin, is of no more significance, than the colour of his eyes"
Point Blank 10/6/2008 11:46:29 AM
Please tell me you have gone? Please tell me people like you have left South Africa! You bitter, take a pill. I don't have the money to go, I like it here and I am prepared to make every effort to make this country liveable, I promise you when it is like that I won't have a problem when you come back.
andrew kelly 10/6/2008 11:47:14 AM
It's about quality of life, england is not all london, I moved from cape town to nailsea outside bristol and have never looked back and there is no crime in nailsea, africa is a toilet
J-Man 10/6/2008 11:48:00 AM
Simply put - why should as a white stay in a country which only favors blacks? THAT IS RACISM but I must put up with it? No thanks . . .
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 11:48:20 AM
"the country is ridding itself of rascists" - I assume the country is puting you on the first flight out then? Why label everyone that wants to leave this country as racists? As far as I know, in the South African constitution there is no limit on where you can and cannot decide to live. Or are you interested in reinstating Apartheid kolobe? When will this us versus them mentality end? We are all human beings, no matter where in the world we live.
joe 10/6/2008 11:48:47 AM
I think that most people leave because of crime and employment policies.If you can't get a descent job because of your skin colour then crime is an excellent reason to leave.I also think that crime fuels racism.This cycle is what is making South Africans so negative and bitter.
Juan 10/6/2008 11:50:28 AM
Some cultures do no see rape and murder as something 'wrong' or 'bad' and these views are incompatable with more advanced cultures' views, hence the conflict and subsequent emmigration.
paul 10/6/2008 11:51:01 AM
I came to SA from UK in 1992 as I thought with the unbaning of the ANC that SA was going to be a wonderful country. I'm leaving in 2009 because of crime, government ineptitude, corruption, government incompetance, government fraud, BEE, AA and a gradual breakdown of everything from health to education. NOT because of racism. Its astonishing that the likes of Kolobe refuse to see the deterioration of basic services.
Richard Hipkin 10/6/2008 11:53:40 AM
We are here brother, it's just that some people in this country do not want you to know that. We everywhere, the young white generation does not hold racism in their hearts... but we are not allowed to shine or not shown to our black brothers and sisters....our warring political parties need ammunition and I'm afraid racial divide is perfect ammunition...
Gus 10/6/2008 11:53:45 AM
Helloo - London does not equal England. Not everyone in England lives in small cramped spaces. If crime and EE/AA was not an issue in SA 85% so Saffa's would not leave. If I was treated the same way as any other RSA citizen, and had the same opportunities, and did not have to fear for my life going about my day routine - I too would move back to SA. But until then - my kids deserve a better and safer future! THAT my friend, is the bottom line.
Richard Hipkin 10/6/2008 11:53:52 AM
We are here brother, it's just that some people in this country do not want you to know that. We everywhere, the young white generation does not hold racism in their hearts... but we are not allowed to shine or not shown to our black brothers and sisters....our warring political parties need ammunition and I'm afraid racial divide is perfect ammunition...
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 11:54:08 AM
"Now why cant there be more white south africans that share ur views." - Because unlike him, we can speak with an English accent..
Benzo 10/6/2008 11:54:55 AM
Remember that racism is systematically fostered by the ANC, by Mbeki and his entourage, by the odious Pahad and many others. BEE, AA, spirraling criem etc. are just some of the many faces of this contagion that has driven out, and still drives out, the best brains from the country. It's one thing to establish a Zimbo scenario--but another to live in it. Ask Tsangvirai and the others who were so keen to implement racist polciies and drive out Whites. SA has got what it deserves.
Abrie 10/6/2008 11:55:39 AM
I am living abroad as well for the past 7 years - not London though. I have to say, my reasons for leaving SA has nothing to do with race or whatever, it was due to the poor employee rights I've experienced. I have to say that everytime I visit London, I try my best not to speak Afrikaans, because most of the Saffers I've dealt with who lives in London, I am to ashamed of being associated with. Please do not classify all South Africans livnig abroad as the same.
Freshly Ground 10/6/2008 11:56:04 AM
There is a small glitch, you assume that only white people are racists when blacks, coloureds and indians also can be. To single out whites only is disingenuous. Ummm who are the "Africans" that Polish people are supposedly compared to? Are they only black people from Africa? I'm white and live in Africa, what am I? Dream on about Utopia, since man could walk we have been distrustful of other races and religions that we are unfamiliar with.
LRob 10/6/2008 11:57:16 AM
that long for the day that we can simply be proud of being South African without having to specify what colour we are. At the moment, I am battling to find things to be proud of and as a parent with 2 small children, I am having a constant battle with myself as to why we should stay due to: wait for it... CRIME!!!! and the politicians...
