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GREAT!
06/10/2008 11:20
Well said Daniel, but now beware of all the aggressive comments about to flood this site - I also think SA would be utopia without crime, but ALSO without poverty, racism, AIDS, and Manto. Lets continue to rebuild this great nation! - Charli |
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People Leaving SA
06/10/2008 11:23
I just want to know if the writer has been a victim of violent crime and if his salary is a nice cozy one, because that is why most of us are leaving. - Anon |
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Thank you for this!!
06/10/2008 11:24
I have been saying this all along. But we should be careful not to generalise in absolute terms. We should also respect the reasons why some people emigrate. However, having lived abroad for some time I am 100% convinced that the majority of ex-South Africans that thrive on lambasting SA have got racial issues. Somehow they try to convince us in SA that we are the idiots and that living on that mud-island is the best choice they could have ever made. I feel sorry for them... - witseun |
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Good Riddance
06/10/2008 11:24
We said before and we shall repeat, good riddance to those that have left, the country is ridding itself of rascists,we are not going to chain people to this country, we are not shocked that those that decided to leave have recently being coming back in numbers. - Kolobe |
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Spend more time working on your racist family
06/10/2008 11:24
People leave SA for other reasons than racism you twat! They leave due to (1) crime (2) JZ and his following (3) affirmative action (4) BBBEE (5) Escom crisis (6) water crisis (7) corruption (8) health crisis (9) 12 % conviction rate on murders (10) SA rape capitol of the world... - Dries |
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Holier than Thou
06/10/2008 11:25
So, what exaclty are YOU doing in the UK? Moaning, just like all the other WHINGERS. GAL, bro. - Zee |
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Is there honestly nothing else to publish?
06/10/2008 11:25
Some of the articles in the 'rant your our letter' forum are boring, but well written. Some are controversial and poorly written. But there is surely no excuse to publish a boring poorly written article with no substance. This is not a dig at Daniel, as it is not his fault. But rather the editor. - Tim |
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Another bout of generalisation...
06/10/2008 11:26
Most of the people I know that left this beautiful country did not want to leave but felt they needed to. Crime was the number one reason when asked, and most of them are afraid for the futures of their families. If you can't tolerate crime and are concerned for the wellbeing of your family it does not make you a racist - generalising about people you don't know and branding them racist just because they had the guts and common sense to leave is! - ShRoOm |
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It's DaTruth!
06/10/2008 11:27
As much as certain bloggers would loike to make out that it is only the SA whities that are racist it is not.It is a worldwide phenomenon to dislike/distrust that which does not share common bonds with regard to ethnicity or religion. Only in SA is this a crime worse than murder. - fuzzy |
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Idealist and Optomist
06/10/2008 11:28
A very inspiring letter. Well done, I'm in!! Who else will be prepared to jump on the bandwagon? - Shay |
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2 sides to the story
06/10/2008 11:29
I'll agree with you that there's a lot of racism, but not only from whites. Some politicians make white people in SA feel about as welcome as a Nazi in
Israel. Transformation, BEE etc. may be necessary, but I still think it should be done with sensitivity to all races. Whites are just as African as anyone else born and bred in this country. - Chris |
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@ Daniel
06/10/2008 11:29
I think crime is the no. one enemy that is gripping fear into this nation other than religion or race that makes one to leave. - BALA BOY |
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Spot on!