Skully 10/6/2008 11:57:44 AM
I would like to share your enthusiasm regarding our country Daniel, but I think the problem is the competence of government. It seems the only person doing his work is Trevor Manuel. Our economy is the only thing that improved since we became a democracy. Poverty, Crime, AIDS, unemployment and racism have remained roughly at the same levels and I can't see it changing very soon. My friends & family left SA for the pound and work opportunities and not because of racism. I will never leave though.
celery 10/6/2008 11:58:33 AM
Actually the only reason Im leaving is because I just want to do something different, see a different part of the world, walk different streets, hear different news, experience change. Our country has its problems, but then so does the rest of the world. Call me a cynic, but racism is everywhere, you will NEVER be able to rid yourself of it. It exists in some form or another on EVERY inhabited continent. It is human nature.
Andy 10/6/2008 11:58:45 AM
Please back up your ridiculous statement with some facts please. Have you ever considered what happend to the population of this country in the 40 years prior to 94? Ever crossed your mind that what you experience now is the result of that? You are similar to Julias Melema... think before your speak. You are part of the problem, not the solution.
charlie 10/6/2008 11:59:14 AM
Is when ( and its close) the governmunt keeps on ignoring that crime is out of control. SA is not a safe place anymore its no ones fault besides the govermunt. There are many poorer country's than SA with no crime. It seems like the govermunt supports the murdering of its cictizens the way the ignore crime factors
Godfrey 10/6/2008 11:59:19 AM
You are saying what most white people don't want to hear...
Jax 10/6/2008 11:59:32 AM
Well said - thought I was the only one that felt like you said. How do you fill your empty stomack by raping and killing people?? If they get the crime levels down, I'll vote for them.
Jason 10/6/2008 12:00:02 PM
I fully agree, I have friends who left for Australia, only then to complain about the high number of Asians there. Parent must teach there children not to be racist. I had parent that did not tolerate us showing any form of disrespect to other races, the use of the K -word was banned in our household. People so easy go into racist attack mode to settle differences. We must learn not to judge the person but the situation and then to work together to prevent those situation from recurring.
Homecoming 10/6/2008 12:00:22 PM
There are people coming back to South Africa. But here's some interesting facts. In 2007 over 40,000 Britons left the UK for other countries. During the same time nearly 200,000 Australians left Australia. In 2007 32,000 South Africans left of which 8,000 have returned. These figures are available for those that actually research fact before claiming it as such.
werner 10/6/2008 12:00:36 PM
Gr8 article. I have moved to Finland. My reasons though, differ a bit to most other people. I have moved here to start working for a major cellphone company and to learn as much about my work as possible. In SA my chances of getting opportunities to learn was minimal due to BEE. I have nothing against the BEE policy, since equality need to be reached somehow, but I do NOT agree with the manner in which it is being implemented. I hope to bring my skills back to SA in a couple of years!!!!!
archie coull 10/6/2008 12:01:36 PM
like all the comments, but i say no matter where you go you will find caus to moan but itsup to you youself not to look at problems but to face them with a true outlook, come on folks face up to life in its true sense arccie ec ct now uk
Weskus Klong 10/6/2008 12:01:42 PM
Yes, almost every one wants to leave now, including me. But London??? Believe me, from experience I can tell it is not the answer. It really is just as bad there. Maybe not crime, but the lifestyle there isn't that great. But yes, years ago the Pommies invaded SA and took over in the end, and it seems the tables are turning now. Bit by bit we are invading them and slowly but surely taking over, even there cricket captain is a South African all ready.
Andy 10/6/2008 12:02:20 PM
There are many white South Africans that share this view. Thousands have come back and have decided to stay in SA. Also, get involved in a few charities and you'll see how many white faces work tirelessly to make this a better place. check out : http://www.homecomingrevolution.co.za/
Sonny 10/6/2008 12:03:29 PM
My two sons emigrated to Auckland NZ in 2004 mainly because of crime and not finding employment. They are both cricket coaches and have found good employment. They are not racist, do not trash SA. If you want to leave don't take your baggage with you. In NZ all people are equal from a cleaner to the PM. You have to be well off to have a housekeeper or gardener, so you have to do all things yourself. I will never leave, but to those who want to: Leave your baggage behind
aus bound 10/6/2008 12:04:08 PM
I personally am off to Australia in 3 months,and it has nothing to do with race. My family,wife and two year old,were badly affected by violent crime.....and thats the ONLY reason.
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 12:04:15 PM
No, but it may let you live longer without being the victim of rape/theft/corruption, etc. The only reason why I stay is because I believe that once the stupidity of our government has finally imploded upon itself there needs to be non-racist, intelligent and hard-working people around who will pick up the pieces and rebuild.
Mart 10/6/2008 12:04:45 PM
Daniel, crime is the biggest reason for people imigrating! And to Moron Hero Nakamura, yes it's all crime just goes to show you how bad it is. Now, please lable me a racist so i also have a reason to imigrate!!!!
Anon 10/6/2008 12:05:05 PM
To start with I am no racist. I am proudly South African and proud to have been brought up in this beautiful country. I know every country has their pro's and con's, but does every country have all the con's of South Africa? We have them all, high crime rate, racism, inequality, AIDS...the list is endless. I am in my twenties and feel that in this stage in my life I am tired of living in fear everyday, and being white, I am tired of thinking I can climb up any corporate ladder. Time for a change!
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 12:05:14 PM
No, but it may let you live longer without being the victim of rape/theft/corruption, etc. The only reason why I stay is because I believe that once the stupidity of our government has finally imploded upon itself there needs to be non-racist, intelligent and hard-working people around who will pick up the pieces and rebuild.
Neville Howard 10/6/2008 12:05:48 PM
Daniel, From your letter I can safely presume that all your conclusions are based on heresay, stats, and possibly what you read on the internet. I don't believe that you've been outside of South Africa. Ever. I live in Australia, a better life, a better job, paying more money, 50 meters from the beach (With my doors unlocked), and I possibly have more non white friends now than I did back in South Africa. Just keep digging your little hole and make yourself feel better.
Joe 10/6/2008 12:06:02 PM
Have you actually been to London before or which London are you talking about, I spent a few months in London UK last year and from what I can tell you is that I meet quite a few Black South African , but then again maybe you are the racist who doesn?t socialize with blacks.
KUMZA 10/6/2008 12:06:21 PM
What you njust said is brave, and to be honest the racism facet of migrating I was unaware of. I recently had a racist incident and It was a British dude pepetrating it. But thats not the point putting race into everything we do as South Africans holds us back.
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 12:06:32 PM
No, but it may let you live longer without being the victim of rape/theft/corruption, etc. The only reason why I stay is because I believe that once the stupidity of our government has finally imploded upon itself there needs to be non-racist, intelligent and hard-working people around who will pick up the pieces and rebuild.
tiekies 10/6/2008 12:06:35 PM
Crime , crime, crime , crime , crime ,, Oh and Crime , yes ,,, Thats the reason why people leave , not because they racist , are you on glue ?
george the turk 10/6/2008 12:07:25 PM
wake up my friend your coffee is getting cold.what world are u living in
JeffreyB 10/6/2008 12:07:48 PM
You are out of your tree. Religion and race are your own obsession and motivations. Remember that when you point your fingers there are 3 pointing back at you. Stick to what you know, your own mind, and stop trying to be psychic over everyone else in the universe.
Puhleez 10/6/2008 12:07:58 PM
Dan, what makes you think that, because you and I are both white, that we have emigrated for the same reasons? Do you think all whites think with one mind? Please man, you have allowed the theories of Nats and the Nazis to get far too close to your heart. Agreed, you are a self-confessed racist. But please, you and I have nothing in common except our skin colour, so do NOT make your issues mine!
happysaffakiwi 10/6/2008 12:08:18 PM
Shame. I feel sorry for you Mr. Roberts. Here you are finding racism to be the reason that so many people have left the country - when in fact South Africa is likely to be one of the most racist countries in the world. YOu people are completely and utterly obsessed with race. It's so crazy and it would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad that a country where racsism has caused so much pain and bloodshed absolutely and determinedly refuses to let go of talking about race. Rainbow nation se voet.
Mart 10/6/2008 12:08:26 PM
and what view will that be?? Please enlighten me, the Utopia bit??? Please, get an education. Out of control crime, corruption, infrastructere failure..... YES THATS A TRUE UTOPIA
Penny 10/6/2008 12:09:00 PM
I dont want to go to the UK... BUT my main reasons for immigration would be the weather. I hate South Africa's horrible always-summer weather (with a passion) and my skin gets all blistered in summer. Sadly, its so difficult for me to immigrate now that the cooler climate'd countries are so flooded with ex-S.africans. *sigh*
Gus 10/6/2008 12:09:08 PM
Spot on ! What you said is the bottom line. Sentiment should never outweigh the unfortunate sad truth that SA finds itself in.
Andrew 10/6/2008 12:11:33 PM
in this country as a young white male. I do not have a trust fund or wealthy parents. At the end of matric my parents said sorry son there is no money for university you are on your own. Everything i have today I fought and worked for, every month tax is deducted from me, and then I get told because you are white you maynot purchase vodacom and sasol shares, what rubbish, current policies are growing a new generation of racists, black and white.
Richard Hipkin 10/6/2008 12:12:19 PM
I had another friend murdered on Saturday. That makes 5 this year. Do I think of emigrating, hell yes all the time!! There is no other reason to emigrate other then crime, that is the only reason I would leave.
HT 10/6/2008 12:14:34 PM
Remember, you mostly hear about that which is not the norm. There are really more non-racist whites than you think. You just hear more from the racists because they do extreme things that is news worthy.