06/10/2008 11:30
I couldn't agree more! I have no problem with people leaving this country, but do have a problem with ex-pats continually trashing SA, trying to justify their reasons for leaving, when the main reason is most probably their hatred/fear for people of a darker coloured skin. Can't wait to see what their response is to this letter. - Proud African |
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Racism
06/10/2008 11:31
"Let's forget about those who have abandoned our country." What a load of baloney - your family should stay close to your heart no matter where they are living. Why do you feel the need to put yourself up on a pedastal just because you chose not to emigrate? I believe your comments are flawed as nobody would leave their homeland based on race issues alone. There are always other factors that motivate - it is those issues we should be concentrating on INSTEAD of blaming racism! - ShRoOm |
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Thank you Daniel
06/10/2008 11:32
I have to say a well written article..and I am sorry about your family...I guess you ar ethe black sheep of the family..LOL...Maybe those who have left will realise that not only SA has problems of Cultural differences..crime...etc..we might be suffering a bt more than others, but still same issues, for all you know even white africans are being treated badly in those countries. - Dan |
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What about violent crime
06/10/2008 11:32
I can see why people steal food out of desperation, but what about violent crime such as rape and murder? 'researchers' attribute this to 'poverty' but the politically incorrect truth clearly shows that genetics play a significant role in this. - Juan |
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Cheers Dan
06/10/2008 11:32
I concur with your well written letter. Crime in South Africa affects mostly the poor who live in areas where there are gangsters. London or other 1st world countries, rather the people from areas affected by the same crime you find in a place like London. It was Londoners who rebuilt their country after WWII instead of running to other countries & expecting those left behind to correct the problems. The sooner we admit that we are not always motivated by selfless motives, the better. - LvH |
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get off ya horse
06/10/2008 11:33
why do white people always get painted with the same brush? even by their fellow whitie? Guaranteed the fact that most people leave this country is not because they are inherently racist, it's because of a useless government and a high crime rate that cause people of all colours to leave.. not all people who are white and emmigrate are racist.. most are afraid.. - jiles |
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UK vs. London
06/10/2008 11:33
Firstly, why do most South Africans equate England with London??? There are other cities and towns... and you don't have to live in Manchester or Liverpool either... I am returing to the UK(after having lived here for 20 years) and I'm going to live in Norwich. Countryside and "the broads" down the road. My reasons for leaving are NOT racist. There are many people of ither races in the UK! the major 3 reasons I am leaving SA are. 1.) The political Climate 2.) Violent Crime 3.) AA.. no jobs here! - The Anti Bunny |
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HUH?!
06/10/2008 11:33
Daniel? Cheezzzz!!! I find that some people always assume theres some nasty mean spirited intention behind others actions. I will admit I know some racists. They are the first who will refuse to immigrate. I personally (and I know that was the case for some of my friends who now live in Aus) will only immigrate to escape the violence in SA. Other cultures in SA really do not affect me. You made a very bad impression with your article. - HT |
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Want to be Patriotic, but not prepared to be Idiotic
06/10/2008 11:33
The culture divide is a greater issue than pure skin colour. Corruption and rogue elements advocating the demise of SA, if they don't get their way, are also factors considered by those emigrating. Most people just want to live in a 1st world country, something SA seems to be moving away from, rather than towards.While the future looks good on one hand, it looks pretty bleak overall. Should I stay or go?? - SeanO |
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The reason for emigrating
06/10/2008 11:34
Great column, i think that with a positive out look on our country and peolpe looking to make a difference we can show the world that SA is great people that complain and moan the whole time make me physically sick. Forget the trators forget the racist and the people looking to make the difference should come together and make SA a wolrd leader
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Not qualified or too poor to go
06/10/2008 11:34
So you couldn?t get in, is that it? Sorry about that, good-bye and good luck on rebuilding the nation. - ghost |
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Good on you
06/10/2008 11:34
Bravo and well said. As a White South African, I am not going anywhere no matter how hard I am pushed. - Hansie |
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Not so
06/10/2008 11:35
I am considering leaving South Africa and it has nothing to do with racism - in fact, I have spent most of my career training others in diversity, non-racism and nation building, but now I've had enough. I feel I have to leave because of crime and crime alone- I want to be able to drive down a highway at night without being hijacked. I want my children to be able to ride their bicycles in the park without getting robbed. And no - I'm not going to London as it is no safer. - Kaz |
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This is why I don't always enjoy visiting the UK.
06/10/2008 11:35
The one thing London gives white South Africans is the opportunity to be slacker/stoner barmen and still hop over to Europe twice a year. Or the Wimbledon hair-dresser. The Saffas really are peasants.
But, then there are the banking/corporate types. But these are few and far between. - Ryan Matthews |
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News24, is this really the best you can find to publish?
06/10/2008 11:37
I read and re-read this letter trying to understand why it was published. The author gives no clues as what experience of London he as drawn on, gives us skewed (and rather random) perspectives on what South Africans in the UK are thinking, views that are tainted with obvious prejudice. He then concludes that all south africans are racist, and pays the obligatory lip service to SA 2010. All this written in the style of a Grade 3 pupil. News24, what is your problem with London? - Livin' in the UK |
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Song by Ozzy Ozbourne.....