WMH 10/6/2008 12:15:04 PM
Have you people got nothing else to do than sit and insult each other here, how boring are you all? If some one wants to go, let them, if they want to stay, let them. If they want to leave then come back, let them. What is the big problem actually? And besides who are you all to judge them? It's there lives, if they feel the oppertunities and sitsuation there is better, let them go!!! Your idiotic mouning wont keep them here, give it a break all ready. Besides, who cares what the reason is?
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 12:15:39 PM
Again, another paragraph of drivel from the likes of the Cape Town Kid. Do I need to be a MXiT 'regular' for me to understand anything she says? She also complains about the 'whingers' in our society, but without them her and her MXiT posse will surely implode as they will just go on accepting the crime, racism and corruption in our country until they all drown in it...
Dup... 10/6/2008 12:16:49 PM
No way our beloved Country will ever be a "UTOPIA"...... Just look accross the borders at the "BREAD BASKET" of Africa... Well that is where we are heading.. Our infra structure is on the brink of collapse and that is where it all starts and I Challenge anyone to prove me wrong.. This has got nothing to do with RACISM... It is all about POWER
Mark T 10/6/2008 12:17:11 PM
Crime, poor education standards, lack of job opportunities etc are behind people leaving. I am not gainst people leaving- but they should not insult SA when they have gone. As for the article- there could have been a better choice.
Rix 10/6/2008 12:17:46 PM
I'm a proud white South African female, but heck, does it matter what colour I am? If I ever decide to emigrate to another country for whatever reason (e.g crime!!!) it would be Finland. Fact is, people emigrate - even to SA - so if you think of emigrating - keep your options open. I'd rather experience other countries than stay in one country and possibly get killed by a bullet not meant for me. You are on earth for a reason, make it work!
expatuae 10/6/2008 12:18:02 PM
I simply got tired of the alarms, electric fence and Ubuntu Security Guards... and terrified kids with every episode. We miss home but enjoy the safe environment. The racism is rife, but not institutionalised and ingrained into everything that happens daily. I stopped slagging off the country a long time ago, just wishing they'd get it right. My decision to leave was selfish - but then again, who else was gonna fend for my kids??? Not all of us are negative and condescending!!
James 10/6/2008 12:18:59 PM
Could the people reading these forums please ignore Kolobe. Empty vessels make the most noise. He is most certainly one of them......
SH 10/6/2008 12:19:57 PM
This is surely one of the most inaccurate, unsubstantiated articles. Myriads of surveys will tell you that crime is the single biggest reason that people emigrate, together with the fact that there seems to be no intention of dealing with that issue. It seems as if you wanted to be a hero by suggesting that racism is the cause of emigration. Thanks for an inaccurate assumption with no supported facts.
Badger 10/6/2008 12:20:30 PM
..there is RCTtzm worldwide. I hate the crime in this country, but I'm hoping the new ledership is going to do something about it. I'm not going anywhere. Just ystrdy my wife and I had a lovely braai and my daughter swam, the weather was fantastic......what more do I want ????? maybe do something about that guy spending millions on crap. CB last night
Jacques 10/6/2008 12:21:08 PM
A very narrow minded article! "Let's forget about those who have abandoned our country..." People have the right to want a better lifestyle if it can be found elsewhere! For you to say something like this just shows your ignorance! Clearly no-one in your family has been raped or murdered or been a victim of some senseless violence.
veritas 10/6/2008 12:23:08 PM
On the scale of political correctness.
-ocin- 10/6/2008 12:23:16 PM
...i can't get a Zuma t-shirt! I'm no rasict... never have been, never will be. But this goverment and crimerate is pushing the limits. Most of the time someone drives like Stevie Wonder...it's a black person. Most of the time someone was brutally raped and murdered...it's a black person. Most of the time a goverment official makes a fool of our country...it's a black person. Then again...most of our country is black. Therefor we might say it's in porportion.
Danny 10/6/2008 12:23:18 PM
I left because i earn more money , not race , not violence , but it is noce not to have it around wake Daniel not every one is obssesed with pointing out what a great new South African they are some just want to make money mate simple
hopeful? 10/6/2008 12:23:43 PM
ever since 94 i've been filling in forms as a 'white african' rather than caucasian. because thats what i am. i have hope for this country.
JB 10/6/2008 12:24:52 PM
LvH, Kolobe and Daniel. Dream on and good luck with building the next Zim. Just remember you can't go further south than where you are at the moment. Maybe Antartica? Enjoy!
Pietie 10/6/2008 12:25:55 PM
Three families I know emigrated in the last year two of which were black? now tell me, do you think they left because they were racist? they are my friends and yes i am white? PS. as a side note the final straw for lebo to leave was when she was shot and survived for her cell phone...
martin 10/6/2008 12:25:55 PM
Where have you been living all your life before the so called democracy, with your head in the sand, pre 1994, the Dollar Rand Exchange rate were 1 to 1 you idiot, not 8.50 to 1. Get your figures straight.
Ons Kan 10/6/2008 12:27:06 PM
There are no one reason why people emigrate, there are many!! You, tend to think white people are racist, but be specific man. Which white people?? I tend to think Afrikaners are not racist at all yet! Waite till our numbers drop below a million, then you will see reactionaries, honor killings and the works; we are going to be truly fantastic!!
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 12:28:32 PM
Okay here are my reasons for whites who leave: 1) The racist policies of BEE and AA as well as the general racist attitudes of some black people who feel the only need to rectify the wrongs of the past is to 'get back' at the white man. 2) Crime - probably the biggest motivator. 3) Economic wellbeing. I believe these three factors are the main contributors as to why white people leave this country.
J Roberts 10/6/2008 12:29:33 PM
Why did you go to the UK? Speak for yourself my friend! Try and understand what you are saying and implying as garbage like this is what is cause for the delay in reconcilation. So how about my leaving because your family have been abused indignently, humiliated & finally after 5 hours slaughtered. Pse don't call the race card, but rather admit you are in denial. Idiot!
John Comyn 10/6/2008 12:29:41 PM
I would say money plays a huge role. There is a skills shortage world wide and people are being offered huge packages. Many go with a view to accumalting money and returning home. Crime is next. If you feel safe when you go to bed you are lucky. If you have young kids and do not fret for their safety you are extremely lucky. Racism is world wide & not confined to SA. Believe it!
Len van Heerden 10/6/2008 12:30:26 PM
So, the services were better when you moved from the UK in 1992? Please tell me where and I will sell you your own used socks. Perhaps you expected something different, or are someone who simply takes no responsibility and floats around looking for Utopia. do we really need people like you?
LvH 10/6/2008 12:32:56 PM
Disagree with you that the economy is the only thing that has improved. A whole lot more people now have homes, have access to running water and have access to electricity and safe toilets. Crime situation is indeed problematic, but still no worse than it was under apartheid. Poverty is better than before. Let's use facts, rather than perceptions
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 10/6/2008 12:35:24 PM
You are INCORRECT. Mostly due to violent crime, are people leaving in droves. Murder is driving people out, but, you DARE call those fleeing for their lives RACIST?! Let the next person who calls a white immigrant RACIST, say it to my face. My email addie is included.
Mr.E 10/6/2008 12:38:50 PM
Yes i am a racist. No apology about it. I would not like my daugter to marry a person from any other culture but my own. Therefore i am a racist.So i prefer my own culture.Therefore racism keep me in South Africa because i cant stand Australian american or brittish culture.
Chantelle 10/6/2008 12:39:04 PM
I'm leaving SA soon. NOT because of crime (surprisingly), not because of racism. But purely because I've been offered an amazing opportunity to serve my God. Yes I can serve Him anywhere, but not this way, not with several courses thrown in, an opportunity to travel, see the whole world, and tell people about my Heavenly Daddy. So Kolobe, and others, there are MANY different reasons why people of all races leave SA. And you should really stop with your racist thinking that race makes a person.
fedup 10/6/2008 12:40:34 PM
GO!!!!
Vicky 10/6/2008 12:41:27 PM
do not try to infridge on others freedoms (movement/choice), we chose to leave to improve our economic prospects and gain int'l business experience. It also is a huge relief to know that one can wear a mini skirt or a pants without being harassed or having their clothes torn off them by the ppl who think they can impose their bigoted cultures on women. I can travel (public trans) day and night w/out fear of being raped, I can use my laptop and mobile everywhere without fear of being mugged.
AJ 10/6/2008 12:44:04 PM
When I see how people lieaving are labelled, and people overseas who comment on local web sites are verablly attacked, it really drives home ho choildish a lot of South Africans are, petty, jealous. and very often just plain clueless. We could all take a leaf from the book of many other nations, because 'we ain't all that, believe me.'.
The Anti Bunny 10/6/2008 12:44:41 PM
lol... Pommies "invading" SA... us "pommies" were asked to come to SA by the SA government to fill skills shortages in SA... yes SA is a beautiful place to live BUT every ex Saffer I know that's living in the UK or in Europe have told me that they lifestyle is FAR better than in SA and that they will NEVER return. YOU are confusing London with England again. I agree, London is a Crap place to live! P.S. Kevin Pietersens mother is a born and bred Englishwoman, which makes KP half SA/Half English
GT 10/6/2008 12:45:52 PM
In reply to Paul's response to Kolobe, I think the point is simply that Kolobe probably does see the deterioration all around him, but unfortunately, like so many others in Africa, they would prefer to ignore this and continue to put the "so-called" leaders on a pedestal. Its unfortunately Africa's way that everything gets dragged down to the lowest denominator. Think health, education, infrastructure (Eskom), roads and legal, whilst the "ruling party" never gets held accountable!
tshepo 10/6/2008 12:46:33 PM
and spot on.
francois 10/6/2008 12:47:51 PM
think the problem is your family ( all being racist ) my friends are leaving because they can't find work here. sure a lot of south africans in uk would love to work/live here but have no choice because of problems here.