06/10/2008 11:37
"I'm just a Dreamer........"
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Great article
06/10/2008 11:37
Good article Daniel . Lets look at positive ways of making our South Africa a haven to live in. I am proudly South Africa and looking forward to 2010. - anwar |
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Wowwww
06/10/2008 11:37
Now why cant there be more white south africans that share ur views . - khuzwa' |
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Emigrating
06/10/2008 11:38
Daniel, are you saying that black people who leave SA are racist? People are leaving the country because of crime. Period. Not Racism. Your family might be racist but not all people are racist. If I choose not to mix with other races is my cultural choice and not because of hatred. You are closed minded in your own world. - Mark |
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Racist Reasons?
06/10/2008 11:38
I dont think so. You are entitled to your own opinion. If your perception about people Emigrating, is that it is for racist reasons, I suggest you find yourself some other friends. Most of the people I know (including black)who emigrated did so for economic reasons, with the crime rate, a catalyst.Regarding your misunderstanding about classification on forms - we were promised, during the CODESA negotiations, that never again would we be classified by colour. - Devil's Advocate |
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Emigration racist?
06/10/2008 11:38
Ex South Africans hate Blacks? Rather a huge generalization. Hate is such an emotional word. I am just wondering if you are just stirring the pot of racial tensions for the sake of debate, or is there some ulterior motive to paint all ex SA citizens with the same brush. It is almost impossible to bebate the subject rationally, all the usual racial slurs will be trotted out, sort of dejevu ad nauseum. - Sven Gohre |
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Do you want a Noddy badge now for telling us you aren't a racist? So what you are saying is...
06/10/2008 11:40
in your opinion an ever downward spiralling crime rate,worsening service delivery (eg.public transport),AA policies and over all better recognition overseas for what you know rather then being black has little to do with emigration? I have no desire (nor the financial resources) to emigrate to Swaziland even as I love my country, but I do understand why some are leaving.Good luck to them I say,as long as they don't continue to moan and bitch about SA once they are already over there. - The Truth |
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Um OK
06/10/2008 11:40
Next time your wife/daughter goes out alone, don?t worry about her getting raped in your Utopia - next time you stop your car at a traffic light don?t look round you - you will not get hijacked - Next time you look at your new president - don?t worry he is actually very educated and is not in it for self gain. Next time you want free medicine don?t worry ? there?s beetroot. But I guess its whites committing all the crimes - and if your family actually hate whites and blacks are they racists? Or just culturealists? - David |
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@Kolobe
06/10/2008 11:40
Where are all these people who have emigrated and come back in numbers. Nowhere, because that is not true. People in the UK on 2 year working visa are coming back because they have to, not because they want to.Get your facts straight. - mark |
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@Dries
06/10/2008 11:41
Stop exaggerating man, its annoying!!!
Crime, corruption, 12 % conviction rate on murders and SA rape capitol of the world; All which are encapsulated by the Crime, no need to repeat yourself. MORON! - Hero Nakamura |
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agree... to a certain point... :)
06/10/2008 11:41
I think crime is a definite driving force behind people leaving the country and that cannot be denied.
But I have to agree with you that fundamentally your outlook on life and believe systems will follow you to wherever you go. And just make you complain about the same things somewhere else.
the main thing is that SA can be an Utopia, we (people, government etc) just need to sort out some of the things like crime,aids etc. - zigzaw |
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In addtion
06/10/2008 11:41
You must also remember that in the past it was very difficult the broda's and sistas to travel.Hence the increas in numbers.But I have always been optimistic abt our country minus the "whingers".I also believ that there r are many like-minded peeps who have the same intepretation of jus getting on wit it. Hence I'm proud of you Chief. Africa can only be built by Africans such as us! - Cape Town Kid |
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Obsessed with Race
06/10/2008 11:42
Obsession with race is endemic in SA. For those who voted for a non racial society, the new SA is a great disappointment. Law after law refers to race. The government must accept blame for this. - John |
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World is world
06/10/2008 11:43
Meaning the very same problems you think you running away from ,are waiting for you in doubles, and plus some of them are new, good luck with adjustments. i always asked myself if people are ignorant of USA, HAVING BEEN A Democratic country for so long, but racism, crime and unemployment doubled. you cant run away of the big three. - Winny |
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how does this garbage get published?
06/10/2008 11:43
This article- besides being poorly written and lacking both structure and a vaild point- contains some very dubious "information". The comments about South Africans' attitude towards Muslims, using words like "many" and "most" to describe the number of people who have intolerant attitudes are laughable. Did the author take a census of South African expats- using a reasonable sample in order to reach these conclusions? I think not- more likely this attitude was picked up in a small group of people and is now being passed off here as "fact". Might I suggest that the author start associating himself with more enlightened people, perhaps those that are not the nightly binge drinking bigots that he talks about in ths article - grant |
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food for thought...
06/10/2008 11:44
I'm hoping your letter is done in the spirit of starting a heated debate on a (relatively) newsfree monday. On its own merit its one of the most close minded, blindly accusatory pieces of writing I've read and what's worse, poses as an optimistic one. - exit strategist |
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Idioit Kolobe
06/10/2008 11:44
It is the mentality of people like Kolobe which irks me most. The likes of him would rather see the country destruct under the guidance of his corrupt incompetent coronies, than build a nation which has so much potential. We are not all racists, but to live in such a violent and incompetent environment becomes intolerable. And when we depart we are made to look like racists. Truth is I'm also happy to be rid of the likes of Kolobe, and move to where my skills are appreciated. Packing for Perth... - gavin |
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*******hole
06/10/2008 11:44
My dear boy,
Which planet of monkeys are you from.
I left SA because of purely financial reasons.
And I am living in London and absolutely enjoying the life, the culture,the financial rewards,the safety and the lack of complaining.
Listen carefully to what Saffas say here especially and the lack of moaning is sometimes astounding.
There is near nothing to complain about here unless you are a moaner which fortunately here there are fewer of!.
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So sue them
06/10/2008 11:44
A well balanced article(not) where you forgot to mention affirmative action,neputism and blatant racism and arrogance from blacks.There's still exists a little thing called freedom of association and religion.In England they are not forced to swallow and are not made to like other cultures or religions.Dont forget that white people already have their own culture and religion and you cant force antoher upon them.If you dont like that sue them. - angola badprop |
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Waste of electrons
06/10/2008 11:45
This is perhaps one of the worst examples of someone making poor inferences from their narrow view of the world that I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Just because your mates/family are bunch of ignorant alchoholic racists doesn't mean everyone else is. - Paul |
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Ignorance
06/10/2008 11:45
I am a white South African and currently in the process of migrating to Australia. I would like to point out that I am not leaving because I am Racist, like so many other South African who are leaving. I am leaving due to crime and because I have been Subjected to crime 4 times in the last 4 months. As well as giving my children an better life, where they can ride their bikes outside, have a better education system that does not cost me an arm and a leg, and be able to study what they want!!!!!!N - Bronwen |
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Please stop racism
06/10/2008 11:45
I hate to say this but it seems that the majority of South Africans, black and white, are racists. There are to many idiots with no morals and no work ethics living in this wonderful country of ours. PLEASE STOP RACISM!!! Please also do not make out that people leaving the country are racists. My family and I are leaving the country soon and regard ourselves not as a racists just concerned about our safety (not nice to face a gun in your face). - hc |
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I wonder what the people of the UK (or any other civilised country) would do...