Gareth Stott 10/6/2008 12:49:16 PM
I love South Africa, and yes, without crime and many other things, it would be Utopia. I do not believe people who emigrate abandon their country, I would rather say the country has let many hard working people down. What about someone who wants to study medicine, but with 6 A's and numerous sports, culture etc awards, can't get in because he is white and the number of white males allowed is ridiculously small? Is it wrong of such a person to leave so that he may pursue his dreams?
Clayton 10/6/2008 12:49:35 PM
This debate could rage for ages. If people leave, they leave. They clearly have their own reasons for it. I detest racism yet I find it in every corner, be it from black or white. I wish people would hate me because I am smarter than them, not because I am white. Then maybe I wouldn't feel like moving to a country where the government can say 3 syllable words...
jackey 10/6/2008 12:52:48 PM
Hope your family remains there...The reason most leave is because of FEAR..You here stupid comments about leaving because of JZ..how pathetic!For those who have racist that has left SA, We hope to see you in 2010 and just see how much this country has developed under a black goverment....they should enjoy their stay ,watch the world cup and ......leave !!We as a nation can move forward and we dont need people like that 2 bring us down coz we certainly not mad or insane for choosing to stay..... .
Deano 10/6/2008 12:55:01 PM
My wife and I have been in the UK for 3 and a half years now. We moved because we are both in the hospitallity industry and it just wasnt paying (even though the industry is HUGE in SA). We moved here to increase our capital so that we could move back to SA and start our own business some day. Maybe you should get off your high horse and realise that not everything is racially motivated.
Nada 10/6/2008 12:55:41 PM
to come across a white man who is honest about his racist roots and the deep hatred for black people by his own. My brother, I would stand beside you anyday to rebuild this country. You have my support and admiration. Positive change comes after admitting that there is something negative that needs to change. Hola Daniel!!!!
need to take a dump 10/6/2008 12:58:26 PM
PLEASE TELL ME WHICH SCHOOL TAUGHT YOU TO SPELL GOVERMENT as GOVERMUNT. I AM A NUT WITH SPELLING AND I SEE THE WORD MISPELT TIME AND TIME AGAIN ON THIS SITE.
TS 10/6/2008 12:58:27 PM
I liked it. I am also thinking about emmigrating but I will miss so much here like the greater understanding South Africans generally have for other religions and races. Definitely not considering the UK as an emigration destination tho...
Vicky 10/6/2008 1:00:50 PM
to assign racism label on white SAns olny. There are many black SAns who have become even more racist infact they make apartheid regime look like a child's play. BTW did we necklace/burn down homes of the immigrants recently? It's high time that we each ackowledge that we are to a certain extent guilty of being prejudice against others. And racism is not a SAn domain its a global problem!
colin 10/6/2008 1:01:26 PM
I will never leave this country I was borne here and this is my roots are - no criminal or racist will ever deprive me the right to be a part of this beautiful country. South Africa in general have always been a violent country even before it was discovered by the Europeans and with the arrival of the Europeans the level of violence and crimes escalated to levels were certain groups were killed to near extinction as they were hunted like animals - what is contradictory today is that the same Europeans who enriched themselves through theft murder and genocide wants to use crime as a reason to migrate back to there homelands in Europe.
PFS in UK 10/6/2008 1:01:45 PM
I've been here in London for more than 3 years. Did not come due to politics, race or crime. Followed work and opportunity. Will my children have the same in SA? Nope, daughter will have to watch her back eevn more at Varsity, son will not be allowed anything, need to stand in line but at the back. I lived in African country before the UK for same reasons, so do not call me racist, rather realist. Would i go back to country I love? Not with current situation seeming to go backwards every day.
Q 10/6/2008 1:01:48 PM
Daniel, Your ability to make profound sweeping statements based on a very narrow observation Your complete lack of insight into the degeneration of social order. Your refusal to acknowledge the government?s failure in almost every aspect of governance, from downright criminal activity to complete nonperformance. Your resorting to the (now very tired) race card when all else fails ? How pathetic You are right, people like should stay in SA ? In fact you should apply to become a member of the National Executive Committee. You certainly qualify.
Nemesis 10/6/2008 1:04:04 PM
Will you please stop talking about immegrating to UK as if London is the only city here!!!For goodness sake man, we expats are getting sick and tired of it! There are hundreds of cities and towns in UK. I for one, live in a little village in the farmlands of Essex. Safest place, not only in UK but in the world! NEVER going back mate!!!!
henry 10/6/2008 1:05:48 PM
The reason the English are getting fed up with immigrants is because very few of them respect the English customs and make absolutley no effort to intergrate. To use your example of muslims, why move to the uk and demand sharia law and wear burkhas? Just stay in a muslim country! But then they wouldnt be able to TAKE ADVANTAGE of the world class benefit system. These people have no emotional attachment to the country and will be the first to leave once the country has been bled dry.