06/10/2008 11:45
if their public transport service went on an illegal strike for three weeks leaving 3 million monthly commuters stranded as is the case in Ethekwini currently,and then proceeded to burn the trains or buses in protest.As I said before,I love my country and all of it's diverse people,but Hell,it is made very difficult to continue with that love sometimes. - The Truth |
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Generalizing
06/10/2008 11:45
Much of your article may be true, however i do belive you making a minority, a majority. I am planning to leave too (God Willing), and yes for a safer place to stay possibly but saying "I believe the racist element in most of them was rather the reason for leaving" & "hatred for black people" is just wrong. Maybe we want to leave cause the oppotunities abroad are better and even though I am coloured. Its not the colour of my skin that determines my success but instead the skills I have. - CC |
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Emigration not racist
06/10/2008 11:45
I have emigrated to start my career. It was virtually impossible for me to get a job at home, so I am in the UK for experience. The fact that I could get shot any day of the week at home also makes life here easier to justify. I miss home every day and plan on going back. If the talk about resolving crime turns to action I will be home tomorrow..... - James |
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Victim of Crime
06/10/2008 11:45
I was a victim of violent crime, and that is my reason for leaving. I miss my family dearly, but the fear is gone. I'm a professional with a very good job, I'm not called a racist around every corner, and believe it or not, the majority of my friends are of a different race to me. - Anon |
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I so agree
06/10/2008 11:45
I cant wait till the day i can write african and not coloured or malay. I'm in the UK at the moment and I cant wait to get back to SA. - Naz |
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Well put...
06/10/2008 11:45
I doubt we will make progress until inflammatory idiots like Julius Malema and such do us all a favor and get lost. People need to realise that we are all in this boat together and for it to keep afloat we need to work together. - Nicole |
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@Dries
06/10/2008 11:46
Stop exaggerating man, its annoying!!!
Crime, corruption, 12 % conviction rate on murders and SA rape capitol of the world; All which are encapsulated by the word 'Crime', no need to repeat yourself. MORON! - Hero Nakamura |
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My prime reason
06/10/2008 11:46
.. for leaving good ole RSA would be a deep sense of shame. Our politicians are shameful, our sports record shamed (think Hansie) our culture shamed by "xenophobia" (just another word for barbaric acts of brutal violence against our brothers and sisters), our "leaders" shamed - think Mr Selebi, Robert McBride, Julius Malema etc.... and our black bretheren bloated by a sense of eternal entitlement ..."until the colour of a man's skin, is of no more significance, than the colour of his eyes" - AJAY |
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@ ghost
06/10/2008 11:46
Please tell me you have gone? Please tell me people like you have left South Africa! You bitter, take a pill. I don't have the money to go, I like it here and I am prepared to make every effort to make this country liveable, I promise you when it is like that I won't have a problem when you come back. - Point Blank |
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The reasons for emigrating
06/10/2008 11:47
It's about quality of life, england is not all london, I moved from cape town to nailsea outside bristol and have never looked back and there is no crime in nailsea, africa is a toilet - andrew kelly |
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simply put
06/10/2008 11:48
Simply put - why should as a white stay in a country which only favors blacks? THAT IS RACISM but I must put up with it? No thanks . . . - J-Man |
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@kolobe
06/10/2008 11:48
"the country is ridding itself of rascists" - I assume the country is puting you on the first flight out then? Why label everyone that wants to leave this country as racists? As far as I know, in the South African constitution there is no limit on where you can and cannot decide to live. Or are you interested in reinstating Apartheid kolobe? When will this us versus them mentality end? We are all human beings, no matter where in the world we live. - ShRoOm |
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We'll said.
06/10/2008 11:48
I think that most people leave because of crime and employment policies.If you can't get a descent job because of your skin colour then crime is an excellent reason to leave.I also think that crime fuels racism.This cycle is what is making South Africans so negative and bitter. - joe |
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Cultural differences
06/10/2008 11:50
Some cultures do no see rape and murder as something 'wrong' or 'bad' and these views are incompatable with more advanced cultures' views, hence the conflict and subsequent emmigration. - Juan |
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leaving?
06/10/2008 11:51
I came to SA from UK in 1992 as I thought with the unbaning of the ANC that SA was going to be a wonderful country. I'm leaving in 2009 because of crime, government ineptitude, corruption, government incompetance, government fraud, BEE, AA and a gradual breakdown of everything from health to education. NOT because of racism. Its astonishing that the likes of Kolobe refuse to see the deterioration of basic services. - paul |
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@ khuzwa'
06/10/2008 11:53
We are here brother, it's just that some people in this country do not want you to know that. We everywhere, the young white generation does not hold racism in their hearts... but we are not allowed to shine or not shown to our black brothers and sisters....our warring political parties need ammunition and I'm afraid racial divide is perfect ammunition... - Richard Hipkin |
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Blah Blah Blah
06/10/2008 11:53
Helloo - London does not equal England. Not everyone in England lives in small cramped spaces. If crime and EE/AA was not an issue in SA 85% so Saffa's would not leave. If I was treated the same way as any other RSA citizen, and had the same opportunities, and did not have to fear for my life going about my day routine - I too would move back to SA. But until then - my kids deserve a better and safer future! THAT my friend, is the bottom line. - Gus |
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@ khuzwa'
06/10/2008 11:53
We are here brother, it's just that some people in this country do not want you to know that. We everywhere, the young white generation does not hold racism in their hearts... but we are not allowed to shine or not shown to our black brothers and sisters....our warring political parties need ammunition and I'm afraid racial divide is perfect ammunition... - Richard Hipkin |
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@khuzwa
06/10/2008 11:54
"Now why cant there be more white south africans that share ur views." - Because unlike him, we can speak with an English accent.. - ShRoOm |
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Good points
06/10/2008 11:54
Remember that racism is systematically fostered by the ANC, by Mbeki and his entourage, by the odious Pahad and many others. BEE, AA, spirraling criem etc. are just some of the many faces of this contagion that has driven out, and still drives out, the best brains from the country. It's one thing to establish a Zimbo scenario--but another to live in it. Ask Tsangvirai and the others who were so keen to implement racist polciies and drive out Whites. SA has got what it deserves. - Benzo |
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Article
06/10/2008 11:55
I am living abroad as well for the past 7 years - not London though. I have to say, my reasons for leaving SA has nothing to do with race or whatever, it was due to the poor employee rights I've experienced. I have to say that everytime I visit London, I try my best not to speak Afrikaans, because most of the Saffers I've dealt with who lives in London, I am to ashamed of being associated with. Please do not classify all South Africans livnig abroad as the same. - Abrie |
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Huh?
06/10/2008 11:56
There is a small glitch, you assume that only white people are racists when blacks, coloureds and indians also can be. To single out whites only is disingenuous.
Ummm who are the "Africans" that Polish people are supposedly compared to? Are they only black people from Africa? I'm white and live in Africa, what am I?
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@ khuzwa - There are lots of us...
06/10/2008 11:57
that long for the day that we can simply be proud of being South African without having to specify what colour we are. At the moment, I am battling to find things to be proud of and as a parent with 2 small children, I am having a constant battle with myself as to why we should stay due to: wait for it... CRIME!!!! and the politicians... - LRob |
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Positives and Negatives
06/10/2008 11:57
I would like to share your enthusiasm regarding our country Daniel, but I think the problem is the competence of government. It seems the only person doing his work is Trevor Manuel. Our economy is the only thing that improved since we became a democracy. Poverty, Crime, AIDS, unemployment and racism have remained roughly at the same levels and I can't see it changing very soon. My friends & family left SA for the pound and work opportunities and not because of racism. I will never leave though. - Skully |
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And now for something completely different ...
06/10/2008 11:58
Actually the only reason Im leaving is because I just want to do something different, see a different part of the world, walk different streets, hear different news, experience change. Our country has its problems, but then so does the rest of the world. Call me a cynic, but racism is everywhere, you will NEVER be able to rid yourself of it. It exists in some form or another on EVERY inhabited continent. It is human nature. - celery |
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@Juan
06/10/2008 11:58
Please back up your ridiculous statement with some facts please. Have you ever considered what happend to the population of this country in the 40 years prior to 94? Ever crossed your mind that what you experience now is the result of that? You are similar to Julias Melema... think before your speak. You are part of the problem, not the solution. - Andy |
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Only reasion I will leave SA
06/10/2008 11:59
Is when ( and its close) the governmunt keeps on ignoring that crime is out of control. SA is not a safe place anymore its no ones fault besides the govermunt. There are many poorer country's than SA with no crime. It seems like the govermunt supports the murdering of its cictizens the way the ignore crime factors - charlie |
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Be careful Daniel
06/10/2008 11:59
You are saying what most white people don't want to hear... - Godfrey |
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@Juan and Dries
06/10/2008 11:59
Well said - thought I was the only one that felt like you said. How do you fill your empty stomack by raping and killing people?? If they get the crime levels down, I'll vote for them. - Jax |
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Racism created by.......