JB 10/6/2008 1:06:19 PM
I can't believe this crap. You have just painted everyone with your big red brush. Generalisations like this are ignorant, offensive and completely unhelpful. I left South Africa to see the world and to travel. Perhaps you need just that - a more wordly view of things. Maybe then you'd drop your insecurities and your issues.
Matrix 10/6/2008 1:10:21 PM
My 1st priority is to ensure the safety of my family. Have experienced seven serious criminal incidents since 1994 that threatend their safety. Financial loss, emotional / fear, etc. Also Service delivery & BEE / AA (racial exploitation) Policies had serious neg. effect on my business. Building a better future for my children is now my priority. Not in SA. Enough is enough.
Paul aka communist Montele 10/6/2008 1:10:48 PM
My comment is simple and i have been saying this for quite some time now, those who want to leave pack your bags and go and don't come back. The funny part is you don't even sound like the English and AUS and they can hear you guys quickly and they don't like you cause they know that you guys are racist and you are going to bring your racist mentality to their countries.
yaya 10/6/2008 1:11:21 PM
All I can add to your comments Daniel is that many Saffas who emigrate find something to complain about in their respective countries. Listening to them, you'd be hard pressed to believe that these are the same people who couldn't wait to leave SA. I'm currently abroad & I left SA coz I wanted to see what it's really like to live abroad. I love my home country & speak realistically about it, both the good and the bad.
Cynical 10/6/2008 1:13:06 PM
"I am ashamed to say that most of my family is racist" . Oh boo hoo cry me a fricking river Daniel. AA/EE/BEE/discriminatory university entrance requirements/Sasol issuing shares to Blacks....all of those are also racist but I suppose that's all OK in your books. By the way I also lived in the UK in the not-too-distant past and found it to be nothing like the far-fetched rubbish that you have described. I made good money there and it was good for my career.
Natasha 10/6/2008 1:13:55 PM
You need to get over the whole colour thing... I mean really now... And guess what, when you leave SA you get black, white and all types of people everywhere else. So to even consider race a reason for people leaving the country is ridiculous, we've moved on since then. For people to leave for private, financial and safety reasons is their business. Don't blame everything that goes wrong in SA on race! Lets get over it already...
RupDog 10/6/2008 1:14:22 PM
I left the country 8 years ago. All I want to do these days is go back. I really miss my country very much. Even with all the trouble in SA. I am planning my return in the near future. I would say to others considering leaving. Go for it. But just remember never say you will never come back to you home. And never play SA down. We have a great country and we should be proud.
Dries 10/6/2008 1:14:23 PM
I see you repeated your post, why do you repeat that nonsense, idiot? BTW level of crime, type of crime (especially violent crimes where victims are women and the elderly) and law enforcement are in fact three issues.
Womble 10/6/2008 1:16:20 PM
Patriotic "Please dont leave" propoganda designed to prey on the conscious of the prudent. The reasons for emmigration are: 1. Violent Crime 2. Ineffective policing 3. Ineffective goverment 4. Corruption 5. BEE - Afrimative Action 6. Poor delivery of public services Its not abandonment - its self preservation. Oh yes and not being a racist - does that mean you are excluded from taking a bullet in the head for a cell phone or having your daughter raped?
infoguru 10/6/2008 1:18:23 PM
When the going gets tough those that can?t make it leave. I have been the victim of crime, but I am not willing to give up what I worked for. This whitey is staying and I will build a better future, no matter what the politicians do. There were successful black people in the 80?s, why can?t I do it no matter what the policies. Shaka did not quit. Oom Paul did not quit. Why should I?
Louis 10/6/2008 1:18:26 PM
There are those who believe that we can make a difference and those who believe otherwise. Some of those who believe we can't have left and in my opinion we now have fewer compulsive complainers to listen to. To believe that things can not change for the better is fatalistic, you might as well die right now. I, for one, am not interested in any complaints. We have a lot of work to do. Join a group of people who are making things happen, start your own, or come up with better ideas.
ShRoOm 10/6/2008 1:18:37 PM
Who cares anyways? I mean really people! People are ALLOWED to come and go into and from this country as they see fit - people from all races! What does it matter what THEIR reasons were? And even if they were/are racist - again, who cares? THEY HAVE ALREADY LEFT! South Africans need to stop blaming race for everything and start doing something constructive against CRIME, HIV/AIDS, UNEMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION, etc. Blaming your problems on people who have left and apartheid is just stupid!
mkize 10/6/2008 1:19:29 PM
who are still packing for Perth. I am shocked that you are still around. You all told us that you were packing in 2003 and you are still here. wena wena you dont know what you want.