06/10/2008 12:00
I fully agree, I have friends who left for Australia, only then to complain about the high number of Asians there. Parent must teach there children not to be racist. I had parent that did not tolerate us showing any form of disrespect to other races, the use of the K -word was banned in our household. People so easy go into racist attack mode to settle differences. We must learn not to judge the person but the situation and then to work together to prevent those situation from recurring. - Jason |
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@ mark
06/10/2008 12:00
There are people coming back to South Africa. But here's some interesting facts. In 2007 over 40,000 Britons left the UK for other countries. During the same time nearly 200,000 Australians left Australia. In 2007 32,000 South Africans left of which 8,000 have returned. These figures are available for those that actually research fact before claiming it as such. - Homecoming |
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Yip
06/10/2008 12:00
Gr8 article. I have moved to Finland. My reasons though, differ a bit to most other people. I have moved here to start working for a major cellphone company and to learn as much about my work as possible. In SA my chances of getting opportunities to learn was minimal due to BEE.
I have nothing against the BEE policy, since equality need to be reached somehow, but I do NOT agree with the manner in which it is being implemented.
I hope to bring my skills back to SA in a couple of years!!!!! - werner |
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emigrating
06/10/2008 12:01
like all the comments, but i say no matter where you go you will find caus to moan but itsup to you youself not to look at problems but to face them with a true outlook, come on folks face up to life in its true sense arccie ec ct now uk - archie coull |
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Pommies: The table is turning
06/10/2008 12:01
Yes, almost every one wants to leave now, including me. But London??? Believe me, from experience I can tell it is not the answer. It really is just as bad there. Maybe not crime, but the lifestyle there isn't that great. But yes, years ago the Pommies invaded SA and took over in the end, and it seems the tables are turning now. Bit by bit we are invading them and slowly but surely taking over, even there cricket captain is a South African all ready. - Weskus Klong |
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@khuzwa
06/10/2008 12:02
There are many white South Africans that share this view. Thousands have come back and have decided to stay in SA. Also, get involved in a few charities and you'll see how many white faces work tirelessly to make this a better place. check out : http://www.homecomingrevolution.co.za/ - Andy |
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The reasons for emigrating
06/10/2008 12:03
My two sons emigrated to Auckland NZ in 2004 mainly because of crime and not finding employment. They are both cricket coaches and have found good employment. They are not racist, do not trash SA. If you want to leave don't take your baggage with you. In NZ all people are equal from a cleaner to the PM. You have to be well off to have a housekeeper or gardener, so you have to do all things yourself. I will never leave, but to those who want to: Leave your baggage behind - Sonny |
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Racist? I think not.
06/10/2008 12:04
I personally am off to Australia in 3 months,and it has nothing to do with race.
My family,wife and two year old,were badly affected by violent crime.....and thats the ONLY reason.
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"Leaving South Africa will not make you a better person or provide you with a better lifestyle"
06/10/2008 12:04
No, but it may let you live longer without being the victim of rape/theft/corruption, etc. The only reason why I stay is because I believe that once the stupidity of our government has finally imploded upon itself there needs to be non-racist, intelligent and hard-working people around who will pick up the pieces and rebuild. - ShRoOm |
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I disagree
06/10/2008 12:04
Daniel, crime is the biggest reason for people imigrating! And to Moron Hero Nakamura, yes it's all crime just goes to show you how bad it is. Now, please lable me a racist so i also have a reason to imigrate!!!! - Mart |
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I'm Leaving
06/10/2008 12:05
To start with I am no racist. I am proudly South African and proud to have been brought up in this beautiful country. I know every country has their pro's and con's, but does every country have all the con's of South Africa? We have them all, high crime rate, racism, inequality, AIDS...the list is endless. I am in my twenties and feel that in this stage in my life I am tired of living in fear everyday, and being white, I am tired of thinking I can climb up any corporate ladder. Time for a change! - Anon |
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"Leaving South Africa will not make you a better person or provide you with a better lifestyle"
06/10/2008 12:05
No, but it may let you live longer without being the victim of rape/theft/corruption, etc. The only reason why I stay is because I believe that once the stupidity of our government has finally imploded upon itself there needs to be non-racist, intelligent and hard-working people around who will pick up the pieces and rebuild. - ShRoOm< |
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