UkD 10/6/2008 1:19:37 PM
I left SA 3 years ago and haven't looked back. To all those who are happy to see the back of people like me? Think about what you are saying! SA taxpayers funded my education and they won't see a cent in return. I will never pay income tax in SA and I will never have savings in SA banks. Now think about the hundreds of thousands of people like me that have left. It's the educated, relatively well heeled South Africans that leave and as they go they kill off SA?s chances of future economic success.
g-krag 10/6/2008 1:19:57 PM
I actually did the overseas thing. Not because of crime, not because of BEE, not because of the ANC, but I wanted to go see the world. And most of my friends in London (South African or not) were there for the same reason. It is an opportunity to earn Pounds and go do things you would never be able to do form South Africa (because of our weak currency and distance away from most other countries). And now we are back, and I will stay here untill the bug gets me again.
ps 10/6/2008 1:20:16 PM
There are other places besides the UK. Besides this - many people r willing to give up space, the lovely weather and countryside, so they can sleep at night. Everyone reserves that right. Besides - what will actually be done about crime.there are only excuses "its all due to unemployment" etc. Funny how china, India and numerous other countries with high poverty dont have near to the same levels of violence.
Natasha 10/6/2008 1:24:28 PM
Well, not all expats are negative about the country you twit... I am an expat living in a Muslim country and I love and embrace diversity every chance I get. And I jump at every opportunity to brag about our country and how I go home as often as i can to the country i love and i still consider home. Having said that, yes life is safer and easier here with the world to travel at my finger tips, so sue me for taking advantage?
andre 10/6/2008 1:25:58 PM
To the writer of this letter.... have you ever been woken up in the middle of the night by screams of a rape victim less than 10 metres away from your bedroom window? Have you ever seen what these criminals do to their victims? I've had this traumatic event burnt into my brain. And I will not be part of a society where violence is as part of the culture as braaivleis.
Ryan 10/6/2008 1:27:42 PM
i am leaving because i have been a victim of violent crime i do not feel safe anymore, i would not consider myself racist at all i just refuse for my son to go through what my wife and i went through, you only have this one life, live it wherever in the world you will feel happy and safe, and unfortunately for me that is not SA.
@ The Anti Bunny 10/6/2008 1:27:58 PM
With regards to crime and safety (and relating issues) it is better that side. But once you lived in SA and you are use to the culture etc. here that place is really crappy to you! I've been all around there, and though people are happy there RSA people use to the SA way of live DON'T like it there (most of them at least). O ja, and I'm not talking about KP's mother, I'm talking about him. He was born and bread here so he is a South African.
Red Baron 10/6/2008 1:28:22 PM
on how it is only the white SA'ns that have issues like the ones mentioned. But don't forget to mention what the ANCYL is screeming for, or how crime has affected millions (black, brown, pink, yellow, white, blue...all of us! And the many other issues that are threatning all things good in SA! Go speak to the other cultures in the UK, Netherlands, India, UAE, Quatar and hear what they have to say....they left their countries for a BETTER LIFE. Can the ANC give the same?
GA 10/6/2008 1:33:42 PM
Daniel, you assume it is easy to leave behind your family, lifelong friends and way of life to live in cold, wet and small England. It is the way of the modern world and not only an exclusively S. African phenomenon for people to seek out work, safety, etc - whatever drives them. How dare you assume they are racists for reacting to their environment. Man has been migratory since time began.
gummibear 10/6/2008 1:33:52 PM
Let them leave. I've been a victim of violence, my family has been victimised. But we are still here. Looking after our dear families. Go seek your wealth, you traitors. I agree completely with your statement. LEAVING SOUTH AFRICA WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER PERSON OR PROVIDE YOU WITH A BETTER LIFESTYLE. IT WILL ONLY GIVE YOU SOMETHING ELSE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
Pieter 10/6/2008 1:34:31 PM
I Stayed in the us from 2000 until 2004 , I was young enjoyed every minute , and came back because I missed SA too Much. I am married now and got a lovely baby girl , I am now really considering going back. I love them more than SA
VG 10/6/2008 1:34:57 PM
First you sya that racism is not the only reason people leave and then you proceed to compile a top ten list made up almost entirely of racial factors! honestly you're the prime example of what Daniel is talking about.
Camel Man 10/6/2008 1:35:39 PM
I will unfortunately not be leaving SA. My family have all gone, but I love this place. I have been a victim of crime, but got on with my life. I am just more caucious now.I am self employed,and make the most of it. Sure,I'd like to experience another culture, but when Im having a cold Castle watching the sun set and nibbling on a piece of Biltong, I just gotta love Africa. Yes Im white by the way.
Michael 10/6/2008 1:35:44 PM
Whatever reasons people use to leave SA... Grant them that wish. I left and I am no longer refering to SA as my home. My home is here. Here where no pink, purple, black or white person has burgled my house, unlike back home. Here, people get convicted for crimes. People respect, not only the law, but other people. I'm not being discriminated against when I apply for a job. I have electricity & water. If that is suffering, fine. Let me suffer. Enjoy it in SA if you choose to stay. Best Wishes.

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